sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[pinky6225]

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

6 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Broke DoM in what way? Mine seems to be working

 

Only oddity i've noticed so far is that slaves over the new combat cap have been set back to 0 rather than being at the new cap (i.e. was 624 and is now 0)

that is indeed odd, unless @TrollAutokill fixed the faction limitation of combat training and didn't mention it. everytime my slaves broke that faction barrier they were reset to 0 so anything past 200 wouldn't stick

 

Had my slave much higher than that, it was the one i posted about awhile ago asking if you had meant to increase the cap so much. After doing the reboot she is now showing 0 in Pah MCM/ DoM dialogue and with the slave info spell

 

The reboot itself also seems to take a lot longer now than i recall

[Martok73]

11 hours ago, Will55 said:

Thanks for the prompt reply. I can see where you are going but it is not correct. I usually only clone to save and as followers although Mena was a sudden lust exception.

 

The clones are not that many Including the Muiri addon victim who is still at the Gnisis Corner club, Mirabelle at the College who runs the Dawnstar player home, Vittoria who works at the college, Mena and someone else whose name escapes me. I will add Susanna in my next run as a clone rather than a Rez as she is now and living in Proudspire. I saved Margret but she is hopeless alive. I intend to enslave the emperor as well as the client who ordered his death. and the Penatus Oculatus leader All will be very difficult to complete, and I wonder if cloning will bypass the problems as I want to release the emperor once they think that he is dead (his clone will be).

 

The clones are all followers EXCEPT the Imperial captain who was rez'd or enslaved rather than cloned, Astrid, Gabriella and the Thalmor Wizard(deserved) plus Salonia who attacked my char and deserved it just like the latter. Neither Astrid nor Gabriella could be followers with the DB quests still ongoing.

Some have been hookers but all are at the various homes: Sigrid the original is steward of Windstadt  which was a mistake as if she is sent home she cannot be replaced so I should clone her when I go there next and send the clone home as I did with Mena.

The original intent was just to save them from Beth death. Sorry about the disconnection here as I am constantly interrupted.

I don't make slaves followers as I have way too many followers already and don't need to add to the chaos. Muiri I can understand kinda cause she also wanted to the sister killed. She can be enslaved as normal after her quest for the DB are done and it has no effect on anything after that. In order to save the sister and the mother, both would have to be enslaved, then I suppose they could just be freed but unless they have been fully trained and are eligible to be followers I think PAHE would "delete" them, or is it SLEN that saves them form digital death if you free them? I honestly can't remember. I save Margret but have never enslaved her, I just let her live out her life as is. I've only don't the Forsworn conspiracy quest chain one time and honestly was not a fan of it, so I haven't done it since, meaning I have no interaction with anyone else other than Margret and without doing the quest she's just an ordinary npc. I don't remember who Mena is off the top of my head and I haven't ever enslaved or rez'd to enslave Susanna either. Honestly the thought never crossed my mind. 99.9% of the time I never enslave men as that's not my thing, so the Emp. the guy that wanted him dead, and almost all other men that have in some way or another "wronged" my character's end up dead.

 

I would like to at some point try enslaving Astrid and Gabriella I just don't know if that is even possible without cloning them ahead of time the way you have in order to get around the scripted death and crispy corpses. I've already enslaved Salonia as she's a bitch and it doesn't hurt or hinder anything to grab her whenever you run into her before the wedding, "IF" you run into her before the wedding anyway, as I have 2 chars that have not met her at all and have already finished the DB questline. Vittoria isn't difficult either and can be grabbed during the quest to kill her. I grabbed her last night and the quest completed and her dialog is fine from what I can tell, at least so far anyway. What Thalmor wizard? I am curious as to why you enslaved Sigrid? You are talking about Alvor's wife Sigrid in Riverwood right? I haven't seen anything that would give reason to enslave her unless I'm missing something.

 

7 hours ago, Will55 said:

To Martok73

 

The mod for the Simple farmhouse is one that I have no idea why I have it, nor from whence it came. _SHC2.

It is one of the pre-modmanager mods that I still have. Its value is in its position and it is free with alc/ench facilities and no mesh problems.

 

I also tried to rez the long dead Imperial captain but had no luck so I used her console code and now have her. 1000 hps and still a b*tch.

Here is the map for that farmhouse:

Honestly have never heard of that before. Shame tho with the captain having to spawn her in. So I am guessing the only way to get her without console is to do the vanilla start then huh?

[Martok73]

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

yes

that's disappointing

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ok, hopefully soon, long as i don't need another new save before hand

awesome that'd be fantastic

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

disrespect "usually" is based on a combination of their respect training, their emotions, and finally random chance, but in the current version they're mostly set to finally start learning from their training. it gets more difficult to train them past 80 respect cuz their emotions are cut off from their greetings at that level. this new learning system is developed to prevent the bug of always disrespectful. in the old way it was still possible for a max trained slave to be a royal bitch

ahh ok, well that makes sense, however I have noticed just last night which this may be a new bug, that two of my brand new slaves after being gaged, tied, whipped and fucked a couple times, now have 100 sub and resp and for some reason just those two are still giving me the dialog of "I thought I told you to address me properly". I have untied them and removed their gag and even went as far as to remove everything from their inventory, but those two still give me that dialog when I first interact with them. I have been ignoring it since they have both 100 sub and 100 resp. But thought you might want to know the dialog is still showing up. It's only for those two slaves tho and I currently have 25 on that specific character.

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

tieing them should still increase their pose training, haven't changed that recently and i have many slaves tied up and getting trained while tied. try a reboot from the status screen in mcm

ok I'll give that a try and see what happens.

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

i'm actually considering adding a clone target spell and enslave target as clone spell with a difficulty level on the spell to match its cunning

I would guess the reason would be to get around the few npcs that are either difficult or almost impossible to enslave thru normal means? Such as Astrid, Gaberiella, etc..? You are planning on leaving in the current methods of enslavement tho right? and only adding these in as options? Sleeping, or paralyzed targets being easy to enslave makes sense, but for me having the health option for a perfectly awake and aware npc is really nice for that little bit of challenge and planning, But that's just me.

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

guess that depends where you find her corpse, like will found susanne in the hall of the dead. if you get susanne while she's still at the scene of her death, she has all the wounds and scars forever, same will happen to astrid if you rez her from the burnt corpse

Ok, so if you run the DB questline to completion, then where would you find Astrid's corpse for later resurrection and enslavement? Susanna is in the hall of the dead, but where would Astrid and Gaberiella be? I wouldn't think they'd be in a hall  of the dead somewhere, and if they were I'd have no clue as to which one to check or how long to wait before looking for them? I definitely do not want crispy critter corpse slaves, that's just eww.

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

oops, lol. guess that would be why that was changed...i'll restore the other whip for next update

cool

 

2 hours ago, Will55 said:

 

What happens if when you "finish her off" as she desires, that you simply enslave her then rather than just kill her and an all out rez?

It would be her clone and in theory that should not be burnt.

WRT Susanna I did a player.moveto her refl id while I was in the hall of the dead.

There were several coffins but none with her name. I had already tried to rez her from the reflex id in the town itself and failed.

So for the hell of it I did a prid, rez, disable, enable at that spot and almost fell off my chair when she walked past my char.

I actually said to her: "beware the butcher!" And she replied: "Don't frighten me like that!". 

This would have been 80+ levels since her death.

I think that possibly once enough time has passed the game just drops the now superfluous burn/slash textures etc. and the unique NPC in the game memory reverts to her initial state. This gives IMVHO hope for Astrid being rez'd much later on in her initial state, but she will, of course have the DB speech lines unless you can change that.

That is, unless the first line method works.

I have beheaded an NPC and rez'd him (spell..Midas IIRC) and he arrived with his head still on. This magic stuff is bloody marvellous  ?

I'm still confused on exactly how you rez cloned Susanna, did you rez her in the hall of the dead or out in the spot where she died? Where would you even look for Astrid after completing the DB and the sanctuary corpses going away after some time passes? On my mage/necro char I've exploded a npc on accident when I wanted to enslave them and had to use a resurrect spell to "bring them back" and they were fine and not an ash pile. So yeah it works for generics, but I'd worry about trying it with uniques tbh.

 

3 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

added a whip hotfix for current version users to remove the enchantment from the whip

nice

[CliftonJD]

3 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Had my slave much higher than that, it was the one i posted about awhile ago asking if you had meant to increase the cap so much. After doing the reboot she is now showing 0 in Pah MCM/ DoM dialogue and with the slave info spell

 

The reboot itself also seems to take a lot longer now than i recall

hard to tell what's going on since you're already getting weird combat training cap results, normally i would expect reboot is also still part of dom. in pahe the reboot hasn't changed anytime recently, but if for some reason your scripts are switching from dom to pahe mid-save, that would likely slow down in the transition for the first reboot

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

however I have noticed just last night which this may be a new bug, that two of my brand new slaves after being gaged, tied, whipped and fucked a couple times, now have 100 sub and resp and for some reason just those two are still giving me the dialog of "I thought I told you to address me properly". I have untied them and removed their gag and even went as far as to remove everything from their inventory, but those two still give me that dialog when I first interact with them. I have been ignoring it since they have both 100 sub and 100 resp. But thought you might want to know the dialog is still showing up. It's only for those two slaves tho and I currently have 25 on that specific character.

that's an old bug, usually that's the coveted respect bug ppl would use or abuse to max out their respect. might take another look at that dialogue tree for a fix after the other respect changes are finished, think last i heard it was 1 those bugs ppl would rather not fixed

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I would guess the reason would be to get around the few npcs that are either difficult or almost impossible to enslave thru normal means? Such as Astrid, Gaberiella, etc..?

ya, i'm thinking to force the auto-namer for better immersion on those npc's and if possible i'd like to disconnect the clone enough to remove any active quests since the original actor is still there for quest purposes...not so sure its possible tho so here's to hopin

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

You are planning on leaving in the current methods of enslavement tho right? and only adding these in as options? Sleeping, or paralyzed targets being easy to enslave makes sense, but for me having the health option for a perfectly awake and aware npc is really nice for that little bit of challenge and planning, But that's just me.

 

definitely

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Susanna is in the hall of the dead,

this:

5 hours ago, Will55 said:

WRT Susanna I did a player.moveto her refl id while I was in the hall of the dead.

There were several coffins but none with her name.

 

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Ok, so if you run the DB questline to completion, then where would you find Astrid's corpse for later resurrection and enslavement? Susanna is in the hall of the dead, but where would Astrid and Gaberiella be? I wouldn't think they'd be in a hall  of the dead somewhere, and if they were I'd have no clue as to which one to check or how long to wait before looking for them? I definitely do not want crispy critter corpse slaves, that's just eww.

that's 1 the things has me thinking about adding the spell mentioned above, dunno bout gabby, but astrid has to be enslaved before the questline is completed if you don't want crispy critters. think it was will mentioned a copy of astrid enslaved at the shack

2 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I'm still confused on exactly how you rez cloned Susanna, did you rez her in the hall of the dead or out in the spot where she died? Where would you even look for Astrid after completing the DB and the sanctuary corpses going away after some time passes? On my mage/necro char I've exploded a npc on accident when I wanted to enslave them and had to use a resurrect spell to "bring them back" and they were fine and not an ash pile. So yeah it works for generics, but I'd worry about trying it with uniques tbh.

from what i gather, it happened in the hall of the dead, but it wasn't any body from the hall of the dead. just the console id, if using that method to bring them back, will work on any of them, just have to be careful with astrid not to get the wrong variant --both normal or burnt are still astrid with only a slight difference to the editor id

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by CliftonJD

[CliftonJD]

1 hour ago, Pfiffy said:

So it is working as far as it can. I still have to figure out the dialogue conditions to make it work more than once and still use the manipulator to strip bribed Hookers. I think I did enough for today.  

ok, i'll use this chance to sync up, then send you the scene quest properties updated and the 3way dialogue fixes and the training responses removed from the dance topic in hooker 5:

SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp AIBB_TIF_ThreesomeScene.pex AIBB_TIF_ThreesomeScene.psc

haven't tested all combinations yet, but that works for the first 4 slaves. next will be the 5th slave and the watcher script

[Antiope_Apollonia]

14 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

That one worked for me pre-reboot and post-reboot, double checked just now and also works pre-warning/promising and post

Strange.  I tried reinstalling PAHE 8.0.9, and I got the same result again, loading DoM after PAHE in both cases.  Reverting to 8.0.7 fixed everything.  

[Pfiffy]

9 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ok, i'll use this chance to sync up, then send you the scene quest properties updated and the 3way dialogue fixes and the training responses removed from the dance topic in hooker 5:

SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 957.53 kB · 0 downloads   AIBB_TIF_ThreesomeScene.pex 7.26 kB · 0 downloads   AIBB_TIF_ThreesomeScene.psc 6.72 kB · 0 downloads

haven't tested all combinations yet, but that works for the first 4 slaves. next will be the 5th slave and the watcher script

Thank you!

Are this new bugs you found, or old ones I forgot to fix? 

It's funny: The longer I work on this, the less I think that I really know what I am doing. I wonder why this is working so far. 

 

 

A question about the dressing dialogue: 

 

What does: akSpeaker.SetPlayerTeammate(true, true) exactly do?

 

I copied it from the fragments of the add-on. As I understand it it turn the bribed hookers into followers. Do I need this? 

 

Edit: there is still the protected/essential thing....

 

As far as I understand it, It is a setting in the ref alias. I have to change that for every ref alias in every quest, right? 

 

 

EDIT: I took a closer look a merging the add-on into the Paha tdf-patch. Because I made too many edits in the legendary version, I tried it with nyctophilias original this time. Seems like I need to rebuild the Config menu quest and the RoamingHookers control quest to avoid problems. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Pfiffy

[Will55]

9 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I don't make slaves followers as I have way too many followers already and don't need to add to the chaos. Muiri I can understand kinda cause she also wanted to the sister killed. She can be enslaved as normal after her quest for the DB are done and it has no effect on anything after that. In order to save the sister and the mother, both would have to be enslaved, then I suppose they could just be freed but unless they have been fully trained and are eligible to be followers I think PAHE would "delete" them, or is it SLEN that saves them form digital death if you free them? I honestly can't remember. I save Margret but have never enslaved her, I just let her live out her life as is. I've only don't the Forsworn conspiracy quest chain one time and honestly was not a fan of it, so I haven't done it since, meaning I have no interaction with anyone else other than Margret and without doing the quest she's just an ordinary npc. I don't remember who Mena is off the top of my head and I haven't ever enslaved or rez'd to enslave Susanna either. Honestly the thought never crossed my mind. 99.9% of the time I never enslave men as that's not my thing, so the Emp. the guy that wanted him dead, and almost all other men that have in some way or another "wronged" my character's end up dead.

 

I would like to at some point try enslaving Astrid and Gabriella I just don't know if that is even possible without cloning them ahead of time the way you have in order to get around the scripted death and crispy corpses. I've already enslaved Salonia as she's a bitch and it doesn't hurt or hinder anything to grab her whenever you run into her before the wedding, "IF" you run into her before the wedding anyway, as I have 2 chars that have not met her at all and have already finished the DB questline. Vittoria isn't difficult either and can be grabbed during the quest to kill her. I grabbed her last night and the quest completed and her dialog is fine from what I can tell, at least so far anyway. What Thalmor wizard? I am curious as to why you enslaved Sigrid? You are talking about Alvor's wife Sigrid in Riverwood right? I haven't seen anything that would give reason to enslave her unless I'm missing something.

 

Honestly have never heard of that before. Shame tho with the captain having to spawn her in. So I am guessing the only way to get her without console is to do the vanilla start then huh?

Now I don't make slaves followers either. TBPH I did initially, hoping for convenience, but using the group command simply failed WRT slaves and each one had to be given individual instructions which is a right PiA if you are dragging a lot around. 

 

CliftonJD PLEASE NOTE!

IN FACT...having an overall GROUP COMMAND STRUCTURE for following slaves would make life considerably easier instead of this wading through the multiple speech lines to say "sandbox around here" or "follow me".

 

I never enslaved Muiri in the end. She is a fulltime ceiling inspector in Solitude now (AKA Hooker). But in my next run... hmm.

 

I would like to know as well about how to send the two Shatter-Shields back alive. I companioned Nilsine then made her the Gnisis hooker then with the DB cloned her and killed the clone. I tried to clone mother to save her but IIRC both died (uncertain..I just could not find either one). Unfortunately attacking the clone has damaged the speech lines for Nilsine (amazing how no one else saw that bolt nor my stealthed char) and I may have work to do here.(dismiss, enslave or???).

I saved Margret but she has only one speech line, is ugly and I could not be bothered in doing more. Personally IMO I probably should have let him kill her or i should have enslaved her as there is always someone who likes uglies.

 

Mena is the Sybil's mother and like Sigrid was a pure lust object as Skyrim MILFs have an incredible zest for "life". Both had to have their arousal rate dropped or they never got off the floor/bed/whatever. When I used the female housecarl mod for Windstadt I could not get the new girl (lovely mature areolae) as steward so I asked Sigrid.

The Forsworn chain does not really need Margret except as a corpse. I have to go back to the Talos temple to be captured but I want to unload or sell my stolen gear first so that is on hold.

 

I don't enslave males either but somehow saving the emperor appeals (but how?) while enslaving the other two if only to sell them to fellglow appeals (certainly the Breton...the other fellow was just doing his job so I may drop him).

In theory when you enter the castle to poison the understudy (or just after you step outside after doing so) you could save Gabriella by moving her to your position, (need to make her a companion so as to TP her) telling her to wait, finishing off the attackers then fast travel to the nearest landmark with her, telling her to wait then charging in to the sanctuary alone. I would prefer to leave her outside of Solitude as the peri sanctuary area is thick with enemy but..

 

Astrid was copied and the copy enslaved in the shack. Usually I bewitch Astrid first for the hell of it. Have to start that training.

 

In the thalmor headquarters is a female Thalmor wizard who in my game was less ugly than usual but she really liked my (then) 3 hookers (all of them one after another) as all were blond Nords but refused to pay one and became nasty when confronted. It took some effort to obtain the gold and her comments really annoyed me, so I intended to sleep enslave her but wondered as she was a unique and decided to copy her instead. She is now a tame randy slave.

[Gukahn]

5 minutes ago, Will55 said:

I saved Margret but she has only one speech line, is ugly and I could not be bothered in doing more. Personally IMO I probably should have let him kill her or i should have enslaved her as there is always someone who likes uglies.

Put a hood on her, sing the anthem and do it for the motherland? ? Haven't found a replacer that doesn't make her look odd.

 

Problem

Spoiler

 

Solved

Spoiler

 

Still thinking about how to edit the traits of some uniques.. Haven't figured out how to make one a good trainer or a submissive pet to be? 

 

You Dudes really should think about enslaving some males..Brynjolf lived my last save als Haelgas Boytoy and it was hilarious ?

[Will55]

4 hours ago, Gukahn said:

You Dudes really should think about enslaving some males..Brynjolf lived my last save als Haelgas Boytoy and it was hilarious ?

Yes Sibbi BlackBriar would do nicely there. If only he were alive.  

I guess that I can rez him.

 

Any other well-known hated b*stards around?

That slime who took over the meadery in Whiterun seems a likely.

Nepo the Nose in Markath. Rez him too.

Erikur in Solitude once you no longer need a fence.

etc.

 

And I will enslave Maven Black Briar as she really is keen on my char who is yet to be umm, errr  tempted (the things you have to do for power)

My first male char who did make that mistake could not escape her.

Seeing as her daughter was my still keen hooker a quinella is on. Pity about granny and the trifecta though ?

The problem is that she will run Riften after the imperial win. I guess that if she is my toy girl that should be interesting: "OK jarl, Not in the mood today so play with yourself for a change" . I can see the look on her face already.

 

I also wonder if I can duplicate and enslave the copy of the Riften jarl? A granny slave would give the Riften home some polish IMO

Edited February 6, 2022 by Will55

[Gukahn]

17 minutes ago, Will55 said:

Any other well-known hated b*stards around?

As i added now all 3 Destroy Mods from CommanderShrekard (thieves guild, Brotherhood and Companions.) i don't really have a shortage of Slaves to be ? My Pc would never join the companions as a vampire.. But i'm going to have Ria as my favorite. Planing to break Aela with her..But the sheer number of Members of all 3 guilds will force me to cherry picking, so i only go with Ria,Aela and the Twins.. Brotherhood is easy with the only 2 Women plus gender bend cicero (yes i did it.. But only cause i liked her looks and would kill or enslave him anyways.. Bye BroCicero., Helloo SisCero.)

Thieves guild will be harder.. Much harder. Vex is a must for i need her to debug them with the gold payment, Sapphir.. Maybe not this time, same for the Redguard Fence.Brynjolf has to be part and Karliah will always take part.. As for the others.. Mercer i think is too much, just going to cruzifix him infront of the gates. Let the vultures get him. Other then that.. Hemir and Muiri are on my Wish List and acutally 2 i going to keep for myself..  

 

but apart from my plans, without the mods there are always some dudes you wanna punish for the shit they`ve done. Take Leigelf for contracting the Brotherhood to kill his Wive or enslave Heimskr to shut him up ?

 

 

[Gukahn]

On another note, did one of you try this mods with Pahe to make your slaves work for you at farms and mines? Debating with myself if i should risk it.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/50620

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/63172

[Will55]

1 hour ago, Gukahn said:

On another note, did one of you try this mods with Pahe to make your slaves work for you at farms and mines? Debating with myself if i should risk it.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/50620

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/63172

The succubus one looks interesting. thanks for that.

There are enough political incubuses around to need a mod

I use the sassy teens mod but always finish up dumping them all in a house as they can drive me crazy. 

I guess what we are seeing there, is anime with better graphics. I would check the voices first as if the modder is Asian they could drive you crazy.

I guess we will be lucky if they don't have breasts the size of watermelons.

 

Ohh and I will enslave Margret and see how she shapes up as at least then she will have >1 speech line. Probably do her a favour being tongue tied and all. ?

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Will55

[Gukahn]

2 minutes ago, Will55 said:

I would check the voices first as if the modder is Asian they could drive you crazy.

I guess we will be lucky if they don't have breasts the size of watermelons

both things i can fix easy with SSedit and i do not care about their looks, i was more interested in potentially making my Slaves actual do something useful for a change?

[CliftonJD]

4 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

Thank you!

Are this new bugs you found, or old ones I forgot to fix? 

It's funny: The longer I work on this, the less I think that I really know what I am doing. I wonder why this is working so far. 

 

lol, the scene quest properties were posted on the previous page, but you couldn't find them in the ck. no idea why you didn't fix them from xedit when you found the bugs from xedit.

the dance topic for hooker 5 i forgot to report when i found it. the 3 way fixes are new bugs i found that prevented the script from doing anything. seems the portion of the dialogue listing fragments was removed from most hooker 3way options

4 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

A question about the dressing dialogue: 

 

What does: akSpeaker.SetPlayerTeammate(true, true) exactly do?

 

I copied it from the fragments of the add-on. As I understand it it turn the bribed hookers into followers. Do I need this? 

ya, that's what we use on slaves when we order them to fight for us. no reason to use this for hookers. lol, its immersive wenches!

4 hours ago, Pfiffy said:

Edit: there is still the protected/essential thing....

 

As far as I understand it, It is a setting in the ref alias. I have to change that for every ref alias in every quest, right? 

ya

4 hours ago, Will55 said:

Now I don't make slaves followers either. TBPH I did initially, hoping for convenience, but using the group command simply failed WRT slaves and each one had to be given individual instructions which is a right PiA if you are dragging a lot around. 

 

CliftonJD PLEASE NOTE!

IN FACT...having an overall GROUP COMMAND STRUCTURE for following slaves would make life considerably easier instead of this wading through the multiple speech lines to say "sandbox around here" or "follow me".

if/when the whistle still works, that's what it was designed for

1 hour ago, Gukahn said:

On another note, did one of you try this mods with Pahe to make your slaves work for you at farms and mines? Debating with myself if i should risk it.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/50620

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/63172

oh, she's cute. seems the maker didn't do their homework:

Quote

I can't completly remove the Timer since Skyrim don't realy wanted a Summon methoed like this.

there are skyrim spells to summon a permanent variant and there's even a shadow spell from the db questline that summons a permanent shadow.

[Gukahn]

11 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

there are skyrim spells to summon a permanent variant and there's even a shadow spell from the db questline that summons a permanent shadow.

That's true but nothing a quick visit in SSedit wouldn't fix ? Will look into it next week that i test it's features with Pahe together. probably will suck but i just want to see it's worth the trouble.

[CliftonJD]

34 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

both things i can fix easy with SSedit and i do not care about their looks, i was more interested in potentially making my Slaves actual do something useful for a change?

hmm, not seeing any info about slave labor in the description, but a mod requiring that mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/52187 . now that mod mentions a mine and farm and a copy of the mark hotkey as a mark and enslave spell and even mentions ability to integrate pah slaves into its mod using the same spell

[fred200]

Astrid has two base IDs; the burned one and the not burned.

I use player.placeatme for the not burned one. Works fine.

Atrid is immune to paralysis, so I waited until she walked away, then shot her with an arrow. Once in bleedout, she enslaves fine. Even says "Well done".

 

[Will55]

21 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

hmm, not seeing any info about slave labor in the description, but a mod requiring that mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/52187 . now that mod mentions a mine and farm and a copy of the mark hotkey as a mark and enslave spell and even mentions ability to integrate pah slaves into its mod using the same spell

 I must find room for that. I cannot wait to see some daedra doing farm work or an atronach earning its keep for a change but it will at least have a role for Haelga's leftovers

an dmight make males worth enslaving (sure! with already too many slaves)

Mind you, I am daydreaming as I have had crash after crash tonight. F4 I can understand as I am new to many of the mods.

But now SSE has become temperamental and getting the animations down to the required number involves chopping and changing and infinite FNIS runs.

[Gukahn]

30 minutes ago, CliftonJD said:

hmm, not seeing any info about slave labor in the description, but a mod requiring that mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/52187 . now that mod mentions a mine and farm and a copy of the mark hotkey as a mark and enslave spell and even mentions ability to integrate pah slaves into its mod using the same spell

yeah my stupid brain forgot the third link i had tabbed ?

[fred200]

PAHE 8.07SE, HSH 1.26SSE, AYGAS .58B SSE, AE

 

I have a new, very unexpected problem between PAHE and HSH. I could use some tips...

This is a clean playthru, testing a friends mod. Started at lvl 1 in Helgen.

No mods added or deleted since starting.

 

I am now lvl 50. Guild Master, head of DB, Emperor dead. Nothing with Vampires or Solstein.

 

53 slaves in training in Lakeview Manor. Taskmistress handles training.

I fetched Legate Rikke with the Time to go. My intent was to sell her to Falk.

She was removed from HSH, but did not show as a PAHE slave.

I tried to re-enslave her. The dialogue options I get are Cancel Enslavement and Talk. No enslave option. She just walks away.

I was able to enslave her after recycleactor, and got her sold to Falk. Strange says I...

 

A bit later I port to Markarth. When I zone into the keep, one of the slave trainers ports in next to me, with her trainee, and says "I have trained this slave as far as I can"'

Well done says I - and immediately transfer her and trainee to PAHE. They are removed from HSH - but not added to PAHE.

Generic dialogue options - not PAHE, not HSH.

Both get the "Cancel enslavement, Talk" dialogue options on Enslave. This is beyond strange... I give up and come here.

 

Under "normal" circumstances if I get a HSH glitch, I transfer all the slaves to PAHE and reinstall HSH. That obviously won't work this time.

 

I will add - with the latest support file updates, AE works really well. Nothing here indicates an AE problem.

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by fred200

[Will55]

35 minutes ago, fred200 said:

Astrid has two base IDs; the burned one and the not burned.

I use player.placeatme for the not burned one. Works fine.

Atrid is immune to paralysis, so I waited until she walked away, then shot her with an arrow. Once in bleedout, she enslaves fine. Even says "Well done".

 

Well done! ?

I don't recall her being immune but it was 80+ levels ago and it does not surprise me as IIRC her clone was difficult to subdue.

[CliftonJD]

48 minutes ago, Will55 said:

an dmight make males worth enslaving (sure! with already too many slaves)

lol, we can also think of it as another place to park our slaves when we have too many

55 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

yeah my stupid brain forgot the third link i had tabbed ?

lol

51 minutes ago, fred200 said:

She was removed from HSH, but did not show as a PAHE slave.

I tried to re-enslave her. The dialogue options I get are Cancel Enslavement and Talk. No enslave option. She just walks away.

if something goes awry in hsh, we can't enslave them per musje's request. hsh slaves belong to the "do Not enslave" faction

53 minutes ago, fred200 said:

Under "normal" circumstances if I get a HSH glitch, I transfer all the slaves to PAHE and reinstall HSH. That obviously won't work this time.

somewhere in this thread is pahcommands:

PAHcommands200921-SE.zip

try that to restore them to pahe control

[Pfiffy]

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

lol, the scene quest properties were posted on the previous page, but you couldn't find them in the ck. no idea why you didn't fix them from xedit when you found the bugs from xedit.

During the last week I didn't found anything in the CK or xedit....I was tired all the time and haven't slept well fore some time. Next week will be better, I got the late shift. 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

the dance topic for hooker 5 i forgot to report when i found it. the 3 way fixes are new bugs i found that prevented the script from doing anything. seems the portion of the dialogue listing fragments was removed from most hooker 3way options

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ya, that's what we use on slaves when we order them to fight for us. no reason to use this for hookers. lol, its immersive wenches!

Ok, I will remove it, because it makes the hookers fight for me... and killing potential slaves... I just have to make sure that the dialogue only appears if I talk to Hookers. I will need your help on getting access to the clothes, but that's not so important now. 

2 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

ya

 

shit.... Ok, if it is just that, It is the work of a day...(hope dies last)

[fred200]

Well - this was most - unsatisfactory.

Meriam showed up in Markath. Not on the HSH roster, not on the PAHE roster.

Additional dialogue control gave me "shorten your leash".

This gave me most of the PAHE dialogue - and she follows.

Still not a PAHE slave or HSH slave.

If I paralyze her, I still get the Cancel enslave or Talk.

I am about to ask for how to cancel "Do not enslave" faction. It has things bolluxed.

 

I am sort of guessing I overloaded HSH with 53 slaves in Lakeview. I never went that high before... 30 seems like a good upper limit.

 

I tried removing the "noenslave" faction. After Paralyze, I have the option to "enslave slave".  I do not get the enslaving dialog.

Looks like this slave has a full set of dialogue options  now - but she is still not on the MCM PAHE list of slaves.

 

Meanwhile, I am transferring all the slaves I can out of HSH and leaving them tied up. Lakeview Manor is like a war zone. They are all fighting...

 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by fred200