Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[AlphaAndOmega]

Hello. I think I've broken something. The MCM is suddenly gone. I've started the game with it existing and can't find it now after several dozen hours. I've tried forcing mcm update via console but wartimes just does not come up along all others. I did rearrange the load order somewhere along the way, but I don't understand what was the trigger. Is putting the mod almost at the very end a good idea or is there a more elegant solution?

[kapibar]

43 minutes ago, AlphaAndOmega said:

I did rearrange the load order somewhere along the way

Here's your answer. You don't do that if you don't know what you're doing. Sorry, your save is fucked. The only thing you can do is to remove WT completely from your save and hope it won't fuck up everything at some point. My suggestion - restart the game.

[AlphaAndOmega]

4 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Here's your answer. You don't do that if you don't know what you're doing. Sorry, your save is fucked. The only thing you can do is to remove WT completely from your save and hope it won't fuck up everything at some point. My suggestion - restart the game.

Well, that's unfortunate. Guess I'll keep going without the mcm, everything else functions just fine. And there is console to change stuff.

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, AlphaAndOmega said:

Hello. I think I've broken something. The MCM is suddenly gone. I've started the game with it existing and can't find it now after several dozen hours. I've tried forcing mcm update via console but wartimes just does not come up along all others. I did rearrange the load order somewhere along the way, but I don't understand what was the trigger. Is putting the mod almost at the very end a good idea or is there a more elegant solution?

If it were me I'd check the save in Falrim tools to see what I could see. I've never seen the Mcm disappearing myself. 

 

You could try StopQuest pchsWartimes, StartQuest pchsWartimes

but that will reset all script variables back to default and there's more than the mcm script attached to that quest.... (very risky)

[kapibar]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

If it were me I'd check the save in Falrim tools to see what I could see. I've never seen the Mcm disappearing myself.

I've seen it. After few hours of gameplay I encountered multiple random CTD's, some stuff just wouldn't work and auto save took forever. So I'd say the save is fubar, fallrim might help only if you remove all WT scripts.

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

I've seen it. After few hours of gameplay I encountered multiple random CTD's, some stuff just wouldn't work and auto save took forever. So I'd say the save is fubar, fallrim might help only if you remove all WT scripts.

Right. But there's nothing to stop it happening again without investigative/corrective action...

Burying your head in the sand aint gonna help. 

[kapibar]

13 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Right. But there's nothing to stop it happening again without investigative/corrective action...

Burying your head in the sand aint gonna help. 

@AlphaAndOmega said it himself - he messed with the load order. Mid-game rearrengements are usually considered unsafe. Like I said - I did something very similar and broke my save in the process. Honestly, I don't know how we could help without knowing the load order before and after the changes, other than the usual set of advices (clean the save).

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I've been braining about a key moment in the WT storyline, and I think you could spice it up a bit in the new version. I am referring to the first rape that PC experiences. This is the moment when any sane person would run as far away as possible and then go to the police. Meanwhile, in WT, it is simply an event like any other, and if it weren't for the information boxes, there would be nothing particularly groundbreaking about it. And it's a cool moment where certain threads can be pulled nicely. The idea is as follows - after the rape the PC gets a quest in which she has to tell what happened to a guard. As a result of the denunciation, she is escorted back home, her father thanks the guard for his help, and PC is locked in the basement for a re-education course. This would give the player a sense of the utter hopelessness of the situation, and in the process expand the father's influence.

Edited July 25, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I've been braining about a key moment in the WT storyline, and I think you could spice it up a bit in the new version. I am referring to the first rape that PC experiences. This is the moment when any sane person would run as far away as possible and then go to the police. Meanwhile, in WT, it is simply an event like any other, and if it weren't for the information boxes, there would be nothing particularly groundbreaking about it. And it's a cool moment where certain threads can be pulled nicely. The idea is as follows - after the rape the PC gets a quest in which she has to tell what happened to a guard. As a result of the denunciation, she is escorted back home, her father thanks the guard for his help, and PC is locked in the basement for a re-education course. This would give the player a sense of the utter hopelessness of the situation, and in the process expand the father's influence.

I wonder has anyone ever noticed that when you get a beating from father and go to a guard they have some extra dialogue...

 

I add little things like this some times and wonder if anyone will ever notice. 

[kapibar]

14 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I wonder has anyone ever noticed that when you get a beating from father and go to a guard they have some extra dialogue...

 

I add little things like this some times and wonder if anyone will ever notice. 

Fuck, really?!? I had no idea about this ?. But then again, beating is not something extremely unusual, the game itself consists of combat mostly, so having your ass handed to you is not exactly something that would make you go cry to a guard.

I don't want to come off as an ass kisser, but I really appreciate your remarkable attention to the detail. This is the second time you've surprised me with such small things that someone else would have simply ignored, or done in a headlong way (first time was with the virginity check).

[lcewolf]

I think i find a bug with the se version.

I don't know if someone else want to test it but,

 

When i receive a beating my speed increase drasticly.

I can run like the Flash! In the magic effect It suppose to be -105 but i am running so fast since i receive the beating.

[Monoman1]

11 minutes ago, lcewolf said:

I think i find a bug with the se version.

I don't know if someone else want to test it but,

 

When i receive a beating my speed increase drasticly.

I can run like the Flash! In the magic effect It suppose to be -105 but i am running so fast since i receive the beating.

SLS Min AV?

Equip/Unequip something

Draw weapon/Sheathe weapon

[tamai]

12 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I wonder has anyone ever noticed that when you get a beating from father and go to a guard they have some extra dialogue...

 

I add little things like this some times and wonder if anyone will ever notice. 

 

i havent noticed honestly because i just dont like talking to the guards they're mean x_x

[MalibuBattleBarbie]

12 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I wonder has anyone ever noticed that when you get a beating from father and go to a guard they have some extra dialogue...

 

I add little things like this some times and wonder if anyone will ever notice. 

I thought it was a nice touch,  added more depth and color outside of the "home" cell. I came across it when I was checking my crime/bounty level with a guard, (Hey, wait, I know you.) and noticed the new dialog option.

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, tamai said:

 

i havent noticed honestly because i just dont like talking to the guards they're mean x_x

Correct! If you saw a crime - you saw nothing. AGAB.

[numen13]

On 7/25/2022 at 4:23 PM, Monoman1 said:

I wonder has anyone ever noticed that when you get a beating from father and go to a guard they have some extra dialogue...

 

I add little things like this some times and wonder if anyone will ever notice. 

I found it

It was a pleasent suprise

[Anrakis]

Thank you very much for this wonderful mod. It took me ages to discover it and what a pleasent surprise it was. I thought this is just another quick alternative start thing.... and now after countless hours I am still discovering new things. One of the best mods on loverslab and works great in SE. Thanks again!

[manafalls]

Personally, I'd love to see the whiterun market public scene with the dog followed up, next time with a horse.

 

Thanks for all the work on this!

[kapibar]

@Monoman1

A number of suggestions for consideration. Some functional, others purely aesthetic.

-> Vanilla dogs look rather pathetic. Aldo looks more like a flea bag than a defender of the household. I suggest changing him into something more exotic and dangerous - a very (very!) friendly Death Hound.

-> Since you've already introduced locking the door, I suggest going a step further. A 5h time limit outside the house. In addition (I don't know how complicated it would be), I propose that Aldo should follow the PC every time she leaves the house (for protection of course). He wouldn't be a follower, just a creepy stalker. If the 5h limit is exceeded - an information window pops up saying that Aldo has dragged you back home, in the process destroying your clothes. This would force the player to ask the father for a new outfit.

-> Regarding outfits. I propose that when handed a second (more revealing) dress, the player should have the option to refuse to wear it, which would result in the following dialogue:
- Father, I refuse to wear this outfit. It is too skimpy. What will people think?
- So you refuse to accept a generous gift from your own father?

 

At this instant, the father rips off PC's clothes (I think you even have the sound of ripping off clothes in Milk Addict) and takes away her clothing license.

 

- Since you don't want to dress scantily, you won't dress at all and will serve me like a naked pet. If you want to cover your body from lewd glances ever again, you will have to beg me for this skimpy dress.

 

At this point, the player will have a new dialogue option available - beg to get the clothes back (-5 favors):

 

- Father, I beg you to give me back my clothes.

- Kneel before me.

 

PC goes on all fours.

 

- So now you *want* to wear this skimpy outfit? To dress like a little slut? Say it. I want to hear it coming from your mouth.
- Yes, father. I... I want to dress like a little slut.
- Because that's what you are, daughter. Don't forget this lesson.
 

-> I'm testing DD 5.2 and noticed an interesting novelty - not every harness acts as a chastity belt. The slave harness allows penetration, meanwhile there is a separate chastity harness. This would allow adding another level of devices required by the father - slave harness normally, which for a breeding bitch would be changed to chastity harness.

-> Wearing the devices is actually a favour goldmine. I think it should be more 0/1. You either meet the requirements, which means +1 favour, or you don't. The same goes for fashion requirements. It's far too easy to farm favours this way.

-> Above level 50 submission I suggest that the father requirea the PC to wear blindfold at home. At this stage, she should know the household like the back of her hand, and it would represent another level of dependence on father's grace to remove the blindfold only when allowing the daughter to leave the house. Otherwise, she would remain blind and completely helpless. Outside of the house, she would be controlled by Aldo and the time limit, so the player would have no freedom whatsoever.

-> Skin tinting, optional. Father would give PC a special cream, which she would have to apply at least once a day. Each application would change the color of her skin toward that defined in the MCM (by 10%, giving a total of 10 days in-game for a full transformation). Each tinting would result in an information box saying "my skin has become more moisturized and is taking on a lovely color." Thus, the daughter would lose control over even such an elementary part of her body as her skin and gradually transform into her new form of submissive toy. The final application would result in the following message: "My skin has changed forever. I look like a beautiful, ripe fruit, but... By the gods, what am I becoming?"

Edited July 31, 2022 by kapibar

[KittenPen]

On 5/5/2022 at 10:23 AM, Monoman1 said:

Currently slowly retrofitting the party guests with the new food system. Slow work. Any suggestions for:

 

1. Extra party tasks. I was thinking maybe dog sex and/or cum shower (Kneel the PC and play masturbation anims on party guests. Alignment's going to be an issue though...). Maybe put on a particularly revealing outfit... or maybe just asked to put on an outfit that's one level up on the outfit lists. 

 

2. Have noticed that the guest 'hello' comments are fairly limited and they're all pretty severe - "aren't you a nice fuck toy" etc. Looking for snide/sneaky comments that are a little less... direct for early mod parties. Or more nasty ones for later. Knock yourself out. 

Personally it bugs me that father would let his breeder be fucked by his guests. He wants the kid to be his. I think if she's recognized as breeder and not yet recognized as preggers By Father then he either shouldn't be throwing parties or they shouldn't be asking for sex. I can kinda tell how much of a struggle the system is having at keeping things firing at the right times - at least when one is foolishly using AE like I am, but if it could be done, it'd help with immersion - especially since sexlab doesn't seem to like to play along with the rules with filtering lol.

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, KittenPen said:

Personally it bugs me that father would let his breeder be fucked by his guests.

I think it's covered. I never had a situation when one of the guests wanted to shish kebab my PC unless she was already a breeder (which means chastity gear), or pregnant already - in this case they use other holes.

[leakim]

I know this definitely won't be for everyone, but the plugin already has the player manage everything about the PC's body in this mod, so I thought, why not go one step further?

 

This mod certainly has a nice opportunity to integrate with a mod like Pee and Fart [LE, SE]. Would give father additional reasons to be angry with you and more bodily functions to manage and a nice addition to the bathroom you're making. Obviously, optional, like everything else for the weak souls who cannot deal with such things.

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by leakim

[neneXgod]

42 minutes ago, leakim said:

I know this definitely won't be for everyone, but the plugin already has the player manage everything about the PC's body in this mod, so I thought, why not go one step further?

 

This mod certainly has a nice opportunity to integrate with a mod like Pee and Fart [LE, SE]. Would give father additional reasons to be angry with you and more bodily functions to manage and a nice addition to the bathroom you're making. Obviously, optional, like everything else for the weak souls who cannot deal with such things.

 

That's a nice idea. Like the father humiliates the PC by ordering you to piss in front of the party guest etc.

[Anunya]

On 5/5/2022 at 10:23 AM, Monoman1 said:

Currently slowly retrofitting the party guests with the new food system. Slow work. Any suggestions for:

 

1. Extra party tasks. I was thinking maybe dog sex and/or cum shower (Kneel the PC and play masturbation anims on party guests. Alignment's going to be an issue though...). Maybe put on a particularly revealing outfit... or maybe just asked to put on an outfit that's one level up on the outfit lists. 

 

2. Have noticed that the guest 'hello' comments are fairly limited and they're all pretty severe - "aren't you a nice fuck toy" etc. Looking for snide/sneaky comments that are a little less... direct for early mod parties. Or more nasty ones for later. Knock yourself out. 

 

Because I love a brainstorm (even if it's a bit late):

 

Extra party tasks:

 

- Anything to trigger one of Gunslicer's many anims (GS seems pretty generous with permissions) - "Shake your tits for me, there's a good girl," - "you have such a nice ass, how about you get on your knees and wiggle it for me for a bit" etc.

 

- Let's play a game... (simple dice game high roll wins / anything / can adjust the odds). "You win, I give you a nice tip (5 gold), I win I put my tip down your throat (blowjob)."

 

- "Get drinks for everyone! Hurry up!" (serve multiple drinks consecutively with timer running).

 

- "You deserve a little something to make you feel good... why don't you masturbate for us?"

 

- "Oops! I spilled my drink on my shoes. You should lick it up... wouldn't want to waste it."

 

- "Collect everyone's coats/ weapons/ hats / cloaks/ [whatever]" when they arrive first thing, and put them in a chest. Then when the party winds up, bring them their stuff back. Better remember who owns what item or get a smack.

 

- "Let me spank your ass, just for fun. I promise I won't go too hard."

 

- Someone pukes on the floor. Clean it up quick.

 

- "Stick a flute up your ass" (everyone is hugely entertained). I can't remember which mod this is from... is it SLS? Wartimes already? Because if it is, then it's right there to use. But maybe it's from somewhere else? Afterwards, play it (and get disgusted/ impressed comments about ass to mouth).

 

- "Have a drink with me" (could be alcohol, could be whatever wacky lactaid/ alchemy/ cum potions).

 

- "I bet [other party goer] that you'd let me fingerfuck you for 2 gold. How about it?"

 

- Father: "go into the basement to fetch more [ale/ wine/ snacks] for the guests". One or more designated perverts will follow you (if they see you go through the hatch) and proposition you / rape you / blackmail you.

 

- I've always been a fan of the idea that the people you're servicing (guards in the tower, old man on the farm, horse/ dog breeders blackmail or pressure you over what you've done. Things like "if you don't go into the basement and let me fuck your ass, I'll tell your dad what you're doing with my dogs".

 

Party greetings / comments:

 

"Hello there sweetheart"

"Aren't you a pretty thing"

"Hi sugartits"

"Did anyone ever tell you your lips look perfect for sucking cock?"

"I used to think you were such a nice, proper little girl..."

"Why do you let him do this to you? I bet you like it...."

"Are you horny? You look horny"

"You've change a lot... in a nice way."

"You'll do anything your daddy says, won't you?"

"Your dad's done a great job training you."

"I like your outfit."

"You have such a pretty face."

"You're so obedient. A credit to your father."

"Your father works very hard for you. You should be grateful."

"I think about you a lot when I masturbate."

"You're pathetic. Makes me want to fuck you."

 

... as always, take/ modify what you like and discard the rest.

 

 

[audhol]

I wanted to open up more animations for the "Do with my body as you please, father." stage of the pchswartimes quest by adding aditional tags into this script

 

Am I correct in assuming it needs 2 of those tags to pick the animation?

Anyway me being a noobnumpty with CK I can't get it to compile so is it possible for someone to compile it with the aggressive and dirty tags added please?