Paid mods and Bethesda announcement on the E3

[ralfetas]

CC thing will never go out, is here to stay... People talk about how EA, Ubisoft do business, and they still there, doing what they know best, getting every penny from the players, why would bethesda give up CC??? Really, there is any reason??? We can argue about this as much as we can, but this will continue, just because they are getting money from this, when paid mod 1.0 arrive for the first time was a different situation, they could not control it, people was messing with the system and the damage would be to big to control in some point, now they just got some bad reviews on steam and nothing more, i bet ps4 player are paying for all this crap.

 

The only thing i see a huge problem, is that they are putting all the files on our hd's, and each update on the store needs a update on the game, how this will end? A 200gb game in version 50.0???

[Jazzman]

.... why would bethesda give up CC??? Really, there is any reason???

 

Apparently you weren't there when the Judases backed by Warez sites got hanged for treason in 2003-2004 on the Nexus. The purge within the com that gives a fuck on who you are and what glorious mods you might have produced, that cuts Beth off from what she needs most for the deal - willing fools - that is what she fears most. At this stage her strategy is 'divide & conquer', an often successful strategy that isn't that new.

 

Of course, don't let the door hit the willing on their way out, but we should at least make clear that this is a one-way trip for them, whatever fortune they might seek beyond the horizon...

[Frozium]

 

 

 

 

So I cant wait for people to start share the ESP's online...

 

because thats totally going to happen.

This already happen...

 

And the best part, you just have to put the esl on your data folder... nothing more.

 

But the paid mod are so terrible that i don't think they even deserve the click of the mouse.

Thanks for saying it like it is and you're right. Those mods are utter shit. People are so afraid to criticize and call out mod authors for the risk of offending them.

 

But when money is involved we become the consumer and therefore reserve the right to criticize both developer and publisher for the crap they just rolled out.

 

Can't wait to see what Elianora's stuff looks like that's rumored to be $15. Nothing of hers currently is worth $15. It really irks me when mod reviewers say shit like "B-b-but Elianora said the CC will improve and that's it's a good system!" People are riding her female dick too hard

This might be sort of an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one who thinks Eli's stuff is awfully overrated?

I don't mean to disrespect her (maybe a little) but I will admit she does have extensive knowledge of the creation kit but......that's it. So essentially, the mod she's working on (based on sneak peaks) is just a house mod that already uses assets from the game and rumored to cost 1500 credits. I mean when Bethesda chooses her over other more skilled modders with experience in 3ds max, blender, scripting, maya, what have you then you know something is wrong.

 

Her popularity stems from several things: she's female, interacts with fans, makes a bunch of house stuff since Skyrim, and of course mod reviewers like Juicehead and MxR who revere her as a modding God. Couple that with her whiny attitude whenever people complain about her mods (I understand the frustration but I just ignore haters and don't bitch) and how self-entitled she feels on sites like Reddit I guess some people may see her as overrated.

 

In a nutshell, she's the spoiled kid of the class, right?

[cleavagesweat]

any instructions yet on how to prevent bishesda from putting these files on our hd?

[Canaris]

any instructions yet on how to prevent bishesda from putting these files on our hd?

 

Other than having pirate copy of Skyrim/F4 ?

I dont think so :/ 

 

This might be sort of an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one who thinks Eli's stuff is awfully overrated?

I use her Pride Flags for Fallout 4 and they are very nice. 

That house near V88 was also cool but i dislike mods that add homes full of shit, i prefer to build stuff on my own. 

What else she got ? 

 

EDIT : i actually checked - looks nice but its mostly some graphical shit, nothing on the level of Ordinator, Frostfall or Hunterborn. 

[vinfamy]

any instructions yet on how to prevent bishesda from putting these files on our hd?

 

Don't let Steam auto-update? Just set auto-update to on Launch only and run the game only via F4SE

 

Also pretty sure you can just delete the CC BA2 in your Data folder afterwards if you updated.

[ralfetas]

 

.... why would bethesda give up CC??? Really, there is any reason???

 

Apparently you weren't there when the Judases backed by Warez sites got hanged for treason in 2003-2004 on the Nexus. The purge within the com that gives a fuck on who you are and what glorious mods you might have produced, that cuts Beth off from what she needs most for the deal - willing fools - that is what she fears most. At this stage her strategy is 'divide & conquer', an often successful strategy that isn't that new.

 

Of course, don't let the door hit the willing on their way out, but we should at least make clear that this is a one-way trip for them, whatever fortune they might seek beyond the horizon...

 

 

Indeed i wasn't there, i start in modding in 2012 with skyrim, and i am not a huge gamer, i still have games in my steam that i don't even play yet...

 

The problem i see now, we have some crap business tactics from almost all companies, i don't know anyone who love EA, and still EA makes a lot of money with their games, love and respect will not give bethesda money, console players will pay 5 dollars for a stupid gun with a smile on their face, because they are used to this.

 

I don't think PC gamers will pay anything for this, we have lots of content and is much more easy to pirate CC them buying it, example... you go to steam, select the credits you want to buy, credit card, wait for authorization, release the credits, open fo4, go to CC and buy the stuff, to pirate you just download the file with all the ESL and copy to the data folder, done, faster and easier, bethesda care? Nop... because the money will come from console players, they don't give a fu** to pc players...

 

Because of this, i think they could just give CC for free for PC users and be done with this, maybe that way they will not get so much bad reviews, but again... they don't care.

[leddis3]

 

 

 

I don't mean to disrespect her (maybe a little) but I will admit she does have extensive knowledge of the creation kit but......that's it. 

 

She's good at interior world building in Creation Kit, a small part of Creation Kit's functionality, and has a good eye for detail. I doubt she knows much about anything else in the Creation Kit.

 

Which is exactly why she signed up for the CC. "Using Bethesda's Creation Kit to make house mods" isn't really translatable to anything else. I doubt Bethesda is paying them a fair rate (definitely not worth the community backlash anyway) - most modders who are actually professional programmers / 3D artists in real life (i.e. a lot of people on LoversLab) wouldn't accept such a shitty deal.

 

 

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/903008896582901761

Not sure you understand these creators are getting paid up front. Regardless of whether we sell a single one. Not just tips. They're happy -- Pete Hines 2017

 

Assuming they don't expect to sell ton of shit to console users, right? Because it's not like they designed the whole system to be aimed at console users, right? I mean, they wouldn't just force people to download unavailable content just to bypass the hard limit set for mods on the console platform, right?!

 

 

 

Anyone confronted that rat bastard on how he lied about paid mods not being just copies of existing free mods?

Oh what am I saying, even if they have he'll just make another bullshit excuse.

[cleavagesweat]

i hate cc and although it is a problem, i think its a good problem to have no? my point is that we have a few games that are worth being passionate about. most games these dayz are just a flash in the pan.

[Frozium]

 

This might be sort of an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one who thinks Eli's stuff is awfully overrated?

I use her Pride Flags for Fallout 4 and they are very nice. 

That house near V88 was also cool but i dislike mods that add homes full of shit, i prefer to build stuff on my own. 

What else she got ? 

 

EDIT : i actually checked - looks nice but its mostly some graphical shit, nothing on the level of Ordinator, Frostfall or Hunterborn. 

 

I mean, she has nice mods, but that's it, there's nothing exciting to be found in Eli's downloads. And personally, I find all her homes WAY TOO CLAUSTROPHOBIC (there's a difference between a fancy house and house owned by a person with Diogenes Syndrome).

[Canaris]

 

 

This might be sort of an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one who thinks Eli's stuff is awfully overrated?

I use her Pride Flags for Fallout 4 and they are very nice. 

That house near V88 was also cool but i dislike mods that add homes full of shit, i prefer to build stuff on my own. 

What else she got ? 

 

EDIT : i actually checked - looks nice but its mostly some graphical shit, nothing on the level of Ordinator, Frostfall or Hunterborn. 

 

I mean, she has nice mods, but that's it, there's nothing exciting to be found in Eli's downloads. And personally, I find all her homes WAY TOO CLAUSTROPHOBIC (there's a difference between a fancy house and house owned by a person with Diogenes Syndrome).

 

I find her houses to be simply too clutered ( im going by the screenshots and the one Chestnut Lodge i actually had ). There is too much shit and it simply doesnt feel "mine" to me, it feels like im in someone elses house. 

But thats just me, i prefer the tools to build my own stuff rather than get the stuff pre built and done for me. 

[Outlast1]

This might be stupid but I thought about a way to give Zenimax the finger,

 

We could begin a new IP but some of the concerns are leadership, motivation, finance, coordination, macro-scope, and microscope.

 

1.) we have identified the problem as Beth/Zeni trying to monopolize micro transactions through CC.

 

2.) we know that a consumer based IP can be unstable without proper leadership.

 

3.) there may be a solution.

 

from my observations here through the posts and the opinions made we could by pass leadership struggles through a voting process that elects an individual who has experience, including 2-3 other minority leaders to help assemble a team which have the necessary experience to handle small team projects such as coding, modeling, story elements, art, etc.

as for the finance this may be more difficult but what if we started a campaign to get more people involved through a funding program to increase a cash flow. by advertising that the community is working on major project with very precise goals, and a set list of short goals, such as for example body physics this quarter and so on. where every bi-annual quarter we could release a update of information detailing the current progress of the games development, now this is vague but to include in said information consumer updates, the teams in their respective fields would reveal their progress and what may be needed to reach their goals. One major way this could be skirted is by not having a main story, and include a just sandbox, personally beths main quests except for oblivion and morrowinds story were meh at best. now funding would still be unstable but we continue to push forward trying to advertise through community networks, by communing with other modding networks, social media hubs, and so on to make a single pc game exclusively for the console. using the media network to create an advertising hub with a simple monthly donation. This could also be used to recruit new coders, and so on. When bug testing has finished, release and early version letting people know that this is being release currently to ensure that no bugs get through and or update the game as required to reassure the best possible sand box experience. But the current goals must be kept short and simple for each annual quarter of three months, adding up to reaching major goals in the yearly update.

 

This is an idea I am sure some one could think this through better. still doesn't promise results as funding is difficult if not done right and motivation for the game would be difficult as the teams could fall apart if funding fails or they get mad at each other cause they want their own stuff acknowledged. Personally I really thought it would be cool to have a post apoc survival game with no main quest before the formation of settlements and towns where you survive on your own merits, with a full working legacy systems where characters could ages and die but be able to pass on to their kids in game making the marriage systems work by giving the player some reason to return a home or place they built to teach and train their progeny, with a combat system that focuses on skills and better judgement, instead of like fallout 4 and charging 16 raiders armed with RPK's and AR-15's with m203 grenade launchers you think I am not a bullet sponge guns kill people how can I attack this and deal to them enough damage as break their morale and force them to rout. and skills do not level up but get better with use the more you use it the better it get the less you use it the more you lose kinda thing use it or lose it. also fallout 4 has a good idea for a map I like urban combat building to building and room to room street to street fighting it makes things hairy and such. cause what if we could make a mechanics skill and repair broken down vehicles since this would be a game after the bombs fell not 200 years after they fell. Cause I really want a SDKfz 250 half track or whirlwind flak panzer hehehehehe. but this is just a thought I dont know the technical sides as you guys are far more versed in the business and practical requirements of such an undertaking.

[OldBoggy]

Forgive this ancient lurker chiming in, but are you sure you want a cash flow? From my experience in the Sims 1 adult modding days, once money starts to enter the picture, even just to pay for a web server, things go downhill as folks get more possessive and view new modders as competition as opposed to folks to nurture.

 

The idea of an open sandbox with no main story is intriguing especially as a way to get things going, key there is a very strong leader with complete control, else you run the risk of going the way of Violated Heroine.

 

Given the power of the Unity and Unreal engines and the creativity I've seen here, it is certainly a possibility, main requirement seems to be a respected benevolent dictator.

 

As to the threat from CC, I think we'll know more when Fallout 4 VR is released in December. As for now, I've switched all my Bethesda games on Steam to update on launch and always play offline.

[leddis3]

 

It seems I have my answer to the question of mod plagiarism. 

"But we made the originals!!!1"

 

Gotta love technicalities.

[DoctaSax]

It's not a technicality though. If people are griping about the idea of CC's stealth or hellfire armor being based on a mod, Beth is perfectly within its rights to say, no, it's based on FO3 and so are those mods. It's actually the truth, isn't it.

[cleavagesweat]

 

 

 

This might be sort of an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one who thinks Eli's stuff is awfully overrated?

I use her Pride Flags for Fallout 4 and they are very nice.

That house near V88 was also cool but i dislike mods that add homes full of shit, i prefer to build stuff on my own.

What else she got ?

 

EDIT : i actually checked - looks nice but its mostly some graphical shit, nothing on the level of Ordinator, Frostfall or Hunterborn.

I mean, she has nice mods, but that's it, there's nothing exciting to be found in Eli's downloads. And personally, I find all her homes WAY TOO CLAUSTROPHOBIC (there's a difference between a fancy house and house owned by a person with Diogenes Syndrome).

I find her houses to be simply too clutered ( im going by the screenshots and the one Chestnut Lodge i actually had ). There is too much shit and it simply doesnt feel "mine" to me, it feels like im in someone elses house.

But thats just me, i prefer the tools to build my own stuff rather than get the stuff pre built and done for me.

concur. i actually uninstalled all of her mods bc they were all mostly uber small, cozy homes that had no elbow room and stuffed full of items that u cudn't interact with.

[ralfetas]

I found a way around the download. Just go to Steam offline and reboot your pc. Then start something other than FO$ and stay in offline mode. Close out that game and THEN start FO4. No message, no block, no fuckin download! You NEVER have to download that bullshit this way!!!!!!

 

A lot of trouble... just delete the files, easy and fast...

[leddis3]

It's not a technicality though. If people are griping about the idea of CC's stealth or hellfire armor being based on a mod, Beth is perfectly within its rights to say, no, it's based on FO3 and so are those mods. It's actually the truth, isn't it.

No, it isn't the truth.

Setting aside the fact that Bethesda's paid Hellfire armor has the exact same proportions as the free mod one which are both significantly different from the FO3 one, they specifically promised there would be no same versions of free mods with no added caveats or provisos.

 

Whether they created the initial designs is irrelevant, somebody else created them for FO4 first, and it has unfairly made the modders who made the free stealth suit and hellfire mods look like they were double dipping into paid mods when they had nothing to do with them, thanks to Bethesda arrogantly refusing to disclose who has made what in the CC.

So yes, it very much is a technicality and part of Pete Hines' Newspeak to defend this utterly awful system.

 

Let me remind you Hines is the same dishonest asshole who claimed that modders and players actually owe Bethesda revenue from mods because they provided the base game, ignoring the fact that we already paid for the game and it's dlcs.

[Outlast1]

Forgive this ancient lurker chiming in, but are you sure you want a cash flow? From my experience in the Sims 1 adult modding days, once money starts to enter the picture, even just to pay for a web server, things go downhill as folks get more possessive and view new modders as competition as opposed to folks to nurture.

 

The idea of an open sandbox with no main story is intriguing especially as a way to get things going, key there is a very strong leader with complete control, else you run the risk of going the way of Violated Heroine.

 

Given the power of the Unity and Unreal engines and the creativity I've seen here, it is certainly a possibility, main requirement seems to be a respected benevolent dictator.

 

As to the threat from CC, I think we'll know more when Fallout 4 VR is released in December. As for now, I've switched all my Bethesda games on Steam to update on launch and always play offline.

 

Aw I dont mean cash flow as in profit from sales but as in terms of getting cash to fund the project my thoughts reflect on the premise of using modelers, and other programs which require yearly or monthly payments to use in order to create this said new IP, secondly I was also looking at cost I am sorry but initial hype for making a community made game outside of the Triple A studios is going to skyrocket then crash like a ballistic missile because eventual people want to get paid. I should have wrote that a tad better, its all rubbish bloody rubbish how this works but if the community here decided to shoot for this I would definitely back this as I am tired of schemes and I think this community can make a game that would slap triple a game studios in the face.

[cleavagesweat]

this isnt coming to oldrim is it?

[Reepa7]

Bethesda: Only NEW and ORIGINAL content will be allowed

 

Users: Ok, Hellfire and stealth suit are already out though.

 

Bethesda: Yeah but that's something WE created a long time ago so we can use it.

 

.....so it's not new or original................

 

[cleavagesweat]

Bethesda: Only NEW and ORIGINAL content will be allowed

 

Users: Ok, Hellfire and stealth suit are already out though.

 

Bethesda: Yeah but that's something WE created a long time ago so we can use it.

 

.....so it's not new or original................

nice catch. they're just making it up as they go and their words are worthless. do they even know/care how they're being perceived? they can't be ignorant to the hate that is brewing. most gaming media outlets and forums are trashing this. how are they gonna respond?

[DoctaSax]

"New and original content" means something else to most users than to people in the entertainment business, ie: it's especially made for that purpose, not bound by someone else's copyright, etc. It doesn't mean 'absolutely unique and groundbreaking in both concept and execution'.  When they announce a 'new, original' TV series, it's bound to be just another cop show.

 

There's plenty to complain about the CC, but this hellfire/stealth armor thing... If there's no actual asset theft, then what we're accusing beth of is copying someone's idea to copy an idea from beth. No matter how you turn it, you can't allow one without allowing the other. If I allow someone to copy from me, I couldn't possibly take them seriously if they accused me of stealing their idea if I decided to copy that same thing from myself for another purpose.

[Reepa7]

 

Bethesda: Only NEW and ORIGINAL content will be allowed

 

Users: Ok, Hellfire and stealth suit are already out though.

 

Bethesda: Yeah but that's something WE created a long time ago so we can use it.

 

.....so it's not new or original................

nice catch. they're just making it up as they go and their words are worthless. do they even know/care how they're being perceived? they can't be ignorant to the hate that is brewing. most gaming media outlets and forums are trashing this. how are they gonna respond?

 

 

They're gonna respond the same way Bioware did. We've received so much feedback, some positive, some critical. xD

 

Just brush it off

[27X]

 

It's not a technicality though. If people are griping about the idea of CC's stealth or hellfire armor being based on a mod, Beth is perfectly within its rights to say, no, it's based on FO3 and so are those mods. It's actually the truth, isn't it.

No, it isn't the truth.

Setting aside the fact that Bethesda's paid Hellfire armor has the exact same proportions as the free mod one which are both significantly different from the FO3 one, they specifically promised there would be no same versions of free mods with no added caveats or provisos.

 

Whether they created the initial designs is irrelevant, somebody else created them for FO4 first, and it has unfairly made the modders who made the free stealth suit and hellfire mods look like they were double dipping into paid mods when they had nothing to do with them, thanks to Bethesda arrogantly refusing to disclose who has made what in the CC.

So yes, it very much is a technicality and part of Pete Hines' Newspeak to defend this utterly awful system.

 

Let me remind you Hines is the same dishonest asshole who claimed that modders and players actually owe Bethesda revenue from mods because they provided the base game, ignoring the fact that we already paid for the game and it's dlcs.

 

 

Or perhaps both points of view are true.

this isnt coming to oldrim is it?

 

no. Small miracles.