Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Balgin]

37 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Plan To Escape/Escapes that kill father but can't be linked to the player to avoid the player being hunted/shunned forever.

You know, if the sister is an identical twin there's a rather obvious (and dark) option for faking your own death. Just kill your sister, dress her up like you, then run away.

Generally I prefer the "mother did it" version of killing the father but the sister's corpse could definitely help provide an alternative.

 

Do you have a particular name in mind for the sister or is she just "Sister"? It might be odd being sent out to find her and discover an npc with the name Sister over them whenever they're under the mouse cursor. Of course you've probably been told who to look for. The father and the mother don't have names but if the sister's going to potentially be a follower afterwards then it would be nice for her to have an actual name.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Balgin

[kapibar]

Just now, Balgin said:

You know, if the sister is an identical twin there's a rather obvious (and dark) option for faking your own death. Just kill your sister, dress her up like you, then run away.

Father's not that stupid. He wouldn't fell for it. Plus the huge cock would be a dead giveaway.

[Balgin]

4 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Father's not that stupid. He wouldn't fell for it. Plus the huge cock would be a dead giveaway.

I meant kill father & frame sister for it by leaving her body behind in place of your own.

 

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Plan To Escape/Escapes that kill father but can't be linked to the player to avoid the player being hunted/shunned forever. - performing the Black Sacrament. He's an asshole, it's concievable one of his friends would like him dead. Plus Dark Brotherhood are professionals, they wouldn't allowed this death to be traced back to you. Now as to how to get in touch with the Brotherhood - one of the guests at the party could offer his help because he has a secret grudge against father. All the PC would have to do is lure him to a specific location, then professionals take over.

I actually like this one. It utilises existing lore in an immersive way. It could also be an optional new introduction to the assassin's guild (although I wouldn't want to force the player down one specific path like that in case they didn't want to).

 

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In the "father is pissed" line I'd also add forced fashion, applied by father. PC's head is shaved, he the progressively applies makeup and piercings. When PC submits, he gives her the hair growth potion and dyes her hair. This finalizes her transition into his fucktoy.

 

I like this but without the hair growth potion. One of my personal challenges to increase the difficulty of this mod is to have Our Girl sell her hair for money to pay for her mother's treatment getting a shortish servant type style (not knowing how ironic the choice of such a servile style would be given what's ahead of her) and then regrowing it slowly at a natural rate while her tormentor demands it's growth and punishes her for her original choice. I'm not quite so sure about the father performing the piercings. When sending her away to a professional he seems to enjoy the control of forcing the daughter to go away and get these things done to herself. Just pinning her down and poking holes in her would also show control but it would be over soon. The daughter wouldn't slowly come to realise how she went along with it all along. Having him send her away to do the things to herself (even if she doesn't know what she's getting in to) feels more like the kind of brainwashing that he seems to like.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Balgin

[kapibar]

Just now, Balgin said:

I meant kill father & frame sister for it by leaving her body behind in place of your own.

One problem with that - you'd be dead. Considering SLS introduces a lot of officials who know exactly who you are and you're "in the system" - this shit wouldn't fly. Even if it would, how would you get a license if you're a corpse? Someone would started asking questions, especially if you make a name for yourself. The couriers are able to track you, so it's not like you're invisible to the officials.

[Monoman1]

19 minutes ago, Balgin said:

You know, if the sister is an identical twin there's a rather obvious (and dark) option for faking your own death. Just kill your sister, dress her up like you, then run away.

Generally I prefer the "mother did it" version of killing the father but the sister's corpse could definitely help provide an alternative.

Possible but if he's down to one daughter then he's going to track her down extra hard I'd imagine. 

Ah + I can not rely on the sister being identical since her appearance is configurable. 

++ I think one of the first things Father should do is give his daughters matching but opposite tattoos in a delicate place (Left boob/butt for you. Right boob/butt for her) etc. Any one interested in coming up with a tat? Maybe something like half a heart or something like that, when pushed together form a whole?

19 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Do you have a particular name in mind for the sister or is she just "Sister"? It might be odd being sent out to find her and discover an npc with the name Sister over them whenever they're under the mouse cursor. Of course you've probably been told who to look for. The father and the mother don't have names but if the sister's going to potentially be a follower afterwards then it would be nice for her to have an actual name.

Sister's name is configurable to a certain extent. Current default is "Lilith"

When I say to a certain extent I mean I can set her name to be visible. And I can change the player's text to dynamically change her name but Npcs can not use dynamic text so they will still refer to her as 'your sister' etc. 

 

Like the idea of the black sacrament. Should require rare-ish ingredients to perform. Can only be performed once a day and takes x number of performances to begin assassination...

Edited May 14, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

2 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Like the idea of the black sacrament. Should require rare-ish ingredients to perform. Can only be performed once a day and takes x number of performances to begin assassination...

And it's all bullshit anyway, since currently there's no listener, so the true principal of the crime would be the person who gave the PC this idea in the first place.

[Mushikisai]

50 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I'll just post this updated version here cus nobody ever reads back a page. 

 

Again. Looking for suggestions to fill in the gaps on:

Mother alive benefits

Mother's death consequences.

Mother's healed benefits

Flavor for Sister Becomes Dominant

Plan To Escape/Escapes that kill father but can't be linked to the player to avoid the player being hunted/shunned forever.

Perhaps the death of the mother will make the father's attitude towards PC worse.

For example, PC will eventually be amputated and then reduced to a tool for the father to make money and vent his lust (Public-use)

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, dayangvvv said:

For example, PC will eventually be amputated and then reduced to a tool for the father to make money and vent his lust (Public-use)

Again - one problem. How will you get your limbs back? Amputations are fine and all, but Skyrim's reality is thin as it is, adding more ubelievable stories to it, like limbs magically kept alive just to be reattached - this is some serious stretch.

[Balgin]

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Again. Looking for suggestions to fill in the gaps on:

Mother alive benefits

Mother's death consequences.

Mother's healed benefits

Flavor for Sister Becomes Dominant

Currently, for mother's death we have an xp debuff. Mother being alive could grant a small xp buff as our girl feels positive that she's at least helping pay for her mother's treatment. If not an xp buff then perhaps a carry weight buff to help her with her tasks and duties.

 

The mother becoming a follower could be very tricky if she's had multiple limbs amputated. She might not even be able to walk.

 

The Sister becoming dominant is a tricky one. I can see it going multiple routes depending on if she has a penis. I can imagine the Submissive Lola route after escaping "now dear sister, crouch down and pee just like I used to have to do before I was granted this magnificent organ". Alternatively you could have the sister being concerned and apologetic "please, just let me do this. He'll beat me if I don't do this to you". Very coercive (and later on if she turns nasty then you'll start to wonder if she really meant it or if she was just pretending to trick you).

 

I honestly think you could remove uncle Benji and his content without it affecting the mod very much. As it currently stands the mother tells you to run off to him and either you do or you don't but it's a mod dead end either way. It just feels underdeveloped and if you're wanting to remove the mother from Dragonsreach anyway then you could probably remove all the uncle Benji plotline as well without too much difficulty.

[kapibar]

45 minutes ago, Balgin said:

The Sister becoming dominant is a tricky one.

Hm. I was thinking about it and having/not having a cock is non-factor in my opinion. The thing is, she doesn't need to be dominant at all. She just needs to be dominant towards the PC. I was thinking she would be father's "preferred" slut. She wouldn't be beaten as much, she wouldn't have to wear DD's, be naked and get fucked by the dog. If PC asks father why she's treated better - he could reply with "your sister is a bitch and knows it. You still think that you're a good person who doesn't deserve it". This would establish a certain point of view - the PC is seen as flawed, while the sister is just... better. And she knows it. From here, it's a straight line for her to establish dominance.

Edited May 14, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, Balgin said:

I honestly think you could remove uncle Benji and his content without it affecting the mod very much. As it currently stands the mother tells you to run off to him and either you do or you don't but it's a mod dead end either way. It just feels underdeveloped and if you're wanting to remove the mother from Dragonsreach anyway then you could probably remove all the uncle Benji plotline as well without too much difficulty.

Yes. Am considering this tbh. 

3 minutes ago, kapibar said:

She just needs to be dominant towards the PC.

Exactly. 

Let's not forget that you're the one that dragged her into this. She's going to have a certain animosity towards you...

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Any one interested in coming up with a tat? Maybe something like half a heart or something like that, when pushed together form a whole?

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Edited May 14, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

42 minutes ago, kapibar said:

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Great. Now I just need to figure out how to turn it into an overlay. 

Don't suppose you have a version where white = transparent?

[kapibar]

4 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Great. Now I just need to figure out how to turn it into an overlay. 

Don't suppose you have a version where white = transparent?

I have a vector version if you want it...

 

 

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Edited May 14, 2022 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

2 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I have a vector version if you want it...

I... don't know what that is but I'll take a look...

[kapibar]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I... don't know what that is but I'll take a look...

Added to my previous post. The transparent *.png is also included.

[Monoman1]

 

This will work... I think...

[audhol]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Any one interested in coming up with a tat? Maybe something like half a heart or something like that, when pushed together form a whole?

Like dis?

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[Balgin]

2 minutes ago, audhol said:

Like dis?

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I can see this working if the sister gets one first while you're asleep, the father shows you (or gets the daughter to show you, or she shows you herself "now look what he's done to me") and then later on her forces you to get the matching half. He doesn't need to pin you down and do it himself but he could send you to someone with the right skills, probably taking your sister along to show them what he wants done (even 'though she probably went to the same person in the first place but then, if we are playing up the daughter as naiive.... maybe you had to take your sister there for some treatment in the first place and didn't find out what she'd had done 'til you got home).

[Desvati]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Like the idea of the black sacrament. Should require rare-ish ingredients to perform. Can only be performed once a day and takes x number of performances to begin assassination...

 

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

And it's all bullshit anyway, since currently there's no listener, so the true principal of the crime would be the person who gave the PC this idea in the first place.

The good thing about this scenario, is that because of there being no Listener, the DB get their contracts through word-of-mouth. Aventus was performing the Sacrament over and over until the PC turns up to start the questline. Much the same could be said for the PC here, maybe with a slider or a randomizer for the required attempts?

 

32 minutes ago, kapibar said:

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Looks good, just need to split in the middle and it'll be perfect.

 

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Again. Looking for suggestions to fill in the gaps on:

Mother alive benefits

Bit esoteric, but maybe Father starts "gifting" you jewelry that Mother had for special occasions, necklace etc. that isn't initially but can be tied into the Fashion upkeep, giving you the ability to sell it for more gold, but it might come back to bite you. Could even be topped off with a ring (or a new collar?) when you slavewife it up.

 

2 hours ago, Balgin said:

Currently, for mother's death we have an xp debuff. Mother being alive could grant a small xp buff as our girl feels positive that she's at least helping pay for her mother's treatment. If not an xp buff then perhaps a carry weight buff to help her with her tasks and duties.

An exp buff and/or speech buff could be good as the PC is having a confidence boost from helping. 

[Monoman1]

11 minutes ago, audhol said:

Like dis?

Yup. 

I'm going to guess I'll run into deformity trouble when applying kapibars heart to an actual body due to the curvature of the mesh... 

Depending on where it's applied ofc. Unfortunately, all the best bits are curvy

Edited May 14, 2022 by Monoman1

[audhol]

10 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I'm going to guess I'll run into deformity trouble when applying kapibars heart

I'll make a pair of tats with it and see if you like, here's the ones from the screenshots

DaddyLeft.dds DaddyRight.dds

[Desvati]

17 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Yup. 

I'm going to guess I'll run into deformity trouble when applying kapibars heart to an actual body due to the curvature of the mesh... 

Depending on where it's applied ofc. Unfortunately, all the best bits are curvy

Tramp stamp spot ?

[kapibar]

38 minutes ago, Desvati said:

The good thing about this scenario, is that because of there being no Listener, the DB get their contracts through word-of-mouth. Aventus was performing the Sacrament over and over until the PC turns up to start the questline. Much the same could be said for the PC here, maybe with a slider or a randomizer for the required attempts?

There's also a downside: the PC does not exactly interact with people. So it'd be hard to believe any rumors about her performing the ritual would actually reach the brotherhood. To make it believable, the scenario would require someone from the outside to be informed that she indeed wants father dead. There's also a matter of payment. The Brotherhood is not exactly a charity.

  

13 minutes ago, Desvati said:

Tramp stamp spot ?

Always a good choice! This, or the buttock.

Edited May 14, 2022 by kapibar

[Desvati]

7 minutes ago, kapibar said:

There's also a downside: the PC does not exactly interact with people. So it'd be hard to believe any rumors about her performing the ritual would actually reach the brotherhood. To make it believable, the scenario would require someone from the outside to be informed that she indeed wants father dead. There's also a matter of payment. The Brotherhood is not exactly a charity.

The Sacrament isn't quiet, all it really takes is someone who knows the words to overhear, or someone to catch on when you turn up buying certain ingredients, from there, the rumour spreads (but the time between those coincidences helps make it difficult to achieve, its not something that would happen instantly). There is the matter of payment, though, yes, but with the suggestion of one of Father's friends being the beneficiary we can sort that, or the DB exact payment from you another way.