Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[valcon767]

3 hours ago, Fenroo said:

Another question, is queen Sarah items meant to be used/worn? I found the belt, should I put it on or would that be insane? No spoilers, simple yes or no would do...

no do not do that, have patience grasshopper all will become clear in time. ?

2 hours ago, cweez said:

So, I updated all my mods fairly recently but I've run into a compatability issue with Captured Dreams; specifically it doesn't support DD4. Since my two options are to either run DD4 and no CD, or go back to DD3 and have CD available, I'd rather do the latter.

 

Will the current version of DCL be ok with DD3? If not, what is the most recent version that will? And would it be possible to make it available as an unsupported compatibility option? I wouldn't expect updates to it, or even to receive help if I was having problems, but I don't want to be forced to choose between one or the other.

the only parts of DDI/X 4.0 (or greater) that CD is not currently compatible with are the items that use the HeavyBondage Keyword (yokes, straightjackets, armbinders,

handuffs etc.)  as i have CD and DDI/X 4.1 dev builds running now it has not caused me any major issues (all issues were minor due to that change).

you may want to check the CD thread (if you have not) for more information on it.

 

[Guest]

@Lupine00 I don't really see a problem tbh so what if people ask questions at least they will come out with a better understanding of how to use these tools that are available too them. Now if everything was done for you then you wouldn't know how to do anything does making things easier equal better? I don't think so tbh alot of the interactions and fun i had was building and learning to use these tools to make my modding environment better. These people aren't customers so why shouldn't they at least give some extra effort and I am using extra very loosely as it only takes 5min and doing it the way it currently is is easier for the mod author.

 

 

[Lupine00]

10 hours ago, WaxenFigure said:

So build the base UNP and CBBE files and make your own download page for them.  That way all the DD team has to do is provide a link to those pre-built items. 

 

If it's important to you then rather than add to their work, help them in that way.

I would. But nobody would ever find it. Unless it's on the same download menu as DD and DCL themselves, it's worthless.

 

In fact, even then it might fail. Simply asking people to choose CBBE or UUNP in the DD/DCL FOMODs would be asking too much of some users, because they're still at the stage where those names are just jumbles of letters. But it's better than nothing, and they get asked that anyway.

 

It's almost like you intentionally confused the difference between something that just happens for any user that downloads DD or DCL, and something they have to search through a dozen forums and twenty pages of google to find - assuming they know they need it - WHICH THEY DO NOT - that is the cause of the problem in the first place.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Risamei said:

@Lupine00 I don't really see a problem tbh so what if people ask questions at least they will come out with a better understanding of how to use these tools that are available too them. Now if everything was done for you then you wouldn't know how to do anything does making things easier equal better? I don't think so tbh alot of the interactions and fun i had was building and learning to use these tools to make my modding environment better. These people aren't customers so why shouldn't they at least give some extra effort and I am using extra very loosely as it only takes 5min and doing it the way it currently is is easier for the mod author.

Of course easier is better. Are you arguing that knowledge is somehow morally superior regardless of its quality? That's nonsensical.

 

You might argue anyone is worse off if they don't know how to grow their own crops, or build a haystack, or a log cabin, or a clay-oven, or flint tools.

You might argue that we should all know how to write a rendering engine, or design an operating system from first-principles.

 

You're welcome to believe that, but it's not how society is built, or even what most people want.

 

If nobody ever needed to understand Bodyslide and could just magically adjust their body in game "out of the box" would we be worse off?

Nope. People would just use it and move on.

 

 

But I'm going to stop here, because this suggestion - which was about saving new users from pain - has been spuriously reframed as if I'm suggesting that people shouldn't be able to seek or get help on forums.

 

That was a BS straw man, that totally derailed discussion of the practicalities of the solution, and was clearly never what I was posting about, so people can stop arguing against that point because I never made it, and AFAICS, nobody else did either.

[Lupine00]

On 6/1/2018 at 11:12 AM, Destroyah340 said:

So who are valid NPCs that can be sold to the slave trader in Whiterun & how do I give them to him? Obviously Defeat's capture/sell function doesn't work with this & there's no description of him in the mod page or MCM

I think this is for people you capture using the NPC's surrender option in DCL Combat Defeat.

 

I've never once managed to make it work. Once an NPC surrenders I can't make them do anything.

 

Others have said they were able to, but that guards attacked them on entering Whiterun.

There's a faction for handling it, but it didn't work at some point, might work now.

 

In any case, it's somewhat impractical to expect to bring captured NPCs back to a city without putting a lot more mechanics around it than DCL offers.

 

Defeat's sacks are cheesy and silly, but they work. Of course, trying to sell a murderous necromancer you captured in Defeat will probably get you arrested, but that's a different issue.

[marymuir2]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Of course easier is better. Are you arguing that knowledge is somehow morally superior regardless of its quality? That's nonsensical.

 

You might argue anyone is worse off if they don't know how to grow their own crops, or build a haystack, or a log cabin, or a clay-oven, or flint tools.

You might argue that we should all know how to write a rendering engine, or design an operating system from first-principles.

 

You're welcome to believe that, but it's not how society is built, or even what most people want.

 

If nobody ever needed to understand Bodyslide and could just magically adjust their body in game "out of the box" would we be worse off?

Nope. People would just use it and move on.

 

 

But I'm going to stop here, because this suggestion - which was about saving new users from pain - has been spuriously reframed as if I'm suggesting that people shouldn't be able to seek or get help on forums.

 

That was a BS straw man, that totally derailed discussion of the practicalities of the solution, and was clearly never what I was posting about, so people can stop arguing against that point because I never made it, and AFAICS, nobody else did either.

I agree, easier is better.  Yes, I have learned to use Bodyslide, but only because I had to in order to customise my character and her outfits.  But it is still a pain in the rear to run that every time I add a new clothing/armor mod. And I only do the batch stuff, never got the hang of outlook studio.  If it were possible to do this easily in racemenu when I create my character, I would be ecstatic.  I would also be back ingame so much quicker.

There are numerous mods I've DLed from LL, started to play, hit some glitch, tried to fix it, but ended up abandoning the mod.  I gave up on this latest version of DCL on account of too many glitches and it ended up interfering with the fun.  I play FOR FUN. I don't play to learn programming.

I do appreciate the thousands of people who very kindly create these mods and share them with others.  But it's only fun for most of those "others" if the mod is easy to install and works as designed.

Just my two cents.

[special]

@Kimy

BUG REPORT

•  Once the Player completes a quest for the Dollmaker, after the Dollmaker removes any restraints or restrictive dresses etc, the Player's walk / run speed is not reset to normal and remains in a 'slowed' state.  My Player is stuck in a slowed state even after reload of the game.  I've had to use "player.forceav speedmult 100" to fix the issue.  Please ignore this one, it is caused by DDi / DDx 4.1 BETA

•  During "Rubber Arrears" quest, the Indebted NPC doesn't follow the Player when travelling back to the Dollmakers house, she just stands in the position they are teleported to during "Begin the Journey" scene.  I've had to use the "moveto Player" command to complete the quest because the NPC doesn't make it to the Dollmakers house in any situation (restrained or not).

Sorry if they have been reported already, this thread is so big now it's hard to keep up.


thanks,

[cweez]

10 hours ago, valcon767 said:

the only parts of DDI/X 4.0 (or greater) that CD is not currently compatible with are the items that use the HeavyBondage Keyword (yokes, straightjackets, armbinders,

handuffs etc.)  as i have CD and DDI/X 4.1 dev builds running now it has not caused me any major issues (all issues were minor due to that change).

you may want to check the CD thread (if you have not) for more information on it.

 

Huh, really? I kinda though that was the situation so I just disabled armbinders from DCL as a stopgap, but then I recently tried to get a DCL collar and belt removed through CD. I pay, in the top left corner all the 'removing' stuff comes up, but nothing actually gets removed, so I just chalked this down to the DDI/X version problem, but I guess not. I'll try and prepare a CD post and hope it isn't just shot down for running the wrong DDI/X version.

[Guest]

"Q: Will this mod ever support male player characters?
A: No. Blame it on me being lazy or on the general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males. It's also just fair, because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either."

 

First off appreciate your work and everyone involved in all the work put into the DD series, but to be very forward about the statement " general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males" is a bullshit statement, its not "lack of interest", its lack of modders supporting more than one gender.( So people want to make a mod and use DD for a dependency for there mod so they have to go female only as well)

 

This not a bitch statement, its just calling BS, a lot of players are not given the choice to play anything but a female character because of the modders choice to only go one way with the mods.

 

Unfortunately I am unable to use this mod along with others as people have requested that I have DD hook into Radiant Prostitution/Gigolo, but I will not be able to do that do to the BS reasons of why it is not Male supported. "Blame it on me being lazy", ok that one I will give to you, modders get burnt out and that I do understand and agree with but "because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either." that is a cop-out, and out of control of every modder and gamer on here.

 

With that said, again this was not meant to bash your work, because your work is great, and much appreciated, but using the "I will not support males because of some BS excuse" is exactly that..BS!

 

Just my two cents..I am sure I will get backlash or be called a racist or bigot for giving my opinion ..haha but oh well it needed to be said.

 

Hey its your mod, and your choices, but you miss out on a lot of people who would use it here and support your Patreon!

 

Have a great day.

 

[WaxenFigure]

12 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I would. But nobody would ever find it. Unless it's on the same download menu as DD and DCL themselves, it's worthless.

 

In fact, even then it might fail. Simply asking people to choose CBBE or UUNP in the DD/DCL FOMODs would be asking too much of some users, because they're still at the stage where those names are just jumbles of letters. But it's better than nothing, and they get asked that anyway.

 

It's almost like you intentionally confused the difference between something that just happens for any user that downloads DD or DCL, and something they have to search through a dozen forums and twenty pages of google to find - assuming they know they need it - WHICH THEY DO NOT - that is the cause of the problem in the first place.

 

Your reply to my suggestion shows the problem in a nutshell though.

 

You didn't read the whole reply or didn't understand it.  I plainly said that if you generated this "prebuilt" set then the DD team could add those links.

 

The fact is that the information is present but people are in too much of a hurry to look for it and instead of going back and taking a second look to see what they missed, many will pop right in asking questions that already have answers they should have seen.

 

And I said "or didn't understand it" because sometimes you have to get into a mod and play some of it so you understand the mod a bit before what is provided in the original post becomes something that a complete outsider (i.e. a person newly downloading an interesting mod) will understand.

 

I do in fact appreciate your interest in fixing problems and your suggesting a fix.

 

I'm wondering though if we don't need a whole "Skyrim Adult Modding 101" tutorial somewhat like the STEP project that covers all the basics like getting SOS/SAM, Bodyslide, FNIS, Crash Fixes etc installed and set up as a base for playing adult mods.  That could then be referenced as a "make sure you understand and have done this" reference in most of these mods.

 

 

[fred200]

Modders make mods that they enjoy.

If your tastes run differently - go make a mod and share it with others of like tastes. Nothing stopping you - except inertia.

[Pfiffy]

7 minutes ago, -Caden- said:

"Q: Will this mod ever support male player characters?
A: No. Blame it on me being lazy or on the general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males. It's also just fair, because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either."

 

First off appreciate your work and everyone involved in all the work put into the DD series, but to be very forward about the statement " general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males" is a bullshit statement, its not "lack of interest", its lack of modders supporting more than one gender.( So people want to make a mod and use DD for a dependency for there mod so they have to go female only as well)

 

This not a bitch statement, its just calling BS, a lot of players are not given the choice to play anything but a female character because of the modders choice to only go one way with the mods.

 

Unfortunately I am unable to use this mod along with others as people have requested that I have DD hook into Radiant Prostitution/Gigolo, but I will not be able to do that do to the BS reasons of why it is not Male supported. "Blame it on me being lazy", ok that one I will give to you, modders get burnt out and that I do understand and agree with but "because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either." that is a cop-out, and out of control of every modder and gamer on here.

 

With that said, again this was not meant to bash your work, because your work is great, and much appreciated, but using the "I will not support males because of some BS excuse" is exactly that..BS!

 

Just my two cents..I am sure I will get backlash or be called a racist or bigot for giving my opinion ..haha but oh well it needed to be said.

 

Hey its your mod, and your choices, but you miss out on a lot of people who would use it here and support your Patreon!

 

Have a great day.

 

Wasn't there a DD for him?

[CGi]

13 minutes ago, -Caden- said:

"Q: Will this mod ever support male player characters?
A: No. Blame it on me being lazy or on the general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males. It's also just fair, because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either."

i can always localize the mod so you can add your male dialogue, as you did in DF.

And as @Pfiffy said, there's always DD for him for the devices.
Speaking of DF... version 1.53 needs the male dialogue redone. i wasn't able to salvage enough between versions to re-apply it properly.

[Pfiffy]

2 minutes ago, CGi said:

i can always localize the mod so you can add your male dialogue, as you did in DF.

And as @Pfiffy said, there's always DD for him for the devices.
Speaking of DF... version 1.53 needs the male dialogue redone. i wasn't able to salvage enough between versions to re-apply it properly.

I guess there are few more mods, that I have to take a look at....

[Reesewow]

26 minutes ago, Pfiffy said:

Wasn't there a DD for him?

I thought DD for Him hadn't been updated for 4.0's keyword changes and caused problems due to overwriting DD assets/scripts.  I could be wrong however, but I seem to recall that mod being a contributor to "broken" DD installs directly after 4.0 was fully released. 

 

If it has been/could be updated to work with 4.0/4.1 it would provide some limited male DD support - obviously DD has progressed well beyond the scope that mod was trying to cover however with the inclusion of so many more devices, some of which definitely would not work on a male character or require heavy mesh editing to make sense (breast bondage yoke?/Curvy full body Hobble Dress?).

 

DD for Him's modpage does boldly advertise:

 

THIS MOD NEEDS ADOPTING
There are still a few parts of the mod that needs improving that I won't get around to myself. If you're wishing to get into modding or expand your mod portfolio, please feel free to adopt this mod.

 

So those interested would at least have a decent starting point in the quest to add male support to DD.  The problem is the monumental time/effort such a project would involve, which I imagine is the reason the main DD team has zero interest in attempting it themselves.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, -Caden- said:

"Q: Will this mod ever support male player characters?
A: No. Blame it on me being lazy or on the general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males. It's also just fair, because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either."

 

First off appreciate your work and everyone involved in all the work put into the DD series, but to be very forward about the statement " general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males" is a bullshit statement, its not "lack of interest", its lack of modders supporting more than one gender.( So people want to make a mod and use DD for a dependency for there mod so they have to go female only as well)

 

This not a bitch statement, its just calling BS, a lot of players are not given the choice to play anything but a female character because of the modders choice to only go one way with the mods.

 

Unfortunately I am unable to use this mod along with others as people have requested that I have DD hook into Radiant Prostitution/Gigolo, but I will not be able to do that do to the BS reasons of why it is not Male supported. "Blame it on me being lazy", ok that one I will give to you, modders get burnt out and that I do understand and agree with but "because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either." that is a cop-out, and out of control of every modder and gamer on here.

 

With that said, again this was not meant to bash your work, because your work is great, and much appreciated, but using the "I will not support males because of some BS excuse" is exactly that..BS!

 

Just my two cents..I am sure I will get backlash or be called a racist or bigot for giving my opinion ..haha but oh well it needed to be said.

 

Hey its your mod, and your choices, but you miss out on a lot of people who would use it here and support your Patreon!

 

Have a great day.

 

I am finding myself in agreement with this post. I cannot find enjoyment in Skyrim, playing a F/ Dragonborn. So, I am really at a loss here.  It' been said......"Make your own" So that's what I am doing......well, attempting... since I'm not very good at it. I am finding myself needeing to go back and lean to script from scratch.

 

But yeah, I would love to see how Leah would handle a M / Dragonborn. (That wasn't a request, I was just sayin)

[fred200]

7 minutes ago, bishlapped said:

I am finding myself in agreement with this post. I cannot find enjoyment in Skyrim, playing a F/ Dragonborn. So, I am really at a loss here.  It' been said......"Make your own" So that's what I am doing......well, attempting... since I'm not very good at it. I am finding myself needeing to go back and lean to script from scratch.

 

But yeah, I would love to see how Leah would handle a M / Dragonborn. (That wasn't a request, I was just sayin)

I think you will find a lot of help online - from video tutorials, to asking specific questions in the forum.

One of your best resources is looking at code doing something similar to what you want to do.

Honestly, it is not that hard. For my own use, I started by modifying existing mods. And learning is good!

[CGi]

18 minutes ago, bishlapped said:

I am finding myself in agreement with this post. I cannot find enjoyment in Skyrim, playing a F/ Dragonborn. So, I am really at a loss here.  It' been said......"Make your own" So that's what I am doing......well, attempting... since I'm not very good at it. I am finding myself needeing to go back and lean to script from scratch.

 

But yeah, I would love to see how Leah would handle a M / Dragonborn. (That wasn't a request, I was just sayin)

if you really want to pull through with this then remove DCL's lockdown - that disables DCL completly in case of a male character - first.

Afterwards it's mostly dialogue and a few devices that need replacing imo.

[Fera-Florez]

Is it possible to remove the console functionality while locked in Devious Devices?
I have always had the problem of just using the console to escape if things were too hard. I don't know how hard that would be, but would think this could be a nice addition. Maybe put it under Debug and it is disabled by default. That way you can experience true hardcore Devious Devices.

[Pfiffy]

21 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

I thought DD for Him hadn't been updated for 4.0's keyword changes and caused problems due to overwriting DD assets/scripts.  I could be wrong however, but I seem to recall that mod being a contributor to "broken" DD installs directly after 4.0 was fully released. 

 

If it has been/could be updated to work with 4.0/4.1 it would provide some limited male DD support - obviously DD has progressed well beyond the scope that mod was trying to cover however with the inclusion of so many more devices, some of which definitely would not work on a male character or require heavy mesh editing to make sense (breast bondage yoke?/Curvy full body Hobble Dress?).

 

DD for Him's modpage does boldly advertise:

 

THIS MOD NEEDS ADOPTING
There are still a few parts of the mod that needs improving that I won't get around to myself. If you're wishing to get into modding or expand your mod portfolio, please feel free to adopt this mod.

 

So those interested would at least have a decent starting point in the quest to add male support to DD.  The problem is the monumental time/effort such a project would involve, which I imagine is the reason the main DD team has zero interest in attempting it themselves.

Well, in some cases it would be just a bit more degrading to put a male into a female role by letting him wear female clothes. From that aspect, there will not be so much left, that needs real editing. A lot of silly things can simply be done with KGTools. And ballet shoes for man are the same as for woman. The main problem I see is, that it would be hell of a work to get a seperate mod to the state ddx 4.1 and keeping track with the devolpment. It would be easier if the DD Team takes this into their own hands and stays in control over the files. Which would also mean, that there are no longer any compatibility issues. 

Lacking interest / LL demand... Well, if i see a mod that genderspecific and doesn't fit to my way of playing, I usually don't read any further. I don't think that I'm alone with that. I don't think that there is no demand, It is just not shown, because : 

 

"Q: Will this mod ever support male player characters?
A: No. Blame it on me being lazy or on the general lack of interest of the LL community in DD support for males. It's also just fair, because the gaming industry is making me play guy characters in their games all the time and I don't like that either."

 

This statement is closing the door.

 

Just a few thoughts about that...The worst thing that I could imagine is that someone does an independent male-only version, that's conflicting with DD. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, fred200 said:

I think you will find a lot of help online - from video tutorials, to asking specific questions in the forum.

One of your best resources is looking at code doing something similar to what you want to do.

Honestly, it is not that hard. For my own use, I started by modifying existing mods. And learning is good!

I've actually started this already. I'm using, Submissive Lola, a mod that was formally abandoned by the author. I'm attempting to re work it with this goal in mind. I've had rather limited success in accomplishing what I want. But still some. 

 

[Lokikun]

1 hour ago, Estorio said:

Is it possible to remove the console functionality while locked in Devious Devices?
I have always had the problem of just using the console to escape if things were too hard. I don't know how hard that would be, but would think this could be a nice addition. Maybe put it under Debug and it is disabled by default. That way you can experience true hardcore Devious Devices.

There is a mod called Devious Anticheat in loverslab.

You can set it up to punish console use for acquiring keys. It has a hardcore mod too. But be careful you can break your game permanently if you set it up wrong.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CGi said:

i can always localize the mod so you can add your male dialogue, as you did in DF.

And as @Pfiffy said, there's always DD for him for the devices.
Speaking of DF... version 1.53 needs the male dialogue redone. i wasn't able to salvage enough between versions to re-apply it properly.

I will get it done for you in the next couple days, and yes DD for him was last updated a year ago, that was not my point, was just the reasoning of not supporting males seemed out there a little, but its all good, not my mod, but If no one else is able to take over DD for him, I might once work inn RL slows down a bit

[Guest]

2 hours ago, fred200 said:

Modders make mods that they enjoy.

If your tastes run differently - go make a mod and share it with others of like tastes. Nothing stopping you - except inertia.

Yes and no, a few other modders right now making mods, are not supporting certain genders because the dependent mod they need do no allow for both genders, so it goes in a circle, again I am not arguing that is not the right of the mod creator to make the mod the way they want, just don't give a bunch of BS as to why you do not support both genders..that's all

[Clea Strange]

I know it says that not compatible with frostfall, but any way to use frostfall with this or maybe make this compatible with frostfall in the future