Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I noticed a peculiar functionality some time ago - during the supply quest dialogues with vendors change when the PC doesn't have her mask on. Do you have a "stage" planned where the father takes away the mask and orders PC to do the quest without it from now on, or is it just a bonus?

Also, few things I thought would be worth sharing:
- It would be a cool task if father kicked out the PC completely naked and ordered her to bring him 500 gold, or she remains outside. It would force the player to either beg (SLS), work as a whore or simply steal. All pretty degrading.
- I don't know if you're a fan or not, but whipping is strangely absent from this mod, somthing that could be implemented.
- While I understand gag would make communicating with father quite daunting (something you pointed out few pages ago), there is a nice way it could be implemented - a new slavery stage in which the house is locked by default and the PC has to ask father everytime she wants to leave. Then father could take away all the clothes and order PC to put the gag on in order to make her life more miserable and pathetic (no one is intrested in what slave has to say); of course provided submission & depravity are high enough.
- Since the carriages and DD are already in use I was thinking it would be nice to add yet another challenge - the PC is ordered to go to the carriage driver, then she's delivered to a random location within a reasonable radius from the house, stripped, locked in some heavier restraints and forced to make her way back. If the player uses SLS map mechanics this task would be quite challenging. It also has a bonus psychological effect on the PC, as the world is hostile and dangerous to a restrained female, so father's servitude will seem like a preferable alternative.
- 2000 for mother's healing is - in my opinion - way too little, considering how much her daily healing costs and way to easy to gather this amount of money. I think 5000 would be a more appropriate sum.
- There's a bug in mother's daily healing cost, where father will take anything the PC has in her pocket between 100 and current healing cost (for example if the healing cost is 160 and the PC only has 120, father will take it and it counts as another day paid).

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Do you have a "stage" planned where the father takes away the mask and orders PC to do the quest without it from now on, or is it just a bonus?

Not really. It's just dialogue to cover that particular status. Wouldn't make sense if they treated you the same without your hood. 

But I suppose the route it open. 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

It would be a cool task if father kicked out the PC completely naked and ordered her to bring him 500 gold, or she remains outside. It would force the player to either beg (SLS), work as a whore or simply steal. All pretty degrading.

Mmm. I dunno. I'd be a bit concerned the player would just go "fuck that guy" and never return if it was to cost to return. 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

- I don't know if you're a fan or not, but whipping is strangely absent from this mod, somthing that could be implemented.

Currently working on father beating the player with his fists. Whipping should be a piece of cake if I get it working. 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

- 2000 for mother's healing is - in my opinion - way too little, considering how much her daily healing costs and way to easy to gather this amount of money. I think 5000 would be a more appropriate sum.

On principal I'd agree but I'm afraid it's not as simple as bumping up a value. When is it ever.

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

- There's a bug in mother's daily healing cost, where father will take anything the PC has in her pocket between 100 and current healing cost (for example if the healing cost is 160 and the PC only has 120, father will take it and it counts as another day paid).

Hmm. Thought I fixed that. You running the latest version?

[kapibar]

2 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Not really. It's just dialogue to cover that particular status. Wouldn't make sense if they treated you the same without your hood. 

But I suppose the route it open.

I certainly wouldn't mind this kind of development if you find some more time.

 

4 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Mmm. I dunno. I'd be a bit concerned the player would just go "fuck that guy" and never return if it was to cost to return. 

At any point the player can say "screw it", but the RP factor keeps us in line. At some point PC is so depraved and terrorized that she'll probably bring back the gold in her teeth. The thing about Wartimes is that players who really commit to roleplaying will spend shit ton of time playing this mod, for me it's already full menstrual cycle (14 game days) and my PC is only 2 days pregnant, so it's 28 game days at least until she'll have any real way out. So for me personally few challenges would help pass the time.

 

10 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Currently working on father beating the player with his fists. Whipping should be a piece of cake if I get it working. 

Nice idea. Many mods use whipping, but literal beating is something new.

 

11 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

On principal I'd agree but I'm afraid it's not as simple as bumping up a value. When is it ever.

And here I thought it was simple as that :P.

 

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. Thought I fixed that. You running the latest version?

Yup. On a fresh save.

[excidium93]

Is there a simple way to change to maid outfit?

[lcewolf]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. Thought I fixed that. You running the latest version?

 

I use the latest version and it's still not working yet. I remade a new fresh game since i was unable to see any PAH stuff and i see him accept (140 gold for 180)(120 for 160) gold.

 

I am not sure why but the first day father appologie option don't appear. The next day it's seem to work. It's a great feature

[Monoman1]

8 hours ago, excidium93 said:

Is there a simple way to change to maid outfit?

Guess it depends on your definition of easy but in general id say no. 

 

The good news is I'm trying to shoehorn some kind of configurable outfit system in. Probably similar to the way piercings are configured - multiple levels (with, hopefully, increasingly skimpy outfits) and ultimately nakedness. Probably still only going to be just barkeep clothes out of the box though as I can't think of anything skimpier in vanilla...

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Monoman1

[jperrins66]

This is just a wish list as I'm very grateful for all your hard work already but if I were adding tweaks ( I got no skill so that's not happening) I'd make it so you could add custom maid outfits to a chest that father would allow you to wear plus another chest for father approved outfits to be worn outside the house once required to be naked inside. I'd also add a quest where father rents you out as a cleaning maid where pay increases depending on if your clothed, topless,naked and ultimately a free sex naked cleaner, plus I'd add a gang bang option to the guard cooking. A radiant prostitution tie in would be nice too, like with submissive lola but where father is your pimp. And If I'm going full wish list here a tie in to public whore where your "lent" to the jarl, maybe instead / as well as being kicked out for low favour and you get enough favour from it to be allowed back in.

 

Like I said just a wish list but if some money thrown at it could make it reality msg me and we'll talk lol

 

P.s. could not get the SSE version to work, so spent 2 days putting LE back on and modding it to hell and am very happy I did.

[excidium93]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Guess it depends on your definition of easy but in general id say no. 

 

The good news is I'm trying to shoehorn some kind of configurable outfit system in. Probably similar to the way piercings are configured - multiple levels (with, hopefully, increasingly skimpy outfits) and ultimately nakedness. Probably still only going to be just barkeep clothes out of the box though as I can't think of anything skimpier in vanilla...

 

 

Maybe the Tavern wench outfit? At least I think it's a bit more skimpy but it could be a mod ?

[kapibar]

45 minutes ago, excidium93 said:

 

Maybe the Tavern wench outfit? At least I think it's a bit more skimpy but it could be a mod ?

Guys, I really don't understand why would you need to change this set of clothes? It's not like they will be worn for long.

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

Guys, I really don't understand why would you need to change this set of clothes? It's not like they will be worn for long.

What's the issue? If you want to keep it the same as older versions you just configure a single outfit...

 

Personally I think the jump from slightly skimpy outfit to completely naked is a bit too fast. Even the original dialogue felt this way - "oh hey, you're a great fuck. You should serve me naked".

 

I think you won't progress to being naked until you've gone through each configured level of outfit. Which looks like 2 levels now - barkeeper and wench outfit. But if you want to go further it should be possible. Right down to nipple tassels if you want. But I'll admit it may cause pacing issues. Sex/rape start may have to revolve around the 'level' of outfit you're assigned. Currently it's based on the number of tasks completed. So it may have to change from this to: 

 

Tasks completed = outfit assigned = sex approach begin etc. 

 

*thinking out loud*

 

Whipping/beating is finished at least. I'm pretty happy with the results. 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

25 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

What's the issue? If you want to keep it the same as older versions you just configure a single outfit...

No issue, I was just curious. To me this outfit was just a stepping stone, and considering how long PC wears it vs how long she serves naked it never occured to me that someone would want to change it. So, nothing more than an honest curiosity ;).

[lcewolf]

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

Guys, I really don't understand why would you need to change this set of clothes? It's not like they will be worn for long.

Agrea

 

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Personally I think the jump from slightly skimpy outfit to completely naked is a bit too fast. Even the original dialogue felt this way - "oh hey, you're a great fuck. You should serve me naked".

 

I think you won't progress to being naked until you've gone through each configured level of outfit. Which looks like 2 levels now - barkeeper and wench outfit. But if you want to go further it should be possible. Right down to nipple tassels if you want. But I'll admit it may cause pacing issues. Sex/rape start may have to revolve around the 'level' of outfit you're assigned. Currently it's based on the number of tasks completed. So it may have to change from this to: 

 

Tasks completed = outfit assigned = sex approach begin etc. 

 

*thinking out loud*

 

Whipping/beating is finished at least. I'm pretty happy with the results. 

 

Set multiple ouftit could be tricky but it would be indeed nice anyway.

 

It's true father is like "greet sex now you will serve me without clothes" it kind of quick too (My opinion). If you planning our character to be naked and you are looking for an alternative. I don't know if you can make multiple requirement but if i could suggest probably after father put the dog next in charge. Since you mother is all the time naked without exception and she is above you, it would make sence you will be to.

(I don't know if it is wanted but the approche about the dog is unlock after the first stage and not at the end of the third stage)

 

If you want to put in fonction an all time naked rule if i could suggest  probably after the shopping list naked without helmet.

 

I think Pchs made a whipped part already in the mod. Nothing advance like the thing you do but when you use the bad girl with a brawl mouth approche at the beggining. You have few option like this unlocked.

 

I suppose Pchs wanted a quick way to pass most the quest and turn you and your mother into slave fast.

 

[leakim]

This mod is great! Thanks pchs so much for creating it and Monoman1 for really taking it to the next level.

 

I am a bit suprised you continue updating the mod, even after indicating you'd see it done, rather than continue updating it. I am not one to complain, though. So I would like to add some suggestions for your consideration:

• Consider integrating devious devices as a temporary punishment instead. As you said yourself, the current "Bondage Job" implementation does not work ideally because it interferes with "Immersive Fashion Job". Using devious devices as a temporary punishment (as an alternative to sex) would allow a more smooth integration. In addition it would allow you to use more punishing variations such as blindhold, armbinder, gags and eventually even pet suits because the punishments only would be temporary. For example: Father could strap you into a pet suit for the rest of the day. Seems hot.
• Consider making a playthrough of the mod a bit more consistent (and reduce randomness slightly) by:
  • Weighting the likelihood various force greet events occur. For example: 
    • HIGHEST WEIGHT: Initial initiate sex interaction force greet
    • HIGH WEIGHT: Punishment force greet (I would personally like to see more of these)
    • MEDIUM WEIGHT: Various "job increment" events (fashion, bondage, etc.)
    • LOW WEIGHT: Fallback interaction
  • Adding a cooldown after a "job increment" force greet, such that these do not happen immediately after eachother. This will prevent immediately incrementing "jobs" to the maximum level over a short period, if unlucky.
• But most importantly, and I can't stress this enough: You should really consider getting the main post updated because this mod really does not get the notoriety that it clearly deserves. Most users of this site won't even know this mod exists.

 

I also got some questions:

• Is the "horse milking" task considered bestiality content and what is the requirements for this to be started? (I have managed to get it started once, but only after having received punishments related to Brutus). If it is considered bestiality content, then I am kinda sad the cellar punishment is hidden behind that, because that is pretty damn hot. Generally I try to avoid bestiality, but I'd enable it for that alone. (I had it disabled because I quickly grew tired of Aldo in my previous playthrough)

 

And a bonus question (that is not directly related to this mod):

• It seems to me that the "breast milk" overlays from MME interferes with the sexlab cum overlays, such that only the breast milk is shown. Is this standard or is it my setup that is borked? As far as I can search, this problem does not seem to be mentioned in the MME support thread.

 

Thanks for the amazing content.

[valeforgery]

11 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Personally I think the jump from slightly skimpy outfit to completely naked is a bit too fast. Even the original dialogue felt this way - "oh hey, you're a great fuck. You should serve me naked".

 

I think you won't progress to being naked until you've gone through each configured level of outfit. Which looks like 2 levels now - barkeeper and wench outfit. But if you want to go further it should be possible. Right down to nipple tassels if you want. But I'll admit it may cause pacing issues. Sex/rape start may have to revolve around the 'level' of outfit you're assigned. Currently it's based on the number of tasks completed. So it may have to change from this to: 

 

Tasks completed = outfit assigned = sex approach begin etc.

 

This sounds really good! I'd been feeling like the required-clothing stage being done with so quickly was a bit sudden, and it also seemed a bit out of step with the fashion stuff to have him take such fine control of the player character's appearance in other ways but be so abrupt in handling her body clothing.

 

If you're already thinking about adding multiple levels of outfits and letting the player maybe configure what they are (even if just through making a patch themselves to change which items are considered relevant), one thing that I'd personally appreciate - if it's possible - would be the option to have an outfit made up of multiple pieces, rather than just the one body-slot piece. There are some modded outfits that I'd like to be able to set as required, but because they're made up of multiple different pieces (e.g. a top and skirt) I wasn't able to switch the requirements over easily with a simple patch.

[kapibar]

13 hours ago, leakim said:

• But most importantly, and I can't stress this enough: You should really consider getting the main post updated because this mod really does not get the notoriety that it clearly deserves. Most users of this site won't even know this mod exists.

⬆ This! It's really a crime that this mod is recognized by only a handful of people who know how much effort and thought went to its development and how it changed from what is available in the main post. I actually found out that it was overhauled by sheer luck.

That being said, I have few more thoughts for @Monoman1 consideration.

A thing that strikes me as peculiar is that father never leaves the house. Yes, he's lazy and will use the PC to do his biddings, but it's like his only hobbies are walking around and fucking. The overall experience would benefit from him behaving more like a human being, for example going to the Bannered Mare once in a while. This also opens up a possibility to introduce some kind of event, maybe with the PC secured in the furniture and gangbanged when father comes back inebriated with his drinking buddies.

The second thing that is strange in his behavior is the fact he never sleeps. I know sleeping would make him vulnerable, but maybe it's possible to install locking doors in his room, so he can lock himself for the night.

I don't know if it's doable and/or complicated, just throwing ideas that might give you some inspiration.

Edited August 1, 2021 by kapibar

[lcewolf]

7 hours ago, kapibar said:

⬆ This! It's really a crime that this mod is recognized by only a handful of people who know how much effort and thought went to its development and how it changed from what is available in the main post. I actually found out that it was overhauled by sheer luck.

That being said, I have few more thoughts for @Monoman1 consideration.

A thing that strikes me as peculiar is that father never leaves the house. Yes, he's lazy and will use the PC to do his biddings, but it's like his only hobbies are walking around and fucking. The overall experience would benefit from him behaving more like a human being, for example going to the Bannered Mare once in a while. This also opens up a possibility to introduce some kind of event, maybe with the PC secured in the furniture and gangbanged when father comes back inebriated with his drinking buddies.

The second thing that is strange in his behavior is the fact he never sleeps. I know sleeping would make him vulnerable, but maybe it's possible to install locking doors in his room, so he can lock himself for the night.

I don't know if it's doable and/or complicated, just throwing ideas that might give you some inspiration.

I think he have some kind of "routine" where father goes to Whiterun up to the tavern. But this part of the mod is in the version "Enslaved" (When your PC answer badly to the father) and has never been finished.

 

Adding a locking door is quite a good idea. This could be used as a trigger mechanism.

We might have to wake up our father in certain situations where he would either be upset or happy.

 

Exemple:

- The dog that wakes you up at night and you go complaining at father. (With multiple stage. He will be probably upset)

 

- You have to give him all your inventory which he puts in a chest in is room each day and ask him each day for it content. (He Could be upset/happy if it's too soon or too late. He might be angry if the content is given too late and if you wake him up too early for getting the content). (At some point you no longer have any furniture other than the bedside table in your room

 

-Your PC could try to open the door by stealing the key of father or with a lockpick which could bring a high punishment.

 

-At some point,Your father could keep your savings in a chest apartment and do not give you all the content forcing the player to attempt to steal his contained.

 

-After the curfew your father could lock the main entrance door. which would lead to a punishment if you arrived too late. In the morning you might have to ask him to unlock the door earlier. (Father I would like to go wash myself in the lake before there are too many people. Could you unlock the entrance door?)

 

@Monoman1 I don't know if you have planned at some point that our PC receive soap for wash herself in the back lake outside. This door could be used to ask our father for soap. At some point you father could control when you will bathe. When the level of submission and depravity is more important your father could only give your soap at hours or there are people present around who would look at you. It could be used as an incentive to go as close as possible to your home while father keeps your inventory and get you out naked only with soap.

 

 

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

I think he have some kind of "routine" where father goes to Whiterun up to the tavern. But this part of the mod is in the version "Enslaved" (When your PC answer badly to the father) and has never been finished.

Yeah, I know. I've been using this mod for years (there was an older version, before this one), although I'm not sure if father's behavior can be defined as routine. He just walks to the Bannered Mare, and since the PC is enslaved via SD, she's forced to come with him. I don't know if this is still present in the most current version. This original Wartimes was extremely underdeveloped.

[lcewolf]

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

Yeah, I know. I've been using this mod for years (there was an older version, before this one), although I'm not sure if father's behavior can be defined as routine. He just walks to the Bannered Mare, and since the PC is enslaved via SD, she's forced to come with him. I don't know if this is still present in the most current version. This original Wartimes was extremely underdeveloped.

True i play with this mod since the first version. I am not sure if it is still present either. When Phcs made the ''new version'' of Wartimes i was amaze with all he have done. It's was quite original and seriously out of the box thinking. Sad he stop but the version of monoman1 is more intense.

[kapibar]

5 hours ago, lcewolf said:

True i play with this mod since the first version. I am not sure if it is still present either. When Phcs made the ''new version'' of Wartimes i was amaze with all he have done. It's was quite original and seriously out of the box thinking. Sad he stop but the version of monoman1 is more intense.

It's quite funny, what started as an introduction to SD was developed so heavily that SD was actually limiting in comparison. Pchs did an amazing job, I was really surprised this mod never had the notoriety it deserved. Monoman's version took steps in an intresting direction, making the original work very unique experience, at this moment it's the best starting scenario there is, not even a contest. It does exactly what it's supposed to do - introduce the player to many mechanics and demands of LL mods, plus allows for early bug diagnosis. The potential of this mod is huge, even after all this time.

Edited August 2, 2021 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

Sorry folks. I'm having a hard time even keeping up with the forum atm.

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

Consider integrating devious devices as a temporary punishment instead.

Yea. That would have been a better idea in retrospect. Working around or replacing the current system is a bit of PITA though so don't know that I'll touch it at this stage. + I'm sure there are people using DD that don't use YPS that might lynch me for changing it. 

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

Consider making a playthrough of the mod a bit more consistent (and reduce randomness slightly) by

Personally I like the randomness. 

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

But most importantly, and I can't stress this enough:

Won't happen until the mod is ready to return tbh.

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

Is the "horse milking" task considered bestiality content and what is the requirements for this to be started?

Yes ofc. It requires horse handjob animations. Billy's pack has a few. 

You must have already given Brutus a handjob - this is probably only doable via the apology system. So you have to fail something. 

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

It seems to me that the "breast milk" overlays from MME interferes with the sexlab cum overlays, such that only the breast milk is shown. Is this standard or is it my setup that is borked? As far as I can search, this problem does not seem to be mentioned in the MME support thread.

It's a magic effect shader. Not an overlay. Most mods use magic shaders for graphics like this and only one can be active at any given time. 

You can try using sexlab cum overlays or if there are any other mods that apply cum as overlays.

On 8/1/2021 at 3:18 AM, valeforgery said:

would be the option to have an outfit made up of multiple pieces,

You had to go and throw that spanner into the works didn't you?

Well nvm, there's now an 'accessories' component to it so you can add whatever you want, as many as you want to an outfit. Gonna take a fair amount of configuring though. 

On 8/1/2021 at 9:41 AM, kapibar said:

A thing that strikes me as peculiar is that father never leaves the house. Yes, he's lazy and will use the PC to do his biddings, but it's like his only hobbies are walking around and fucking. The overall experience would benefit from him behaving more like a human being, for example going to the Bannered Mare once in a while. This also opens up a possibility to introduce some kind of event, maybe with the PC secured in the furniture and gangbanged when father comes back inebriated with his drinking buddies.

The second thing that is strange in his behavior is the fact he never sleeps. I know sleeping would make him vulnerable, but maybe it's possible to install locking doors in his room, so he can lock himself for the night.

I don't know if it's doable and/or complicated, just throwing ideas that might give you some inspiration.

There are functional reasons for not having him leaving the home. It's not something I feel like messing with right now. But I'd largely agree. 

 

He is supposed to be sleeping. There is a use package on his bed after hours. He just can't seem to get in for some reason. Packages are tricky like that.

23 hours ago, lcewolf said:

 

All good ideas but the time required.... too much.

[AoE_Freak]

I just experienced an issue where I am not being punished. Whenever I get Father mad, like when I stand on the furniture or mess up when cooking, once I apologize, Father says something ending in "Brutus should be able to fuck that out of you" but nothing happens afterwards. All the other stuff with the horse and punishments has worked for me so far, and I definitely have horse animations for vaginal and anal, so it isn't that.

Edited August 3, 2021 by AoE_Freak

[lcewolf]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

All good ideas but the time required.... too much.

 

Sad but I can easily understand. Time is precious and you have already invest a lot of time on this mod and others.

 

Thank you anyway

 

What about the soap?

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by lcewolf

[Omnishade]

Why is "I'll take the tryhard model" a hard requirement?

[lorddenorstrus]

30 minutes ago, Inception said:

Why is "I'll take the tryhard model" a hard requirement?

It shouldn't be any longer with Monomans editted version.  The original was in heavy development and some required mods never got integrated with the thought process that went with them.  That is one of them, probably had an idea and lacked time to add it.

[Foxcrest]

8 hours ago, AoE_Freak said:

I just experienced an issue where I am not being punished. Whenever I get Father mad, like when I stand on the furniture or mess up when cooking, once I apologize, Father says something ending in "Brutus should be able to fuck that out of you" but nothing happens afterwards. All the other stuff with the horse and punishments has worked for me so far, and I definitely have horse animations for vaginal and anal, so it isn't that.

I have encountered the same bug. handjob apology and milking task work fine, but second brutus apology nothing happens.