sse Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) Special Edition with the customary addons

[Martok73]

14 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

if the slaves saw the furniture properly you wouldn't need an external mod to lock them into it without escape....they would see it as zaz furniture and be unable to escape from it merely for it being zaz furniture.

 

14 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

this is my point, if the slaves were able to see zaz furniture in se like they do in Le, you wouldn't need a patch to prevent escape. seems the pose training was never added to zaz furniture even when it was working tho

honestly did not know there was a difference in how slaves worked between SE and LE. I've only ever played and modded SE so never knew any different. The addon allows you to lock any npc into zaz furniture as well as slaves, which is kinda cool I think. I have Nazeem hanging from a whipping pole in the middle of the Market District in Whiterun on one of my characters atm. I find that really funny.

 

14 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

restrained in furniture is set to be completely inescapable...if the feature still worked as intended, i wouldn't mind needing to fix the animation tags to fit

Can't speak for others but using the addon I linked earlier SL doesn't see any npc locked in as tied or otherwise from what I can tell. For me at least SL pulls the npc out long enough to have sex, then the zaz helper addon puts them right back in when they are done having sex. All animations play like normal and since there are not very many actual furniture animations that do not spawn in furniture anyway, it seems to work fine for me. YMMV tho I suppose depending on the animations you use. but works the way I want it to on my end. I wish there were animations that would use existing zaz furniture but sadly there are not very many that do, most if not all the animations I have found for SE only use magically spawned in zaz furniture for the animations.

 

13 hours ago, kohlteth said:

Have you checked out "Dread Prison" although for some reason HSH sees it all as one cell, but that houses a few of "Slavers Hideout" which has a fantastic "basement" area, I just wish it was accessible straight from the outside, so to speak.   I also use Fort Blackmoor Mod, that one works well., 

Do you have links to those by chance? I've not heard of them before for SE.

 

8 hours ago, DonQuiWho said:

Hi

 

How did you get the PAHE patch to work?  I found it ages ago but It has Chesko's Wearable lanterns maked into it as a master dependency and I can't see any way of removing the master file reference WITHOUT actually adding the Chesko File into the game first - as without it, TESEDIT5 won't let you open the patch   ? 

 

Do you know where to find the 'demastered' version?  The mod author seems to say, basically, 'I use it like this in my game, so tough. DiY'  Which is not much help to non techs like me  ?

I literally downloaded both files from the page I linked above and the esp file contained in the ZFPE-PAHE compatibility patch does not have wearable lanterns as a master as I just looked at the one in my load order in xedit. So no clue where you got the one you tried, but neither file I got has that as a master. I'd try downloading it again, and install the main file first ZAP Helper Addon Extension v 2.02b then install the compatibility patch letting it overwrite the already installed esp and you should be fine.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Martok73

[Gukahn]

18 hours ago, Martok73 said:

 

 

Before i forget, thank you for posting this. Didn't knew it existed ?

[Pfiffy]

12 hours ago, CliftonJD said:

 

pimping corrections 2.esl 17.45 kB · 0 downloads

• hookers 2 and 3 training fixes for hookers 4 and 6- (both had hookers 4 and 6 mixed up)
• hooker 5 training fix for hooker 4 -hooker 5 is assigned to a different quest hooker for this training
• hooker 6 training fix for hooker 2- same problem as hooker 5
• dance for cash fix for hooker5-wrong quest again
• off the clock fixes for the 3 new hookers (minor fixes to hooker 4, minor fix to hooker 5, and some major fixes with hooker 6
• quest property fixes to configmenu - dancescene1 is listed twice, should be replaced with dance scene 2
• quest fixes for giscenes for hooker 4 and 5 - wrong scenes
• quest property fixes to the 3 new dancer gi scenes- also wrong scenes

 

Now you are pretty far ahead of me. Hopefully I can figure out how to patch your edits correctly into the main esp...

 

 

 

  

[Martok73]

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

I have >14000 animations all picked, more or less at random. I will have to trim them.  I really do not like the Anubis ones as they all wear thin after a while . But nevertheless, Thank you!

Ok, I know you don't have that many actual SL animations installed as it has a limit on installed animations. Do not count the number you see when you run FNIS cause that counts every single animation in the game, not just ones for SexLab. SL with a mod has a limit of 2k animations at one time, with SLU+ it's 1250, and the base I think is 500 or 750. Anyway my favorite animations are the ones from Billy and Leito. I like some of Anubs but not all of them, and Ayasato only has a couple but they are pretty good quality. Most of the ones that come with SL are utter trash and I have them disabled, and after the fiasco with funnybiz animations I got rid of those too, as honestly the quality was not very good anyway and they are very janky/jittery imho.

 

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

I tried several times to make a vampire char in not a few TES games including ESO and could just not "get my teeth into it" (sorry!) as I felt like Brad Pitt did.

Ok, but that has nothing to do with the comment you quoted so I'm abit confused.

 

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

I am not certain but I don't think that the ghosts respawn. Should be interesting if they do as some of those girls even without weapons are deadly including the vampires.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/16389     lockmaster. 

I'll have to check out that mod, I'd love to be able to use jail cells.

 

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

I just did a Prime 95 stress test and had to stop it as it hit 104 C while the cores all hit the 90s I think that I have a problem and my l have to strip it all down.  

I never doubted that it was relevant, I just passed on the confusion and disagreement it created when I asked. The problem isn't new.

I don't recommend using Prime 95 in Windows 10 or 11, but since you already did, with those results you definitely have a cooling issue. The thermal paste on your cpu could be dried up which is common when using liquid cooled systems. I'd check that and make sure to blow out all your fans really really well.

 

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

I guess that she could be resurrected if you do the imperial run but like Susanna the Wicked (who can only be rez;d in the hall of the Dead once murdered unless you grab her when she is still warm although I have never tried that (on this run I will duplicate her, grab the original (EFF or enslave) and Calixto can kill the copy, I get the impression that she can only be rez;d inside the Helgen run before you exit as I remember trying and failing to rez her ages ago outside of Helgen. post dragon.

Addendum: I just tested that with an early imperial save and yes she can be rez'd and this time she killed my char in secs. when I tried to enslave her lol !

Still have no clue what you mean by "imperial run" or "stormcloak run", but yeah I haven't done the vanilla start in years so unless she can be found somewhere other than Helgen I won't be able to grab her, cause with ASLAL, there are no bodies in Helgen to resurrect and all my current chars have several hundred hours of gameplay, so starting over just to grab her isn't an option. I assume she is one that is scripted to die in Helgen during Alduin's attack?

 

8 hours ago, Will55 said:

yes it is the little shack outside of Riverwood. It has multiple external mesh problems but is handy in the beginning especially as it has an enchantment altar. There is also a deserted but furnished farmhouse (in my game) NW of Bloated Man's grotto and east of the nearby dragon mound. It has 2 levels and I am yet to use it but a nice place to dump keepworthy followers while waiting for a house.

I have that same sack in Riverwood, but the inside is not navmeshed and no npc will go thru the door. I assume you tie up your slaves outside? Got a screenshot of that deserted farmhouse with it's location, I'm having a hard time figuring out where you are referring to in game?

 

8 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

If your after a empty huge place to keep slaves you might want to try -

 

As the temple comes with cells for PAH / Non-PAH slaves

I've looked at that one, but with the extra quests it adds and the overall theme of it, it would only fit one of my characters right now, as the rest have no interest in Molag Bal or downright hate him.

 

5 hours ago, Will55 said:

Has anyone else had the pleasure of meeting Salonia Carvain whilst walking through Skyrim?

Yep, met her a couple times on different playthroughs, and yes she's rude as hell, and has no bearing at all on the DB quest for the wedding, she has generic dialog when talking to her after the wedding that just reflects whether or not VV is alive or dead, so she is most definitely safe to enslave without copying. Non of the other npcs at the wedding ever mention her at all, even if she's standing right beside them at the wedding, so yeah, she gets tagged every time I see her out in the wild.

 

5 hours ago, Gukahn said:

Few steps ahead of you, the entire thieves guild is enslaved and sold, well i keep Karliah for a longer while.. She is hard to train.. Entire Brotherhood Minus Babette is next ?

So do you do this every time or when did you go this route? Before the questline, after, during? Abit confused since both have very large quest chains. Or do you do it as a way to destroy both without killing them? I don't even think it's possible to enslave Babette is it? Even with a mod that makes her killable I don't think you can enslave her thru PAHE, never tried to be honest as I like doing the DB questline cause to me it's fun even tho I know how it ends. How did you sell them as in what mod did you use to sell them when you were done with them? AYGAS, or HSH?

[Martok73]

31 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

Before i forget, thank you for posting this. Didn't knew it existed ?

You're welcome, I didn't know it either until a few months ago when someone else recommended to me in another thread.

 

As for annoying children in Skyrim, Killable Children + Immersive Children = no more annoying kids . Can kill them if too annoying but with the second mod they still behave like children with all of their unique AI and dialog. So win win. Babette is included in both mods so although protected, she can be killed by the player if you choose to do so. I just need to find a good child visual overhaul I like that will play nice with all my other 500+ mods .

 

[Gukahn]

2 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

So do you do this every time or when did you go this route? Before the questline, after, during? Abit confused since both have very large quest chains. Or do you do it as a way to destroy both without killing them? I don't even think it's possible to enslave Babette is it? Even with a mod that makes her killable I don't think you can enslave her thru PAHE, never tried to be honest as I like doing the DB questline cause to me it's fun even tho I know how it ends. How did you sell them as in what mod did you use to sell them when you were done with them? AYGAS, or HSH?

 

That's actually farely simple, i use the mods destroy the thieves guild and destroy dark brotherhood enhanced from Shrekard

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/users/26310574?tab=user+files

 

 

 The way it handles the killing for the T Guild is simple enough to enslave them instead of killing them. The only minor Thing you have do to afterwards is to pay Vex a fee for attacking other guild members. It's a bit immersion breaking but the mod has it's own way to handle the aftermath of destroying them. Adding a new npc so you can do the Brotherhood related quests without Delvin. I had to bullshit one or two of them with Dom Weapons cause they died while subduing others. It's hard to say at least but if you keep their sleeping time in  mind, should work better. It also gives you ways of getting the Unique Items and an End Fight with Karliah where you get the possibility to enslave her the same as the others.

 

In Case of the Brotherhood mod, i have yet to test it but i did the same in vanilla, enslaving them counts as killing them, but i parked Astrid until i enslaved the rest tho, learnt from Markaths Uaile problem where she stays in Questmod until the Quest is finished. I think Astrid is the same.

 

For Babette: I didn't enslave her either, i stay the hell away from child npc´s. We where talking about a mod that would age her up to be an adult and then enslave her^^ Dunno if Pahe works with her vanilla self and i am not interested in finding out ^^

 

And I sold them with Aygas. Made me fun in selling them in and near Riften.. Kinda hate me for not selling Sapphire to Shadr. But i have to make a new safe soon so i will fix that ?

 

[DonQuiWho]

35 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

I literally downloaded both files from the page I linked above and the esp file contained in the ZFPE-PAHE compatibility patch does not have wearable lanterns as a master as I just looked at the one in my load order in xedit. So no clue where you got the one you tried, but neither file I got has that as a master. I'd try downloading it again, and install the main file first ZAP Helper Addon Extension v 2.02b then install the compatibility patch letting it overwrite the already installed esp and you should be fine.

 

Rats!  I had loaded up his PAHE compatibility pach referred to here

Base file is 308/2021.  That was 14/9/2021, but the PAHE patch posted on this mod page is from 28/9/2021.  I'd just never looked back ?

 

Thanks for helping me realise tho' that there is a patch that will work  ?

 

 

 

[Gukahn]

2 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

You're welcome, I didn't know it either until a few months ago when someone else recommended to me in another thread.

 

As for annoying children in Skyrim, Killable Children + Immersive Children = no more annoying kids . Can kill them if too annoying but with the second mod they still behave like children with all of their unique AI and dialog. So win win. Babette is included in both mods so although protected, she can be killed by the player if you choose to do so. I just need to find a good child visual overhaul I like that will play nice with all my other 500+ mods .

 

Mh.. Killing all children is not really my thing but i would love to get rid of braith without killing her parents ? maybe sometimes..

 

I just use RS Children so they don'tlook like cloned inbreeds ?

[Martok73]

21 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

 

That's actually farely simple, i use the mods destroy the thieves guild and destroy dark brotherhood enhanced from Shrekard

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/users/26310574?tab=user+files

 

 

 The way it handles the killing for the T Guild is simple enough to enslave them instead of killing them. The only minor Thing you have do to afterwards is to pay Vex a fee for attacking other guild members. It's a bit immersion breaking but the mod has it's own way to handle the aftermath of destroying them. Adding a new npc so you can do the Brotherhood related quests without Delvin. I had to bullshit one or two of them with Dom Weapons cause they died while subduing others. It's hard to say at least but if you keep their sleeping time in  mind, should work better. It also gives you ways of getting the Unique Items and an End Fight with Karliah where you get the possibility to enslave her the same as the others.

 

In Case of the Brotherhood mod, i have yet to test it but i did the same in vanilla, enslaving them counts as killing them, but i parked Astrid until i enslaved the rest tho, learnt from Markaths Uaile problem where she stays in Questmod until the Quest is finished. I think Astrid is the same.

 

For Babette: I didn't enslave her either, i stay the hell away from child npc´s. We where talking about a mod that would age her up to be an adult and then enslave her^^ Dunno if Pahe works with her vanilla self and i am not interested in finding out ^^

 

And I sold them with Aygas. Made me fun in selling them in and near Riften.. Kinda hate me for not selling Sapphire to Shadr. But i have to make a new safe soon so i will fix that ?

 

I've never used any mods to destroy either faction honestly. I really like the DB questline, and I don't think I've ever taken them out. The Thieves guild tho can be abit irritating and I've got a mod now that will stop the quest from ever triggering if I choose to do a play through without touching them. The couple chars that I have that are doing "slaver" type play throughs are both in the DB and have just figured out they can make more money by enslaving their targets as opposed to killing them.

 

On another note tho the way that PAHE clones a npc during the enslavement process, have you ever noticed any disparity with any of the unique voices of the thieves guild or db members? I have noticed especially with npcs with the femalesultry voice type that some of the dialog in PAHE and HSH doesn't always use the correct voice type for the npc as a slave. I've also noticed that no matter how high sub/resp/sex a slave has with the sultry voice type, they never refer to you as thane or dragonborn and they always use that sexy come on line instead. So have you noticed a different voice coming out of any of your thieves guild slaves at some point?

 

As to Babette and other children, they are coded inside SL to prevent them being animated and it's done outside of their own records so that other mods don't interfer so it's perfectly safe to use mods that make children killable alongside of SL without having to worry about anything hinky going on. I find immortal children extremely unimmersive, but with most "killable children" mods they're AI is messed up and they no longer have the special idles and dialog of regular children. So with the mod Immersive Children, and the mod Killable Children you can have both mortal kids that will try to defend themselves, and all of the special kid idles and dialog as well. It also does not affect their "protected" flag in SL either so it's safe to use both alongside SL without worry. I also find any immortal npc to be unimmersive and have a mod that fixes that too. Ones that are essential become protected so I can kill them but other npcs can't. I still have no idea if any children can be enslaved or not as I have never tried, they can be killed thanks to my mods, but never tried enslaving them and even tho it would be very realistic, that's beyond what I am willing to do in a game, as sometimes death is better anyway. Me personally IRL I would choose death over enslavement to be perfectly honest. There is only so much "immersion" I'm ok with in video games, LOL.

 

AYGAS being what it is and the possible issues it can cause, I stay away from it, I mean my load order and mod list is already over 500 and barely semi stable as it is, I don't need to add any more potential problems to the mix, so I stick with HSH auctions and if I'm in a rush, sell em' off to Felglow slave camp. I don't think I could bring myself to enslave or sell off Sapphire tho, as she's got almost as a tragic backstory as Serena, not quite, but almost. I've played thru SL AA with her and although cheesy at times it's still halfway decent so I really don't think I could do that to her honestly. For me it would be like enslaving and selling off Serena, making her life that much worse. But that's just me.

[Martok73]

43 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

Mh.. Killing all children is not really my thing but i would love to get rid of braith without killing her parents ? maybe sometimes..

 

I just use RS Children so they don'tlook like cloned inbreeds ?

I don't kill them all, I just have that option if they get on my nerves too much. I can't stand having any npc be completely immortal and unable to die, it ruins any chance of immersion for me, so thankfully there are mods for that. It doesn't mean I execute everyone either, as for Braith, she is the way she is because of her deadbeat parents. Follow her around and listen to the dialog between her and her parents sometime, it was rather eye opening. She is better off in the orphanage after Grelod is dead than she is with those deadbeat parents of hers. Oh and she is so much sweeter if you adopt her too, she doesn't act like a total little bitch anymore.

 

But NO I do not kill all the children, they're just not immortal anymore and if one happens to die from a random vampire attack or dragon attack, you can find their coffin or urn inside the local hall of the dead, which is more immersive than having them be little demon gods that can't die.

 

I've looked at RS Children, and some of the kids look nice, but some look very unrealistic to me, and some look like mini adults and not really kids, and there are so many patches I would have to find and install that the chance of that one mod messing up my load order would be very high. A combination of RS Children and TKAA would be great if I could pick and choose which looks I wanted from each mod, LOL.

[Gukahn]

11 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

On another note tho the way that PAHE clones a npc during the enslavement process, have you ever noticed any disparity with any of the unique voices of the thieves guild or db members? I have noticed especially with npcs with the femalesultry voice type that some of the dialog in PAHE and HSH doesn't always use the correct voice type for the npc as a slave. I've also noticed that no matter how high sub/resp/sex a slave has with the sultry voice type, they never refer to you as thane or dragonborn and they always use that sexy come on line instead. So have you noticed a different voice coming out of any of your thieves guild slaves at some point?

 

 

The voice switching isn't new to me,but i would have to go and check if sultry does or does not call me thane. Could be take untilt he weekend but i say that sultry is rude most of the time and Shrill switches the voice more then any other.

18 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

As to Babette and other children, they are coded inside SL to prevent them being animated and it's done outside of their own records so that other mods don't interfer so it's perfectly safe to use mods that make children killable alongside of SL without having to worry about anything hinky going on. I find immortal children extremely unimmersive, but with most "killable children" mods they're AI is messed up and they no longer have the special idles and dialog of regular children. So with the mod Immersive Children, and the mod Killable Children you can have both mortal kids that will try to defend themselves, and all of the special kid idles and dialog as well. It also does not affect their "protected" flag in SL either so it's safe to use both alongside SL without worry

That's reassuring. I trust SL´s protection but to be safe i stayed away from anything similar.

 

21 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

I still have no idea if any children can be enslaved or not as I have never tried, they can be killed thanks to my mods, but never tried enslaving them and even tho it would be very realistic, that's beyond what I am willing to do in a game, as sometimes death is better anyway. Me personally IRL I would choose death over enslavement to be perfectly honest. There is only so much "immersion" I'm ok with in video games, LOL.

Same, i don't really see a point in child slaves anyway. In Rl they would only cost you until they can be really put to work at this point you invested too much in them to sell them cheap, that is if they even survive till they are strong enough for most work you would use a slave for. As i mostly sell working slaves ingame, they aren't much of use other then having them walking around and other then that, RL or ingame i don't like the thought of beating kids into submission.

 

24 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

AYGAS being what it is and the possible issues it can cause, I stay away from it, I mean my load order and mod list is already over 500 and barely semi stable as it is, I don't need to add any more potential problems to the mix, so I stick with HSH auctions and if I'm in a rush, sell em' off to Felglow slave camp. I don't think I could bring myself to enslave or sell off Sapphire tho, as she's got almost as a tragic backstory as Serena, not quite, but almost. I've played thru SL AA with her and although cheesy at times it's still halfway decent so I really don't think I could do that to her honestly. For me it would be like enslaving and selling off Serena, making her life that much worse. But that's just me.

 

Yeah i read AYGas is pretty problematic sometimes. I run a setup with a little bit more then 300 mods. But i build my setup with few script heavy mods and keep myself in check to not do too much then i really need. Setting Aygas difficulty high enough resolved my overpopulation problem and i only sell a small number of slaves in Citys, mostly i sell to farmers and miners. Places who don't have many npc´s to begin with and who i visit not that often. The biggest population of slaves i have stay either in the cistern which i made my HQ in Riften cause it can hold a decent number or i use them myself as Housslaves like i did plan with Karliah.

 

As for Sapphir and Serana.. TbH they have it bad but immersion wise, my Character don't knows anything about Sapphire. He just saw her bothering Shadr, took a liking to the boy and decided to help him while hearing about the guild. as a Slaver he wasn't much of a good guy but he needed a big place for his operations and if the guild could ever give him trouble, he decided to get them out of the way before it happens. Some Adventerung to get strong enough and recruitment of followers later he took to the task. If i had done anything like AA before i would probably won't have enslaved Sapphir or destroyed the guild either as She stands and falls with it. But i don't think Serana has it worse, probably just my thinking but she is old, very old and had enough time to work with her trauma. It destroyed her entire life yes and i won't talk that matter down but in comparison to Serana, Sapphire is a child and will never get the same amount of time she had to attempt to work it out.

26 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

deadbeat parents

yeah just had it while testing some new replacer outfit in whiterun. I hate her mother, acting like she don't have any reason to interact with her own kid.  I swear to god, Braith will end up as a bandit or kill her parents if i can't get to them faster ?

 

28 minutes ago, Martok73 said:

TKAA

In comparison to RS looks to dolly for me. Ok many people in my game look attrative and handsome but TKAA did too much for my taste. Some Rs looking like adults.. yeah some of them look like mutants too (looking at you Dorthe.) but i don't really care as long as they are not clones.

[Martok73]

6 hours ago, Gukahn said:

RL or ingame i don't like the thought of beating kids into submission.

I wish someone would have told that to my dad while I was growing up, LOL. Not gonna beat one to submission, but would spank their ass as discipline if and when they needed it. (and have with my own kids) But yeah in a game they would be pretty useless as a slave. Not even gonna talk about what real children slaves are used for or go thru.

 

I still stand by my mods that make all npcs mortal, and improves the kids AI quite abit and actually makes them more immersive imho. I never saw them playing with their doll, or laying on the floor reading a book until I installed Immersive Children.

 

6 hours ago, Gukahn said:

But i don't think Serana has it worse, probably just my thinking but she is old, very old and had enough time to work with her trauma. It destroyed her entire life yes and i won't talk that matter down but in comparison to Serana, Sapphire is a child and will never get the same amount of time she had to attempt to work it out.

Serena may be thousands of years old, but she was locked in a crypt for how many thousands of years? So she has definitely not had time to work anything out, and due to being entombed the way she was for her, her trauma feels recent because in her mind it was due to her being locked away. I mean she was literally raped to death by a daedric prince and her father, and her mother was ok with this and even went thru the same ritual to become what she is. Harkon got his because he offered up both his daughter and his wife to Molag Bal and was "rewarded" with the pure blood because of it ad according to the lore, "taking part" in the ritual. So yeah, I'd say Serena even tho it happened a few thousand years prior, due to being entombed she didn't have time to recover or deal with anything until the dragonborn comes along. You can find out about Sapphire's backstory without doing the thieves guild and just doing some things on Solstiehm. I do think tho that as far as those two are concerned I believe that given their backstories if they were given a choice between being a slave or death, I honestly think they both would choose death.

 

6 hours ago, Gukahn said:

yeah just had it while testing some new replacer outfit in whiterun. I hate her mother, acting like she don't have any reason to interact with her own kid.  I swear to god, Braith will end up as a bandit or kill her parents if i can't get to them faster ?

Ahh so you saw what I was talking about I take it? Wait til you hear her conversation with her deadbeat father.

 

6 hours ago, Gukahn said:

In comparison to RS looks to dolly for me. Ok many people in my game look attrative and handsome but TKAA did too much for my taste. Some Rs looking like adults.. yeah some of them look like mutants too (looking at you Dorthe.) but i don't really care as long as they are not clones.

I wish I could pick and choose from the various kid overhauls and only use the ones I like, but sadly that's not possible. I also wish that I could install a kid overhaul mod without risking it destroying my mod list, LOL. So many patches

[dustbeetwelve]

What is the current workaround for the naked bandit bug? i did not used to see them much, but now i am using a random encounters mod and seeing them all the time.

[Gukahn]

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

I wish someone would have told that to my dad while I was growing up, LOL. Not gonna beat one to submission, but would spank their ass as discipline if and when they needed it. (and have with my own kids) But yeah in a game they would be pretty useless as a slave. Not even gonna talk about what real children slaves are used for or go thru.

 

I still stand by my mods that make all npcs mortal, and improves the kids AI quite abit and actually makes them more immersive imho. I never saw them playing with their doll, or laying on the floor reading a book until I installed Immersive Children.

 

Well i am not talking about well deserved punishment. I got raised with the good old "if you do shit, you gonna get it." method so if we acted up too much or did things we really shouldn't we got spanked butt hat's it. Nothing bad and in moderation it's a normal upbringen and taught discipline and respect. (something some 20somethings these days need a lot..)

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

Serena may be thousands of years old, but she was locked in a crypt

True.. I always forget that she got locked up pretty early in her life.. ?

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

Ahh so you saw what I was talking about I take it? Wait til you hear her conversation with her deadbeat father.

Yeah, listened to their conversation too. ?She wants to life in her fantasy world with books, he wants to be just a warrior not a father. Both don't care what's up with their daughter. He's probably not even home that often cause of is Mercenary job.  Braith is doomed

 

 

[Martok73]

18 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

Well i am not talking about well deserved punishment. I got raised with the good old "if you do shit, you gonna get it." method so if we acted up too much or did things we really shouldn't we got spanked butt hat's it. Nothing bad and in moderation it's a normal upbringen and taught discipline and respect. (something some 20somethings these days need a lot..)

Yes I agree, I was making a joke, I kid my dad about "hitting for distance" growing up, LOL. I never did the same thing twice to get a taste of the ol' hickory switch, I always found new reasons to get punished, lol. 100% agree with the 20-somethings as mine is 25 and sometimes I wanna take a belt to her ass. I swear I thought I raised her better than that, but all it takes is one bad boyfriend to utterly tear down all good things in her upbringing.

 

20 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

True.. I always forget that she got locked up pretty early in her life.. ?

Yeppers

 

21 minutes ago, Gukahn said:

Yeah, listened to their conversation too. ?She wants to life in her fantasy world with books, he wants to be just a warrior not a father. Both don't care what's up with their daughter. He's probably not even home that often cause of is Mercenary job.  Braith is doomed

And that's the reason I said she'd be better off at Honorhall after taking out Grelod. Her current parents are total deadbeats. I "silenced" them permanently during one playthrough once, and after adopting Braith from Honorhall she was a changed child, good as gold, all she wanted was a parent to give a shit about her. Interestingly enough her dialog changed slightly when first talking to her in Honorhall, iirc she says something about her parents being killed but they never payed any attention to her anyway, or something along those lines, I can't remember exactly.

[Will55]

12 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Ok, I know you don't have that many actual SL animations installed as it has a limit on installed animations. Do not count the number you see when you run FNIS cause that counts every single animation in the game, not just ones for SexLab. SL with a mod has a limit of 2k animations at one time, with SLU+ it's 1250, and the base I think is 500 or 750. Anyway my favorite animations are the ones from Billy and Leito. I like some of Anubs but not all of them, and Ayasato only has a couple but they are pretty good quality. Most of the ones that come with SL are utter trash and I have them disabled, and after the fiasco with funnybiz animations I got rid of those too, as honestly the quality was not very good anyway and they are very janky/jittery imho.

Then how do you exactly estimate the real number of SL animations? Ayasato? Never seen those anywhere.

12 hours ago, Martok73 said:

 

Ok, but that has nothing to do with the comment you quoted so I'm abit confused.

You have often mentioned that you have a vampire char and i was saying that such, like were-creatures, do not appeal to me. I am not sure why exactly as I had loads of refused offers in ESO. Must be all of those vampire horror movies viewed  as a child or that I do not like the char costs.

12 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I don't recommend using Prime 95 in Windows 10 or 11, but since you already did, with those results you definitely have a cooling issue. The thermal paste on your cpu could be dried up which is common when using liquid cooled systems. I'd check that and make sure to blow out all your fans really really well.

Yes I am going to strip it down and replace the paste and the liquid. Thank you for the advice.

12 hours ago, Martok73 said:

 

Still have no clue what you mean by "imperial run" or "stormcloak run", but yeah I haven't done the vanilla start in years so unless she can be found somewhere other than Helgen I won't be able to grab her, cause with ASLAL, there are no bodies in Helgen to resurrect and all my current chars have several hundred hours of gameplay, so starting over just to grab her isn't an option. I assume she is one that is scripted to die in Helgen during Alduin's attack?

The "imperial run" is when you escape the dragon attack and where you go with Halvor and fight the stormcloaks on the way out.

The "stormcloak run" is where you do the same but with Ralof instead of Halvor and enter a different tower (the first one on the right as Ralof and Halvor speak.

She pops up in that tower or nearby within it IIRC. Well into the game and missing her, I would go into the escape route, trying both ends if necessary and see if she can be rez'd there.

12 hours ago, Martok73 said:

 

I have that same sack in Riverwood, but the inside is not navmeshed and no npc will go thru the door. I assume you tie up your slaves outside? Got a screenshot of that deserted farmhouse with it's location, I'm having a hard time figuring out where you are referring to in game?

I teleport slaves into and out of the shack via PAH as although they still can "disappear", they cannot escape and that is not a contradiction.

I have not been near that farmhouse for ages but will make a screenshot when I do so again.

12 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Yep, met her a couple times on different playthroughs, and yes she's rude as hell, and has no bearing at all on the DB quest for the wedding, she has generic dialog when talking to her after the wedding that just reflects whether or not VV is alive or dead, so she is most definitely safe to enslave without copying. Non of the other npcs at the wedding ever mention her at all, even if she's standing right beside them at the wedding, so yeah, she gets tagged every time I see her out in the wild.

 

Once broken she makes an ideal slave. I am used DOM just for her, and it is a real eye opener.

 

[Martok73]

40 minutes ago, Will55 said:

Then how do you exactly estimate the real number of SL animations? Ayasato? Never seen those anywhere.

If you look in SL MCM under Rebuild & Clean, right hand side it will tell you exactly how many animations you have loaded for SL.

 

42 minutes ago, Will55 said:

You have often mentioned that you have a vampire char and i was saying that such, like were-creatures, do not appeal to me. I am not sure why exactly as I had loads of refused offers in ESO. Must be all of those vampire horror movies viewed  as a child or that I do not like the char costs.

Ahh, ok now that makes sense, and I probably wouldn't play any vampires or werewolves if not for overhauls to improve and make vanilla better. I use Better Vampires, and Growl respectively for vampires and werewolves. Wouldn't even consider playing a vampire without BV tbh. Just started using Growl and as such just finished the Companions questline turning my kitty kat into a werewolf, so far not bad, but I may swap out Growl for Moonlight Tales, not sure yet.

 

44 minutes ago, Will55 said:

Yes I am going to strip it down and replace the paste and the liquid. Thank you for the advice.

Cool, literally, hope you get it taken care of as I don't wish thermal breakdown on anyone, ok well maybe my grandson's sperm donor, but that's another story.

 

46 minutes ago, Will55 said:

The "imperial run" is when you escape the dragon attack and where you go with Halvor and fight the stormcloaks on the way out.

The "stormcloak run" is where you do the same but with Ralof instead of Halvor and enter a different tower (the first one on the right as Ralof and Halvor speak.

She pops up in that tower or nearby within it IIRC. Well into the game and missing her, I would go into the escape route, trying both ends if necessary and see if she can be rez'd there.

Ok so she is scripted to die then correct? I honestly doubt that any corpses would still be present this far into my char's playthroughs tbh. I will check it out tho and see if there are any bodies lying around anywhere. Too bad she doesn't survive with Hadvar to be found later in Solitude.

 

48 minutes ago, Will55 said:

I teleport slaves into and out of the shack via PAH as although they still can "disappear", they cannot escape and that is not a contradiction.

That place is so tiny I honestly don't see how you fit anyone other than yourself in there. How is "disappear" but not escape not a contradiction, now you have me confused.

 

49 minutes ago, Will55 said:

I have not been near that farmhouse for ages but will make a screenshot when I do so again.

Cool I'm curious to find out exactly where it is and to see if it's a mod or vanilla.

 

50 minutes ago, Will55 said:

Once broken she makes an ideal slave. I am used DOM just for her, and it is a real eye opener.

I still don't use DoM but yeah I agree once she's been broken and fully submissive, she is quite pleasant and cooperative. Not a bad fuck either from what I can remember, LOL.

[Will55]

3 hours ago, Gukahn said:

 

Well i am not talking about well deserved punishment. I got raised with the good old "if you do shit, you gonna get it." method so if we acted up too much or did things we really shouldn't we got spanked butt hat's it. Nothing bad and in moderation it's a normal upbringen and taught discipline and respect. (something some 20somethings these days need a lot..)

Hear! Hear! I was a right b*****d of a child and drove my parents insane.

If they said: "don't do that!". I would do it straight away.

The belt, ironing cord, switch etc. had absolutely no effect and the things that I did (climb a 40m tree and catch cicadas in the leaves and bird eggs in the nests..stand so close to passing traffic that the airflow knocked me back  and that was as a 5yo) terrified me when we had children (had 4 lost 2).

But although i was strict i was fair and ignored the trolling attempts (pretend to have done something wrong just to see if I was a pig) and they are both fine adults.

A good child needs only a yell and an early bed if necessary.

Slapping a child because you had a bad day is evil.

Slapping a little b*****d because he thoroughly deserves it will make him a better adult and i do not care what the "experts" say as I dealt with the trash they have created for decades.

 

[Will55]

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

If you look in SL MCM under Rebuild & Clean, right hand side it will tell you exactly how many animations you have loaded for SL.

Thanks. I have to obtain the correct fluid and some fresh paste first. I just did a dust clean today.

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

Ok so she is scripted to die then correct? I honestly doubt that any corpses would still be present this far into my char's playthroughs tbh. I will check it out tho and see if there are any bodies lying around anywhere. Too bad she doesn't survive with Hadvar to be found later in Solitude.

Yes, she is. Her corpse would be one of the unidentifiable burnt ones.

BUT! I managed to rez Susanna the Wicked in the Hall of the Dead literally years after she was killed (Now I copy her and let him kill the copy). I could NOT find her body and did not expect it to work. But it did if you are in the right place. I will try the same trick for the captain when I next log on in the previous and now current again, run.

IMO it is possible. If you are in the right place, that you may not need the body. When I find a scripted dead attractive female NPC, I ice them using necrophilia and Jaxsons positioner and when I drop the body they rez despite being scripted dead. The dead redguard at the attacked cart just out of Dragonbridge is one such and she is alive and well.

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

 

That place is so tiny I honestly don't see how you fit anyone other than yourself in there. How is "disappear" but not escape not a contradiction, now you have me confused.

I had 20+ packed in there before I moved most to the prison.

In my previous playthrough at roughly 240 slaves total, new additions began to just disappear from the MCM and the game. I could rez, disable, enable moveto them but they were broken speech wise and uncontrollable, hence the word "disappear". But as the others cannot use the door they cannot escape.

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

 

Cool I'm curious to find out exactly where it is and to see if it's a mod or vanilla.

I noted it several times and used it as a pitstop once but have never really used it as a slave cell as the door had to be locked (pre lockmaster). will check.

1 hour ago, Martok73 said:

I still don't use DoM but yeah I agree once she's been broken and fully submissive, she is quite pleasant and cooperative. Not a bad fuck either from what I can remember, LOL.

My imperial captain is now broken also but as I cannot continue that run due to TDF not working properly it is all on hold.

Salonia seems now to have adapted and was even using the hookers herself. No idea how she pays.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Will55

[Gukahn]

7 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Yes I agree, I was making a joke, I kid my dad about "hitting for distance" growing up, LOL. I never did the same thing twice to get a taste of the ol' hickory switch, I always found new reasons to get punished, lol. 100% agree with the 20-somethings as mine is 25 and sometimes I wanna take a belt to her ass. I swear I thought I raised her better than that, but all it takes is one bad boyfriend to utterly tear down all good things in her upbringing.

 

Sounds tough

But it reflects that's not only just the parenting that influences you later, it's everything around you. 25 is still young,  i'm not that much older but once i reached 30 i finally viewed many things differently, why going out with my ex was a bad idea, that i should have turned this one down and stay with the other or don't screw this friendship up just cause i am horny. 25 is still a child in most aspects even if nobody that age or younger will ever admit it.

 

7 hours ago, Martok73 said:

And that's the reason I said she'd be better off at Honorhall after taking out Grelod. Her current parents are total deadbeats. I "silenced" them permanently during one playthrough once, and after adopting Braith from Honorhall she was a changed child, good as gold, all she wanted was a parent to give a shit about her. Interestingly enough her dialog changed slightly when first talking to her in Honorhall, iirc she says something about her parents being killed but they never payed any attention to her anyway, or something along those lines, I can't remember exactly.

Mh, Shame that i don't adopt ? maybe someday but it's not a feature that has much influence and doesn't do anything except give you a reason to not  bring your slaves home.

 

 

4 hours ago, Will55 said:

A good child needs only a yell and an early bed if necessary.

Slapping a child because you had a bad day is evil.

Slapping a little b*****d because he thoroughly deserves it will make him a better adult and i do not care what the "experts" say as I dealt with the trash they have created for decades.

 

Can only agree to that ? a earned slap builds character and helps learn important lessons quicker. The world slowly turned into a big circus full of sissy's  once the 90´s where over..

[Pfiffy]

@CliftonJD:

 

I did my best to patch my esp. I hope I haven't forgotten something. I still had some wrong properties after patching your edits into my .esp, but now the training is working. I have not tested all combinations, but I was able to do the training in both directions in the combinations I have tested. I have to do a bit of playing to get my Hookers so far that I can set them on autopimping. 

 

As a sidestep I'm going to merge the TDF-patch into the add-on and check what I have to change there....   

 

Edit: I will create a new test pack this evening and then merge the add-on into the TDF patch as soon as you have it ready for 6 slaves. 

 

Time to do some thinking about it:

 

At first just make them able to work as Hookers and offer 20 Slots for them to place them.

Conditions for the Slaves to work as independent hookers? 

 

For the future:

Making sex training count in pahe? Making the pahe sex training count in TDF?  

Offer the TDF City/Inn slots to Slaves or add additional slots for them?

Move the Hookers completely out of PAHE like AYGAS/HSH?

 

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by Pfiffy

[mmxlv]

Hello, im having a texture problem.

 

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This is the modlist i have.

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Edit: Fixed for now, i forgot to install a mod. :S

Edited February 4, 2022 by mmxlv
Fixed issue

[Martok73]

14 hours ago, Will55 said:

Thanks. I have to obtain the correct fluid and some fresh paste first. I just did a dust clean today.

Good luck, I hope you get it all sorted out and taken care of.

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

Yes, she is. Her corpse would be one of the unidentifiable burnt ones.

BUT! I managed to rez Susanna the Wicked in the Hall of the Dead literally years after she was killed (Now I copy her and let him kill the copy). I could NOT find her body and did not expect it to work. But it did if you are in the right place. I will try the same trick for the captain when I next log on in the previous and now current again, run.

IMO it is possible. If you are in the right place, that you may not need the body. When I find a scripted dead attractive female NPC, I ice them using necrophilia and Jaxsons positioner and when I drop the body they rez despite being scripted dead. The dead redguard at the attacked cart just out of Dragonbridge is one such and she is alive and well.

Ahh, ok, so most likely in my current games I doubt her burnt corpse is still there. Are you talking about the necro option to put the body in a sack that is part of SL Defeat to move it? I've done that and "dropped" elsewhere and they still stayed dead. Resurrecting npcs for the purpose of enslavement would only really fit with one of my chars right now, ironically it's not the vampire either, it would be my Arch Mage/Necromancer.

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

I had 20+ packed in there before I moved most to the prison.

How, just how? talk about sardines. LOL

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

I noted it several times and used it as a pitstop once but have never really used it as a slave cell as the door had to be locked (pre lockmaster). will check.

Still curious about this, and after checking out that mod, it says you can only lock doors that you have keys to, so refresh my memory as to where you find the keys to the cells in the abandoned prison? I like the idea of that mod and being able to lock doors you have keys to, I'm wondering tho if it counts the "wax" keys that can be made from the lockpicking perk to create a key for any lock that you pick to open.

 

15 hours ago, Will55 said:

My imperial captain is now broken also but as I cannot continue that run due to TDF not working properly it is all on hold.

Salonia seems now to have adapted and was even using the hookers herself. No idea how she pays.

The v2 aio that Pfiffy had on his TDF page seems to be working for me at least. It doesn't have all the new stuff they have been adding but it seems stable enough. I haven't tried the alpha version as they've already listed several bugs and have been working hard on ironing out things with the new hookers he's added.

 

I'd love to know how she pays them too, LOL.

[Martok73]

11 hours ago, Gukahn said:

Sounds tough

Dad was tough but most of the time fair. I can only recall a few times where I got the hickory that I felt like I did not do anything wrong to deserve it. Even all these years later, granted my memory isn't what it used to be. My daughter is 25 and I raised her in similar fashion that my parents raised me, although she didn't become a "wild child" until later in her teenage years after meeting a total waste of oxygen of the male variaty. The only good thing that came of that is my grandson.

 

11 hours ago, Gukahn said:

Mh, Shame that i don't adopt ? maybe someday but it's not a feature that has much influence and doesn't do anything except give you a reason to not  bring your slaves home.

It's not bad with mods to improve it, and a fully trained house slave to cook and clean is just fine to bring home, dressed appropriately of course .

 

11 hours ago, Gukahn said:

Can only agree to that ? a earned slap builds character and helps learn important lessons quicker. The world slowly turned into a big circus full of sissy's  once the 90´s where over..

More like entitled little pussies that are disrespectful and don't even care about themselves much less their elders. Which can all be attributed to far left big government sticking their nose where it doesn't belong trying to tell parents how to raise their kids and not allowing proper discipline.

 

37 minutes ago, mmxlv said:

Hello, im having a texture problem.

 

 

This is the modlist i have.

 

That is a conflict between npc overhauls, but I don't off the top of my head see it in your mod list. I would suggest that you load up everything in xedit, and then right click the list and choose "Apply filter to show conflicts", give it time to run, then go thru each of your character and npc overhauls to see what is overwriting what and what is in conflict and go from there to resolve those issues. Since you have a npc in the pic that is fine, I'm sure it's probably something very small and easy to overlook. On a side note, from looking at your load order, I would suggest moving your weather related esps down to the bottom and make sure that the Realistic Water Two esp is last right after your weather files. Weather mods and RWT has to load last in order to work as intended. It won't cause your texture issue, but it may cause other issues at some point regarding lighting and effects.

[narbzhikaru]

Is there a reason that my followers act like slavemasters and order my slaves to fuck them?