megamantaray Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said: I've shared mods and helped people fix their games more times than I can count. What the fuck have you done here? 1/ Understood the purpose of social media sites without acting superior to people who use them or demeaning them, despite not actually using the big ones myself. 2/ Become aware of and acknowledged the fact that every website with a forum is "social media" including this one. 3/ Given tips here and there and back in the day posted fairly actively, though that doesn't mean anything. 4/ Not based my worth around whether or not I've posted or helped people, and not given that a value I can use to question other people's worth. 5/ Remained civil, like the rest of the people in the thread sharing their opinions on the site's activity without getting aggressively defensive.
DoctaSax Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Nothing ever really changes about modding sites: people don't read the OP, do they. ?
davisev5225 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I'm amused that we can now openly blame leftists for causing the problems that they do. I once blamed the "liberal thought police" for some stuff, and got reprimanded for it. Now we can openly call them out for their bullshit? Awesome! On a more serious note, I generally agree that people are leaving for reasons that have already been posted: Lack of new games, and existing ideas have already been explored Overzealous, power-tripping moderators Leftists / liberals trying to argue everyone into conformity Life in general getting in the way ... and I probably don't care that much either. Video games in general have been declining in quality, they're now just about getting the latest cash grab to make Timmy beg his parents to fork over their credit cards. It's no longer about art, vision, and story, now it's just about DLC, micro-transactions, and ongoing income. Unless and until that changes, I doubt we'll see very many great story-driven games with modding support in our future. ?
Alter Native Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Blaming leftists and libtards on an (more or less international) website with openly accepted rape mods, torture, bestiality and any other kind of fetish and sexual preferences is honestly a bit ridiculous.
Psalam Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 I would like to leave off the "political" blame game. I am old enough to match you a right wing atrocity committed in my lifetime for a left wing one (and vice versa). As @DoctaSax rightly pointed out, that was not the point of this thread. I think I have received some very insightful thoughts from people and would hate, after my original post decrying those who broke LL's rules, that this thread should join that unfortunate history. Please take your political insights somewhere else. But please bring your passion here and direct it at making this community a better place to visit and the home of terrific mods.
MadMansGun Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Quote In an effort to keep the site & community inviting and friendly we do not allow several categories of conversation. This is not intended as censorship or endorsement of any particular view, but rather a move to keep this site neutral and open. The categories of conversation that are not welcome include those discussing politics and religion. Too often these discussions descend into pointless bickering and lead to offending one party or the other (if not both). This sends the wrong message of what this site is all about. There are plenty of forums, blogs and other online outlets available for these types of conversations, this site is not one of them. in other words both the "left" and "right" can fuck off, i've seen the moderators lock down topics from both sides so calling them "liberals" and "nazis" is stupid. also insulting moderators and then wondering why they are "censoring" you is completely retarded.
davisev5225 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MadMansGun said: also insulting moderators and then wondering why they are "censoring" you is completely retarded. I think I'm the only person so far to point a finger at LL's mods. Everyone else has talked about mods on other websites. And for the record, while I believe LL's mods power trip a little too much, they're definitely far from the worst offenders. That's why I'm still here.
Psalam Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, davisev5225 said: I think I'm the only person so far to point a finger at LL's mods. Everyone else has talked about mods on other websites. And for the record, while I believe LL's mods power trip a little too much, they're definitely far from the worst offenders. That's why I'm still here. And I'm glad that you're still here. Once again, nothing is helped by playing "the blame game." Much can be accomplished if we can work with and help each other though. I admit that if LL were my site it would have fewer rules. It is NOT my site, it is Ashal's. And, as @FauxFurry has correctly (in my opinion) pointed out, I believe the moderators have hit "the sweet spot" in enforcing those rules. They have, in my experience, been willing to give a poster enough rope to hang themselves (as my father would have said).
gregathit Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, davisev5225 said: And for the record, while I believe LL's mods power trip a little too much, they're definitely far from the worst offenders. That's why I'm still here. You can't please everyone, nor should anyone waste their time doing so. You try to be fair and consistent. Every umpires strike zone is just a tad different from their fellows. Moderators are human after all. I can't think of a single moderator that I've come across here during LL's history that wasn't willing to hear out someone else, provided that they were approached in a civil manner. We are the forum police, most of the time we aren't noticed, nor should we be. But when someone screws up, it isn't fair to blame us for handing out a warning. It isn't like our warnings cost anyone money. If we are too soft, then folks ignore our warnings, if we are too harsh, folks could end up banned for minor and/or petty infractions. It is a thankless and often burdensome load that we elected to carry. That we each volunteered to do so means we clearly aren't the smartest people in the room.
spartan40 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 15 hours ago, Alter Native said: Skyrim and Fallout are both pretty old. It's normal for people to leave communties for whatever reason. In a healthy community those get replaced with new people, but since both games are fairly old and no new game is on the horizon less people enter the communtiy and thus it's shrinking. I think it’s more this than anything else. It’ll be close to ten years or more between Skyrim and the next Elder Scrolls game release. Even Fallout will have had a long time before it’s next game. I’d bet that once the next game comes out things will pick back up. Those days will come back, you’ll see. ??
Kendo 2 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 This thread... Ok, sure. The Leftists on this site DON'T get threads they personally disagree with locked on purpose. Yeah, that never happens. ? And of course people don't get discouraged knowing that whatever they post gets scrutinized by a handful of authoritarian assholes who giggle when they get their way. 'Politics' has everything to do with how these people act and they are ON THIS SITE. Pretend all you want.
27X Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Kendo 2 said: This thread... Ok, sure. The Leftists on this site DON'T get threads they personally disagree with locked on purpose. Yeah, that never happens. ? And of course people don't get discouraged knowing that whatever they post gets scrutinized by a handful of authoritarian assholes who giggle when they get their way. 'Politics' has everything to do with how these people act and they are ON THIS SITE. Pretend all you want. Nah, It's just everything to do with how you act. It's all you ever talk about. Ever. You're literally physically incapable of not talking about it at the highest pitch possible. You claim none of this exists at NSFW, but NSFW talk section is you echo chambering The Quartering and each and every instance you can. and every. and all. opportunities. The problem isn't screechy progressivists, it's you screeching about screechy progressivists. It's all you do. It's all you're about, and look how effective it's been. The best part is two of the mods have pretty much the same views as you but can't get in a reasonable word edgewise over your Elk rut 150 decibel braying after the libtard alarm next to your bed with the mechanical spring on it to shoot you out of bed onto the interwebs so you can furiously type with no momentum lost goes off. We could be talking about the latest modding thing or sexy this or fetish that, but no somewhere there are secret commies bringing down western civilization as we know it. The sweet irony is this is who you sound like. Both of them.
Jexsam Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Strangely enough, the most threads I've ever seen locked are ones you've barged into and starting screaming in. Also, TESEyeCandy didn't run into trouble until you wormed your way in. I don't know the details, but the gist I got from other members was once you started whispering into GinnyFizz's ear, that's when everything started going to hell, so you can take your juvenile anti-Left diatribe on that front and shove it.
Kendo 2 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jexsam said: Strangely enough, the most threads I've ever seen locked are ones you've barged into and starting screaming in. So people breaking forums rules is MY FAULT. Okay...sure..whuddever. 1 hour ago, Jexsam said: Also, TESEyeCandy didn't run into trouble until you wormed your way in. I don't know the details, but the gist I got from other members was once you started whispering into GinnyFizz's ear, that's when everything started going to hell, so you can take your juvenile anti-Left diatribe on that front and shove it. You don't know what happened but you have and uninformed opinion that I was wrong. Huh...huh... The schism at EC started when your buddies Aragorn and Hellknight started playing favorites with people they liked and going after people they didn't. ME: 'Treat everyone the same.' THEM: 'No.' They acted like the site was their personal sandbox and after Obama won the election they started going after anyone who said anything negative about him. If that's not Leftists being Leftists on a game site then I don't know what is.
MadMansGun Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Psalam said: They have, in my experience, been willing to give a poster enough rope to hang themselves a sad example at work: 1 hour ago, Kendo 2 said: You aren't worth consideration. ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddenqErLL0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9GY-n6PEA 1 hour ago, Jexsam said: Strangely enough, the most threads I've ever seen locked are ones you've barged into and starting screaming in. sadly by the looks of it this is about to become another one.
Kendo 2 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, MadMansGun said: sadly by the looks of it this is about to become another one. YES, because I'M the one launching personal attacks and calling people out....NOT. Treads get locked all the time on this site; threads I never see or post in. But do you know who does see them and post in them? The same people crying like toddlers in this thread. I'm not the common denominator, they are. And the staff is aware they do this; Doc Sax even admitted it. He knows they react like spastic Commies every time someone says something they don't like. It's not their fault they don't know how to behave, it's MINE because I dared to say something they didn't like. So again; the Leftists on this site make it decidedly UNFUN to post on. EDIT: I've had my say. I now return you to the scheduled game of naked Leftist twister.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 13 hours ago, megamantaray said: 1/ Understood the purpose of social media sites without acting superior to people who use them or demeaning them, despite not actually using the big ones myself. 2/ Become aware of and acknowledged the fact that every website with a forum is "social media" including this one. 3/ Given tips here and there and back in the day posted fairly actively, though that doesn't mean anything. 4/ Not based my worth around whether or not I've posted or helped people, and not given that a value I can use to question other people's worth. 5/ Remained civil, like the rest of the people in the thread sharing their opinions on the site's activity without getting aggressively defensive. You seemed to insinuate that I might have something to do with people leaving the site- that's what I was more or less defending. And as far as acting superior, you're the one throwing out little snide remarks and thinly veiled insults. There's a difference between laughing with someone rather than at them. How many times have you complained that people shouldn't say anything if you don't agree with them?
megamantaray Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said: You seemed to insinuate that I might have something to do with people leaving the site- that's what I was more or less defending. And as far as acting superior, your the one throwing out little snide remarks and thinly veiled insults. There's a difference between laughing with someone rather than at them. How many times have you complained that people shouldn't say anything if you don't agree with them? Yeah I gave you a sassy little rundown of what a social media site is because you didn't seem to know what they're about and implied people who used them were idiots. I also listed 5 things I do on the daily that make me a decent human being, and I've yet to insult you.* You're just throwing fucks around like it's a fire sale, which is fine, I have a lot of friends that like cursing, maybe calm down a bit? Quote me saying that people who disagree with me shouldn't say anything, though. *- That's not really a list of 5 things I do now that I think of it, 2 of them are things I don't do because they would make me a boob. Corrected, my bad. Edit: Also yep, toxic behaviour will definitely scare people away. Totally dismissed that in my head, now my reply is complete :L
Æly Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Lack of new games with mod support which will become very rare in the future thanks to monetization, modders getting older with other responsabilities and priorities, games getting older and ppl losing interest over time, community drama, less interest in learning how to make mods and the far leftist PC culture plays a part too specially with the LL kind of mods. Modding really slowed down a lot maybe Cyberpunk or Elder Scrolls 6 will make it popular again someday but we are entering a dark age when it comes to game modding in general.
Mr. Otaku Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 This thread is becoming exactly what it set out to discard, passive aggressive political flame war. But if this thread does get locked it would still prove the original point. Anarchy or totalitarianism, centralisation or atomisation, left or right, both sides become the same if you go far enough into either, both lead to deaths. But liberty is the one true good, and it doesn't have a faction. Problems always arrive when politics tries to sell liberty in exchange for control disguised as security.
zax Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I think the modding slowed down in general, for some reason, and it's unrelated to LoversLab. Even on Nexus, there's barely full tab of new mods per day (Fallout4) and slightly more for Skyrim (mostly waifu followers). Skyrim is ancient, so it's understandable, but why hasn't the Fallout4 modding picked up yet?
Mr. Otaku Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, zax said: ...why hasn't the Fallout4 modding picked up yet? Fallout 4 is the second biggest on Nexus by mod counts and downloads alone, so it's not like it didn't pick up, it's just not as big as Skyrim yet, which came out long ago and had a massive head-start in the area. You'd think Skyrim SE should be the second biggest since most of the mods in LE need to be ported to SE and it'll catch up or even surpass LE, but nope, Fallout 4 is still above SE. But yeah modding slows down at some point, it's only a matter of time. In a million years when TES6 comes out Skyrim modding will slow down as well, we'll also see a lot of ports from Skyrim to TES6 maybe. Or maybe Bugthesda will run the company to the ground before that happens, or, TES6 will be a giant cash grab and nobody will mod it while TES fades into obscurity.
KoolHndLuke Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, zax said: why hasn't the Fallout4 modding picked up yet? From what I read from some of the better authors for FO3/FNV, they hated modding this game. Belthan (Quo Vagis, Coito Ergo Sum) wrote that modding FO4 made him physically sick. Someguy2000 (New Vegas Bounties) wrote something along the same line. I personally don't think the game is anywhere near as good as it should have been. I'd like to hold out hope that Beth's next release will put things right again, but I really don't believe that. Like you say, some of the more experienced mod authors seemed to have left the scene for good.
27X Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, zax said: I think the modding slowed down in general, for some reason, and it's unrelated to LoversLab. Even on Nexus, there's barely full tab of new mods per day (Fallout4) and slightly more for Skyrim (mostly waifu followers). Skyrim is ancient, so it's understandable, but why hasn't the Fallout4 modding picked up yet? Pretty simple. A lot of people don't like the setting. A lot more people don't like the FO4CK.
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