What's on your mind?

[2dk2c.2]

2 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

It will be a Utopia for a bit- almost literally anything we need or want without effort. But it will mask something far more sinister I fear. We can't even track how fast A.I. is progressing at this point with the question of ethics being somewhere far down on the checklist.

 

To think I actually believed I would outlive all this..... 

 

 

There's a robotic-sounding mostly female choir singing "Here we come a wassailing" in my head, 

And I got to thinking that greedy preachers might want a choir of bots, or one bot with 64 voices and an organ.

Send your seed so's we can buy the organ.

Get this adorable blanket in return.

 

But maybe the first primitive use(s) will be chatbot thread-starters in forums.

 

[KoolHndLuke]

32 minutes ago, 2dk2c.2 said:

But maybe the first primitive use(s) will be chatbot thread-starters in forums.

Why does this seem like a personal admission? "Sparky" is your nickname now. 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[steelpanther24]

1 hour ago, 2dk2c.2 said:

But maybe the first primitive use(s) will be chatbot thread-starters in forums.

 

 

LOL, church!

 

3 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

It will be a Utopia for a bit- almost literally anything we need or want without effort. But it will mask something far more sinister I fear. We can't even track how fast A.I. is progressing at this point with the question of ethics being somewhere far down on the checklist.

 

To think I actually believed I would outlive all this..... 

 

 

 

What is AI?   I am guessing you mean neural networks, which no matter how much they learn, they will never match humans for cruelty, stupidity, creativity, and entrepreneurial spirit.   I think we will always be the smartest, and the dumbest intelligence on the earth for quite a long time.   While it won't be danger free, every new "breakthrough tech" comes with its share of "predictions" which depending the mood of the people at the time of imagining the future will be either negative or positive.    

 

Spoiler

 

 

Like the saying goes "No one is as dumb as all of us".

[Psalam]

I have been reading Andy Weir's book Project Hail Mary, which is science fiction for those unfamiliar with the work. Anyway, I've come to realize that as a real tribute to my skepticism it isn't the scientific leaps or the space aliens that I have the most difficulty believing. It is that, in the face of the imminent destruction of all human life, the governments of Earth manage to cooperate to deal with the issue.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Psalam said:

I have been reading Andy Weir's book Project Hail Mary, which is science fiction for those unfamiliar with the work. Anyway, I've come to realize that as a real tribute to my skepticism it isn't the scientific leaps or the space aliens that I have the most difficulty believing. It is that, in the face of the imminent destruction of all human life, the governments of Earth manage to cooperate to deal with the issue.

> You don't believe in aliens???

[Miauzi]

Vor 14 Stunden sagte 2dk2c.2:

Da ist ein roboterhaft klingender, überwiegend weiblicher Chor, der in meinem Kopf "Here we come a wassailing" singt, 

Und ich kam auf den Gedanken, dass gierige Prediger vielleicht einen Bot-Chor wollen oder einen Bot mit 64 Stimmen und einer Orgel.

Senden Sie Ihren Samen, damit wir das Organ kaufen können.

Holen Sie sich diese entzückende Decke zurück.

 

Aber vielleicht werden Chatbot-Thread-Starter in Foren die erste(n) primitive(n) Verwendung(en) sein.

 

 

So I'm now assuming that this happened 10 years ago and that (good) AI bots can no longer be distinguished from "bad" people as things stand today.

2 TV programs in the last few months have caught my attention - both were about AI ... in one sat the current German chess grand champion - who herself works in AI research.

Nobody programs a computer to play chess anymore - you don't need to teach it an opening or the rules of moves - these neural networks find that out for themselves within 15 minutes...
...after 1-2 hours they are already playing openings - which are not listed anywhere in the various literature (opening libraries - had themselves - around 30 volumes) ... and do not lose - because these are not faulty (but completely unknown) ways are.

How it all works internally ... research already NO longer knows - in other words, it is no longer comprehensible because it is too complex even for a whole group of experts.

The second program was about the currently much-discussed chat bot - the head of the German Ethics Council was also there.
All discussion participants in this TV round had previously had the bot software solve various tasks with their teams of scientists - including presentations or papers - on average around 30 pages.
Only proven experts could decode - that the prepared texts do NOT come from a halfway talented person but from an AI.
We are already talking at university level here - in everyday life, we "normal" people already have no chance to unmask the AI without massive effort.

And I've also found - that I'm already living in a future - that I never wanted to reach.

[Miauzi]

Vor 35 Minuten sagte Psalam:

Ich habe Andy Weirs Buch Project Hail Mary gelesen , das Science-Fiction für diejenigen ist, die mit der Arbeit nicht vertraut sind. Wie auch immer, ich habe festgestellt, dass es als echter Tribut an meine Skepsis nicht die wissenschaftlichen Sprünge oder die Außerirdischen sind, die ich am schwersten zu glauben habe. Es ist so, dass es den Regierungen der Erde angesichts der bevorstehenden Zerstörung allen menschlichen Lebens gelingt, zusammenzuarbeiten, um das Problem anzugehen.

 

Let me guess - the author comes from the USA or the Anglo-Saxon culture...

... well - since more than 100 years the motto has been - that an external war unites the people and gathers behind the government.

Here in Europe, this is often critically caricatured in the form ... that every US President, shortly before his upcoming re-election, allows a war to continue or a new one to begin.
In the film "Iron Sky" (attention -> "Moon Nazis" and "Reichsflugscheibe") the US President there says:
"Moon Nazis?? - What? Really?...that's perfect!...I thought I'd have to bomb Australia to win them for a second term!"

Jup - ganu out of this "narrative" many such stories run in this direction:
"Bad alien emerges - wants to fuck all white women - wants to eat all children - wants world domination - blah blah blah - mankind suffers losses - mankind unites behind heroic President - blah blah blah -..." - honestly - I can neither hear it nor see it - for nearly 100 years, many western SFi stories and films have followed this pattern.

Replace "alien" with "common enemy" - then you have this country's history from the beginning of colonization.
*sarcasm*

[2dk2c.2]

58 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

So I'm now assuming that this happened 10 years ago and that (good) AI bots can no longer be distinguished from "bad" people as things stand today.

2 TV programs in the last few months have caught my attention - both were about AI ... in one sat the current German chess grand champion - who herself works in AI research.

Nobody programs a computer to play chess anymore - you don't need to teach it an opening or the rules of moves - these neural networks find that out for themselves within 15 minutes...
...after 1-2 hours they are already playing openings - which are not listed anywhere in the various literature (opening libraries - had themselves - around 30 volumes) ... and do not lose - because these are not faulty (but completely unknown) ways are.

How it all works internally ... research already NO longer knows - in other words, it is no longer comprehensible because it is too complex even for a whole group of experts.

The second program was about the currently much-discussed chat bot - the head of the German Ethics Council was also there.
All discussion participants in this TV round had previously had the bot software solve various tasks with their teams of scientists - including presentations or papers - on average around 30 pages.
Only proven experts could decode - that the prepared texts do NOT come from a halfway talented person but from an AI.
We are already talking at university level here - in everyday life, we "normal" people already have no chance to unmask the AI without massive effort.

And I've also found - that I'm already living in a future - that I never wanted to reach.

AI translators leave something to be desired  (They SUCK)

 

I never said "semen" and no one is holding my blanket hostage....

 

 

Mass Effect (the set of games I'm playing)

Has the savior of the known universe bucking the shit-tide of Bureaucracy, and several very large robotic inventions. 
IDK, my flippant remark about greedy people wanting money has turned into a statement, apologies.
 

[Psalam]

1 hour ago, Evaloves4 said:

> You don't believe in aliens???

As I said, I believe space aliens are far more likely than Earth governments cooperating - even when the fate of humankind is on the line.

[Darkpig]

19 hours ago, 2dk2c.2 said:

I got as far as "Batman", stopped. Once they ask the AI how to sell itself to you, to compliment your AR glasses, bot Vacuum and sensor watch, You'll start seeing ads, and musk can send another car to Mars.

You'll buy it because it's there, and they told you to.

You'll NEED one, and chicks dig bots.

 

Batman's moustache

Who teaches AI subtext? Old and overweight.

I'm getting errors in the server. Bye

I stopped at the part where it says "w Elon Musk". I've heard he is losing money through his asshole right now so I'm not sure how his word would hold up to actual facts.

19 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

It will be a Utopia for a bit- almost literally anything we need or want without effort. But it will mask something far more sinister I fear. We can't even track how fast A.I. is progressing at this point with the question of ethics being somewhere far down on the checklist.

 

To think I actually believed I would never live to see all this..... 

Utopia? I was thinking more of a cyberpunk future where technology and thus you are owned by the corporate elite. We should be questioning human ethics before questioning AI ethics.

[KoolHndLuke]

5 hours ago, Miauzi said:

Let me guess - the author comes from the USA or the Anglo-Saxon culture...

Yup. The same that originally migrated from Deutschland around the 5th century. But really, nationality and people uniting behind a common cause is hardly exclusive. And it seems.... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I will agree, however, that notions of sovereignty are a purely imaginary construct born out of pride and are thus subject to scrutiny and challenge. And challenge invariably is at the tip of the spear when an impasse is so often reached. 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Miauzi]

Vor 51 Minuten sagte KoolHndLuke:

Jawohl. Die gleichen, die ursprünglich um das 5. Jahrhundert aus Deutschland eingewandert sind. Aber wirklich, Nationalität und Menschen, die sich hinter einer gemeinsamen Sache vereinen, sind keineswegs exklusiv. Und wie es scheint... fällt der Apfel nicht weit vom Stamm. Ich stimme jedoch zu, dass Vorstellungen von Souveränität ein rein imaginäres Konstrukt sind, das aus Stolz geboren wird und daher Gegenstand der Überprüfung und Anfechtung ist. Und die Herausforderung steht immer an der Spitze des Speers, wenn man so oft in eine Sackgasse gerät.

 

 

 

That's all correct so far - but this "uniting behind the leadership authority as soon as an external enemy appears" is nowhere as "cultivated" as in the USA.
This is their special feature, which of course has also shaped the SFi world (novels, films, etc.).

Why is Adenauer or Kissinger - both Chancellors of the conservative parties (in Germany) NOT drawn into the Vietnam War on the side of the USA? - Yes - these official "requests" (rather requests) had existed!
The simple answer was -> "We will definitely lose the next federal election."
(that's why there was only the hospital ship and of course massive arms deliveries to the USA)
So the exact opposite of what happened over decades in countries like the USA.
(that may be different today - but it was just about 50 years)

[2dk2c.2]

15 hours ago, Psalam said:

As I said, I believe space aliens are far more likely than Earth governments cooperating - even when the fate of humankind is on the line.

Mass-effect yada-blah is all about that,

"the aliens are coming!" 
"sez who?"

"Best not piss 'em off"

 

OK I'm being random, not begging for a treatise, but yeah, I'm being inculcated that leadership is mostly tone deaf.

Then (in a better game) Bruce Willis comes to save the day, and flag-wavers cheer.

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Darkpig said:

 We should be questioning human ethics before questioning AI ethics.

>

[KoolHndLuke]

On 3/22/2023 at 8:49 AM, Darkpig said:

We should be questioning human ethics before questioning AI ethics.

Mmm.... and who programs ethics in AI? I thought that was fairly obvious.

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[Miauzi]

Vor 9 Minuten sagte KoolHndLuke:

Mmm.... und wer programmiert Ethik in KI? Ich dachte, das sei ziemlich offensichtlich.

 

An AI is NOT programmed - this contradicts the term "intelligence".

This can only and exclusively arise through learning processes and is therefore not a fixed variable

 

So an AI must and will also acquire what we know as "morality" - but how it does it - depends on its role models.

And this is exactly where the human as a potential "parent" comes away very quickly at the moment

(which has also been a permanent theme in the SFI for 30-40 years)

[KoolHndLuke]

21 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

An AI is NOT programmed - this contradicts the term "intelligence".

Partially true- "AI requires coding language most commonly used in Python, C++ and Java. Python is the most frequently used of these programs, and the most popular libraries for AI are Tensorflow and PyTorch. AI requires knowledge in logic, technology, mathematics and engineering."- https://rehack.com/data/ai/does-ai-require-coding/#:~:text=AI requires coding language most,%2C technology%2C mathematics and engineering.

 

Actually... No, you're mostly wrong- https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/AI-code-of-ethics#:~:text=AI ethics is a system,develop AI codes of ethics.

 

Ever heard of exception handling? 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[KoolHndLuke]

"Is this still a thing in 2023?" from an old screenshot showing a mod that clearly has the name in the title. Won't even bother to put a link there.

 

So many patient search engines waiting to have purpose. So few users that ever think to give them one. 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by KoolHndLuke

[FauxFurry]

36 minutes ago, KoolHndLuke said:

"Is this still a thing in 2023?" from an old screenshot showing a mod that clearly has the name in the title. Won't even bother to put a link there.

 

So many patient search engines waiting to have purpose. So few users that ever think to use any of them. 

 

 

The reluctance of some people, especially young people who grew up with the Internet, to use Search Engines is enough to inspire a rant long enough to fill a page's worth of a Rant Thread.

It is either a testament to how accustomed some people are to having all of their data fed to them or to awareness of how terrible Search Engines have become.

[Grey Cloud]

 

[Grey Cloud]

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. This is going to have ramifications. ?

 

Kudos to Led By Donkeys.

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

 

Dayna Craig

Edited March 27, 2023 by Grey Cloud

[Grey Cloud]

An early contender for 'Mad Woman of the Year'.

British actress Saffron Rose. The Music is the theme from 'Grandstand' a Saturday sports TV program.

 

 

 

[Guest]

> Batman always upgrades his gears and equipment, he even built an armor for fight with Supermen who never built any armor, or shield or piece of equipment against Kryptonite, his greatest weakness that might kill him. Is Batman smarter than Superman?

Edited March 29, 2023 by Evaloves4

[Guest]

> Another one, classic Batman is history now. He was replaced with "Titans" who are replaced with "Gotham knights", bunch of teen kids among who the girls are the smartest, best fighters and leaders. Even Joker is replaced by his daughter. The world is seriously going mad.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Evaloves4