Fallout 76 announcement? (Bethesda Live Stream)

[Subboyty]

3 minutes ago, VonHelton said:

And get reported for nudity? Or worse?

 

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well private worlds are private servers I believe, that is the business of the owner of the server and the persons who join the server so no report for nudity in that server, I know its a joke but incase you are serious.

[dboura]

A PW server would be possible if they allow for community modding off CC sites. Just all on the server would need to have identical load orders for them to be perfectly in sync with each other. It's doable and with the LL groups you could possibly set up one for specific servers so they could find whats needed specifically for the server, help share info with each other and such. But first it would come down to how Bethesda allows server usage and modding.

 

Kind of makes be think of the old NWN PW's I used to run with.

[viasqi]

18 hours ago, Subboyty said:

could it be possible to mod fallout 76 with sex mods

- hope so , up until now Loverslab mods on the new multiplayer framework is the only thing interesting about the game

 

18 hours ago, VonHelton said:

would any of you rent a server for erp

- most likely the private servers would be hosted by the player , and other would join , no point in making them online only

 

- fallout 76 has good potential for loverlab modding , expecially since 3dxchat charges 19 $ / months , this one is free , and open to modding

[Kargrin]

More news : https://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-76-has-fast-travel-and-players-under-level-5-cant-die-in-pvp/

I hope they know what they're doing.

[Halstrom]

1 hour ago, Kargrin said:

More news : https://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-76-has-fast-travel-and-players-under-level-5-cant-die-in-pvp/

I hope they know what they're doing.

As long as PvP is optional, I may play Co-Op but never PvP because there is always some PvP arsehole out to ruin others fun  

[Kargrin]

I don't think it will be optional though, based on the E3 interviews with Todd.

They want to make a full multiplayer pvp game, but keep talking about adding griefing protection mechanisms (as an answer to the initial bad reception).

[Shadow_Hazard]

On 7/3/2018 at 11:03 AM, Halstrom said:

As long as PvP is optional, I may play Co-Op but never PvP because there is always some PvP arsehole out to ruin others fun  

I'm in the same boat. The forced PvP element is enough to make me pass on the game entirely.

 

Unfortunately there is no such thing as optional in an online game with PvP (without the PvE and PvP players being separated with servers). Optional PvP will mean that you can merely TRY to avoid it. Interviews with Todd confirm this so far. I honestly doubt he's ever played an online game in his life, because he doesn't seem to know how PvP games or their players work. His idea of optional is that a player has the choice to engage or try to run when someone starts shooting at them. What Todd and many PvP-centric players are seemingly unable to comprehend is that, no, that is NOT optional PvP. It's like claiming that being assaulted in the street is optional, when the victim has no choice in the matter. Optional would mean that we could disable it, not just try to avoid it and hope to succeed. Sadly this is not going to happen.

 

[Halstrom]

7 minutes ago, Shadow_Hazard said:

I'm in the same boat. The forced PvP element is enough to make me pass on the game entirely.

 

Unfortunately there is no such thing as optional in an online game with PvP (without the PvE and PvP players being separated with servers). Optional PvP will mean that you can merely TRY to avoid it. Interviews with Todd confirm this so far. I honestly doubt he's ever played an online game in his life, because he doesn't seem to know how PvP games or their players work. His idea of optional is that a player has the choice to engage or try to run when someone starts shooting at them. What Todd and many PvP-centric players are seemingly unable to comprehend is that, no, that is NOT optional PvP. It's like claiming that being assaulted in the street is optional, when the victim has no choice in the matter. Optional would mean that we could disable it, not just try to avoid it and hope to succeed. Sadly this is not going to happen.

 

World of Warcraft and Ctiy of Heroes both had PvP areas I never went into and it worked fine, they weren't separate servers as I remember although there were servers with only PvP too. Its just a flag that says you can't assault other players in certain areas at all, you can talk and trade but not fight anything except NPC's. And if there's Non-PvP servers, I'll just play on them.

[Guest]

On 7/2/2018 at 9:03 PM, Halstrom said:

 there is always some PvP arsehole out to ruin others fun  

Someone call? PvP arsehole here ?

But that depends on your perspective my favorite pastime was looking for level 30+ players who where tormenting much lower level players and kick their arses for it. I remember one time I saw 2 level 30 players taking turns killing a level 10 player and making it impossible for them to play. So I took my maxed out full god gear char and kicked their butts and sat on them so that that level 10 player could do their thing and move on. To those 2 level 30's I was ruining their fun but to that level 10 I was a freaking god send.

 

But yeah you do find a lot jerks and there should be PvE servers or at the very least PvP designated areas.

[Reginald_001]

I played MP when I was young, in the 90's and 00's. It was really fun back then. Most players (99.9%) were good people, just looking to have fun online. I've played many hours and met many cool players back then. I remember playing Rune multiplayer dozens of hours online with other players, having lots of laughs and 'GG's'.

 

Then something happened.

Enemy Territory.

 

And it introduced a different kind of playing style. An a-social kind of playing style.

And it went downhill from there, Counterstrike was when it actually exploded. Most players turned into assholes, you couldn't come on a server without either being accused of cheating when you were good, or being called 'n00b assh0l3' if you weren't. Then there were the real cheaters... That's when I clocked out.

 

I returned several times too... and tried several different games online, but it always stayed the same. Spawn campers, trolling, getting voted off or kicked off for being good, getting killed by your own team-mates because 'they don't know you and get the fuck off of this server'.. it will be the same for Fallout, because people just can't handle themselves online.

 

It's not that I don't like Fallout, or the idea of Fallout 76, It's just that I don't like most people in multiplayer games because they turn into assholes.

[KoolHndLuke]

On 7/4/2018 at 2:40 AM, namaradus said:

Someone call? PvP arsehole here ?

But that depends on your perspective my favorite pastime was looking for level 30+ players who where tormenting much lower level players and kick their arses for it. I remember one time I saw 2 level 30 players taking turns killing a level 10 player and making it impossible for them to play. So I took my maxed out full god gear char and kicked their butts and sat on them so that that level 10 player could do their thing and move on. To those 2 level 30's I was ruining their fun but to that level 10 I was a freaking god send.

 

But yeah you do find a lot jerks and there should be PvE servers or at the very least PvP designated areas.

Sticking it to the bullies by bullying them....I like it! I have actually heard and read about cases where players would get so obsessed with defeating this kind of thing that they sink further and further into depression and commit suicide. People can be so cruel.

 

There should be something like official referees that watch for this kind of thing and boot ppl who do it.

[Halstrom]

18 hours ago, Reginald_001 said:

I played MP when I was young, in the 90's and 00's. It was really fun back then. Most players (99.9%) were good people, just looking to have fun online. I've played many hours and met many cool players back then. I remember playing Rune multiplayer dozens of hours online with other players, having lots of laughs and 'GG's'.

 

Then something happened.

Enemy Territory.

 

And it introduced a different kind of playing style. An a-social kind of playing style.

And it went downhill from there, Counterstrike was when it actually exploded. Most players turned into assholes, you couldn't come on a server without either being accused of cheating when you were good, or being called 'n00b assh0l3' if you weren't. Then there were the real cheaters... That's when I clocked out.

 

I returned several times too... and tried several different games online, but it always stayed the same. Spawn campers, trolling, getting voted off or kicked off for being good, getting killed by your own team-mates because 'they don't know you and get the fuck off of this server'.. it will be the same for Fallout, because people just can't handle themselves online.

 

It's not that I don't like Fallout, or the idea of Fallout 76, It's just that I don't like most people in multiplayer games because they turn into assholes.

Yeah, I have to say City of Heroes initially had a good community, I rarely experienced problem players in that playing Co-Op and you could RolePlay a bit even and get some great laughs dying and losing, I used to play The Tick and even Bat Manuel or Arthur or characters set up completely opposite to their class. But slowly a lot of trouble came from PvP obsession, missions over level 25 became super serious players only, like was happening in Warcraft at the same time I was playing it, people started criticising your power choices and kicking you from teams and it turned a lot of people off. The game became flooded with people trying to get to Level 50 as fast as possible so they could go Uber in PvP rather than enjoy the ride to Level 50. People would leave the team and quit a mission 1/4 of the way because they XP per minute ratio wasn't satisfactory. They want brute force clearing of missions, not tactical ingenuity. We started getting much higher level players invite us into high level missions then order everyone else to stay at the door while they cleared it.

The only Multiplayer I now play is World of Tanks and its like playing with 9yo's sometimes, the number of people buying high level accounts is ridiculous. To see a super heavy Maus wander up the open field of a map alone, hit by all 15 of the enemy team and die without firing a shot in the first minute of a 15minute battle or hiding at the back next to the artillery waiting for the enemy to kill half the team before they fire their gun, then the other half of the team die spotting targets before he is even shot at. Some people don't get that sometimes your job is to die gloriously for the team to win. Or the entire team just lemmings up one side of the map then stops and camps in cover halfway because they find a single enemy scout, then the fast tanks either die fighting the enemy heavy tanks or fail to even go back when the enemy start capturing the base.

[prankster]

They said modding will be service... aka pay for it, aka no adult mods... which means this will be just RUST reskin at best

[KoolHndLuke]

23 hours ago, prankster said:

They said modding will be service... aka pay for it, aka no adult mods... which means this will be just RUST reskin at best

You really expected different given the direction Beth is going? I personally do not expect them to ever give the support to the modding community that they have in the past. They see more money to be made through control of everything. I hope I am dead wrong, though.

[Ernest Lemmingway]

58 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

They see more money to be made through control of everything.

The best laid plans...we'll see how a lack of open mod support goes for them. At least we still have Skyrim. ....Well, Oldrim unless someone figures out a way to completely cut out the CC and its "upgrades" from Newrim.

[Kargrin]

On 7/6/2018 at 11:02 AM, prankster said:

They said modding will be service... aka pay for it, aka no adult mods... which means this will be just RUST reskin at best

Source on that?

[KoolHndLuke]

58 minutes ago, Ernest Lemmingway said:

The best laid plans...we'll see how a lack of open mod support goes for them. At least we still have Skyrim. ....Well, Oldrim unless someone figures out a way to completely cut out the CC and its "upgrades" from Newrim.

I don't think their strategy is to ever flat-out alienate the mod community. But, more a gradual move towards monetizing mods to add to their bottom line.

 

The love is gone, but, they're not willing to file for divorce....yet....and they will be the ex-wife who gets everything if they ever do.

[Destynova99]

I might have misinterpreted but my impression on pvp is that there won't be a lot of incentive for it. Kill someone and you might get a few caps maybe, but not much to really make it worthwhile. And if you kill a lot of people you get a bounty put on you and that will mean everyone will hunt you down and kill you to collect the bounty. And if you do kill someone they just respawn somewhere close by and return to doing their thing with minimal inconvenience.  So you can kill them if you like... but it might be more advantageous to work together with them, or just leave them be. That's the impression I got from snippets here and there of when they talked about multiplayer, so I may be way off base. I guess we'll see.

 

I'm far more interested in whether private servers will allow nexus/LL modding, or only "creation club" crap. 

[shadowlord445]

I can't imagine what the performance will be like when 40 people start flinging missiles and mini nukes at each other.

[Destynova99]

3 minutes ago, shadowlord445 said:

I can't imagine what the performance will be like when 40 people start flinging missiles and mini nukes at each other.

From what they've said in interviews so far it sounds like they're going to have anywhere from 16 to 24 people per server, and it's a map that's like four times larger than Fallout 4s so you won't run into other players all the time unless you want to. So I doubt you'd have anything close to that, unless everyone decided to congregate in the same area for some reason.

[winny257]

On 7/2/2018 at 5:09 AM, Subboyty said:

well private worlds are private servers I believe, that is the business of the owner of the server and the persons who join the server so no report for nudity in that server, I know its a joke but incase you are serious.

1.) Fallout 76 is an American game (Online), Violence in the game is tolerated (advocated), pornographic material in a conventional game is against not desirable (I would say, forbidden).
2.) Private server is only so long Private as long as you use it alone, as soon as a second person joins, is this server no longer private!
and with 50 players it could quite come to conflicts! I mean in moral regard! 

and 3.) all 50 players would have to use the same mods, otherwise there are 100% CTDs. 

[Veniat]

44 minutes ago, winny257 said:

2.) Private server is only so long Private as long as you use it alone, as soon as a second person joins, is this server no longer private!
and with 50 players it could quite come to conflicts! I mean in moral regard! 

and 3.) all 50 players would have to use the same mods, otherwise there are 100% CTDs. 

If it's anything like the other online survival or fps games then it'd have varying privacy settings; Private, Friends Only, Clan, Public.  Syncing mods is crazy easy to check for, it'd just be a simple checksum that'd send a hash of your current mod list that'd be checked against anyone wanting to join, if it doesn't match and if it's like ark and conan the mods will be automatically downloaded either from the server's local copy or from a central repository.  

It's not that complex, all this stuff has been hashed out by game companies for over a decade now. 

[winny257]

24 minutes ago, Veniat said:

If it's anything like the other online survival or fps games then it'd have varying privacy settings; Private, Friends Only, Clan, Public.  Syncing mods is crazy easy to check for, it'd just be a simple checksum that'd send a hash of your current mod list that'd be checked against anyone wanting to join, if it doesn't match and if it's like ark and conan the mods will be automatically downloaded either from the server's local copy or from a central repository.  

It's not that complex, all this stuff has been hashed out by game companies for over a decade now. 

it is already possible, my experience is limited here.
but one thing I know, Bethesda will not sexmods tolerate, already in Skyrim these mods were a thorn in the Eyes.

[Veniat]

2 hours ago, winny257 said:

it is already possible, my experience is limited here.
but one thing I know, Bethesda will not sexmods tolerate, already in Skyrim these mods were a thorn in the Eyes.

To be honest I don't think they give a damn about sex mods unless it's hosted on their servers, if they release the hosting software so people can get their own dedicated servers running we'd probably get them.  Bethesda could easily get rid of sex mods if they really wanted to make it an issue, they own and license the mod software, anything that interacts with their game has to be licensed by them in some way, if they wanted to get rid of them they could drive LL into the ground. 

Sex mods in general are controversial, it's got nothing to do with kids or whatever but the fact that most politicians and parents consider games to still be a kids thing despite the fact that most gamers I know are in their 30s or late 20s.   No company is going to touch that with a 10-foot pole, let alone the major console developers which would also need to be consulted, on the off chance that there's another dumb-ass hot coffee situation in the media. 

Beyond Bethesda though sex mods are information heavy so it's doubtful they'd be made unless a version of xSE is developed for the new dedicated server software which, again, would need to be released publicly. 

 

I don't know why I'm saying all this though considering something like it in some variation has been repeated quite often throughout this entire thread. 

[Subboyty]

well I have experienced loverslab with conan exiles and they give me confidence in bringing sex mods to fallout 76, I think I am just optimistic and hoping on it.