Devious Devices

[Kalron28]

How was I rude? I didn't understand what he meant. I have no intentions to disrespect any mod creator. I have nothing but the utmost respect for ALL mod creators. If I came off rude I apologize. Wasn't my intention. Thank you for the advice.

[Dont Tell My Parents]

On 7/1/2024 at 4:43 AM, Kalron28 said:

How was I rude? I didn't understand what he meant. I have no intentions to disrespect any mod creator. I have nothing but the utmost respect for ALL mod creators. If I came off rude I apologize. Wasn't my intention. Thank you for the advice.

 

I'm sorry that was my bad then, I read that as you telling them they had no idea what they were talking about. I didn't realise you meant "I've" before "no idea" :).

 

You can convert pretty easily in Outfit Studio using the instructions I posted before (watch the video on the reference page) it's just super time consuming. If you get stuck just message me and I will help you out.

[0omut0]

On 6/22/2024 at 2:04 PM, Elsidia said:

There is 5% possibility, that is because Rogvir's manager not updated to RC8 and RC9. Author waits, while it will officially announced as new DD. RC9 not changes anything in original mod, only fix bugs and added new devices. In theory Rogvir's manager must use only those devices, what is in mod list and ignore new items. Anyway ask how it works on this mod page. Also check your Rogvir's manager settings: is this there enabled any other items. And if you not install this mod - old Sexual Harassment not works without this mod. I stop follow this mod long time ago, maybe something changes.

 

Oh... 

Thank you very much, you reminded me of my mistake. When the assembly was being built from scratch, I completely forgot to replace the Master file in the Rogvir's manager, and I successfully missed the notification about its shutdown.... As a result, it didn't work)

[ramce]

Hey, I have a bug that makes my character gaged noises even when there is nothing equipped. Can't get rid of it. Any Ideas? (I use wasteland of depravity modlist)

[izzyknows]

1 hour ago, ramce said:

Hey, I have a bug that makes my character gaged noises even when there is nothing equipped. Can't get rid of it. Any Ideas? (I use wasteland of depravity modlist)

That usually happens when the device is not removed properly. ie: script lag at the moment another mod removes it or using console commands to force remove it. Never use console commands as it can't terminate the attached scripts.

So, craft another gag, equip it, exit the Pip-Boy & wait a little bit, go back in and remove it properly. That usually will fix the issue.

[ramce]

22 minutes ago, izzyknows said:

That usually happens when the device is not removed properly. ie: script lag at the moment another mod removes it or using console commands to force remove it. Never use console commands as it can't terminate the attached scripts.

So, craft another gag, equip it, exit the Pip-Boy & wait a little bit, go back in and remove it properly. That usually will fix the issue.

I tried everything i though off, equipping my self, making scenario where npcs will force my char to equip gag, but nothing worked.

[MajorWard]

So I have RC9 installed and have the Fusion Girl nude body.  I batch built with morphs, making sure to select FG options for all the DD items and, while the corsets, dresses etc. show on my character when worn, the plugs and vibrators are invisible? 

 

They showed on the character on the old DD 2.0 (the ends would stick out of the pussy / ass, sometimes even through the clothes) but not RC9.  I have the patches for FG and all seem to be installed correctly.  The effects of the plugs / vibes are applied when worn and all the menus appear when inserting / removing, just nothing visible on the character.

Edited July 9, 2024 by MajorWard

[Elsidia]

8 hours ago, MajorWard said:

and, while the corsets, dresses etc. show on my character when worn, the plugs and vibrators are invisible? 

This is RC9 feature. There is added device hider, when you wear a DD items similar to Skyrim version. If you want to see, disable in mod manager DD_Hidder addon and all will work as old DD 2.0.

[MajorWard]

12 hours ago, Elsidia said:

This is RC9 feature. There is added device hider, when you wear a DD items similar to Skyrim version. If you want to see, disable in mod manager DD_Hidder addon and all will work as old DD 2.0.

 

Disabled the plugin and sadly they are still not visible. 

Edit: I disabled the PlugFix mod, rebuilt the assets in Bodyslide and the plugs showed on my character but the textures were distorted to the point they looked squashed flat.  

Edited July 10, 2024 by MajorWard

[MajorWard]

Sorted it out now...eventually!  

 

I disabled the Plug Fixes addon and that made the plugs visible but distorted as another user mentioned, I rebuilt all assets but used vanilla rather than FG, which sorted the plugs issue out (Hurrah!) but wearing other DD apparel really messed with overlays and other apparel such as the vault suit.  So I rebuilt AGAIN (that's a lot of box checking / unchecking just to sort a minor issue but I am stubborn sometimes) with vanilla plugs and FG apparel and, touch wood, it all seems to be ok now!  

Phew! 

[Spaceguest991]

So idea I kinda had for DDRC9, Was that plugs like vibrators can wake you up when you try to sleep with them in. maybe just once a day so the player can sleep if need, I'm just not sure if the idea would be best suited to the main DDRC mod or another mod to add things like that.

[Dont Tell My Parents]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:50 PM, Elsidia said:

Ahhh...... Now i understand))))

People? You read mod description, when you install? Do it. Please.....

I specially open Sexual Harassments page and made screenshot of it:

  Reveal hidden contents

So. What there is for missing?

Ok. Why Sexual Harrasment and some other mentioned mods not use DD items? Because those mods (it 100% for Sexual Harassments about other mods don't sure as example AAF violate works with manager and without too) requirements is Roggvir's DD Items Manager and without it not apply DD items. You can stand on head, but not got DD items even on  DD 2.0 original. And yes, blue part is link to this mod. Please open it and install. But handcuffs, what you got is from mod Real Handcuffs, what not use Roggvir's DD Items Manager. So simple.

 

Solution. Install Roggvir's DD Items Manager, configure it, if you want (by default it uses all original DD 2.0 items) and even with RC9 you will see restraints on you. 

 

Alright so I'm having a lot of trouble with this. I don't have AKWCR and Rogg DD requires it. If I try to config without it it says its own plugin is missing. I also can't remove the dependency. Found the AKWCR free Rogg yay https://www.loverslab.com/topic/93933-roggvirs-dd-items-manager/page/5/#comment-3548561

Also some bugs I ran into when crafting equipment:
1. I put a piercing on and could never take it off again because it magically applied a 5h lockout timer because I looked at it which I really don't like. I never got the option to manipulate locks, this also happens with several catsuits.

2. I put a latex catsuit on and it didn't give me the option to manipulate so I clicked a different catsuit thinking it wasn't locked and it got stuck equipping and unequipping both of them...and I mean CONSTANTLY. Even in the pipboy or on the MCM screen they both forced the other one off which would reapply itself. I couldn't use any debug tools because it kept switching. Worse I somehow managed to get one off me, then the other, but I was still wearing one of them and couldn't get it off even if I rewore it and took it off so I had to reload.

3. There are no debug options to unequip items on myself and on people in my crosshairs so I was SOL.

4. https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/58440 strips the player for using the toilet and shower (with shower mods). Doing that can mess with the devices. It's a pretty popular mod so I'm hoping you can take a look and make sure it's safe.

Edited July 12, 2024 by Dont Tell My Parents

[Elsidia]

Without any valuable information i can say on it works.  Mod list, Fallout 4 version, load order, papyrus log of that moment, items id or at least names (names not say anything as those can be equal for different mods.

So do some voodoos magic:

15 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

I put a piercing on and could never take it off again because it magically applied a 5h lockout timer

 

15 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

I put a latex catsuit on and it didn't give me the option to manipulate

In DD is variable what skips manipulate thing, but it never put on original catsuits or piercings [item ID] and any item have lockdown timer for keys (not for escape) or it sounds like you have damaged DD (some mods rewrite scripts, mod manager left active some part from old DD etc) [mod list, load order, papyrus log] 

15 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

so I clicked a different catsuit thinking it wasn't locked and it got stuck equipping and unequipping both of them...and I mean CONSTANTLY

Sounds like you have damaged DD or items [papyrus log] - at least item protection system works.

15 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

the player for using the toilet and shower (with shower mods).

DD is framework and there we can't do anything. It's up to mod authors made fix in own mods for DD items not stripping. As for shower mods it uses command unequip all - what totally kills all. At least in theory with working DD 2.0 RC9 - protection system will be equip back all DD items. What will happen later knows only mod author.

 

 In your case i will recommend first do from this post https://www.loverslab.com/topic/73925-devious-devices/page/208/#comment-4159706

Start read with line: Clean save not necessary, but highly recommended. Item remover is in the same post as file.

Then completely remove DD 2.0 RC9 and DD 2.0 - be sure not left anything in MO2. Then install fresh version of DD 2.0 RC9 - not install DD 2.0 original or RC8 - it must be removed too! If you use Vortex it will completely rewrite any other mods patches of DD and those mods cans top working. 

Check with the same items how it work now. If still not - send me papyrus log, mod list and mod load order with numbers. So i can check what's going on.

[Dont Tell My Parents]

On 7/13/2024 at 6:15 PM, Elsidia said:

Without any valuable information i can say on it works.  Mod list, Fallout 4 version, load order, papyrus log of that moment, items id or at least names (names not say anything as those can be equal for different mods.

So do some voodoos magic:

 

In DD is variable what skips manipulate thing, but it never put on original catsuits or piercings [item ID] and any item have lockdown timer for keys (not for escape) or it sounds like you have damaged DD (some mods rewrite scripts, mod manager left active some part from old DD etc) [mod list, load order, papyrus log] 

Sounds like you have damaged DD or items [papyrus log] - at least item protection system works.

DD is framework and there we can't do anything. It's up to mod authors made fix in own mods for DD items not stripping. As for shower mods it uses command unequip all - what totally kills all. At least in theory with working DD 2.0 RC9 - protection system will be equip back all DD items. What will happen later knows only mod author.

 

 In your case i will recommend first do from this post https://www.loverslab.com/topic/73925-devious-devices/page/208/#comment-4159706

Start read with line: Clean save not necessary, but highly recommended. Item remover is in the same post as file.

Then completely remove DD 2.0 RC9 and DD 2.0 - be sure not left anything in MO2. Then install fresh version of DD 2.0 RC9 - not install DD 2.0 original or RC8 - it must be removed too! If you use Vortex it will completely rewrite any other mods patches of DD and those mods cans top working. 

Check with the same items how it work now. If still not - send me papyrus log, mod list and mod load order with numbers. So i can check what's going on.

 

It would be good to have an option to remove that lockout altogether. Even if just a debug. I will give the fix you suggested a go! Thank you!

[DerangedWookiee]

I know it says that Armor Keyword Resource is a required mod, but how well with this run without it installed?

[vaultbait]

5 minutes ago, DerangedWookiee said:

I know it says that Armor Keyword Resource is a required mod, but how well with this run without it installed?

 

Use the RC9 community build instead of official 2.0. RC9 has countless bugs fixed and no longer depends on AWKCR.

Edited July 19, 2024 by vaultbait

[Dont Tell My Parents]

Help! If I use a key it tells me it's the wrong key, I even console commanded a bunch of keys in and somehow I have the wrong key for everything. I can't get the nipple piercings I made on the bench and put on myself off at all. The timers reset on EVERYTHING every single time I try to do anything with them. When the key breaks it tells me I'm too tired from the last attempt to try unlocking again. If I so much as look at a device it resets the timer for 3, 4, 5, 6h. I just really want these timers gone they are a nightmare. I built the item remover and it says I can't use them because things are already on me. Please help this is really frustrating :'(.

 

We NEED a debug remove equipped items. Real Handcuffs has one but it doesn't recognise DD.

We need a way to talk to other NPCs and ask for help.

[Here4SlootyMods]

Speaking of Nipple Piercings, in Fusion Girl even with

Nipple Piercings aren't showing up (any of them).

 

The other stuff I've tested so far seem to work, though.

 

 

 

 

 

With CBBE (3BBB) they show up but don't jiggle with the character.

Edited July 20, 2024 by Here4SlootyMods

[izzyknows]

31 minutes ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

We need a way to talk to other NPCs and ask for help.

If you have master lock pick you can just pick the locks and never need keys.

Sexual Harassment has the features you're looking for and you can set a hot key to "struggle" out of the devices using willpower.

Boston Devious Helper has the options to to ask, beg, or demand help. With a hot key to turn the mod off when not needed.

 

And remember, Devious Devices is a "framework". But a debug remove all DD items would be nice at times.

[izzyknows]

24 minutes ago, Here4SlootyMods said:

Speaking of Nipple Piercings, in Fusion Girl even with

That's where you need to ask for help.

 

[Dont Tell My Parents]

12 minutes ago, izzyknows said:

If you have master lock pick you can just pick the locks and never need keys.

Sexual Harassment has the features you're looking for and you can set a hot key to "struggle" out of the devices using willpower.

Boston Devious Helper has the options to to ask, beg, or demand help. With a hot key to turn the mod off when not needed.

 

And remember, Devious Devices is a "framework". But a debug remove all DD items would be nice at times.

 

Thank you! I used Sexual Harassment's debug to get a DD approach with 100% removal set. But it didn't remove the piercing. I had to pick that and thank god it finally let me. I did look at BDH but it seems more involved than I want right now...but now I have a reason to level up lockpicking ha ha.

 

I think a basic "help me" response on NPCs would be a good part to have in a framework so people can know how to build onto it? Or a hotkey? Or something. I just mouth words at them with a gag and even the one line that's a question does nothing. I swear I remember those lines resulting in NPC's saying shit like "oh you want me to fuck you? Ok" and then you're in trouble. They don't say anything now, there's not even subtitles so I dunno what they're saying.

 

Also another bug to note: the name of the chastity belt/addon changes after activities but the color doesn't. So mine was renamed to say red, then black, then white but the color didn't change that I could tell. It was the latex one if that matters.

 

And one more....if I have unshackled chains on AND cuffs it lets me into my pipboy (shouldn't because I had wrist cuffs) and it also locks the chains to me even though they're unshackled. I've also had it give me issues when putting devices on NPCs, if I try to use unshackled versions.

 

Also if someone can tell me where to alter the timers I'm happy to do it myself, maybe even release a patch if you guys want, but I can't see anything related to timers except the text in xEdit.

[Elsidia]

12 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

Even if just a debug. I will give the fix you suggested a go! Thank you!

 

6 hours ago, izzyknows said:

But a debug remove all DD items would be nice at times.

Ok fixed it in my mind. At that point of service functions of RC9 it is possible. Only need write it and figure out how to use in MCM button type menu)

7 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

When the key breaks it tells me I'm too tired from the last attempt to try unlocking again.

 

5 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

Also if someone can tell me where to alter the timers I'm happy to do it myself, maybe even release a patch if you guys want, but I can't see anything related to timers except the text in xEdit.

Sounds like you have set zero difficulty in MCM.  it most hard. Set difficulty in MCM to 9 (it most easy) Mostly key not breaks, remove some actions in escape and timers always are 1 hour.

5 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

Also another bug to note: the name of the chastity belt/addon changes after activities but the color doesn't.

Can you describe: what activity, from what mod and maybe papyrus log? item id and name too please. Maybe with log i can find it myself.

6 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

And one more....if I have unshackled chains on AND cuffs it lets me into my pipboy (shouldn't because I had wrist cuffs) and it also locks the chains to me even though they're unshackled. I've also had it give me issues when putting devices on NPCs, if I try to use unshackled versions.

 

All devices need keys not matter shackled or unshackled. You can put it as manipulate it - then you can remove easily.

[Dont Tell My Parents]

It was the latex corset and corset addon from Devious Devices. And the unshackled versions were put on me by sexual harassment :D. Because I kept going into my inventory to check if I could try to unlock I noticed the name changing from red latex corset to black and white and so on but the color didn't change. I can't remember if it was the corset or the addon specifically.

[Elsidia]

18 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

And the unshackled versions were put on me by sexual harassment

Works as intended - unshackled versions just don't have tied up animations, but locked as all other things.

18 hours ago, Dont Tell My Parents said:

It was the latex corset and corset addon from Devious Devices

Still not know what animation was triggered and from what mod,  but without  papyrus log can't say anything. Even in theory can't say what happens. Only if somemod use back equip items without DD functions, then maybe it can happen. But DD must care about it. All info is in papyrus log. If not, then DD wasn't triggered in that process.

[Dont Tell My Parents]

It was Sexual Harassment doing a blackmail approach. Nothing fancy.