Paid mods and Bethesda announcement on the E3

[Yami X]

 

 

 

Well, isn't this just an unnecessary shit show............

 

I guess this is what I get for trying to ignore this garbage. 

 

People outraged about developer wanting to kill free modding is "an unnecessary shit show" ? 

 

Should we just "get over it" just like we "got over" the fact that most games have chunks of it cut out and sold seperately, day one patches to make the game playable and forced multiplayer and 4 hours single player ? 

 

 

How did you take this as me take this as me attacking the people and not Besthesda?

 

The garbage and unnecessary shit show I'm reffering to is obviously Bethesda itself and this whole paid mods scam.

 

 

I dont know, it sounded like a typical fanboy excuse - hurr durr stop getting so worked up over nothing, nothing is happening, all is cool guys, or my name is not Todd O! 

Try making it more clear next time.

 

Unnecessary shit show

 

is not a word i would use to describe what Bethesda is doing - because its not a shitshow, its a calculated and methodical probing the market on the topic of "how much shit can we pull before people will get mad" - typical for shitty developers/publishers. 

 

Doesn't matter.

 

It's a term I would use to describe this garbage.

 

Honestly, this whole industry has been a shit show since the start of the 6th generation of consoles.

 

Apparently, it's not that typical because it seems gamers in general are too daft to get the message that most of these corporations are greed personified and can give less than a shit about you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jazzman]

Aside from helpless shrieking, what shall we do to challenge Beth's new strategy to control the abundant fishing grounds in the Caribbean Mod Sea, hmm?

[peculiaris]

 

So I cant wait for people to start share the ESP's online...

 

because thats totally going to happen.

 

This already happen...

 

And the best part, you just have to put the esl on your data folder... nothing more.

 

But the paid mod are so terrible that i don't think they even deserve the click of the mouse.

 

 

Oh wow... just..  wow.

[myuhinny]

The best strategy would almost always be the go after their pocket book strategy. Meaning if people stop buying their games it will either cause them to stop and figure out why they are loosing money and maybe try to fix it or sink like a turd but turds have a tendency to keep floating back up so you might have to keep plunging and flushing till they are finally gone.

[ralfetas]

I think the best strategy would be just to give the finger to bethesda, when the bethesda.net arrive, a lot of people, myself included, said that this would be happening...

 

To be honest, if they charge money from console users, i would not give a sh** about it, because console users are parasites in modding community, i like the idea of consoles having mods and all, but they are parasites, because they don't create nothing, so nothing against they charge console users, subscription, for mod, whatever, console users are used to micro-transaction thing, they are used to being rape by the industry, but they are messing with the PC community... the same guys who made and fix their games, i think is just not fair.

 

I read pete hines twitter... how can someone still think he is a cool guy??? Every bethesda employee i see is dumb and stupid, good that todd don't have a twitter, or i would see that he is dumb and stupid too.

[Yami X]

Aside from helpless shrieking, what shall we do to challenge Beth's new strategy to control the abundant fishing grounds in the Caribbean Mod Sea, hmm?

 

Heh...

 

Voting with the wallet doesn't work.

Ignoring this doesn't work.

Plus it seems like shills and peeps who lack self-control along with gullible people who drunk the beth kool-aid are apparently in abundance.

 

The options seem bleak. 

 

Lad/Lass

[Derpakiin]

Here's another fuck-up from Bethesda:

 

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[Aria]

I think the whole system of downloading all the mods onto your hdd just shows their interest lies in milking console players since they cant do anything with the files or create the esp's (atleast thats how i understand it, since i dont own a console), then there is the whole limit that prevents the possibility of large mods being made.

 

And i would be fine with it, let them be milked, but you can bet your socks that other game companies will follow, adding microtransactions to single player games...then whats next, monthly subs for SP games?

 

Shadow of War now has MT's too and aparently the reason for them is because they arent making enough money...because preorders, season passes, dlc isnt enough.

Lol not only that, they are even milking a dead dev of theirs, adding him as dlc, absolutely disgusting.

 

This pithole doesnt seem to have a bottom and Bethesda seems to be at the front of it.

[myuhinny]

If they are in front of it then it'll be easier to push them into the pithole and wave bye bye.

[vinfamy]

 

Aside from helpless shrieking, what shall we do to challenge Beth's new strategy to control the abundant fishing grounds in the Caribbean Mod Sea, hmm?

 

Heh...

 

Voting with the wallet doesn't work.

Ignoring this doesn't work.

Plus it seems like shills and peeps who lack self-control along with gullible people who drunk the beth kool-aid are apparently in abundance.

 

The options seem bleak. 

 

Lad/Lass

 

 

They pretty much corner the market in open-world RPG. 

 

When TES6 comes, pretty sure 90% of those saying they would boycott it will eventually buy it. Because what other open world fantasy RPG would they play?

 

Lack of competition is never good for the consumers

[MadMansGun]

Because what other open world fantasy RPG would they play?

 

The Witcher or S.T.A.L.K.E.R

[vinfamy]

 

Because what other open world fantasy RPG would they play?

 

The Witcher or S.T.A.L.K.E.R

 

 

Neither are even RPGs - you literally can only play as one guy, Geralt, in the Witcher. Also, you can't mod them much.

[KoolHndLuke]

 

 

Aside from helpless shrieking, what shall we do to challenge Beth's new strategy to control the abundant fishing grounds in the Caribbean Mod Sea, hmm?

 

Heh...

 

Voting with the wallet doesn't work.

Ignoring this doesn't work.

Plus it seems like shills and peeps who lack self-control along with gullible people who drunk the beth kool-aid are apparently in abundance.

 

The options seem bleak. 

 

Lad/Lass

 

 

They pretty much corner the market in open-world RPG. 

 

When TES6 comes, pretty sure 90% of those saying they would boycott it will eventually buy it. Because what other open world fantasy RPG would they play?

 

Lack of competition is never good for the consumers

 

Here are some- 

 

The physics on that ass at about 9:00 are pretty good. So no need to create a whole new game after all.

[vinfamy]

 

 

 

It's a click bait video ... note the dislike count.

 

And open world RPGs the size of the Bethesda's games won't be something "You Don't Know About"

 

Put it another way, what other open world RPG games can you spend 3000 hours playing over 6 years like Skyrim?

[Kofina]

Skyrim is the only title I've bought from Bethesda, it was my first and it will be my last game from them

[KoolHndLuke]

 

 

 

 

It's a click bait video ... note the dislike count.

 

And open world RPGs the size of the Bethesda's games won't be something "You Don't Know About"

 

Put it another way, what other open world RPG games can you spend 3000 hours playing over 6 years like Skyrim?

 

No one would still be playing Sky without a fuck-ton of mods for it. Other games like these that are completely open sourced could be modded the fuck out of as well.

[Jazzman]

 

 

Aside from helpless shrieking, what shall we do to challenge Beth's new strategy to control the abundant fishing grounds in the Caribbean Mod Sea, hmm?

 

Heh...

 

Voting with the wallet doesn't work.

Ignoring this doesn't work.

Plus it seems like shills and peeps who lack self-control along with gullible people who drunk the beth kool-aid are apparently in abundance.

 

The options seem bleak. 

 

Lad/Lass

 

 

They pretty much corner the market in open-world RPG. 

 

When TES6 comes, pretty sure 90% of those saying they would boycott it will eventually buy it. Because what other open world fantasy RPG would they play?

 

 

Lack of competition is never good for the consumers

 

Awww... it's not a War on RPGs. Boycotting moddable (read fixable, customizable) games is like voluntarily asking for an arrow in the own knee. This here ain't Bioware. It is a war on the horizon tho', a twofold one, internally and externally. Internally we have to handle foolish collaborators of a Piet Piper of Bethesda Ruins and externally everything will boil down to a War of the Tools, free tools. I have little doubt that they'll try to cut us off from the CK, GECK or whatever the actual term might be next time 'cause it is the only tool they own and most likely the only one they use for vanilla, surprised? That, however, is the critical moment when everybody might have to show the own colors, the individual player, the modders as well as the modding and mod hosting sites that largely depend on a steady mod distribution, the free exchange of ideas, their life blood.

 

We'll see. That war is neither lost nor won yet. No need to cry "we're all gonna die!"... in advance, ey.

[vinfamy]

 

 

No one would still be playing Sky without a fuck-ton of mods for it. Other games like these that are completely open sourced could be modded the fuck out of as well.

 

 

No-one is making open-source open-world RPG games though - open source just isn't something that mainstream game developers do - why would they ? That's just inviting competition upon themselves - they'd rather just enjoy their sweet profit from cornering the market. Bethesda doesn't even want to make a SKSE for us, let alone release their source. Indie game developers occasionally go open source, but they don't have the manpower to make something as big as Fallout 4 or Skyrim.

[KoolHndLuke]

Well if someone actually starts dev on an game here- I want to help. I don't know shit compared to most- but I am learning. How many do you think would need to jump on board with more than empty promises? To bad the teams behind Beyond Cyrodiil or Cascadia didn't decide to just make a new game.

[vinfamy]

Skyrim was made by 50 people working full-time over 5 years ...

 

We don't have that many people. No-one will work full-time. And I doubt people would be patient enough to wait 5 years without anything to play. Therefore, going head first into making an open world would be madness.

 

The only hope such a community game would have is if we start with something small from which a demo can be released, then expand on it. 

[KoolHndLuke]

Skyrim was made by 50 people working full-time over 5 years ...

 

We don't have that many people. No-one will work full-time. And I doubt people would be patient enough to wait 5 years without anything to play. Therefore, going head first into making an open world would be madness.

 

The only hope such a community game would have is if we start with something small from which a demo can be released, then expand on it. 

I was just thinking the same thing. A small but well made concept game to get people to develop and add to it. Maybe throw in an element of time travel to suit different play styles and tastes. Open world would have to be shelved. Maybe a super sexy Twilight Zone? Personally I wouldn't care about making detailed models and such. You could put a stick figure in an empty room to start for all I care so long as there is plenty of engine to handle whatever ppl want to do with it.

[27X]

If true.........

 

 

If true?

 

It is true.

 

The contractors making the mods miniDLC are paid standard contracting scale.

 

Nothing secret or SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! about it.

 

Also, the 4096 string info is true but absolutely misleading. Bethesda can also release an .ESM with way more content anytime they want.

[Guest kimbale]

 

Skyrim was made by 50 people working full-time over 5 years ...

 

We don't have that many people. No-one will work full-time. And I doubt people would be patient enough to wait 5 years without anything to play. Therefore, going head first into making an open world would be madness.

 

The only hope such a community game would have is if we start with something small from which a demo can be released, then expand on it. 

I was just thinking the same thing. A small but well made concept game to get people to develop and add to it. Maybe throw in an element of time travel to suit different play styles and tastes. Open world would have to be shelved. Maybe a super sexy Twilight Zone? Personally I wouldn't care about making detailed models and such. You could put a stick figure in an empty room to start for all I care so long as there is plenty of engine to handle whatever ppl want to do with it.

 

 

Gimme a body to use. I'll rig it to the UE4 standard skeleton.

[27X]

Skyrim was made by 50 people working full-time over 5 years ...

 

We don't have that many people. No-one will work full-time. And I doubt people would be patient enough to wait 5 years without anything to play. Therefore, going head first into making an open world would be madness.

 

The only hope such a community game would have is if we start with something small from which a demo can be released, then expand on it. 

 

*90

[Jazzman]

Keep in mind that ever since Oblivion a Bethesda RPG is just an empty vessel for those who know how to fill it with meaningful content, those with a strong vision, the inspired, a talent Bethesda has lost already at an early stage somewhere in the Northern Ashlands of Vvardenfell, swapped for sheer profit.

Dead men tell no (good) tale, and we, we better shouldn't betray our old compass, the one that points to that which we want most. We might find it fatal, if you get my meaning.