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Reginald_001

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Halstrom

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16 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

I agree mostly.

 

But there's one thought that always tickled my brain in a bad way when I played online MP sex games (I stopped)... as much as the other person online can be a 50 year old fat guy (basically me, but a bit younger and less fat) OR a nice 'real' gamer girl that is not just pretending to be one....

It can ALSO be an 11 year old kid that's just trying out these mods in their online game....

 

I can see the lawsuits and media spin something in a really bad way. And where you were playing some nice sexy roleplay online, suddenly you're facing nasty vice charges and a permanent predator record...  I've just gotten really careful online and am avoiding anything MP based that has sexy stuff. I'm also actively avoiding any sexy chat, or PM's (I do get them, well according to having made Ivy).

 

The thing is, most kids do lie about their age and are playing 18+ games online, often with parents not even realizing (or just not caring about) age restrictions. It's a weird world out there where a lot of misunderstandings are happening.

Its all been done before in Second Life, they even have Avatars after Sexting try to blackmail others for game money by saying they are under age afterwards. No ones ever been prosecuted.

The funniest is people playing Texas Hold'em Poker not realising the other players are all the houses alt accounts :P

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protocolk

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16 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

I agree mostly.

 

But there's one thought that always tickled my brain in a bad way when I played online MP sex games (I stopped)... as much as the other person online can be a 50 year old fat guy (basically me, but a bit younger and less fat) OR a nice 'real' gamer girl that is not just pretending to be one....

It can ALSO be an 11 year old kid that's just trying out these mods in their online game....

 

I can see the lawsuits and media spin something in a really bad way. And where you were playing some nice sexy roleplay online, suddenly you're facing nasty vice charges and a permanent predator record...  I've just gotten really careful online and am avoiding anything MP based that has sexy stuff. I'm also actively avoiding any sexy chat, or PM's (I do get them, well according to having made Ivy).

 

The thing is, most kids do lie about their age and are playing 18+ games online, often with parents not even realizing (or just not caring about) age restrictions. It's a weird world out there where a lot of misunderstandings are happening.

it really depends on the country and its culture, Im spanish, half Brazilian (father side) and was raised in Brazil, people here dont really care about sex stuff as long its not in public, my parents used to make jokes about me being virgin at the age of 20, most parents dont care if its children watch porn, the age people start fucking is about 14. Its all culture, americans and some europeans tend to see sex and swearing as something worse than violence for some reason, but in south america and many places on spáin people are chill about that.

 

9 hours ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

That much I understand. And I know BGS doesn't want to be associated with adult mods because it threatens their "family friendly" image. But to specifically call out adult mods as a justification for making mods exclusive to the CC is rather suspect in my eyes. Why do they feel the need to draw attention to such things if they're so against it? All that does is tell the world it's a major issue. To whom and for what reasons is what they don't say. Which could be spun into any number of directions.

 

It also brings up uncomfortable questions since this isn't the first time folks like Howard have expressed such attitudes. What will they do in the future if they're so anti-adult mod? Will they force all of their future games to be online in some capacity to try and stop it? Will they try and make it illegal under their future TOUS to use adult mods? Intellectually I know such efforts would fail in the end and likely require illegal measures. But I still worry. I'm just being a bit paranoid. :classic_wacko:

The CC only part will only apply to consoles, every beth open world game have adult mods, they cant really prevent it nopr do I think they really care. They may say officially that theyre against them but i doubt theyll ever do anything about it. Also I saw some concerns and arguments here on LL being answered in some beth stuff that never said were it came from so Im pretty sure theyre aware of us but pretend they dont know shit. ?

 

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4 hours ago, protocolk said:

The CC only part will only apply to consoles, every beth open world game have adult mods

I wish I could say I believed they would never restrict PC players to the CC only in their future games. FO76 is the first one that will at launch. Whether or not they actually allow for free modding of it on PC when the private servers come online is unknown. Both Howard and Hines are known liars so it wouldn't be out of character for them to say we will but then never actually do it.

 

I've pretty much given up on Bugthesda and have no plans to play FO76. Mostly because I hate online games, multiplayer games, and survival games. It's what comes after that worries me because of what they've been doing since Skyrim: overly simplifying the mechanics, watering down the main plots and quests, and interfering with modding with the CC and Creation Kits that are left unfinished. Will they continue those trends?

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lordkabal26

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8 hours ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

I wish I could say I believed they would never restrict PC players to the CC only in their future games. FO76 is the first one that will at launch. Whether or not they actually allow for free modding of it on PC when the private servers come online is unknown. Both Howard and Hines are known liars so it wouldn't be out of character for them to say we will but then never actually do it.

 

I've pretty much given up on Bugthesda and have no plans to play FO76. Mostly because I hate online games, multiplayer games, and survival games. It's what comes after that worries me because of what they've been doing since Skyrim: overly simplifying the mechanics, watering down the main plots and quests, and interfering with modding with the CC and Creation Kits that are left unfinished. Will they continue those trends?

Where is the information that it will be restricted to CC only? Because I sure as hell haven't seen any information like that from an official source. All they've said is that modding won't be available at launch because it will require private servers.

 

I can see them using CC for customization (weapon/armor/clothing/pipboy skins) though.

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prinyo

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19 hours ago, Vault-Meat said:

Hi there, I'm looking for a few naughty boys to make a Fallout 76 group with. Plenty of exploration, gunplay, Roleplay, and ERP opportunities abound. If you are interested, please message me directly ;)

 

I'm seeing similar messages on other forums also and I'm confused what are they about. As one of the first things we were told about V76 is that you can't select a server. 

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Question for Fallout 76.

It's said there's modding, but two questions come to mind:

 

1. If it's single player/online, the online aspect would require mods to be on the servers or no one else would see/interact with those mods.

If so, wouldn't that mean any mod created would have to go through Bethesda, meaning Creation Club is the only venue for mods?

 

2. If it's on a Bethesda server, wouldn't that also kill any chance for adult mods?

 

If the private servers are going to be a thing, and private means community owned, then LoversLab could take on an additional role for hosting...

I just have doubts that Bethesda is going allow server code in the hands of anyone not Bethesda.

 

Thoughts?

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prinyo

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13 hours ago, GOodTimes said:

Question for Fallout 76.

It's said there's modding, but two questions come to mind:

 

I believe it is been confirmed that at launch there will be only CC or some other form of "cosmetic microtransactions".

Later they are thinking of creating "Private worlds" but it seems they themselves are not sure what this means. But TH mentioned them in the context of community mods.

If it means MP private servers then they can put plugins.txt online and warn people about differences in their plugin lists. 

I think the way all this gets implemented will depend on what makes most sense for the consoles. And to what extent Beth decides to care at all about what is happening in those private worlds.

 

It is important that "online" doesn't mean streaming. The game and the mods will still exist and  work locally - the meshes, textures, scripting, plugins. And also Bethesda can't have full control over your mods even if the list is on their servers.  For example a plugin named "abcde.esp" can be anything.

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6 hours ago, prinyo said:

 

I believe it is been confirmed that at launch there will be only CC or some other form of "cosmetic microtransactions".

Later they are thinking of creating "Private worlds" but it seems they themselves are not sure what this means. But TH mentioned them in the context of community mods.

If it means MP private servers then they can put plugins.txt online and warn people about differences in their plugin lists. 

I think the way all this gets implemented will depend on what makes most sense for the consoles. And to what extent Beth decides to care at all about what is happening in those private worlds.

 

It is important that "online" doesn't mean streaming. The game and the mods will still exist and  work locally - the meshes, textures, scripting, plugins. And also Bethesda can't have full control over your mods even if the list is on their servers.  For example a plugin named "abcde.esp" can be anything.

 

I'm considering how Bethesda has Skyrim on pretty much every device now, I would think they would want any new product compatible on any device as well. This really has me feeling that Bethesda would need to have any mod assets on their end. They've been striving to make the modding scene something they can monetize, if it's online and modifiable they pretty much can create a lock in system one iteration greater than the creation club we see today. We mod, they host, we pay/donate to get the mod and mods would need to follow ToS/EULA which really wouldn't work for the adult community if Bethesda hosts the mods.

 

If we get private worlds, then what server does that reside on? Thinking again to PS4, they couldn't host if the system doesn't open up more to allowing 'mesh/texture' mods. Can't see a mobile device hosting over cell/wi fi which means code sitting on a server.  To keep the code in their hands they would need to host or work with companies that could be contracted to host which could add another layer of Terms of Service/End User Licensing. Now considering what's happening in the United Kingdom with adult content, what hosting company could manage the intricacies of adult content, general data privacy from the EU by requiring both consent from the player and the UK government's system of legal form filling registration with the government to opt/in to adult consent?

 

So in my view, contracted hosting becomes a legal quagmire with few companies willing or able to jump through all the hurdles to enable/allow adult content for Fallout76.

 

If hosting means we the players can create a world/map/modded content server, Bethesda is off the hook for legal liabilities but that would also dilute their financial desire to monetize mods unless the player hosting pays to server. It would also mean their server code outside of their control - don't see that happening without some heavy contractual and legal obligations on the host server.

 

I guess I just don't see the how modding with an offline/online system could work for Fallout 76 in relation to adult mods.

 

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prinyo

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2 hours ago, GOodTimes said:

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You assume that the mod files will be hosted online and streamed to the clients. I'm pretty sure this will not be the case. 

 

Having ports for different platforms is a bit misunderstood. As far as I know Skyrim exists on 4 platforms - PC, PS, Xbox and Switch.  SkyrimVR on Steam is a PC game. SkyrimVR on PSVR is a PS game.  It is also a good example for the difference between Beth saying they "support" and what they silently allow,  SkyrimVR officially doesn't support mods and the PS version doesn't really support them, however on a PC all mods for SSE work with a simple INI change. They don't try to port those games to mobile, they make spin-offs. 

They already have established channels for delivering and handling mods, I really doubt they will put more effort in changing them. Especially given that the big moneymaker will be the "public world". And the idea that V76 will be supported and maintained by BattleCry and not by the main BGS studio. 

 

Very shortly after the beta starts I expect people will try to drop the V76 files into FO4 and run it as a mod/DLC. The result of this experiment will tel us what are the chances of the PC modding of the game going forward.  I expect that it will work with probably small patches needed here and there.  Similarly to the way the flat FO4 DLCs work with FO4VR without been ported officially. As always I expect Bethesda will let the community figure it out. 

Thinking about it, if V76 does "happen" to work as an addon to FO4 this will be a win-win, especially for Bethesda that will collect the money from all the SP players and will not have to think about providing mod support in V76 itself.

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prinyo

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44 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

Will the game be with dedicated servers or is it P2P like GTA Online for example?

It will be servers with 24 to 32 players in a "world". How many exactly - will be decided during the beta. You as a player have no choice to which server to connect.

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Mexicola88

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This doesn't really answer the question if it's P2P or not. I could imagine only the important data like stats, items, location, progress etc. is transfered to a global server and there will be hosts that are the "server" like in GTAO. Or you really think there will be dedicated servers but we can't choose where we wanna join?

 

Edit: Found this post on Reddit.

 

"Todd was pretty clear about it being dedicated servers; which would line up with the idea we'll eventually get private "worlds" and modding support to greatly extend the life of the game. The bad news...is...we'll likely get those private servers when they're ramping up to shut their servers down."

 

Okay so now i know it. Thanks anyway. 

 

 

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prinyo

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12 minutes ago, Halstrom said:

Well that was boring, just 2 girls in Fallout Jumpsuits...…...

You need to click on the red thingy below the picture to see all other pictures. It is quite confusing... 

But the story was good, I liked it.

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4 minutes ago, Subboyty said:

could it be possible to mod fallout 76 with sex mods, how much potential do you see personally?  would any of you rent a server for erp and maybe an extension to 50 players?   I kind of wanna see some discussion on this.

And get reported for nudity? Or worse?

 

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