Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Silvain]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Right. All the mcm script calls are stuck in the queue with everything else. I guess you could try terminating as many of the OnKeyDown events as possible (should be harmless) and try quickly to bind the keys. Might just be easier to roll back though. 

Rollback was the way to go... But I think I need to reinstall/restart.

 

There is something very funky going on with RND. And it is indirectly tied to Wartimes and other mods that interact with RND from a sexlab side of things.

 

Following situation, no suspended stacks:

- MME milk maid + Milk Addict, MME RND integration enabled

- Open tasks (drink, meal, serve with sex, Milk (6 Units -> it somehow stacked, I set it up to 3), clean)

- SLS installed but without the inflate option for RND

 

Doing the tasks with cleaning makes the Brutus milking quest pop up (at 1am btw, in the middle of the night). And at that point suspended stacks appear again. Something I do within that timeframe causes RND to start freaking out. And that even when I stop RND from the RND MCM.

 

I'm gonna do a step for step save and see where exactly it breaks.

[Monoman1]

36 minutes ago, Silvain said:

Doing the tasks with cleaning makes the Brutus milking quest pop up

Has to be a coincidence. Don't do the cleaning. I bet brutus task will still come up.

36 minutes ago, Silvain said:

at 1am btw, in the middle of the night)

Looks like there's no late check on brutus. I'll look at that. 

36 minutes ago, Silvain said:

And at that point suspended stacks appear again. Something I do within that timeframe causes RND to start freaking out.

There are no instances of TapKey() in wartimes (which is the trigger for this bug). So either:

1. It's a new bug firing OnKeyDown()'s or

2. It's not coming from wartimes.

 

Did you disable compulsive sex in SLS?

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by Monoman1

[Silvain]

7 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Did you disable compulsive sex in SLS?

 

Well now I did and it was the cause. I don't know why, but for some reason I had it enabled. So yes, it was the compulsive sex feature in SLS which starts the problem. And now I feel stupid again. I could have sworn I had that disabled. Sorry for bothering you with this.

[Iroha]

On 7/26/2021 at 5:04 PM, kapibar said:

The most important thing about manipulation is that you have to know when it's possible to apply it as a tool. In Wartimes scenario father gains a number of leverages he can use on the PC, manipulation being one of them. In the Slave Wife scenario there are actually three leverages - first is stockholm syndrome, second - PC's inability to take care of herself and third - the child. If father becomes travelling companion he automatically releases one leverage, loses the second one on the road, until the only thing left is the stockholm syndrome, which can only take you as far. It's one thing to be enslaved by a bunch of bandits or daedric deity, to lose your equipment and be bound in restraints, but one man holding his grip on the player who at some point (dragonborn or not) becomes the force of nature is just hard to imagine. Especially when you factor in the fact that father is no one special, he's just a farmer with delusions of grandeur, but he never in the entire scenario doesn't bite off more than he can chew.

Like I said earlier, RP's suspence of disbelief can only take you so far, at some point even the player will recognize father is nothing more than an irritating flea. And the PC should realize it too, confronted with supernatural stuff, rulers, kings and emperors. Even the most submissive person challenges master's authority to see if he/she is still worthy. And if this happens to father - and I don't believe he'd allow it to happen - he's toast.

You have a point. But pc father may have a secret recipe for keeping daughter obedient as long as he need even if she *will become* dragonborn, actulally i have some ideas. Besides, he is not *just a farmer*, he have connections actually, and possibility to develop it further.

About father as follower - nah, I don't think so too. Im sure there is better timespending for him.

 

 

On 7/26/2021 at 8:42 PM, Silvain said:

 

Ever got a save where something with sexlab just breaks causing every other script to just lag out? Like I'm talking Open UI Menu -> Select "Show Tasks" -> Wait 2 Minutes for it to show up lag. Reloading/Restarting does nothing, only reloading an earlier save helps. And that just happens randomly. So yeah please take everything I said about problems with a good amount scepticism.
 

maybe you have similar problem

Edited July 27, 2021 by Iroha

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, Iroha said:

You have a point. But pc father may have a secret recipe for keeping daughter obedient as long as he need even if she *will become* dragonborn, actulally i have some ideas. Besides, he is not *just a farmer*, he have connections actually, and possibility to develop it further.

About father as follower - nah, I don't think so too. Im sure there is better timespending for him.

Yes, he has some connections, probably in the slave trading circles. It is conceivable that these people have some kind of device that would keep women in line. We know about amputation magic and poisons, so it is not as far fetched as I assumed at first.

Taking father's character into account I think there are two pillars on which a scenario can be developed. First is the boredom. At some point father has already achieved his goals - the daughter gave him a child and she's already broken, so not much fun with her mind. Second, he likes money. It is not hard to imagine that he would order his daughter to earn gold, and lots of it. If she dies in the process - well, life is hard that way. If she survives and earns money - even better. This is where the adventuring could come in play. If he keeps PC in check with some kind of magic or potion - he's secured and has a steady source of income. Maybe a poison that would require taking antidote every 3 days or so?

Thinking about it, there are ways this change in dynamic can be reasonably explained, but at this point I'm out of my depth, as I have no clue how much work this would require.

[DukeDog]

I have been unable to get this mod started I tried uninstalling all mods except requirements and still haven't got it working

[Silvain]

10 hours ago, Iroha said:

maybe you have similar problem

Thanks for the link. I do have the baka edition installed, but I don't use the town NPCs since my towns are quite full already. So far it did not cause any problems. But now I won't change stuff midway just to see how it goes.

 

But it was a SL Survival problem. It was the "Compulsive Sex" feature. The first time it triggered it caused RND to freak out because of some undocumented error that happens with TapKey() commands. Disabling it and reverting to a save that wasn't affected yet fixed every single suspended stack. I normaly turn it off, but somehow it was turned on this time.

 

16 minutes ago, eidod23 said:

I have been unable to get this mod started I tried uninstalling all mods except requirements and still haven't got it working

Try this version - not the one in the download tab.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Silvain

[Guest]

Hi, how i can start the PAH event? My character is slave wife and for the moment not option for PAH event.

[raven_7]

I think it can be developed like this: when you go out to work, you see a dragon, and then you send a letter to whiterun to become a dragonborn. You are now capable of saving your mother, otherwise you will continue to be your father's slave.

Now you can kill your father and move to breezehome with your mother. Then, you can choose to take care of your mother by yourself, so that she will live in breezehome forever. She has a lot of immersive mother’s dialogues, cooking for you, and cleaning the house. This is a good ending. Or, you can send your mother to your uncle, and he will marry your mother, you know, another cycle.

If you choose to continue to be your father's slave, he thinks your power is very useful, and agrees to let you take risks, for some reason? For example, expanding the father's harem? Or make money to build a huge manor? Help him become Skyrim's greatest slaver?

[AylaElfie]

I'm having an issue during the party where Father confiscates the snacks im supposed to bring to guests because of the cumslut task  

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, candibelle said:

I'm having an issue during the party where Father confiscates the snacks im supposed to bring to guests because of the cumslut task  

I can see how that might be a problem

Ah maybe try 'tai' on father until the party is over. 

9 hours ago, raven_7 said:

I think it can be developed like this: when you go out to work, you see a dragon, and then you send a letter to whiterun to become a dragonborn. You are now capable of saving your mother, otherwise you will continue to be your father's slave.

Now you can kill your father and move to breezehome with your mother. Then, you can choose to take care of your mother by yourself, so that she will live in breezehome forever. She has a lot of immersive mother’s dialogues, cooking for you, and cleaning the house. This is a good ending. Or, you can send your mother to your uncle, and he will marry your mother, you know, another cycle.

If you choose to continue to be your father's slave, he thinks your power is very useful, and agrees to let you take risks, for some reason? For example, expanding the father's harem? Or make money to build a huge manor? Help him become Skyrim's greatest slaver?

Too much work I'm afraid. I just haven't got that kind of time. 

 

[Monoman1]

10 hours ago, colton121 said:

Hi, how i can start the PAH event? My character is slave wife and for the moment not option for PAH event.

There's no event in the released version. You just need to be over a certain submission for the options to be available. I can't remember what value. 20 I think. 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I noticed a peculiar functionality some time ago - during the supply quest dialogues with vendors change when the PC doesn't have her mask on. Do you have a "stage" planned where the father takes away the mask and orders PC to do the quest without it from now on, or is it just a bonus?

Also, few things I thought would be worth sharing:
- It would be a cool task if father kicked out the PC completely naked and ordered her to bring him 500 gold, or she remains outside. It would force the player to either beg (SLS), work as a whore or simply steal. All pretty degrading.
- I don't know if you're a fan or not, but whipping is strangely absent from this mod, somthing that could be implemented.
- While I understand gag would make communicating with father quite daunting (something you pointed out few pages ago), there is a nice way it could be implemented - a new slavery stage in which the house is locked by default and the PC has to ask father everytime she wants to leave. Then father could take away all the clothes and order PC to put the gag on in order to make her life more miserable and pathetic (no one is intrested in what slave has to say); of course provided submission & depravity are high enough.
- Since the carriages and DD are already in use I was thinking it would be nice to add yet another challenge - the PC is ordered to go to the carriage driver, then she's delivered to a random location within a reasonable radius from the house, stripped, locked in some heavier restraints and forced to make her way back. If the player uses SLS map mechanics this task would be quite challenging. It also has a bonus psychological effect on the PC, as the world is hostile and dangerous to a restrained female, so father's servitude will seem like a preferable alternative.
- 2000 for mother's healing is - in my opinion - way too little, considering how much her daily healing costs and way to easy to gather this amount of money. I think 5000 would be a more appropriate sum.
- There's a bug in mother's daily healing cost, where father will take anything the PC has in her pocket between 100 and current healing cost (for example if the healing cost is 160 and the PC only has 120, father will take it and it counts as another day paid).

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Do you have a "stage" planned where the father takes away the mask and orders PC to do the quest without it from now on, or is it just a bonus?

Not really. It's just dialogue to cover that particular status. Wouldn't make sense if they treated you the same without your hood. 

But I suppose the route it open. 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

It would be a cool task if father kicked out the PC completely naked and ordered her to bring him 500 gold, or she remains outside. It would force the player to either beg (SLS), work as a whore or simply steal. All pretty degrading.

Mmm. I dunno. I'd be a bit concerned the player would just go "fuck that guy" and never return if it was to cost to return. 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

- I don't know if you're a fan or not, but whipping is strangely absent from this mod, somthing that could be implemented.

Currently working on father beating the player with his fists. Whipping should be a piece of cake if I get it working. 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

- 2000 for mother's healing is - in my opinion - way too little, considering how much her daily healing costs and way to easy to gather this amount of money. I think 5000 would be a more appropriate sum.

On principal I'd agree but I'm afraid it's not as simple as bumping up a value. When is it ever.

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

- There's a bug in mother's daily healing cost, where father will take anything the PC has in her pocket between 100 and current healing cost (for example if the healing cost is 160 and the PC only has 120, father will take it and it counts as another day paid).

Hmm. Thought I fixed that. You running the latest version?

[kapibar]

2 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Not really. It's just dialogue to cover that particular status. Wouldn't make sense if they treated you the same without your hood. 

But I suppose the route it open.

I certainly wouldn't mind this kind of development if you find some more time.

 

4 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Mmm. I dunno. I'd be a bit concerned the player would just go "fuck that guy" and never return if it was to cost to return. 

At any point the player can say "screw it", but the RP factor keeps us in line. At some point PC is so depraved and terrorized that she'll probably bring back the gold in her teeth. The thing about Wartimes is that players who really commit to roleplaying will spend shit ton of time playing this mod, for me it's already full menstrual cycle (14 game days) and my PC is only 2 days pregnant, so it's 28 game days at least until she'll have any real way out. So for me personally few challenges would help pass the time.

 

10 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Currently working on father beating the player with his fists. Whipping should be a piece of cake if I get it working. 

Nice idea. Many mods use whipping, but literal beating is something new.

 

11 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

On principal I'd agree but I'm afraid it's not as simple as bumping up a value. When is it ever.

And here I thought it was simple as that :P.

 

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. Thought I fixed that. You running the latest version?

Yup. On a fresh save.

[excidium93]

Is there a simple way to change to maid outfit?

[lcewolf]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Hmm. Thought I fixed that. You running the latest version?

 

I use the latest version and it's still not working yet. I remade a new fresh game since i was unable to see any PAH stuff and i see him accept (140 gold for 180)(120 for 160) gold.

 

I am not sure why but the first day father appologie option don't appear. The next day it's seem to work. It's a great feature

[Monoman1]

8 hours ago, excidium93 said:

Is there a simple way to change to maid outfit?

Guess it depends on your definition of easy but in general id say no. 

 

The good news is I'm trying to shoehorn some kind of configurable outfit system in. Probably similar to the way piercings are configured - multiple levels (with, hopefully, increasingly skimpy outfits) and ultimately nakedness. Probably still only going to be just barkeep clothes out of the box though as I can't think of anything skimpier in vanilla...

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Monoman1

[jperrins66]

This is just a wish list as I'm very grateful for all your hard work already but if I were adding tweaks ( I got no skill so that's not happening) I'd make it so you could add custom maid outfits to a chest that father would allow you to wear plus another chest for father approved outfits to be worn outside the house once required to be naked inside. I'd also add a quest where father rents you out as a cleaning maid where pay increases depending on if your clothed, topless,naked and ultimately a free sex naked cleaner, plus I'd add a gang bang option to the guard cooking. A radiant prostitution tie in would be nice too, like with submissive lola but where father is your pimp. And If I'm going full wish list here a tie in to public whore where your "lent" to the jarl, maybe instead / as well as being kicked out for low favour and you get enough favour from it to be allowed back in.

 

Like I said just a wish list but if some money thrown at it could make it reality msg me and we'll talk lol

 

P.s. could not get the SSE version to work, so spent 2 days putting LE back on and modding it to hell and am very happy I did.

[excidium93]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Guess it depends on your definition of easy but in general id say no. 

 

The good news is I'm trying to shoehorn some kind of configurable outfit system in. Probably similar to the way piercings are configured - multiple levels (with, hopefully, increasingly skimpy outfits) and ultimately nakedness. Probably still only going to be just barkeep clothes out of the box though as I can't think of anything skimpier in vanilla...

 

 

Maybe the Tavern wench outfit? At least I think it's a bit more skimpy but it could be a mod ?

[kapibar]

45 minutes ago, excidium93 said:

 

Maybe the Tavern wench outfit? At least I think it's a bit more skimpy but it could be a mod ?

Guys, I really don't understand why would you need to change this set of clothes? It's not like they will be worn for long.

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

Guys, I really don't understand why would you need to change this set of clothes? It's not like they will be worn for long.

What's the issue? If you want to keep it the same as older versions you just configure a single outfit...

 

Personally I think the jump from slightly skimpy outfit to completely naked is a bit too fast. Even the original dialogue felt this way - "oh hey, you're a great fuck. You should serve me naked".

 

I think you won't progress to being naked until you've gone through each configured level of outfit. Which looks like 2 levels now - barkeeper and wench outfit. But if you want to go further it should be possible. Right down to nipple tassels if you want. But I'll admit it may cause pacing issues. Sex/rape start may have to revolve around the 'level' of outfit you're assigned. Currently it's based on the number of tasks completed. So it may have to change from this to: 

 

Tasks completed = outfit assigned = sex approach begin etc. 

 

*thinking out loud*

 

Whipping/beating is finished at least. I'm pretty happy with the results. 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

25 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

What's the issue? If you want to keep it the same as older versions you just configure a single outfit...

No issue, I was just curious. To me this outfit was just a stepping stone, and considering how long PC wears it vs how long she serves naked it never occured to me that someone would want to change it. So, nothing more than an honest curiosity ;).

[lcewolf]

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

Guys, I really don't understand why would you need to change this set of clothes? It's not like they will be worn for long.

Agrea

 

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Personally I think the jump from slightly skimpy outfit to completely naked is a bit too fast. Even the original dialogue felt this way - "oh hey, you're a great fuck. You should serve me naked".

 

I think you won't progress to being naked until you've gone through each configured level of outfit. Which looks like 2 levels now - barkeeper and wench outfit. But if you want to go further it should be possible. Right down to nipple tassels if you want. But I'll admit it may cause pacing issues. Sex/rape start may have to revolve around the 'level' of outfit you're assigned. Currently it's based on the number of tasks completed. So it may have to change from this to: 

 

Tasks completed = outfit assigned = sex approach begin etc. 

 

*thinking out loud*

 

Whipping/beating is finished at least. I'm pretty happy with the results. 

 

Set multiple ouftit could be tricky but it would be indeed nice anyway.

 

It's true father is like "greet sex now you will serve me without clothes" it kind of quick too (My opinion). If you planning our character to be naked and you are looking for an alternative. I don't know if you can make multiple requirement but if i could suggest probably after father put the dog next in charge. Since you mother is all the time naked without exception and she is above you, it would make sence you will be to.

(I don't know if it is wanted but the approche about the dog is unlock after the first stage and not at the end of the third stage)

 

If you want to put in fonction an all time naked rule if i could suggest  probably after the shopping list naked without helmet.

 

I think Pchs made a whipped part already in the mod. Nothing advance like the thing you do but when you use the bad girl with a brawl mouth approche at the beggining. You have few option like this unlocked.

 

I suppose Pchs wanted a quick way to pass most the quest and turn you and your mother into slave fast.

 

[leakim]

This mod is great! Thanks pchs so much for creating it and Monoman1 for really taking it to the next level.

 

I am a bit suprised you continue updating the mod, even after indicating you'd see it done, rather than continue updating it. I am not one to complain, though. So I would like to add some suggestions for your consideration:

• Consider integrating devious devices as a temporary punishment instead. As you said yourself, the current "Bondage Job" implementation does not work ideally because it interferes with "Immersive Fashion Job". Using devious devices as a temporary punishment (as an alternative to sex) would allow a more smooth integration. In addition it would allow you to use more punishing variations such as blindhold, armbinder, gags and eventually even pet suits because the punishments only would be temporary. For example: Father could strap you into a pet suit for the rest of the day. Seems hot.
• Consider making a playthrough of the mod a bit more consistent (and reduce randomness slightly) by:
  • Weighting the likelihood various force greet events occur. For example: 
    • HIGHEST WEIGHT: Initial initiate sex interaction force greet
    • HIGH WEIGHT: Punishment force greet (I would personally like to see more of these)
    • MEDIUM WEIGHT: Various "job increment" events (fashion, bondage, etc.)
    • LOW WEIGHT: Fallback interaction
  • Adding a cooldown after a "job increment" force greet, such that these do not happen immediately after eachother. This will prevent immediately incrementing "jobs" to the maximum level over a short period, if unlucky.
• But most importantly, and I can't stress this enough: You should really consider getting the main post updated because this mod really does not get the notoriety that it clearly deserves. Most users of this site won't even know this mod exists.

 

I also got some questions:

• Is the "horse milking" task considered bestiality content and what is the requirements for this to be started? (I have managed to get it started once, but only after having received punishments related to Brutus). If it is considered bestiality content, then I am kinda sad the cellar punishment is hidden behind that, because that is pretty damn hot. Generally I try to avoid bestiality, but I'd enable it for that alone. (I had it disabled because I quickly grew tired of Aldo in my previous playthrough)

 

And a bonus question (that is not directly related to this mod):

• It seems to me that the "breast milk" overlays from MME interferes with the sexlab cum overlays, such that only the breast milk is shown. Is this standard or is it my setup that is borked? As far as I can search, this problem does not seem to be mentioned in the MME support thread.

 

Thanks for the amazing content.