Trapped in Rubber (updated 2015-08-02)

[videosxdfa5]

can you ask the mistress to punish you?

[greyspammer]

can you ask the mistress to punish you?

 

Not in the currently released version.

[slutofshades]

Ok, people, good news. After slvsaris put me in contact with PinkSky (thanks again) for permission regarding his Mujin outfit, PinkSky offered to create a new version of the English riding outfit, just for us.

 

tirriding01.jpg tirriding02.jpg tirriding03.jpg tirriding04.jpg tirriding05.jpg

 

As you can see, he is very talented and managed to really capture the style of the outfit. When I sent him descriptions, I told him I really liked the cravat with a little brooch in one of the pictures from the internet. And he really delivered on that. It's a really nice, elegant detail, befitting the Mistress when she goes to the pony races. I like this outfit very much.

 

You can find the non-rubber version, along with some much better looking screenshots, here, in his blog: http://reachthepinksky.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-125.html

 

The rubberized version will, of course, be included in the next update of TIR (which is still months away, in case you were wondering).

 

Let's all take a moment to thank PinkSky, who made this beautiful outfit especially for us!

Fantastic outfit. Thankyou for the work PinkSky, and keep up the great work on the mod update grey

[MonkeyShoulder]

Ok, people, good news. After slvsaris put me in contact with PinkSky (thanks again) for permission regarding his Mujin outfit, PinkSky offered to create a new version of the English riding outfit, just for us.

 

tirriding01.jpg tirriding02.jpg tirriding03.jpg tirriding04.jpg tirriding05.jpg

 

As you can see, he is very talented and managed to really capture the style of the outfit. When I sent him descriptions, I told him I really liked the cravat with a little brooch in one of the pictures from the internet. And he really delivered on that. It's a really nice, elegant detail, befitting the Mistress when she goes to the pony races. I like this outfit very much.

 

You can find the non-rubber version, along with some much better looking screenshots, here, in his blog: http://reachthepinksky.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-125.html

 

The rubberized version will, of course, be included in the next update of TIR (which is still months away, in case you were wondering).

 

Let's all take a moment to thank PinkSky, who made this beautiful outfit especially for us!

 

Wow that outfit is absolutely fantastic.

[Rubbermatt]

That is an awesome outfit

 

Kudos to PinkSky for creating it.

[Inte]

Doesn't look like rubber/latex tho.

[Farmthat]

Doesn't look like rubber/latex tho.

It's the stitches/seams perhaps. All of that exists on the normal map, and could be smoothed with little effort if desired.

[greyspammer]

 

It's the stitches/seams perhaps. All of that exists on the normal map, and could be smoothed with little effort if desired.

 

 

Also, if you look at real-life rubber riding boots, for example, they have fake seams on them. To make them look more like leather, I suppose.

 

Examples:

http://defd230db96761500ca7-61c6d5aeae250d28854ed3e240a16b15.r17.cf3.rackcdn.com/Products/27101-190313120916301331578.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/529/19980003249_be6c79b89b_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/517/20166661545_2ebb493d4d.jpg

 

So it's not completely inconceivable that the Mistress might have something similar on her outfit. If only to keep the observer on their toes by having them guess and speculate what she might actually be wearing.

[Keb]

Hi greyspammer

 

The riding outfit just look stunning. I can't wait to see it in game

 

I was wondering, I read on your Patrean, that you made the latex catsuit in your mod to take a special slot and be identified as skin in game, and you made this special for that reason to make is possible to wear both the latex catsuit and other outfits together. Like the Riding outfit for Mistress. So I'll get to the point.

 

Two questtions:

1, Will be there more sexy latex / rubber outfits like the Riding outfit? Like a Maid dress, Guard dress, Pony girl outfit, ...

2, When your mod come out will it be possible to wear the catsuit for your mod and the hobble dress ( later straitjacket) over the latex suit ?

[greyspammer]

1, Will be there more sexy latex / rubber outfits like the Riding outfit? Like a Maid dress, Guard dress, Pony girl outfit, ...

 

That is the goal, although it always depends on me finding a decent looking outfit that actually fits on the catsuit. Because the catsuit seems to be more voluminous than the "normal" body, if you use it as skin, it tends to clip through tight fitting clothes.

 

Ideally, someone who knows 3D (I don't know if this can be done with BodySlide or if you'd need a real 3D software) would "shrink-wrap" the catsuit so that is occupies the exact same space as the normal body. Until we find someone to do that, we'll have to live with some graphics glitches. But as long as I find an outfit that I can legally use and that doesn't look too bad when put on top of the catsuit, I'll use it.

 

And sometimes, there just isn't anything. For instance, I would also really like to make the player wear a pony head mask (something like this) during the pony race. But I just can't find something like that for Skyrim. I mean, there are plenty of meshes available for free if you look around, like real horse heads or chess pieces (knight) that probably could be converted. But you still need to edit them, rig them to the body and properly UV map them. I can't do that, I barely know what is required, but definitely not how to do it.

 

 

2, When your mod come out will it be possible to wear the catsuit for your mod and the hobble dress ( later straitjacket) over the latex suit ?

I think so. I mean, you'll definitely be able to wear it. As long as the body slot (32) isn't used. While it's technically not necessary, I still have a dummy armor item there so that people can interact with the suit (e.g. try to remove it - and fail, of course ).

 

So you can wear anything that doesn't use slot 32 (main body). The only question is how good it would look. That depends on the outfit in question and your personal aesthetic pain threshold.

[El_Duderino]

 

That is the goal, although it always depends on me finding a decent looking outfit that actually fits on the catsuit. Because the catsuit seems to be more voluminous than the "normal" body, if you use it as skin, it tends to clip through tight fitting clothes.

 

Ideally, someone who knows 3D (I don't know if this can be done with BodySlide or if you'd need a real 3D software) would "shrink-wrap" the catsuit so that is occupies the exact same space as the normal body.

(...)

 

So you can wear anything that doesn't use slot 32 (main body). The only question is how good it would look. That depends on the outfit in question and your personal aesthetic pain threshold.

 

 

Hi greyspammer,

 

You might be interested in my latest experiment then. I took the UUNP body (femalebody_?), changed the textures and materials, smoothed the nipple and belly button areas and converted it into a catsuit. It has worked pretty well, looks like one of those modern zipperless neck-entry catsuits. The downside are that the wrists, ankles, and neck are cut out much further than on Turbosnowy's catsuit that we are all using so far. On the plus side, my experimental catsuit being created from the actual body shape, there's absolutely zero clipping with anything (though I get only very little of that with UUNP anyway thanks to Gameplayer's awesome sliders) and the Bodyslide sliders already exist too and only would need to be updated.

 

Interested? I'm sure this could be tweaked and refined some more. Hopefully even including longer cuffs and collar so that they'll line up with Turbosnowy's rubber socks and gloves.

 

And your final paragpraph above just gave me the idea that my new catsuit approach could even be merged with vanilla armors. A fur armor on top of a rubber catuit? Ought to look pretty cool.

 

Attaching a picture :

[greyspammer]

You might be interested in my latest experiment then. I took the UUNP body (femalebody_?), changed the textures and materials, smoothed the nipple and belly button areas and converted it into a catsuit. It has worked pretty well, looks like one of those modern zipperless neck-entry catsuits. The downside are that the wrists, ankles, and neck are cut out much further than on Turbosnowy's catsuit that we are all using so far. On the plus side, my experimental catsuit being created from the actual body shape, there's absolutely zero clipping with anything (though I get only very little of that with UUNP anyway thanks to Gameplayer's awesome sliders) and the Bodyslide sliders already exist too and only would need to be updated.

 

Interested? I'm sure this could be tweaked and refined some more. Hopefully even including longer cuffs and collar so that they'll line up with Turbosnowy's rubber socks and gloves.

 

Well, it's certainly something to consider at least as an option. I suggested that particular possibility before, when I was still experimenting with the different possibilities for the new framework. But there was some resistance to the idea because the catsuits looked better (see here). Which I tend to agree with in general, i.e. the entire breast area. It makes you look like a real real person in a rubber suit, not a latex doll with rubber skin.

 

But if you can add enough "imperfections" like folds and creases, and get a smooth transition from the body to the hands, feet and available masks, I'd say I'm definitely interested. And if we let the player choose which version of the suit should be installed, where's the downside?

 

 

BTW: I didn't even know TurboSnowy was mxwqtkl.

 

 

 

 

And your final paragpraph above just gave me the idea that my new catsuit approach could even be merged with vanilla armors. A fur armor on top of a rubber catuit? Ought to look pretty cool.

 

Lots of work though. You'd basically have to modify the body mesh in every single armor NIF you want to use. At least, as I understand it.

[Farmthat]

You know, I'm working on something unconventional for Suited for Skyrim (probably for good reason) where I've combined the the catsuit body with the gloves and feet. In my mind, if they're always meant to be together, why not truly combine them into one mesh? This also allows gloves and boots with transparency to be worn over these body slots. However, it would cause clipping with other objects that assume the feet/hands are turned off when worn.

 

Like if it'd clip into pony boots would be an experiment. Armbinders a definite no-go. So that kinda derails that train of thought. Works for my purpose, not what you're looking for in TiR.

 

Anyway, not to speak for His Dudeness, but it'd be pretty easy to reshape the bust to look more like the MWX suit, and creases are generally all in the textures. Depending on how the mesh is unwrapped, it might even be possible to reuse the normal map from the MWX suit.

[El_Duderino]

 

Well, it's certainly something to consider at least as an option. I suggested that particular possibility before, when I was still experimenting with the different possibilities for the new framework. But there was some resistance to the idea because the catsuits looked better (see here). Which I tend to agree with in general, i.e. the entire breast area. It makes you look like a real real person in a rubber suit, not a latex doll with rubber skin.

 

But if you can add enough "imperfections" like folds and creases, and get a smooth transition from the body to the hands, feet and available masks, I'd say I'm definitely interested. And if we let the player choose which version of the suit should be installed, where's the downside?

Lots of work though. You'd basically have to modify the body mesh in every single armor NIF you want to use. At least, as I understand it.

 

You know, I'm working on something unconventional for Suited for Skyrim (probably for good reason) where I've combined the the catsuit body with the gloves and feet. In my mind, if they're always meant to be together, why not truly combine them into one mesh? This also allows gloves and boots with transparency to be worn over these body slots. However, it would cause clipping with other objects that assume the feet/hands are turned off when worn.

 

Like if it'd clip into pony boots would be an experiment. Armbinders a definite no-go. So that kinda derails that train of thought. Works for my purpose, not what you're looking for in TiR.

 

Adding some seams and wrinkles to the normal map shouldn't be too time consuming. I quite agree, there's some work left to be done to make it look more like a catsuit and less like painted on liquid latex or whatever. Though I want to keep the "sculpted breasts" look of the catsuit, which makes a nice contrast to the one we already have. Just needs to be a bit smoother. Thanks for the link to the previous discussion! I knew this got talked about somewhere before, but didn't remember it was right in this very thread!

 

Once the catsuit is done (if that ever happens, lol), adding other armor/clothing pieces on top of it should be fairly simple if the armor has a seperate body mesh in its Nif. For example, one could take a Bandit Armor, delete the body part from it, and then insert the remaining armor parts into a copy of the catsuit nif. Bodyslide's Outfit Studio is probably the weapon of choice for that, the rest like juggling with the slots and materials can be done in NifSkope.

 

Attaching gloves and feet to the catsuit is something I can't quite do, because I can't think of any way around the clipping and slots issues that you just mentioned. Maybe something could be done with a script that force-equips gloves/socks when no other foot/handwear is equipped, but doing something like that is far beyond my modding abilities.

[Keb]

Grey you did (tried out) a " Rubber Race" concept (I think) 1-2 years ago for the same reason to make the suit replace the PC skin. 

 

Whit HisDudeness catsuit design could this idea of your not return, and solve this problem of yours? 

 

To solve a problem sometimes the best way is the easiest. If the PC skin is changed to a rubber skin than the would be no clip-ing problems that the skin shows it self and you would have a much wider range of outfits to choose from. 

 

 

 

 

 

[greyspammer]

Grey you did (tried out) a " Rubber Race" concept (I think) 1-2 years ago for the same reason to make the suit replace the PC skin. 

 

Whit HisDudeness catsuit design could this idea of your not return, and solve this problem of yours? 

 

To solve a problem sometimes the best way is the easiest. If the PC skin is changed to a rubber skin than the would be no clip-ing problems that the skin shows it self and you would have a much wider range of outfits to choose from.

 

Short version: No, it changes nothing for my mod. I already am using a custom "skin" as the rubber suit. I'm just not making a full race change. Which skin is used can be easily changed on a filesystem level.

 

 

Long version: I moved away from the idea of a rubber race, because a race change is actually a very significant intervention and causes a lot of secondary problems (like facegen data, broken vampirism, and others). And it's not really necessary, because the only thing we would really need from a custom rubber race is the ability to have a custom skin.

 

And since I figured out how to change an actor's skin to a custom one without actually changing the race, I did away with all the secondary problems that a full race change entails. There are a few caveats, but they're manageable. One is that this "non-race skin change" is not persistent, so my framework has to keep an eye out for savegame loads and then re-apply the change. But it seems to work quite well (on my system, at least). Worst problem so far: After loading a savegame, it may take a second or two before the rubber suit shows up. Big deal.

 

So far, the framework works as intended and unless there's really good reason for it, I probably won't start yanking out crucial parts of it again. The framework is done, now I'm remaking the story on top of the new framework.

 

And a "skin" in the Skyrim engine is actually nothing but a special piece of armor that is used as a fallback, when the actor isn't wearing anything else. You can see it as "SkinNaked" in the CK, in the armor section, like the rest. As far as the engine is concerned, it doesn't matter which armor you use as skin. In theory, you could assign the daedric armor as a skin. Right now, I'm using the catsuits by mxwqtkl as skin. But switching those for a retextured version of the standard body would be a simple file operation (just replace the NIF). My framework can handle both, the only question is which one will look better.

 

[thomas00126]

ooh nice i cant wait to see it al in action

[Guest]

I'm on the second pony race, and I did place the black soulgem by the teleportation crystal, but whenever I cross the finish line I do not win, and some one other rubber pony does eventually, anyone have any suggestions for this

[greyspammer]

I'm on the second pony race, and I did place the black soulgem by the teleportation crystal, but whenever I cross the finish line I do not win, and some one other rubber pony does eventually, anyone have any suggestions for this

 

Can you see the scene where Velnar is getting scolded by the others for cheating? If not, then the cheating was not exposed. Reasons could be that the soulgem was not near enough, or that it was not placed near the sending crystal.

[Guest]

Yeah the scene where he gets exposed happens every time, and I do get a message saying a black soulgem was detected when the race first starts

[greyspammer]

Yeah the scene where he gets exposed happens every time, and I do get a message saying a black soulgem was detected when the race first starts

 

Just to make sure I understand you correctly:

1. You have a black soulgem near the crystal.
2. You approach the goal before all the other ponies and see the scene with Velnar.
3. You cross the finish line before all the other ponies.
4. Nothing happens.
5. Then some other pony comes along and "wins" the race.

 

Is that it?

[Guest]

Yeah, that's what happens every time I try.

[greyspammer]

Yeah, that's what happens every time I try.

 

Weird. The only possible explanation I can come up with is confused triggers due to script lag. If you're interested in the details, check this post where I explain (in the spoiler) why I built a new race track for version 0.6.

 

You should be able to "cheat" your win by typing "setstage tir_pr_race01 100" while your're waiting for the other ponies.

[greyspammer]

Any of you guys know of a good apron for Skyrim? I'm not looking for the skimpy, cute, kiss-the-cook kind of apron. More the long, practical one that you would actually wear when doing... messy stuff.

 

The blacksmith's apron from vanilla Skyrim is actually not that far off. Only problem is that it comes as a full dress. I only need the real apron (the black leather part, without the red cloth). I looked at the mesh but unfortunately, the leather apron is not a dedicated piece on the mesh. It's just painted on the textures. So separating those two is beyond my capabilities.

 

 

[El_Duderino]

Any of you guys know of a good apron for Skyrim? I'm not looking for the skimpy, cute, kiss-the-cook kind of apron. More the long, practical one that you would actually wear when doing... messy stuff.

 

There is an interesting take on the blacksmith armor in the UNP Minidresses Collection mod. It might be a bit too short for actual smithing work though, leaving much of the legs unprotected, but the material looks sturdy enough. Also, some very cool rags in that mod, which alongside the vanilla rags I've used to dress up the Hydra slaves in my game. Just be careful with the installation, it is set up as a vanilla replacer so if you just install it, all your female Skyrim residents will suddenly run around in a miniskirt through all the ice and snow (the mere thought makes me shudder, but then I'm from a temperate climate zone).

 

Messy stuff, eh? I wonder what that's going to be all about (but please, no spoilers!)