Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[valeforgery]

11 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Personally I think the jump from slightly skimpy outfit to completely naked is a bit too fast. Even the original dialogue felt this way - "oh hey, you're a great fuck. You should serve me naked".

 

I think you won't progress to being naked until you've gone through each configured level of outfit. Which looks like 2 levels now - barkeeper and wench outfit. But if you want to go further it should be possible. Right down to nipple tassels if you want. But I'll admit it may cause pacing issues. Sex/rape start may have to revolve around the 'level' of outfit you're assigned. Currently it's based on the number of tasks completed. So it may have to change from this to: 

 

Tasks completed = outfit assigned = sex approach begin etc.

 

This sounds really good! I'd been feeling like the required-clothing stage being done with so quickly was a bit sudden, and it also seemed a bit out of step with the fashion stuff to have him take such fine control of the player character's appearance in other ways but be so abrupt in handling her body clothing.

 

If you're already thinking about adding multiple levels of outfits and letting the player maybe configure what they are (even if just through making a patch themselves to change which items are considered relevant), one thing that I'd personally appreciate - if it's possible - would be the option to have an outfit made up of multiple pieces, rather than just the one body-slot piece. There are some modded outfits that I'd like to be able to set as required, but because they're made up of multiple different pieces (e.g. a top and skirt) I wasn't able to switch the requirements over easily with a simple patch.

[kapibar]

13 hours ago, leakim said:

• But most importantly, and I can't stress this enough: You should really consider getting the main post updated because this mod really does not get the notoriety that it clearly deserves. Most users of this site won't even know this mod exists.

⬆ This! It's really a crime that this mod is recognized by only a handful of people who know how much effort and thought went to its development and how it changed from what is available in the main post. I actually found out that it was overhauled by sheer luck.

That being said, I have few more thoughts for @Monoman1 consideration.

A thing that strikes me as peculiar is that father never leaves the house. Yes, he's lazy and will use the PC to do his biddings, but it's like his only hobbies are walking around and fucking. The overall experience would benefit from him behaving more like a human being, for example going to the Bannered Mare once in a while. This also opens up a possibility to introduce some kind of event, maybe with the PC secured in the furniture and gangbanged when father comes back inebriated with his drinking buddies.

The second thing that is strange in his behavior is the fact he never sleeps. I know sleeping would make him vulnerable, but maybe it's possible to install locking doors in his room, so he can lock himself for the night.

I don't know if it's doable and/or complicated, just throwing ideas that might give you some inspiration.

Edited August 1, 2021 by kapibar

[lcewolf]

7 hours ago, kapibar said:

⬆ This! It's really a crime that this mod is recognized by only a handful of people who know how much effort and thought went to its development and how it changed from what is available in the main post. I actually found out that it was overhauled by sheer luck.

That being said, I have few more thoughts for @Monoman1 consideration.

A thing that strikes me as peculiar is that father never leaves the house. Yes, he's lazy and will use the PC to do his biddings, but it's like his only hobbies are walking around and fucking. The overall experience would benefit from him behaving more like a human being, for example going to the Bannered Mare once in a while. This also opens up a possibility to introduce some kind of event, maybe with the PC secured in the furniture and gangbanged when father comes back inebriated with his drinking buddies.

The second thing that is strange in his behavior is the fact he never sleeps. I know sleeping would make him vulnerable, but maybe it's possible to install locking doors in his room, so he can lock himself for the night.

I don't know if it's doable and/or complicated, just throwing ideas that might give you some inspiration.

I think he have some kind of "routine" where father goes to Whiterun up to the tavern. But this part of the mod is in the version "Enslaved" (When your PC answer badly to the father) and has never been finished.

 

Adding a locking door is quite a good idea. This could be used as a trigger mechanism.

We might have to wake up our father in certain situations where he would either be upset or happy.

 

Exemple:

- The dog that wakes you up at night and you go complaining at father. (With multiple stage. He will be probably upset)

 

- You have to give him all your inventory which he puts in a chest in is room each day and ask him each day for it content. (He Could be upset/happy if it's too soon or too late. He might be angry if the content is given too late and if you wake him up too early for getting the content). (At some point you no longer have any furniture other than the bedside table in your room

 

-Your PC could try to open the door by stealing the key of father or with a lockpick which could bring a high punishment.

 

-At some point,Your father could keep your savings in a chest apartment and do not give you all the content forcing the player to attempt to steal his contained.

 

-After the curfew your father could lock the main entrance door. which would lead to a punishment if you arrived too late. In the morning you might have to ask him to unlock the door earlier. (Father I would like to go wash myself in the lake before there are too many people. Could you unlock the entrance door?)

 

@Monoman1 I don't know if you have planned at some point that our PC receive soap for wash herself in the back lake outside. This door could be used to ask our father for soap. At some point you father could control when you will bathe. When the level of submission and depravity is more important your father could only give your soap at hours or there are people present around who would look at you. It could be used as an incentive to go as close as possible to your home while father keeps your inventory and get you out naked only with soap.

 

 

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

I think he have some kind of "routine" where father goes to Whiterun up to the tavern. But this part of the mod is in the version "Enslaved" (When your PC answer badly to the father) and has never been finished.

Yeah, I know. I've been using this mod for years (there was an older version, before this one), although I'm not sure if father's behavior can be defined as routine. He just walks to the Bannered Mare, and since the PC is enslaved via SD, she's forced to come with him. I don't know if this is still present in the most current version. This original Wartimes was extremely underdeveloped.

[lcewolf]

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

Yeah, I know. I've been using this mod for years (there was an older version, before this one), although I'm not sure if father's behavior can be defined as routine. He just walks to the Bannered Mare, and since the PC is enslaved via SD, she's forced to come with him. I don't know if this is still present in the most current version. This original Wartimes was extremely underdeveloped.

True i play with this mod since the first version. I am not sure if it is still present either. When Phcs made the ''new version'' of Wartimes i was amaze with all he have done. It's was quite original and seriously out of the box thinking. Sad he stop but the version of monoman1 is more intense.

[kapibar]

5 hours ago, lcewolf said:

True i play with this mod since the first version. I am not sure if it is still present either. When Phcs made the ''new version'' of Wartimes i was amaze with all he have done. It's was quite original and seriously out of the box thinking. Sad he stop but the version of monoman1 is more intense.

It's quite funny, what started as an introduction to SD was developed so heavily that SD was actually limiting in comparison. Pchs did an amazing job, I was really surprised this mod never had the notoriety it deserved. Monoman's version took steps in an intresting direction, making the original work very unique experience, at this moment it's the best starting scenario there is, not even a contest. It does exactly what it's supposed to do - introduce the player to many mechanics and demands of LL mods, plus allows for early bug diagnosis. The potential of this mod is huge, even after all this time.

Edited August 2, 2021 by kapibar

[Monoman1]

Sorry folks. I'm having a hard time even keeping up with the forum atm.

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

Consider integrating devious devices as a temporary punishment instead.

Yea. That would have been a better idea in retrospect. Working around or replacing the current system is a bit of PITA though so don't know that I'll touch it at this stage. + I'm sure there are people using DD that don't use YPS that might lynch me for changing it. 

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

Consider making a playthrough of the mod a bit more consistent (and reduce randomness slightly) by

Personally I like the randomness. 

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

But most importantly, and I can't stress this enough:

Won't happen until the mod is ready to return tbh.

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

Is the "horse milking" task considered bestiality content and what is the requirements for this to be started?

Yes ofc. It requires horse handjob animations. Billy's pack has a few. 

You must have already given Brutus a handjob - this is probably only doable via the apology system. So you have to fail something. 

On 7/31/2021 at 8:24 PM, leakim said:

It seems to me that the "breast milk" overlays from MME interferes with the sexlab cum overlays, such that only the breast milk is shown. Is this standard or is it my setup that is borked? As far as I can search, this problem does not seem to be mentioned in the MME support thread.

It's a magic effect shader. Not an overlay. Most mods use magic shaders for graphics like this and only one can be active at any given time. 

You can try using sexlab cum overlays or if there are any other mods that apply cum as overlays.

On 8/1/2021 at 3:18 AM, valeforgery said:

would be the option to have an outfit made up of multiple pieces,

You had to go and throw that spanner into the works didn't you?

Well nvm, there's now an 'accessories' component to it so you can add whatever you want, as many as you want to an outfit. Gonna take a fair amount of configuring though. 

On 8/1/2021 at 9:41 AM, kapibar said:

A thing that strikes me as peculiar is that father never leaves the house. Yes, he's lazy and will use the PC to do his biddings, but it's like his only hobbies are walking around and fucking. The overall experience would benefit from him behaving more like a human being, for example going to the Bannered Mare once in a while. This also opens up a possibility to introduce some kind of event, maybe with the PC secured in the furniture and gangbanged when father comes back inebriated with his drinking buddies.

The second thing that is strange in his behavior is the fact he never sleeps. I know sleeping would make him vulnerable, but maybe it's possible to install locking doors in his room, so he can lock himself for the night.

I don't know if it's doable and/or complicated, just throwing ideas that might give you some inspiration.

There are functional reasons for not having him leaving the home. It's not something I feel like messing with right now. But I'd largely agree. 

 

He is supposed to be sleeping. There is a use package on his bed after hours. He just can't seem to get in for some reason. Packages are tricky like that.

23 hours ago, lcewolf said:

 

All good ideas but the time required.... too much.

[AoE_Freak]

I just experienced an issue where I am not being punished. Whenever I get Father mad, like when I stand on the furniture or mess up when cooking, once I apologize, Father says something ending in "Brutus should be able to fuck that out of you" but nothing happens afterwards. All the other stuff with the horse and punishments has worked for me so far, and I definitely have horse animations for vaginal and anal, so it isn't that.

Edited August 3, 2021 by AoE_Freak

[lcewolf]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

All good ideas but the time required.... too much.

 

Sad but I can easily understand. Time is precious and you have already invest a lot of time on this mod and others.

 

Thank you anyway

 

What about the soap?

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by lcewolf

[Omnishade]

Why is "I'll take the tryhard model" a hard requirement?

[lorddenorstrus]

30 minutes ago, Inception said:

Why is "I'll take the tryhard model" a hard requirement?

It shouldn't be any longer with Monomans editted version.  The original was in heavy development and some required mods never got integrated with the thought process that went with them.  That is one of them, probably had an idea and lacked time to add it.

[Foxcrest]

8 hours ago, AoE_Freak said:

I just experienced an issue where I am not being punished. Whenever I get Father mad, like when I stand on the furniture or mess up when cooking, once I apologize, Father says something ending in "Brutus should be able to fuck that out of you" but nothing happens afterwards. All the other stuff with the horse and punishments has worked for me so far, and I definitely have horse animations for vaginal and anal, so it isn't that.

I have encountered the same bug. handjob apology and milking task work fine, but second brutus apology nothing happens.

[lcewolf]

1 hour ago, Foxcrest said:

I have encountered the same bug. handjob apology and milking task work fine, but second brutus apology nothing happens.

You probably miss the animation. Try to add billy animation.

[Iroha]

2 hours ago, Foxcrest said:

I have encountered the same bug. handjob apology and milking task work fine, but second brutus apology nothing happens.

that topic is linked to other dialog topic without goodbuy.

So your problem: your topic has goodbuy flag or you miss scripts(which starts sexlab animations) connected to linked topics. Script name in the picture is not for starting sexlab scene, but in the next linked dialugue topics tthere are. That is just example.

I presume there is something wrong with flags in your plugin. LE/SE?

Ofc, there may be other reasons - I didn't tried last version myself yet, so can't tell if all is fine with it...

Edited August 3, 2021 by Iroha

[Monoman1]

12 hours ago, Foxcrest said:

I have encountered the same bug. handjob apology and milking task work fine, but second brutus apology nothing happens.

Detected no issues today during my speed run of v6.3. Progressed all the way through. Maybe I fixed it. Who knows.

19 hours ago, lcewolf said:

What about the soap?

Ah I dunno. I kind of want to get back to my own mods at this stage.

 

[Monoman1]

Posted 6.3.

 

Updates for Wartimes and SLS. 

 

[Samson Nite]

Dear Silvain, SE conversion for 6.3 LE please........!

[Samson Nite]

Nooop. My bad. Sorry Silvain, it is not new version of Monoman. Just notice. I was just happy a bit early.......

[Monoman1]

26 minutes ago, tamai said:

@Monoman1  Ive always had an issue with mother having a neck gap meaning like you can see through her neck, I can fix the issue by setting her weight from 0 and then back again to 100 any idea why this is? not sure if its just on my end

Ah it's in my compiling profile while she's wearing the tunic but not while she's naked. I'm pretty sure for me it's just messed up outfit bodyslide in my CK profile. 

I'd have to check my main profile to be sure. 

[Monoman1]

Oh btw @Anyone doing SE conversion. 

Outfits.json will likely need to be converted too due to the difference between PapUtil LE and SE. 

[AoE_Freak]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Detected no issues today during my speed run of v6.3. Progressed all the way through. Maybe I fixed it. Who knows.

I just tried out the new update and sadly I am still having the same issue with not being punished. Maybe starting a new game will fix the issue? Whenever I apologize to father, he says that Brutus could fuck me as punishment, but instead of giving me an opportunity to say something, the conversation ends and I never get a chance to fuck Brutus or regain the favor I lost. I know it isn't an issue with the animations, because I got the animation pack that was recommended a few times earlier and installed all of the horse-related animations a few days ago, and I have even seen some of them while playing. 

 

Also, thanks for all of the work you've put into this mod, it is really great!

 

[Silvain]

I was asked to remove the files. Please don't ask me for the SE versions. 

 

A little report with a few mini instructions. SLS (0.685) and Wartimes 10.3 work with Skyrim VR.

 

Spoiler

You need the VR versions of all the SLS requirements:

 

- Get Papyrus Util VR (under Miscellaneous files): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/13048?tab=files

- Get Powerofthree's Tweaks SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51073

- Get Powerofthree's VR Tweaks and overwrite the SE version: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/59510

- Get the regular Papyrus Extender for SE: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22854

- Get Papyrus Extender VR (this replaces the DLL): https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/58296

- Get the experimental Simply Knock DLL (under Optional Files) and overwrite the original mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24297?tab=files

- Get your relevant Sexlab Framework Patches here: https://www.loverslab.com/topic/132489-skyrim-sexlab-and-vr/ (personally I quit using SLSO cause I never got it to work without everything spinning my sanity into the abyss but theoretically it should work)

 

- Make absolutely sure that Papyrus Util VR is overwriting everything. Simply Knock as well as Campfire (when playing with Frostfall) have old versions bundled into them which makes ordering these mods a pain in the ass.

 

Optional but highly recommended Papyrus Tweaks:

- Get VR Address Library: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/58101

- Get Papyrus Tweaks and see if the experimental Papyrus function works for your mod setup: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/77779

-> papyrus go brrrr

 

Also very much recommended:

- VoiceMakro https://www.voicemacro.net/

 

My VR Headset (PICO 4) has a built in mic. I kind of expect other VR Headsets to have that as well. With VoiceMakro you can set specific phrases to certain key presses.

For SFW example: I use every imaginable iteration of "hello" for the "e" button (to activate NPCs with a greeting) and every variant for "goodbye" for "esc" to abort conversations.

 

Buuut the most exciting thing is that this works with custom Mod hotkeys aswell. I currently can use voice recognition to activate the SLS All in One menue, the different poses/idles Wartimes needs and several other mod features that just didn't were accessible before because VR just doesn't have enough keys to map.

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Silvain
WT 10.3, SLS 0.685 update

[lcewolf]

2 hours ago, tamai said:

Im using the latest version and I may be doing something wrong here but i keep getting a notification that says something like "need to get more supplies soon" i recall him mentioning belthor so i went up to talk to belethor there was no dialogue i could choose that woudl satisfy the quest that i saw and father mentioned giving me money and items but he had never given them to me yet.

Also I had an idea for a task, maybe another task could be feeding the puppy!

I got this too. First thing my father ask me Day 0, my first force greet in a fresh new game.

I don't see the option either.

 

The next day my father did ask me the supply run and the option appear normally.

Edited August 4, 2021 by lcewolf

[kapibar]

If anyone has problems with values in .json files for clothes and devices (I know I had), here's the tutorial from @Monoman1 himself with detailed description on how to do it:
 

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1. Get A List Of FormIds in Decimal:

Open the mod you want to get the FormIds for in TesEdit. Select all the items you want to export. You can use click and shift + click to select a bunch of records at once. And use Ctrl + click to select/unselect individual records. When you're happy with your selection right click on any selected record and choose apply script. Select AT - Quick Display. A box will pop up. In the top box type 'FULL'. All caps, no quotes. Check the 'Export as csv' button. Press Ok. TesEdit will begin spitting out the information you need. 

 

If you're doing this to create a BikiniArmor.json then make sure it is ARMO records you are selecting. Not ARMA!

 

When it's finished navigate to your TesEdit folder '\TesEdit\Edit Scripts\'. Inside there will be a new file called 'exported.csv'. Open it in Excel.

 

You also want to install this addon to Tes5Edit:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/49373

[Monoman1]

On 8/4/2021 at 12:40 AM, AoE_Freak said:

I just tried out the new update and sadly I am still having the same issue with not being punished. Maybe starting a new game will fix the issue? Whenever I apologize to father, he says that Brutus could fuck me as punishment, but instead of giving me an opportunity to say something, the conversation ends and I never get a chance to fuck Brutus or regain the favor I lost. I know it isn't an issue with the animations, because I got the animation pack that was recommended a few times earlier and installed all of the horse-related animations a few days ago, and I have even seen some of them while playing. 

 

Also, thanks for all of the work you've put into this mod, it is really great!

 

Sounds like a hole in the dialogue conditions. On checking there's a check for dog handjob animations instead of horse handjob animations. Try this esp and let me know. 

<snip> for version 6.3 only!

 

On 8/4/2021 at 1:01 AM, tamai said:

Im using the latest version and I may be doing something wrong here but i keep getting a notification that says something like "need to get more supplies soon" i recall him mentioning belthor so i went up to talk to belethor there was no dialogue i could choose that woudl satisfy the quest that i saw and father mentioned giving me money and items but he had never given them to me yet.

Check the quest log. It should tell you what to do. Generally the supply run starts with talking to father to get the gold and list. So I'm not sure if there's something wrong or you guys are misunderstanding how the supply run works. Haven't changed much to do with the supply run this update other than the time check.

 

Edit: On speed run test I can't see any issues. 

 

On 8/4/2021 at 8:08 AM, kapibar said:

with detailed description on how to do it:

Just to point out that since posting this guide an issue with PapyrusUtil SE has come up where FormIds should be added in hexadecimal with a 0x in front for SE users. Which is actually somewhat easier. 

 

I wonder does LE read hex... would simplify things. Though why did I start converting them to decimal to begin with then? The thought of converting all my jsons though.... *shudders*

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Monoman1