Devious Devices Framework Development/Beta

[kurotatsu]

1 hour ago, audhol said:

If anyone has anything they would like made for DD I'm happy to consider it. I don't pretend to be the greatest modeler or texturer but I can output something of reasonable quality, if its not something that Kimy wants to assimilate into the DD hive then it could always be released as an addon.

 

 

Well, I wonder if this picture will inspire you...

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93091234

 

Also maybe this too?

Edited October 24, 2022 by notwavman

[Miauzi]

14 minutes ago, notwavman said:

 

Nun, ich frage mich, ob dieses Bild Sie inspirieren wird ...

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93091234

 

Auch das vielleicht auch?

 

yes - as a "piece of furniture" certainly useful

you can then also "keep" a companion safe for a longer period of time

[ChandraArgentis]

4 hours ago, Kimy said:

 

I fixed this for the next release!

  

3 hours ago, Kimy said:

Devious Devices LE 5.2 Beta 9

- Fixed: A flaw in the installer that lets people install Beast Race support for some DD content mods only if these mods are installed, which makes no sense, as the framework is typically installed first...

 

To be clear, it wasn't an issue with Beast Races, it was an issue with Cursed Loot support.  I'm assuming this is a changelog typo?

[Kimy]

6 hours ago, ChandraArgentis said:

  

 

To be clear, it wasn't an issue with Beast Races, it was an issue with Cursed Loot support.  I'm assuming this is a changelog typo?

 

Not a typo. It was an issue with Beast Race support for DCL. DD doesn't otherwise have to support DCL. The same issue also applied to Beast Race support for Captured Dreams and DD Equip. They are all fixed.

[kapibar]

12 hours ago, audhol said:

Some Feedback would be cool please guys.

 

Looks good. I don't have a feeling this set doesn't belong, but nipple piercings are surprisingly subtle. I was expecting something more... in your face. If you are still willing to do some more work on this, I would agree that something more restrictive would be a better match.

[Taki17]

14 hours ago, Kimy said:

- Added: The Rubber Sound system now has a MCM control allowing users to set the frequency the sounds are being played at. It defaults to "Never".

Feedback for the rubber sounds again:

 

I hope the full setup of what we've got in beta 9 is not intended to be the final one.

The frequency setting works as intended and takes little enough effort to set and forget after install. Though the frequency at which the default sounds played was never an issue.

 

However, the sounds included by default are still the new, low quality, violently-crumpling-rubber-cleaning-gloves sounds.

 

Given the feedback and discussions during the past week on the last few pages, I feel that this current state of things satisfies the smallest possible subset of people who voiced their opinion on things. Because judging from the replies and reactions, only TWO people ever expressed interest in having and using the new sounds, and one of them was who contributed them in the first place. As opposed to more than a dozen others who agreed with and supported the "I want to have sounds, revert to the original sounds altogether" or "I'm okay with having options for sounds, but I will sure never set my game to use the new sounds" stances in some shape or form.

 

Which is why I think DD containing the original set of sounds by default, and having the new sound set as and optional add-on would be the most sensible solution still.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Taki17

[audhol]

@Taki17 @Miauzi @kapibar

 

Spoiler

 

[kapibar]

@Kimy I just remembered - DD has a long standing exploit that IMO should be addressed - Skyrim allows you to sell equipped items, this is also true for devices. With merchant perk this is a bottomless pit of money, you just have to wear the most expensive stuff you can find and sell it indefinitely, as DD's cannot really be removed from the inventory when locked. The chances of CTD are rather high when exploiting this, but it is a gamebreaking mechanic. I don't know if it's doable, but probably the best way to address this exploit would be to drop value of equipped devices to 0.

  

10 minutes ago, Taki17 said:

Feedback for the rubber sounds again

Incidentally I had a solution for the rubber sound:

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by kapibar

[audhol]

10 hours ago, notwavman said:

Well, I wonder if this picture will inspire you

Its account locked, any chance you can copy\paste it into a spoiler please?

 

[kurotatsu]

27 minutes ago, audhol said:

Its account locked, any chance you can copy\paste it into a spoiler please?

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by notwavman

[Miauzi]

5 minutes ago, notwavman said:

"Heavy rubber" at its best - perfect as a piece of furniture for setting up and "putting down" companions

but that's less for the DD mod and more for the furniture group like "dse-display-model"

[serranna]

1 hour ago, Taki17 said:

Because judging from the replies and reactions, only TWO people ever expressed interest in having and using the new sounds, and one of them was who contributed them in the first place.

 

I agree with this completely and was just about ready to make a similar post. It literally makes no sense to leave it as is when the vast majority of people giving their opinions are against the new sound.

[audhol]

48 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

My "problem" is probably that I can't do anything with the lettering as such - so nothing triggers for me

It's clear to me what you want to express with that - only you have to zoom in so close in the game itself that you can see it at all

if you are already open-chested - then (in my opinion) the nipple piercings should be significantly larger at the base - i.e. in the direction of pasties (and cover at least 1/3 of the breast)

yes - definitely also with claws that go in the direction of the chest - which look heavy from a purely optical point of view and ultimately only hold on to the nipple

yes - it's supposed to make you "ouch" just by looking at it - but it's a RESTRICTIVE part

I mean - we have expandable bulbs for the mouth, vagina and anus

I understand what you are saying but this set of piercings is designed to be part of the sexdoll catsuit so anything large would be hidden anyway.

The Catsuit is not finished but here is how it fits around the piercings.

 

Spoiler

 

I like your ideas about a larger more restrictive "brest bondage" piercing and maybe its something I can make afterwards?

[audhol]

12 hours ago, notwavman said:

Well, I wonder if this picture will inspire you...

 

52 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

but that's less for the DD mod and more for the furniture group like

The Main issue is I cant make modifications to the base body without using slot 32. I could make a complete outfit that uses 32 as well as the other relevant slots and replaces the stock body with one modified by the pieces of the outfit. This however is incompatible with other DD's for example the corset so it would be more something for a seperate mod or CL where further DD's are blocked.

 

[audhol]

37 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Nun - man könnte ja die Brust des Catsuits um die Nippel herum -> "faken"

Thats exactly the look I'm going for, Her Nipples are hidden behind the shield so she cant touch them but the soulgem becomes a fake nipple outside the catsuit

The same is true for the vaginal piercing, the clit is hidden behind the shield and the soulgem becomes a fake one again outside.

Spoiler

 

[audhol]

15 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

ja - so langsam werde ich richtig warm für diese herrlich perverse Idee

[kapibar]

2 hours ago, audhol said:

Thats exactly the look I'm going for, Her Nipples are hidden behind the shield so she cant touch them but the soulgem becomes a fake nipple outside the catsuit

The same is true for the vaginal piercing, the clit is hidden behind the shield and the soulgem becomes a fake one again outside.

Honestly - this is so cool I'd love to see a quest, or even a gameplay built around this suit.

[kapibar]

@Miauzi Rubber is sadly criminally underused. Given how many wardrobe options mimic latex, there are basically no quests covering the dollification theme. The Facility is fun, but unfinished, Trapped in Rubber is outdated and barely works, while in the Rubber Doll quest from DCL the goal is only to get rid of the suit, not to be trapped in it.

[naaitsab]

7 hours ago, Taki17 said:

Feedback for the rubber sounds again:

 

I hope the full setup of what we've got in beta 9 is not intended to be the final one.

The frequency setting works as intended and takes little enough effort to set and forget after install. Though the frequency at which the default sounds played was never an issue.

 

However, the sounds included by default are still the new, low quality, violently-crumpling-rubber-cleaning-gloves sounds.

 

Given the feedback and discussions during the past week on the last few pages, I feel that this current state of things satisfies the smallest possible subset of people who voiced their opinion on things. Because judging from the replies and reactions, only TWO people ever expressed interest in having and using the new sounds, and one of them was who contributed them in the first place. As opposed to more than a dozen others who agreed with and supported the "I want to have sounds, revert to the original sounds altogether" or "I'm okay with having options for sounds, but I will sure never set my game to use the new sounds" stances in some shape or form.

 

Which is why I think DD containing the original set of sounds by default, and having the new sound set as and optional add-on would be the most sensible solution still.

 

I replaced them for myself because as stated before I find them to be way to obvious and therefore irritating instead of immersive. Attached are the old sounds, which for ease of use can be used as an overwrite mod in MO2 for the time being. 

I believe they are also longer so it will also require some modding of the ESM to get it back to what it was. Haven't compared the newest ESM with the V7 ESM so not sure if that part was reverted yet. If requested I can add a small ESP that changes it back, combined with the sound files will make it the "V7 experience". 

 

If the sounds in the ESM are changed back then perhaps the wrong files where bundled by mistake. As I got the impression that fully reverting the sound changes (files and duration) and add a slider would be the way forward, but could have picked that up wrongly on my side.

 

V7 Sounds.zip

[audhol]

5 hours ago, Miauzi said:

..she is demoted to a "fuck-doll".

The suit in which the wearer is wearing turns her into an "object" that is decoupled from sex.

In addition to the vagina and anus, something similar for the oral cavity is also conceivable.

Thats exactly what I'm trying to make, she is completely exposed and open but at the same time disconected from any feeling, she becomes a living sexdoll

 

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

Honestly - this is so cool I'd love to see a quest, or even a gameplay built around this suit.

Unfortunately I have no knowledge regarding scripts, I do have a forcegreet package that @Scrab made for me (not pinging just crediting) along with a fixed scene that removes player controll and triggers a sexlab animation but I think it might be inadequate for what is required.

[kapibar]

15 minutes ago, audhol said:

Thats exactly what I'm trying to make, she is completely exposed and open but at the same time disconected from any feeling, she becomes a living sexdoll

So basically it'd be like a chastity belt without the chastity part. That's a very nice idea. Have you thought about the mask?

[audhol]

24 minutes ago, kapibar said:

So basically it'd be like a chastity belt without the chastity part. That's a very nice idea. Have you thought about the mask?

Well kinda that yeah, how that would work ingame I dont know. Maybe a debuff to SLSO so that its not possible to orgasm, kinda like the oposite of the sensitivity potion, but then how many people use slso? I set the piercings to edge only, maybe its posible to set them to shock if theres a certain amount of time passed since the last sexlab scene forcing the character to engage? BTW how does the efects linked keyword work? Do I have to set up a link between the 2? Unfortunately the ideas outweigh the skill level.

[audhol]

23 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

There is still 2-3 cm of soft (lining) material between the bell wall and the suit shell - so that the impression of a "real" breast is faked

even if you create a negative pressure, it takes some time for the breasts to swell so much that they touch the wall of the suction cup

The fake breasts are then 2-3 cup sizes larger than the "natural" ones of the woman wearing the suit

In reality, this cannot actually be implemented - without sticking the suction cups firmly to the skin

you only have to lift your arms and the edge of the bell will come off at one point

but in a virtual "reality" you don't have to worry about that

Again this comes back to the point I made about modifying the base body, I could set up a zap slider to morph the brests as if swelled by the suit but then I can just imagine the user complaints about compatibility with other meshes.

 

I had made an outfit on nexus that used a non standard base body with zap sliders for things like stocking pinch at the top of the thighs and just got soo many complaints that I removed it and went back to a standard body.

[Kimy]

5 hours ago, naaitsab said:

 

I replaced them for myself because as stated before I find them to be way to obvious and therefore irritating instead of immersive. Attached are the old sounds, which for ease of use can be used as an overwrite mod in MO2 for the time being. 

I believe they are also longer so it will also require some modding of the ESM to get it back to what it was. Haven't compared the newest ESM with the V7 ESM so not sure if that part was reverted yet. If requested I can add a small ESP that changes it back, combined with the sound files will make it the "V7 experience". 

 

If the sounds in the ESM are changed back then perhaps the wrong files where bundled by mistake. As I got the impression that fully reverting the sound changes (files and duration) and add a slider would be the way forward, but could have picked that up wrongly on my side.

 

V7 Sounds.zip 614.63 kB · 5 downloads

 

I will revert the sounds as well in the next patch. From this point, it's really more or less dropping in the old sound and adjusting three numbers in one script. No changes to the ESM needed.

[DonQuiWho]

When we finally get to Mr & Ms Michelin as having the perfect look, feel and sound, I'm going to petition for the re-opening of the psychiatric rehab services at Bellvue, and send you all to be admitted there ?

 

 

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