Paid mods and Bethesda announcement on the E3

[27X]

 

 

Let me remind you Hines is the same dishonest asshole who claimed that modders and players actually owe Bethesda revenue from mods because they provided the base game, ignoring the fact that we already paid for the game and it's dlcs.

 

 

Good god, what? When? Those idiots should be on their hands and knees thanking the modders who keep their games fresh for years beyond the shelf life of other games. Very few people would still be playing Oblivion, Skyrim or older Fallout games without the mods that fill in the empty space they leave in their games. I've personally bought every game of theirs back to Morrowind in the last few years.

 

Not to mention the fact that many of the mods we make for their games seem to end up in the next edition. Fallout New Vegas was just a heavily modded Fallout 3. Fallout 4 has quite a few features that began life as FO3/FNV/Skyrim mods. You're welcome for the free development work, Beth, though some credit to the modders who developed your new features for you would have been nice.

 

Anyway, can we stop turning this into an Elianora hate thread? She's a giant fangirl who crushes on Bethesda a little more than might be healthy, but otherwise she's a very nice person and doesn't deserve the abuse she's getting here.

 

 

She is not even kind of a nice person.

 

Her opinion is just that, an opinion; no stronger nor more weighty than anyone else's, yet she feels compelled to grade work she's not even capable of doing herself in absolutes as a final authority on the subject, when she is plainly nothing of the kind. She has also attempted to claim others work as her own in the past simply for her own aggrandizement, and none of that has anything to do with her personal life or some private subject no one has a right to judge or critique. (Remember doge mod? Pepperidge farm remembers doge mod) She has a rather public history of slinging arrows and then retreating behind admins and fans when called out for her behavior.

 

Of greater context is she appointed herself head cheerleader for the CC, so any ill will garnered from that is entirely of her own volition.

 

I can go to two other sites right now, one public and one private and hear argumentation from actual CC contractors and in rather wisely and sage disposition, said contractors have elected to keep things non-polarized and keep their opinions and beliefs as personal outlooks on the situation and have made no attempt to cast broad nets of subjective view masqueraded as objective fact, which is not even KIND of the case for the person in question.

[leddis3]

 

 

Let me remind you Hines is the same dishonest asshole who claimed that modders and players actually owe Bethesda revenue from mods because they provided the base game, ignoring the fact that we already paid for the game and it's dlcs.

 

 

Good god, what? When? Those idiots should be on their hands and knees thanking the modders who keep their games fresh for years beyond the shelf life of other games. Very few people would still be playing Oblivion, Skyrim or older Fallout games without the mods that fill in the empty space they leave in their games. I've personally bought every game of theirs back to Morrowind in the last few years.

 

Not to mention the fact that many of the mods we make for their games seem to end up in the next edition. Fallout New Vegas was just a heavily modded Fallout 3. Fallout 4 has quite a few features that began life as FO3/FNV/Skyrim mods. You're welcome for the free development work, Beth, though some credit to the modders who developed your new features for you would have been nice.

 

Anyway, can we stop turning this into an Elianora hate thread? She's a giant fangirl who crushes on Bethesda a little more than might be healthy, but otherwise she's a very nice person and doesn't deserve the abuse she's getting here.

 

 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bethesda-talks-skyrims-paid-mods-controversy/1100-6428952/

 

Hines told us that, if the paid mod system does return, Bethesda would still expect to get a cut of the revenue-- even if the percentage might change.

 

"Our belief is, 'We made the game, we made the game you're making a thing for.' So just like anything else, there is some kind of involvement that we're going to have in that," he said.

[leddis3]

Regarding moding different games, FF XV is coming next year to pc and aparently it will have modding support.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/08/22/final-fantasy-xv-pc-mod-support/

 

At first the director of the game had no problems with nude/sex mods being made for it but recently he changed his mind for no reason, saying if there are too many adult mods it might affect the future of the game...the fk.

Went full retard there, hopefully he will come back to his senses before the game comes to pc, as this is just ridiculous.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/05/square-enix-could-stop-final-fantasy-modding-if-there-are-too-many-adult-mods

 

Same issue as Witcher 3 though, set characters. Which means it will get marginal support at best. It certainly won't be a replacement for Skyrim or Fallout 4 for the mainstream or for an LL type community. In case it's gone unnoticed, a significant part of the community likes playing as women, and the male players enjoy making their own charactesr too*

 

*Yes I know it will have a character creator, but that's for their online mode and I sincerely doubt tampering on that will be allowed on any level, much like GTA Online.

[misslexi9162]

Bethesda saw it's last thin dime from me with Oldrim. This is starting to smell worse than Bioware/EA to me and they saw the last thin dime from me after Inquisition. I haven't even DL'd my "free" SE yet....and as that's the new portal for forced updating....I won't be adding it to my drive. At this point, I don't trust them. At all. They've lost me as a customer. I'm sure they don't care a bit about that.....but if more of their income base falls away.....they may start to.

[ralfetas]

 

 

 

Let me remind you Hines is the same dishonest asshole who claimed that modders and players actually owe Bethesda revenue from mods because they provided the base game, ignoring the fact that we already paid for the game and it's dlcs.

 

 

Good god, what? When? Those idiots should be on their hands and knees thanking the modders who keep their games fresh for years beyond the shelf life of other games. Very few people would still be playing Oblivion, Skyrim or older Fallout games without the mods that fill in the empty space they leave in their games. I've personally bought every game of theirs back to Morrowind in the last few years.

 

Not to mention the fact that many of the mods we make for their games seem to end up in the next edition. Fallout New Vegas was just a heavily modded Fallout 3. Fallout 4 has quite a few features that began life as FO3/FNV/Skyrim mods. You're welcome for the free development work, Beth, though some credit to the modders who developed your new features for you would have been nice.

 

Anyway, can we stop turning this into an Elianora hate thread? She's a giant fangirl who crushes on Bethesda a little more than might be healthy, but otherwise she's a very nice person and doesn't deserve the abuse she's getting here.

 

 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bethesda-talks-skyrims-paid-mods-controversy/1100-6428952/

 

Hines told us that, if the paid mod system does return, Bethesda would still expect to get a cut of the revenue-- even if the percentage might change.

 

"Our belief is, 'We made the game, we made the game you're making a thing for.' So just like anything else, there is some kind of involvement that we're going to have in that," he said.

 

 

So... i have a volkswagen, if i go to the shop to install a new gps, the guys in the shop should pay volkswagen, because they are making something for a thing volkswagen made... Sure, that's the way the world works.

 

I would pay just to know if these scumbag really believe on all that BS they say.

[Tripleekz]

I wonder why everything on the creationclub site (no much at the moment) looks better then anything they put into the game up until release. and everything they have on there was their idea to begin with, Like Hellfire PA etc. etc. They've become extremely petty of late. But at least no one has to buy their stuff atm it is nothing more then  an additional menu option and in-game ads which there has already been a mod made to disable the in-game ads.

And I find this funny AF, their selling CreationClub on Steam for $7.99 roflmfao.

[Aria]

 

Regarding moding different games, FF XV is coming next year to pc and aparently it will have modding support.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/08/22/final-fantasy-xv-pc-mod-support/

 

At first the director of the game had no problems with nude/sex mods being made for it but recently he changed his mind for no reason, saying if there are too many adult mods it might affect the future of the game...the fk.

Went full retard there, hopefully he will come back to his senses before the game comes to pc, as this is just ridiculous.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/05/square-enix-could-stop-final-fantasy-modding-if-there-are-too-many-adult-mods

 

Same issue as Witcher 3 though, set characters. Which means it will get marginal support at best. It certainly won't be a replacement for Skyrim or Fallout 4 for the mainstream or for an LL type community. In case it's gone unnoticed, a significant part of the community likes playing as women, and the male players enjoy making their own charactesr too*

 

*Yes I know it will have a character creator, but that's for their online mode and I sincerely doubt tampering on that will be allowed on any level, much like GTA Online.

 

True, but it might be possible to swap the models for female like in witcher3 or there might be some free roam or modding mode added...though that wont probably happen.

Im really just hoping for CDPR to take more interest in supporting modding after Cyberpunk2077.

[KoolHndLuke]

 

 

Regarding moding different games, FF XV is coming next year to pc and aparently it will have modding support.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/08/22/final-fantasy-xv-pc-mod-support/

 

At first the director of the game had no problems with nude/sex mods being made for it but recently he changed his mind for no reason, saying if there are too many adult mods it might affect the future of the game...the fk.

Went full retard there, hopefully he will come back to his senses before the game comes to pc, as this is just ridiculous.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/05/square-enix-could-stop-final-fantasy-modding-if-there-are-too-many-adult-mods

 

Same issue as Witcher 3 though, set characters. Which means it will get marginal support at best. It certainly won't be a replacement for Skyrim or Fallout 4 for the mainstream or for an LL type community. In case it's gone unnoticed, a significant part of the community likes playing as women, and the male players enjoy making their own charactesr too*

 

*Yes I know it will have a character creator, but that's for their online mode and I sincerely doubt tampering on that will be allowed on any level, much like GTA Online.

 

True, but it might be possible to swap the models for female like in witcher3 or there might be some free roam or modding mode added...though that wont probably happen.

Im really just hoping for CDPR to take more interest in supporting modding after Cyberpunk2077.

 

Cyberpunk2077 isn't set for release until 2019. That's a long time to wait. Hopefully something will pop up before then. When should we send the divorce papers to Beth?

[Wandering Starspawn]

After having the main focus of modding be high fantasy and post-apocalyptic settings for decades, cyberpunk would be amazing to work with (my favorite genre!)

[ToJKa]

Meh, wait and see. No reason to etch anything in stone yet.  Maybe they see the error of their ways and make something like Morrowing without workshop dlc and totally-not-paid-mods- because-we-said-so. IT COULD HAPPEN!!

 

Well, whatever. i'm enjoying a proper, old-fashioned expansion with War of the Chosen, and Divinity Original Sin 2 is released a week from now

Hope they tweaked the armor system, i'd hate for that game to Andromeda. Or worse, Creation Club

[leddis3]

After having the main focus of modding be high fantasy and post-apocalyptic settings for decades, cyberpunk would be amazing to work with (my favorite genre!)

 

I'd prefer steampunk, but hey if CP2077 is the one that blows Bethesda out of the water then I won't complain xD

[Poet Olette]

Guys its pretty simple to understand the new direction of Bethesda.

 

Its too expensive for them to crank out good RPGs anymore, they need to get in on the microtransaction action. They are a business afterall.

They count on mods to finish their half-assed productions and they develop their games with little regard to modders have to deal with.

 

They are not the old Bethesda anymore. This is a new system, as we go forward further and further the modding capabilities will be more and more reduced.

Each update breaks things and makes things harder and discouraging. The creation club is farce but it shows what they want to do.

Did they not remove Oldrim from steam to sell their garbage Special Edition? The edition that can even run SKSE and as result most of the big mods?

What was the logic in that decision? Think about it.

Whats more just compare the pricing of games like Witcher 3 to Fallout 4? Who is over pricing their game? Which one is delivering more content for your buck? That tells you about the company you are dealing with no matter how much you love their game.

 

 

The only future Loverslab and modding communities have is using one of the free engines like Unity or Unreal to create game that all modders could pitchin and build it as we go. We certainly have enough talent on this site to make that happen.

Counting on Bethesda will get us no where.

 

Good RPG's?

 

Where?

 

Each game they send out, gets more and more worse in my opinion like they don't even know how to do proper RPG's anymore. They've let the AAA norm get to them.

[leddis3]

 

It gets better! 

[Jazzman]

Why are you young men so eager to give way to Bethesda w/o a good fight, huh? I really miss the old days mommy told me of when men still had some spine, balls larger than marbles and didn't always scream 'Run! Run away! Really... this is embarrassing. I for one like guys with at least some battle scars, no matter if they have won their fight or not. You will never accomplish anything in this world without courage...

[prinyo]

Why are you young men so eager to give way to Bethesda w/o a good fight, huh? I really miss the old days mommy told me of when men still had some spine, balls larger than marbles and didn't always scream 'Run! Run away! Really... this is embarrassing. I for one like guys with at least some battle scars, no matter if they have won their fight or not. You will never accomplish anything in this world without courage...

 

 

Does this count? Or this? Or this? Or this? Or this?

 

I don't think many people realize how bad the situation is. There is a very small chance that Bethesda will fix everything or even anything.

 

We are in a situation where people who have no idea what load order is and why is it important are starting to publish payed mods. Even worse - they have full control over the code and no idea how the ecosystem of mods works. And they will use/abuse that power in order to hardcode in the main game everything they need for some mod to work oblivious to the consequences for other parts of the mod's ecosystem. 

The game will never "settle down", there will be some kind of drama every month or so, because the way they implement their mods will have consequences across the board.

 

This is part of one of my posts I linked above:

 

Yes, the problem with the constantly updating the exe is because of a coding style - the names of the custom files are hardcoded into the main file. This probably comes down to the programmer who implemented it. The "propper" way to do this is to put the list in an external file (encrypted if need be) and write a small routine in the exe to read it - similarly to the way the game handles plugins.txt.

The other problem - the broken load orders is also similar. They didn't know how to inject the bunch of CC plugins and decided on what it seemed to them the most obvious solution - alphabetically. They have never made mods before and don't have a feeling about how mods work and what are the rules they need to follow. This is also visible in the way they implemented the changes to the core game needed for some of the CC mods.

I don't think this will change and I do think they will do whatever they want in the code in the future, no matter how much Pete Hines tweets about Bethesda's support for the modding community. If indeed Beth cares about it - they should point their programmers to some basic tutorials about modding so they can start following the programming rules of the new field they are entering.

[Wandering Starspawn]

Prediction: TES6 is going to be Minecraft with killmoves and an integrated cash shop for paid mods. Always online of course.

 

Modding outside the infrastructure will be possible in only the barest of sense and there will be no room for a community to take root.

 

This is the perfect time for another company to step in and overthrow Bethesda's open-world-singleplayer-mod-platform dominance except nobody will even bother. Because in the end they're all driven by the same obsession that infects Bethesda and don't consider "community" and "goodwill" to be worth anything to their shareholders. However they will be watching Bethesda closely to see how their continued experiments in mod monetization pan out. They want paid mods to become the new app store paradigm.

[ralfetas]

Paid mods 1.0 was canceled by valve, 1 hours before bethesda was defending the system on their blog.

 

Pete Hines is defending the paid mods 2.0 system all over the board, sometimes they say is not mod, others is not dlc, they don't even have the balls to call it micro-transaction, they don't care about the community, there is not a single video/blog/comment that defend this crap and he have the courage to say that bethesda create all this ideas before anyone so is their original content, seeing all this sh** show, anyone still believe they will cancel this?

 

The only way they cancel this, is to not buy this, and console player will buy this... in special ps4 users, that don't have nothing, CC is the only content they can get, if the ps4 users are still playing FO4... They are getting money, and the amount of earnings will say if is worth the hate of the community or not.

[Misaelsith]

Use this thread to discuss the topic.

 

All previous topics on this subject are merged here.

Mod violation for sims 4

[KoolHndLuke]

Why are you young men so eager to give way to Bethesda w/o a good fight, huh? I really miss the old days mommy told me of when men still had some spine, balls larger than marbles and didn't always scream 'Run! Run away! Really... this is embarrassing. I for one like guys with at least some battle scars, no matter if they have won their fight or not. You will never accomplish anything in this world without courage...

And do what that isn't already being done? Threaten them physically? Hire a team of fuckin lawyers? No. The only thing we have to fight with is our voices- and that is already being done LOUDLY!! And why the shot at men? Are women suddenly meek, silent little homemakers again?

[vinfamy]

The contributors' discussion on making our own game to replace Bethesda's games as the main adult modding platform now has 133 replies (all massive walls of text too) so I'll say it's entirely possible that development on this will go head.

[27X]

This is a bit bigger than "group of guys make a sandbox sexy times game", this is a direct turn by a company that essentially owns two genre turning full retard in regards to lifetime microtransactions as a near-perpetual revenue stream.

[Jazzman]

 

Why are you young men so eager to give way to Bethesda w/o a good fight, huh? I really miss the old days mommy told me of when men still had some spine, balls larger than marbles and didn't always scream 'Run! Run away! Really... this is embarrassing. I for one like guys with at least some battle scars, no matter if they have won their fight or not. You will never accomplish anything in this world without courage...

And do what that isn't already being done? Threaten them physically? Hire a team of fuckin lawyers? No. The only thing we have to fight with is our voices- and that is already being done LOUDLY!! And why the shot at men? Are women suddenly meek, silent little homemakers again?

 

Nothing is done to defend our position, the status quo in modding that results from the hard and free work of three gamer generations starting in 2002. Nothing! This ain't perhaps a physical clash, don't get confused by my metaphors. And we don't have to hire anybody to strengthen our position. All we have to do is to separate those who seek a future for themselves in collaborating with Beth from ourselves, cut them off from the mod development, their roots, wish them good luck and hasta la vista. Is that really so difficult to understand? We must remove our sole weak spot from the equation or Beth replays the Indian Wars with us. And we all know the fuckin' end of that highway, don't we?

 

A challenging voice makes sense only when the other has open ears to hear, friend. They don't hear us, they just hear the demands of their shareholders, that's all.

 

My call was directed to men not just b/c I like men (bi do dat) but because the vast majority of our players are men, as is the majority of player chars female. Please don't expect the female minority to do the bleeding whilst you guys are happily making the sandwiches in a safe distance...

 

A word on Beth's already mentioned lack of knowledge of modding which includes fixing and optimizing.

That's what Rhedd told us when he shared his low-poly heads for Morrowind with us like Saint Martin allegedly had shared his coat with the beggar sitting naked in the fuckin' cold, opening the gates of modding for us... w/o asking for micro transactions first. Maybe we didn't understand what Rhedd actually had meant with that knowledge thing back then, at least I didn't. Today we do understand, don't we? They haven't learnt anything new in the past fifteen years. We should use it to our advantage in the confrontation, and it is a confrontation 'cause the coms are at stake, our entertainment, everything.

[KoolHndLuke]

 

 

Why are you young men so eager to give way to Bethesda w/o a good fight, huh? I really miss the old days mommy told me of when men still had some spine, balls larger than marbles and didn't always scream 'Run! Run away! Really... this is embarrassing. I for one like guys with at least some battle scars, no matter if they have won their fight or not. You will never accomplish anything in this world without courage...

And do what that isn't already being done? Threaten them physically? Hire a team of fuckin lawyers? No. The only thing we have to fight with is our voices- and that is already being done LOUDLY!! And why the shot at men? Are women suddenly meek, silent little homemakers again?

 

Nothing is done to defend our position, the status quo in modding that results from the hard and free work of three gamer generations starting in 2002. Nothing! This ain't perhaps a physical clash, don't get confused by my metaphors. And we don't have to hire anybody to strengthen our position. All we have to do is to separate those who seek a future for themselves in collaborating with Beth from ourselves, cut them off from the mod development, their roots, wish them good luck and hasta la vista. Is that really so difficult to understand? We must remove our sole weak spot from the equation or Beth replays the Indian Wars with us. And we all know the fuckin' end of that highway, don't we?

 

A challenging voice makes sense only when the other has open ears to hear, friend. They don't hear us, they just hear the demands of their shareholders, that's all.

 

My call was directed to men not just b/c I like men (bi do dat) but because the vast majority of our players are men, as is the majority of player chars female. Please don't expect the female minority to do the bleeding whilst you guys are happily making the sandwiches in a safe distance...

 

A word on Beth's already mentioned lack of knowledge of modding which includes fixing and optimizing.

That's what Rhedd told us when he shared his low-poly heads for Morrowind with us like Saint Martin allegedly had shared his coat with the beggar sitting naked in the fuckin' cold, opening the gates of modding for us... w/o asking for micro transactions first. Maybe we didn't understand what Rhedd actually had meant with that knowledge thing back then, at least I didn't. Today we do understand, don't we? They haven't learnt anything new in the past fifteen years. We should use it to our advantage in the confrontation, and it is a confrontation 'cause the coms are at stake, our entertainment, everything.

 

Look. Beth is already a sinking ship. And apparently all they know how to do is make it sink faster! Their greed will be their downfall. Elder Scrolls VI? It will be nothing like the games they used to make. They will churn out something worse than they did with FO4. They have sold their soul to make an extra pittance off the very people that have supported them all these years. Bioware is dead and buried. Beth is dying and we just don't want to admit it. If they were in their prime still setting the bar for games like yesteryear then things would be different. But the mantle of excellence has been passed on to CDPR for now. Only time will tell who might climb up to join them. Also, free mods aren't going ANYWHERE!

[lord1122]

 

 

Why are you young men so eager to give way to Bethesda w/o a good fight, huh? I really miss the old days mommy told me of when men still had some spine, balls larger than marbles and didn't always scream 'Run! Run away! Really... this is embarrassing. I for one like guys with at least some battle scars, no matter if they have won their fight or not. You will never accomplish anything in this world without courage...

And do what that isn't already being done? Threaten them physically? Hire a team of fuckin lawyers? No. The only thing we have to fight with is our voices- and that is already being done LOUDLY!! And why the shot at men? Are women suddenly meek, silent little homemakers again?

 

Nothing is done to defend our position, the status quo in modding that results from the hard and free work of three gamer generations starting in 2002. Nothing! This ain't perhaps a physical clash, don't get confused by my metaphors. And we don't have to hire anybody to strengthen our position. All we have to do is to separate those who seek a future for themselves in collaborating with Beth from ourselves, cut them off from the mod development, their roots, wish them good luck and hasta la vista. Is that really so difficult to understand? We must remove our sole weak spot from the equation or Beth replays the Indian Wars with us. And we all know the fuckin' end of that highway, don't we?

 

A challenging voice makes sense only when the other has open ears to hear, friend. They don't hear us, they just hear the demands of their shareholders, that's all.

 

My call was directed to men not just b/c I like men (bi do dat) but because the vast majority of our players are men, as is the majority of player chars female. Please don't expect the female minority to do the bleeding whilst you guys are happily making the sandwiches in a safe distance...

 

A word on Beth's already mentioned lack of knowledge of modding which includes fixing and optimizing.

That's what Rhedd told us when he shared his low-poly heads for Morrowind with us like Saint Martin allegedly had shared his coat with the beggar sitting naked in the fuckin' cold, opening the gates of modding for us... w/o asking for micro transactions first. Maybe we didn't understand what Rhedd actually had meant with that knowledge thing back then, at least I didn't. Today we do understand, don't we? They haven't learnt anything new in the past fifteen years. We should use it to our advantage in the confrontation, and it is a confrontation 'cause the coms are at stake, our entertainment, everything.

 

 

Umm, why not do something yourself? Or at least suggest something that would work in your opinion. Stop yelling at everyone else to fix things, when you could help with it yourself

[arpaschad]

Yet until some indie company with magical amounts of money and other resources makes a game that will blow Beth's monopoly in the open world gaming market we will have to make do with TESV, FO4 and maybe TE6 et al. 

 

As I am seeing it right now, CC is just something that Beth made just so the filthy console players (just kidding...I own a console too...a gameboy...lmao) can experience the wonderful, magical world of modding... a privilege PC gamers have since I started playing Command and Conquer way back in '95-96...or maybe way back...

 

Something Beth is trying to besmirch with said "not-paid-mods"