KoolHndLuke Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, GrimReaper said: The main issue is that the cops didn't stop what they were doing even when Floyd didn't resist anymore. They also didn't stop when he went limp. As I said, an error in judgement all the way around. Gross negligence resulting in death? Yes. Premeditated or heated intent? No. I do think police reform is in order, but the way these people are going about it IN THE MIDDLE OF RIOTS is ludicrous.
27X Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 4 hours ago, endgameaddic†ion said: You cannot suffocate with the knee positioned on the back of the neck. Press the back of your neck against something solid and see if you'll choke. I got all day. Not gonna happen. There's no direct contact with your wind pipe. I could understand if the knee was pressed on the neck from the side or front. It's also very interesting how he had a lot of words to say while being "choked" before he "suffocated" to death. Someone who's choking can't say a damn thing and is struggling to gasp for air. He died from his drug usage and bad blood pumper. I can safely say you are completely full of shit. Literally no idea what you're talking about. Source: 12 years of brazillian jiujutsu, being 6'3" and weighing over 200 pounds. Moreover, Chavin placed Floyd so his neck was against a drain curb stop, which is elevated about four inches off the ground. Floyd's neck, not his head, not his shoulders, was placed over the stop. His death was certainly exacerbated by his shitty lifestyle and choices, he was also killed by Chavin, through a combination of standard issue racism and incompetence. Last time I checked, compressed windpipe isn't a c19 symptom.
gregathit Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, GrimReaper said: Not necessarily, the point is the intent or lack thereof. If you choke someone with your hands with the intent to pacify them or to render them unconscious and they die as a result, it wouldn't be 1st degree murder. Right. Good luck in court with that one. A film with your hands around the neck shows intent to do harm. A knee on the neck could be interpreted as intent to pacify. But nice try. 3 minutes ago, GrimReaper said: Resisting arrest or struggling doesn't justify killing someone if they aren't threatening the life of anyone around them or that there is a good reason to believe that they might. If someone struggles during arrest and tries to grab the cop's weapon, for example, that would justify using deadly force. They might not want to shoot anyone, but there's no way to know and if you don't act, you're risking your own life and those of others in the vicinity. However, the use of force must be immediate - slowly killing someone after they've stopped being a threat isn't justified. I never justified killing anyone so the point is irrelevant. As for him resisting, how do you know that if they would not have kept him that he would not have gone for their guns. The point is you don't baby violent criminals. Resisting arrest makes you a violent criminal and you have ZERO right to complain about shit that happens to you at that point. Clearly you have never been in a fight. Especially with someone larger and jacked up on drugs. It is VERY difficult to keep someone controlled under those circumstances. The vulcan grip is only effective in movies dude. 5 minutes ago, GrimReaper said: It means exactly that. Cops killing someone illegally has much more weight behind it than some criminal killing someone illegally. You're making an awful lot of assumptions about my position just because I stated that Floyd was murdered - I do not endorse the riots, defunding the police will exacerbate the issue so I don't support that statement, either. I do not think BLM is a good organization, mainly because they come with a lot of additional demands that have nothing to do with racism, police brutality or any issue that's related to the loss of black lives. I also disagree with their very specific views on police brutality - it's an issue that affects the whole society, not just black people. Black communities have a massive crime problem so they're much more likely to interact with the police, which results in many of the killings, justified or not. Something which BLM doesn't mention. They also don't mention that many more black lives are lost due to the rampant crime in black communities. It seems that to BLM, a black life only has value if i t can be used as an instrument. If cops kill someone one in a clearly unjustified situation then yes they deserve to have the world fall on them hard. Yes, cops should be punished if they use excessive force. There isn't anyone on the planet aside from criminals who would disagree. I pounced on this statement because it sounded like you were offering up an excuse to riot and loot: "Does this justify the riots? No, I don't think so." That is not a strong denial. I don't "think" so. That is what I took offense at. That is why I responded the way I did. Now if you are saying that the riots and looting are completely unjustified then I truly did misinterpret your response and I'm sorry for that. As for the rest of your comments, it appears you and I have a lot of common ground. There are very real problems in black neighborhoods and most of those problems don't have anything at all to do with the police. This ridiculous crusade that leaders and the media have been perpetuating against cops has to stop RIGHT NOW. It undermines the fabric society and does nothing to better anything or anyone. 23 minutes ago, GrimReaper said: I do not agree that Floyd is at fault for his own death. He deserved rougher treatment because he was resisting, yes, but rougher treatment doesn't mean killing him. We are going to have to disagree on this. At minimum 50 percent of his death is on him. Honestly I think it is more like 75 percent on him. He doesn't do drugs or attempt to pass of counterfeit money and then complies with officers and he is alive today. No one would have knelt on his neck if he was in the squad car. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 27 minutes ago, GrimReaper said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ Crime is actually on a somewhat steady downwards trend. However I do not think that the riots, retard larpers screaming ACAB or defunding the police will help it go down further - quite the opposite. I do hope that many people will end up suing the states that allowed the riots to continue for neglect. I hope the CHAZ/CHOP clown fiesta will cost Seattle a fortune. Agreed. You can throw out the crime going down statistics thanks to this madness. It had been in a steady decline. Now ask yourself why. We were putting criminals behind bars and KEEPING THEM THERE. Now you have places like New York (should be renamed to New Joke) that has been doing a catch and release program. And no, they can't blame it on covid, they were doing it before that hit. Wonder of all wonders, you release a criminal and they just commit more crimes (note, this is PRE-covid. After covid hit things have just gotten worse): https://www.amny.com/police-fire/crime-stats-show-previous-offenders-have-been-committing-more-crimes-while-out-due-to-bail-reform-laws/ This right here shows you De Bonehead is truly one of the dumbest people on the planet: https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/unconscionable-for-released-inmates-to-commit-crimes-de-blasio/ California has now started doing this and it is just madness. It almost appears as though the Governors and Mayors of these states/cities are actively trying to destroy America. I don't know what else to call it. The real question I keep asking is why in the fuck people keep voting for these idiots?
Darkpig Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 I think everything with the riots and the covids and the police brutality are finally settling down. As fun as it was monkeying around. Er no this is not fun this is srrious business. Bad Darkpig! Bad! Alas we are finally ready for some tea. https://www.yorkshiretea.com/ No! No advertising! Bad Darkpig! Bad!
gregathit Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Portland is still going, but then those crazies up there are always rioting I think: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/riot-declarted-portland-oregon-protesters-tear-gassed/ Yes, Bad Darkpig for link spamming. You'll need to be spanked now.............
27X Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Darkpig said: riots and the covids and the police brutality are finally settling down Naw. This is going to be stoked and massaged until the election hits peak reporting and pushing retardation and then it depends on frankly, where you live. If you live in an urban coastal area it's going to be literal year(s) until this settles. Most rural areas that aren't bordered by water forgot this was a thing a month after it happened. Context is king.
KoolHndLuke Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, 27X said: Naw. This is going to be stoked and massaged until the election hits peak reporting and pushing retardation and then it depends on frankly, where you live. If you live in an urban coastal area it's going to be literal year(s) until this settle. Most rural area that aren't bordered by water forgot this was a thing a month after it happened. Context is king. Agreed. This is just another catalyst to set larger, more insidious things into motion......or higher gear. Stumble to close to the truth and you might get "disappeared".
27X Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, endgameaddic†ion said: Drained curb you say? This looks even to me. Look at the distance from the actual curb where the drain would be. God damn, that's one large as gap from where his head is all the way to the curb. The /drain curb stop/ is a single thing, I'm not talking about the curb.
Canaris Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 9 hours ago, GrimReaper said: It was murder No it wasnt. It was a junkie dying from overdose and heart defect. That knee just sped things up.
Darkpig Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 5 hours ago, gregathit said: Yes, Bad Darkpig for link spamming. You'll need to be spanked now............. This is so wrong yet feels so right. 5 hours ago, 27X said: Naw. This is going to be stoked and massaged until the election hits peak reporting and pushing retardation and then it depends on frankly, where you live. If you live in an urban coastal area it's going to be literal year(s) until this settles. Most rural areas that aren't bordered by water forgot this was a thing a month after it happened. Context is king. Does this mean no tea?
27X Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Darkpig said: This is so wrong yet feels so right. Does this mean no tea? Depends on how thick the walls to your domicile are, and how many guests you wanna have.
landess Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Waking up to my computer at the log-in screen only to find out Windows10 decided I need a new version of the Edge browser with taskbar and desktop icons already installed. Christ I miss the good old days more and more. I needed to use task manager just to escape their forced tutorial "Let's get started" Fuck you! Let's not - click!
worik Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, landess said: Windows10 You really, really (i'm sorry: really!) should retire that useless crap and move on to helpful technology Spoiler
Grey Cloud Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, landess said: "Let's get started" Had one myself this a.m. I wondered how long I will have to have had W10 before it realises that I've already started. (Not to self: don't hold your breath).
landess Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, worik said: move on to helpful technology I've been pissed at the direction Star Trek went years ago. That shot reminds me that TNG was like TOS - looking at the future using critical thinking. One computer on the ship, with many work stations. Some dedicated while others are just available so anyone can 'load' their own 'app'. You see this with scenes like Geordi telling the computer to transfer engineering to the bridge. Obviously the main terminal in engineering still functions while he has 'satellite' privileges. The show also had examples of 'modded' default StarFleet programs - tweaking the defaults which were likely tested by Command and possibly used as the new defaults. Another good example was the defense scripts created and ran by officers during conflict: "Computer, run Riker 1"..... "I'm sorry, I cannot run Riker 1 at this time while your ship's computer is being upgraded to Windows 476"
Mr. Otaku Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, landess said: Waking up to my computer at the log-in screen only to find out Windows10 decided I need a new version of the Edge browser with taskbar and desktop icons already installed. Christ I miss the good old days more and more. I needed to use task manager just to escape their forced tutorial "Let's get started" Fuck you! Let's not - click! That's what you fockin get for using shit OS m8, everybody knows that TempleOS is the only good and practical OS in existence.
landess Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 36 minutes ago, Mr.Otaku said: everybody knows The numbers would disagree with you. Not that your wrong about the product per se'. When the majority of reasons I have a computer require the use of Windows, then Stockholm Syndrome is the result.
AKM Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 22 hours ago, gregathit said: how in the fuck do you justify burning down the residences and stores of the black community over this? How do you justify the huge number of murders related to the riots? Skin color is NOT RELEVANT to this fake fucking outrage. The kids. Just more pain and fake victim-hood mentalities. But hey, defund the police if you want. I'll be laughing my ass off when they come for you and 911 is out of order. Heh. They did the same thing in 1994 in LA. "We're mad, so we're going to burn down OUR OWN business and homes! That'll teach them!" The mind boggles. It's not? Could've fooled them. Oh wait, they did. Kids? Almost nobody cares about them. Oh they say they do, but they don't. It's just like the big businesses with the "donate a dollar for X childrens' fund" campaigns. 1. A dollar goes nowhere but straight into the pockets of the organizations managers and 2. The real reason those companies push that is two fold. A. Public image and B. Serious tax breaks. No, they don't care about children, either. Sorry about your burst bubble. Victim-hood is all the rage these days. It's baffling to watch. Used to be that not being able to take care of your own crap was a bad thing. Today it's: Wait, what? The world's a big, bad place that owes you nothing? Shhhhocking! (Sigh....)
Grey Cloud Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, landess said: "I'm sorry, I cannot run Riker 1 at this time while your ship's computer is being upgraded to Windows 476" There you are, knee deep in Romulans and the computer says "Let's get started". 1 hour ago, landess said: "Computer, run Riker 1".. "Would you like to choose an app to run Riker 1 or visit the Microsoft App Store?" I prefer Holly the computer from Red Dwarf. It had an IQ of 1000 - that's the equivalent of 1000 PE teachers.
Darkpig Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 12 hours ago, 27X said: Depends on how thick the walls to your domicile are, and how many guests you wanna have. Are we expecting a plane crash? If so then we will be waking up to vikings, Romans, caveman and pilgrims wandering the streets wearing naught but a loincloth. Then again Americans are going to poop their diapers regardless. I wonder if the British are doing any better? Well If anything they appreciate good tea. But we aren't talking about tea are we? Maybe we should treat government, corporations and people like dogs. We praise them for doing one thing right amidst terrorizing the neighbors, destroying property and being an audible nuisance. Oh and we talk to them like you would a baby. Who is a good boy? You are~ Yes you are~
27X Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 In theory that's a great idea; in practice corporations worked around all that legal shit ages ago. Case in point Disney shit that should public domain that they literally never owned the right to in the first place is still their trademark and property. Case in point Apple hasn't paid taxes in decades. The only way to deal with corporations is to starve them to death, no exceptions.
KoolHndLuke Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, Darkpig said: government, corporations Same animal with slightly different camouflage. At least with corporations you can be sure they're all about the money which makes them slightly easier to predict. Most peeps just want to be left the fuck alone to do their thing. Politicians are lying scum.
worik Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: I prefer Holly the computer from Red Dwarf. It had an IQ of 1000 - that's the equivalent of 1000 PE teachers. *cough Spoiler
Darkpig Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 2 hours ago, worik said: *cough Hide contents Deep thought: I shall design this computer for you and it shall be called- Marvin? Is that why he is so depressed?
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