Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[valcon767]

On 5/25/2018 at 8:29 PM, Lupine00 said:

If you may recall, I posted at some interminable length on this in the past, maybe three times

 

This turns each NPC into a random slot-machine. 

 

While Kimy said that the NPCs are always available to play bondage games with you...

But they aren't always fun games because you're not playing with characters, you're playing with slot machines.

 

nod nod ... this can be sooooo frustrating at time (example in spoiler)

at start Player is not in any DD items

went to Markarth recently

Player is already Blood-kin to orcs

talk to Moth (Orc blacksmith inside Understone Keep), wanted to do some trading

Moth demands sex, comply

talk to Moth again

get quest for daedra heart (Coated in Blood), took this as i had one on me and knew what he was going to want

talk to Moth again

choose (SLEN) dialogue due to arousal spiked Moth is now my friend

talk to Moth again

Moth demands sex again

refused = got locked in Chastity devices

talk to Moth again

Moth comments about wanting sex but someone stuck me in Chastity (that was you you idiot)

talk to Moth agian

Moth makes comment about devices = add more devices

talk to Moth again

turn in daedra heart = get dwarven shield 

;checked in console and at this point he is showing as relationship rank 4 (lover status).

talk to Moth again 

Moth makes comment about me being naked and reports to guards (public indecency)

talk to Moth again (still need to do trading)

Moth comments about devices again = add more devices again (gagged this time)

go thru gag-talk with Moth to

talk to Moth again

do trading with Moth (sold a bunch of dwarven junk)

go thru gag-talk with Moth to talk to him

Moth binds my hands together

go thru gag-talk with Moth

regular dialogues

go thru gag-talk with Moth (forgot to sell something)

Moth give piercing removal tool

gag-talk with Moth again

Moth comments about devices (does not actually do anything this time, but ends conversation)

gag-talk with Moth again

sell rest of junk

gag-talk with Moth again (i was curious if he was gonna do something yet again)

regular random dialogue

end converstaion

guards arrive to arrest player for public indecencty

pay off fine (well there went all the cash from selling junk and more)

have follower remove gag

go talk to Moth again

Moth acts like nothing has happened at all

left feeling like WTF ..... he should recognize that something happened 

 

[Lupine00]

17 hours ago, valcon767 said:

nod nod ... this can be sooooo frustrating at time (example in spoiler)

So funny. I had similar experiences many times. It seems that in DCL, good deeds are often punished

 

I also still struggle to make sense of the idea of putting you in a chastity belt for refusing to have sex.

 

But for some odd reason, in DCL-land, chastity belts often achieve the exact opposite of their apparent intended purpose ... for those that remember my lengthy experience with the three body-restraint-key belt of misogyny that makes everyone have sex with you.

 

I found that with some other mods, belts actually stop rapes reliably, so getting belted can save a collared character from getting raped non-stop.

 

 

However, in DCL, even with Attackers Strip Belts disabled, and Full Chastity Requires Gag disabled, you seem to get raped anyway.

If they can't strip the belt, it plays the same "Zyn Licking" animation most of the time - which isn't even aggressive or gender appropriate. Seems to be a problem there.

 

 

 

I think there are a few areas where the DCL MCM has got a bit convoluted with its options, and you still can't select obvious things you might want to happen.

 

e.g. Instead of Attackers strip belts and Gag required for full chastity, we could have Belts prevent rape ... and full chastity should always prevent rape, that's a no-brainer.

 

The attackers strip belts thing should probably be restricted to the one or two belts that are designed to be stripped, and doesn't really need an MCM option.

If it were an option, it should also stop you removing the belt, and be "Everyone can remove belts except you" and then the only way out of a belt is to beg an NPC to remove it.

(And we already have belts that can't be stripped by anyone too, like Queen Sarah's and Maiden's Shield, so the strip belts option really only impacts a narrow range of belts).

 

Making it an MCM option makes it even more confusing when you get a belt where the attackers strip it despite the option.

 

But that's just my take on it.

 

 

Another slightly convoluted one is the box for single global event chance vs different changes for City, Wilderness and Dungeon. It's actually simpler just to have the three specific chances and do away with the tick box and other slider.

 

 

And then there are options ... maybe somebody uses them ... like "Always force full set", this is kind of harsh and kind of monotonous. I think simply setting the minimum item count high enough would have the same effect?

 

 

Or the tick boxes and scale numbers for each container type. It would be far simpler just to have a scale for EVERY item type that goes down to ZERO, and then every one of the tick boxes could go away.

 

Or the event parameters, which are a weird menu group of diverse options that sit in contrast to the other items that get a page per item. These aren't really event parameters, they're device/mini-quest parameters, and they belong together with stuff like Rubber Doll Quest.

 

 

DCL is ... large ... and complicated ... and it's grown organically, with people asking for particular features, which they often got, and so the menus probably have room for a little simplification.

 

I think it would be possible to shave away a lot of items without losing a single bit of functionality, and in some cases change functionality to be easier to configure.

This was done for DD ... maybe a bit too much ... and some things got put back in DD ... but it was the right idea, and it's settling out at a good point in DD... I hope.

 

 

One of the great things about iNeed and Campfire is how much thought and attention went into their configuration options. There's just enough, and nothing unnecessary. Maybe, some people want more options from Frostfall, but the other two have it spot on.

 

Alas, the heavy MCM of DCL presents a huge learning curve to new users. Unlike some mods, where the problem is the number of bugs, with DCL the problem is the number of options. Most forum questions are either about understanding the options, or somebody who didn't run Bodyslide.

[Nazzzgul666]

On 5/26/2018 at 3:29 AM, Lupine00 said:

If you may recall, I posted at some interminable length on this in the past, maybe three times

 

But re-raising this topic brings up something that's been troubling me since day 1...

 

 

My memory is rather an endless hole than something to keep stuff and i don't read everything here, so... sorry^^

But yes, your suggestions are quite exactly what i'd hope for, but rather additionally than instead of my own.  One reason why i'd hope for a Sasha with a better memory than my own is not only more depth for her character but also a kind of "remember my preferences" without adding another page in the MCM.

[DonQuiWho]

 

For those wanting less accursed chastity, this may be of help

 

[Lupine00]

That seems like an interesting mini-mod. The generic chastity devices don't have much value in DCL; either you're in a special belt, or it's mostly useless...

 

But how does it differ from disabling belts in DCL Devices menu?

 

I read the answer to this... Device Comments put belts on you, even if you disabled belts elsewhere.

Perhaps Bondage Dialog can too... But...

Isn't this a "feature" in DCL that could be fixed? Couldn't the Comments and Dialogs respect the "no belts" option?

This is what I mean by complex options. The number of places you have to disable belts and things that can lead to belts is a bit confusing.

 

I strongly suspect the other scenarios that MrEsturk called out as leading to belts can already disable the belt.

 

 

I could see an argument for this being an option in DD itself, as it wouldn't impact mods with special belts, like Devious Regulations.

 

 

But, if you use SL Adventures and disable DCL rapes (or most of them), then belts really stop sex, like you'd expect.

You can set Misogyny to 100% blow-jobs, and everything works like that.

In such circumstances, sometimes you can be thankful for the belt.

 

I've been using the Windrunner mod for my latest play, and she comes with a belt right from the start.

I can see that she needs a belt, as she prefers to wear a collar too - and that's a dangerous thing to wear with SL Adventures and apropos set up a certain way.

The annoyance with her is the mods that want to remove her own special belt, and do so, when they probably should not.

[valcon767]

1 hour ago, Lupine00 said:

I've been using the Windrunner mod for my latest play, and she comes with a belt right from the start.

I can see that she needs a belt, as she prefers to wear a collar too - and that's a dangerous thing to wear with SL Adventures and apropos set up a certain way.

The annoyance with her is the mods that want to remove her own special belt, and do so, when they probably should not.

IIRC that is an AS-LAL start mod and the belt and stuff were not tagger quest or nostrip.  i think it was done that way so that the player could store them,

and they would cause some difficulties (live more vulnerabilities to help balance bonuses). 

 

edit

it really is a cool mod to play with, and i think you could probably fix it, for personal use, by just editing the items keywords.  

 

sorry bout editing had to go chase Rocky again, he was in my trees. told him Bullwinkle is NOT here.

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[Lupine00]

19 minutes ago, valcon767 said:

IIRC that is an AS-LAL start mod and the belt and stuff were not tagger quest or nostrip.  i think it was done that way so that the player could store them,

and they would cause some difficulties (live more vulnerabilities to help balance bonuses).

You can craft all the items, so even if they're stolen, you're always Windrunner. She makes the gear, the gear doesn't make her

I guess tagging the belt wasn't a thing when the mod was made, but now it's an option ... though it uses a regular key so you could argue that losing it is all part of the fun.

[Zydar]

I think chastity would matter more if you are playing a succubus where you benefit from sexual acts, with its absence being detrimental to you. I could imagine Vigilants of Stendarr locking up Roses of Sanguine if we're considering a theme.

 

On an issue of Damsel in Distress, I am not sure if the previously equipped devices were supposed to be removed beforehand. My PC had iron shackles thanks to a CCAS alternate start, then handcuffed thanks to an innkeeper in Rorikstead (not sure if DCL or DEC) when a slaver put my PC in the Damsel in Distress scenario. It says I need to free the hands from an armbinder but my PC is securely locked with handcuffs, which is impossible at that point to even lockpick.

[MoralVirgin]

So I downloaded this along with all of the required mods and I extracted this into the data folder but it doesn't show up. Any idea what I need to do?

[Rogwar002]

On 5/25/2018 at 6:58 PM, LazyBoot said:

Sexual Fame was the one I was thinking of that does that.

correct.

 

2 hours ago, Zydar said:

On an issue of Damsel in Distress, I am not sure if the previously equipped devices were supposed to be removed beforehand. My PC had iron shackles thanks to a CCAS alternate start, then handcuffed thanks to an innkeeper in Rorikstead (not sure if DCL or DEC) when a slaver put my PC in the Damsel in Distress scenario. It says I need to free the hands from an armbinder but my PC is securely locked with handcuffs, which is impossible at that point to even lockpick.

The mentioned quest will break, if there are locked devices on your toon. Not always, but almost.

If the Device is a standard one: cuffs, armbinder, corset, gag, blindfold, bra and belt it rarely will remove or better simply overwrite the existing ones. But a hood, chains or even devices provided by other mods simply break the quest. Happened many many times, because usually I like to play this quest. But having a belt of misogny... reload... having slavery devices... reload... having parts of a chainharness... reload... Last reload I had was because of wearing simple shackles. The time I struggeld the toon free, I was not able to open the shackles. All those reloads did NOT happen in v6.4 nor 6.3 if thats important. Last two runs of my damsel in distress, were just a struggle for keys.... 2.5%... are you serious? btw: 20 Body restraint keys left after opening the last lock. The favor key thing is not working really well... pointing to the relase notes... but maybe just bad luck on my side.

 

 

[MoralVirgin]

I think I got it working for the most part. When I go to the shop in Dawnstar, the people there have no hair and the clothes are invisible so they're basically floating bald heads. Anyone know what mod I need to get to correct this? I may have just missed one of them

[KeiVal]

Hi, I asked this on the SE version but I was directed to ask again here. I am having an issue in the Going Shopping quest, after buying everything, it tells me to go back to Leah but there is no prompt that lets me deliver the items. Is that a known bug? Is there a fix? Normally I would just advance quest stage but I can't find a quest id for it.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, KeiVal said:

Hi, I asked this on the SE version but I was directed to ask again here. I am having an issue in the Going Shopping quest, after buying everything, it tells me to go back to Leah but there is no prompt that lets me deliver the items. Is that a known bug? Is there a fix? Normally I would just advance quest stage but I can't find a quest id for it.

I've never had the shopping quest work correctly. I've completed the shopping many times but never been able to finish it.

 

I mentioned here, that using the DCL "FREE ME!!!" that should terminate all DCL quests, does not terminate it, and instead restarts it.

As there was no response, I thought it was just me.

[MoralVirgin]

I'm trying to get some help on this mod and I'm on the verge of giving up.

 

The dollmaker shop characters are bald, floating heads.  I cant start any of the quests. None of the dialog works for the characters added. All of the males want sex(no audio for this though) and they just walk away and they don't actually do anything but you also cant use their shops for anything(that part may be intentional, I dont know)

 

My gut feeling is that somewhere there is a set of files in Folder A but they need to be in Folder B for everything to work. I may have to run Bodyslide but I can't even get it to work properly.  There is a missing link here and I just dont have the modding experience to figure it out.

 

Any help is appreciated

[WaxenFigure]

1 hour ago, MoralVirgin said:

I'm trying to get some help on this mod and I'm on the verge of giving up.

 

The dollmaker shop characters are bald, floating heads.  I cant start any of the quests. None of the dialog works for the characters added. All of the males want sex(no audio for this though) and they just walk away and they don't actually do anything but you also cant use their shops for anything(that part may be intentional, I dont know)

 

My gut feeling is that somewhere there is a set of files in Folder A but they need to be in Folder B for everything to work. I may have to run Bodyslide but I can't even get it to work properly.  There is a missing link here and I just dont have the modding experience to figure it out.

 

Any help is appreciated

Yes you have to run Bodyslide.  If you want Sex then you also have to have the Sexlab Framework installed and functioning AND you have to go into it and tell it to "Install" once you've installed it.  The Sexlab Framework of course also requires other items like you running the FNIS User Generator program in order to install the animations but of course so does this mod and the three other Devious Devices mods that are also required.

 

What is wrong with your system is that you're trying to see the content before you met the requirements.  Kind of hard to tell what else you might be missing but try starting with just getting the Sexlab Framework functioning.

[Lupine00]

Bodyslide has a forum on the Nexus, and many tutorial videos on the net, but DCL is often the first time people run into problems with it.

 

They install BS, select CBBE body and their game looks better, they think they have Bodyslide working.

 

Then they install DD + DCL and they see entire bodies disappearing and don't know why.

 

Eventually, they hear they have to run Bodyslide, but when they open it up, it doesn't seem to solve their problems.

Oddly, they imagine their problem is uncommon, and don't expect to find a ton of tutorials online, and don't even look.

 

 

It might not be such a crazy idea to create optional download files for DD and DCL that have all the meshes pre-generated for default settings CBBE and UUNP Special.

 

 

It does add some more busywork, but a lot of new users would download those files and have their stuff just work, and because they don't ever run Bodyslide, their bodies are at default anyway, so it's all fine for them.

 

Seriously, think of all the times people have posted a question on here, where the answer was run Bodyslide...

Those posts might never have happened.

[DonQuiWho]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Seriously, think of all the times people have posted a question on here, where the answer was run Bodyslide...

Those posts might never have happened.

that might sensibly be added to the download filename and the topic name - something like (You MUST run Bodyslide before playing)

[Jimi123]

just a quick question how to turn of these " come here woman " dialoque ...

 

and how do i get matchinng items like gold bra  and gold belt.. etc i used random items put constentet or what it was called below it.. i just dont wanna have everything in a different color

 

3rd thing is how to deactivate chastity bra over an hobbled skirt or straight jacket ?

 

and its always armbinder chastity bra corset hobble dress blindfold etc... nearly the same items in different colors

 

hope someone can answer me thank u :

[valcon767]

7 minutes ago, Jimi123 said:

just a quick question how to turn of these " come here woman " dialoque ...

 

and how do i get matchinng items like gold bra  and gold belt.. etc i used random items put constentet or what it was called below it.. i just dont wanna have everything in a different color

 

1 -  Misogyny feature (forgot exactly where it is in MCM at) turn off (or set slider to 0)

 

2 - randoms items and consistent themes should give you matching set, but only for a single event.  so if you have items added by 1 event they should match 

     if possible,  but if you get items in 2 events they are unlikely to match (that is the random part).

 

[Phelan42]

How are the D.A.M.N surprise boxes supposed to work? I got 3 when I robbed a bound girl, but no matter what I do (left-click, right-click, check powers/...), I can't find any way to open them, they simply get "equipped"

[LazyBoot]

14 minutes ago, Phelan42 said:

How are the D.A.M.N surprise boxes supposed to work? I got 3 when I robbed a bound girl, but no matter what I do (left-click, right-click, check powers/...), I can't find any way to open them, they simply get "equipped"

They should "pop open" when you "equip" them, and give you the loot.

[A Little Kitten]

2 hours ago, Jimi123 said:

just a quick question how to turn of these " come here woman " dialoque ...

 

and how do i get matchinng items like gold bra  and gold belt.. etc i used random items put constentet or what it was called below it.. i just dont wanna have everything in a different color

 

3rd thing is how to deactivate chastity bra over an hobbled skirt or straight jacket ?

 

and its always armbinder chastity bra corset hobble dress blindfold etc... nearly the same items in different colors

 

hope someone can answer me thank u :

 

quick answer :that is mysognity option, demand sex

and you can ony choose one color+material, if you choose random but constet or what it was called, you'll get for every trap all items in one random colour.. that means you get again another random coloour for all items in next trap... if you dont like it like this, have to choose colour.

turd thing is in devios devices - devices underneath (1) and (2). have to work with it... exampole :(1) Body - full > hide niple piercings, chastity bra... A robe(or whatever clothing) will hide these devices
or (2) harness / corset > chastity bra... harness and corset will hide chastity bra.
now just to find out what happy dress and jacket count as and make it hide what you want.

i believe i have all working and i have nothing set in devices underneath (2), so you should find it under (1)

[Reesewow]

30 minutes ago, Phelan42 said:

How are the D.A.M.N surprise boxes supposed to work? I got 3 when I robbed a bound girl, but no matter what I do (left-click, right-click, check powers/...), I can't find any way to open them, they simply get "equipped"

Equipping them and leaving the inventory menu is supposed to "open" them - they should disappear and you will get a bunch of loot added to your inventory.

[Jimi123]

26 minutes ago, A Little Kitten said:

 

quick answer :that is mysognity option, demand sex

and you can ony choose one color+material, if you choose random but constet or what it was called, you'll get for every trap all items in one random colour.. that means you get again another random coloour for all items in next trap... if you dont like it like this, have to choose colour.

turd thing is in devios devices - devices underneath (1) and (2). have to work with it... exampole :(1) Body - full > hide niple piercings, chastity bra... A robe(or whatever clothing) will hide these devices
or (2) harness / corset > chastity bra... harness and corset will hide chastity bra.
now just to find out what happy dress and jacket count as and make it hide what you want.

i believe i have all working and i have nothing set in devices underneath (2), so you should find it under (1)

Thank you how to find these id ? via console ?

 

still dont get it with underneath:  example  if modify HEAD and add 4 possible items , so these 4 items wont be shown if the slot 31 head is placed ?

 

[DionisioVega]

looking for a little help with the rubber suits, I am unable to find them in the Bodyslide Studio, I can find the zipsuit and catsuit, but not the rubber suits, so my character looks like a standard NPC. Any idea which item controls the shape for them?