Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[DionisioVega]

13 minutes ago, DionisioVega said:

looking for a little help with the rubber suits, I am unable to find them in the Bodyslide Studio, I can find the zipsuit and catsuit, but not the rubber suits, so my character looks like a standard NPC. Any idea which item controls the shape for them?

disregard my question, I figured out the problem... apparently the install didn't copy all the bodyslide files over.

[LesboIsBesto]

So who are valid NPCs that can be sold to the slave trader in Whiterun & how do I give them to him? Obviously Defeat's capture/sell function doesn't work with this & there's no description of him in the mod page or MCM

[A Little Kitten]

2 hours ago, Jimi123 said:

Thank you how to find these id ? via console ?

 

still dont get it with underneath:  example  if modify HEAD and add 4 possible items , so these 4 items wont be shown if the slot 31 head is placed ?

 

you wont use console, nor any id. It works like if you modify head - select possible item like blindfold, your blindfold will not be visible if you are wearing a helmet.
as simple as that, it can only get complicated if you figure out you can hide blindfold if you wear a ring.. just dont do stuff that dont make any sense, unless you need it for whatever reason i cant think of..
what about we make it even easier and i tell you what i have where and you jsut do the same heh ?

UN(1) body-full nipple piercings, chastity bra, harnesses/corsets,chastity belts.
and that's it.. all works (even tested your combination bra corset dress)

and at the top is device hider.. that can be at any slot that will never be used, default  should be "device hider + long hair 41", even the descrioption of this says "dont touch it" so i believe you won have to mess with this one

[MoralVirgin]

15 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

It might not be such a crazy idea to create optional download files for DD and DCL that have all the meshes pre-generated for default settings CBBE and UUNP Special.

 

 

It does add some more busywork, but a lot of new users would download those files and have their stuff just work, and because they don't ever run Bodyslide, their bodies are at default anyway, so it's all fine for them.

 

Seriously, think of all the times people have posted a question on here, where the answer was run Bodyslide...

Those posts might never have happened.

 

 

It sure would benefit me if someone did. lol. Sorry if I'm being a bother about this.

[Slagblah]

2 hours ago, Destroyah340 said:

So who are valid NPCs that can be sold to the slave trader in Whiterun & how do I give them to him? Obviously Defeat's capture/sell function doesn't work with this & there's no description of him in the mod page or MCM

Only those captured via DCL's Combat Surrender will be recognized by the Slave Trader in Whiterun.

[Internet User]

5 hours ago, MoralVirgin said:

 

 

It sure would benefit me if someone did. lol. Sorry if I'm being a bother about this. 

But getting people used to using body slide is probably a good thing, especially if they want to use adult mods (everyone's taste is different).

[joeshmo828282]

Trying to play though the "cursed collar" quest.

 

It wants me to put on the "Cursed Chastity Belt" but when I click it in the inventory, the only option I am given is "Carry On".  

 

The plugs and piercing go on just fine, just the belt wont give the "put it on" option.

 

Any ideas on why it wont let me wear it?  I cant continue the quest without putting it on, and I cant wear armor without finishing the quest... though I could always 'safe word'  still annoying. 

[Lupine00]

20 hours ago, donkeywho said:

that might sensibly be added to the download filename and the topic name - something like (You MUST run Bodyslide before playing)

You'd be amazed at what people fail to read.

 

For example, text files with download info in.

 

The number of mods on LL, and the number of people that said, "Mod download is broken, it's only 194 bytes" and never opened a file called Download-info.txt ... I've seen it on forums over and over.

 

The fact is, the Bodyslide issue can simply be fixed by distributing meshes. The meshes aren't even that big, the textures are bigger, and they don't have to be duplicated.

But I proposed putting them in a separate download file, which seems to have worked out OK for CD. You could go either way.

 

2 hours ago, Internet User said:

But getting people used to using body slide is probably a good thing, especially if they want to use adult mods (everyone's taste is different).

If I was Kimy, I wouldn't want to make it my job to train everyone in using Bodyslide. Let them deal with learning that if they want. They don't actually need to know it to use DD or DCL ... or they wouldn't, if there was a pairs of mesh downloads.

[CGi]

9 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

If I was Kimy, I wouldn't want to make it my job to train everyone in using Bodyslide. Let them deal with learning that if they want. They don't actually need to know it to use DD or DCL ... or they wouldn't, if there was a pairs of mesh downloads.

And she don't has to. There are many guides all over the internet incl. LL itself.
So if users fail to use a search, we can always point them there or place a link to one in a mods description.

[Lupine00]

The point I'm making is that the repetitive Bodyslide questions are a disproportionate amount of the technical problems raised on the forum, and always have been.

Stating the obvious - that people can get help with Bodyslide elsewhere, or that members can simply answer the questions - doesn't address the issue at all.

 

• The issue is that the majority of those questions were avoidable.
• Not only that, but the actual problems those people had were avoidable.
• And that means the apparent failures of DD/DCL they experienced after first installing and using them were also avoidable.

 

Do you really want people experiencing failures and asking questions for no real reason?

 

Saying that "People should learn to use Bodyslide" is a utopian position, detached from reality.

Simply wanting them to know better will never stop the problems these people have or the questions they ask.

 

Or... maybe people love answering these questions so much, they want people to keep asking them?

[CGi]

So people asking questions are a problem now? i've not encountered many asking the same question twice, if they understood the answer the first time.
We all started somewhere and we shouldn't project our expectations onto others. BodySlide and the mods that use it became rather complex so for people who are new to this, most of this stuff will sound like rocket science and be pretty overwhelming. Expecting them to understand it just by following a random guide is wishfull thinking.

So either one is willing to answer such questions or not. Whoever is not up to this task is free to ignore such questions and move on.

if noone steps in, then so be it but the person might loose any interesst in persuing the topic any further and we might loose someone who had the potential to become a modder once this person understood most if not everything.

 

Aside from that, i received quiet alot of help too and i was always happy to get an answer even though sometimes it turned out i just made a mistake, but error is human and i usually know what i'm doing. Still someone put up with it and answered the questions i had. So if i can help i'll simply do the same. if you can't be arsed anymore, skip over them and move on.

[Pfiffy]

12 minutes ago, CGi said:

So people asking questions are a problem now? i've not encountered many asking the same question twice, if they understood the answer the first time.
We all started somewhere and we shouldn't project our expectatains onto others. BodySlide and the mods that use it became rather complex so for people who are new to this, most of this stuff will sound like rocket science and be pretty overwhelming. Expecting them to understand it just by following a random guide is wishfull thinking.

So either one is willing to answer such questions or not. Whoever is not up to this task is free to ignore such questions and move on.

if noone steps in, then so be it but the person might loose any interesst in persuing the topic any further and we might loose someone who had the potential to become a modder once this person understood most if not everything.

 

Aside from that, i received quiet alot of help too and i was always happy to get an answer even though sometimes it turned out i just made a mistake, but error is human and i usually know what i'm doing. Still someone put up with it and answered the questions i had. So if i can help i'll simply do the same. if you can't be arsed anymore, skip over them and move on.

Too bad, that I can not put more likes under this. Even if I have to admid, that I'm not better sometimes. And sometimes its just that ppl follow the guides, but sadly follow the wrong one. 

[Fenroo]

How does one start the cursed collar and bound queen questlines?

[WaxenFigure]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The point I'm making is that the repetitive Bodyslide questions are a disproportionate amount of the technical problems raised on the forum, and always have been.

Stating the obvious - that people can get help with Bodyslide elsewhere, or that members can simply answer the questions - doesn't address the issue at all.

 

• The issue is that the majority of those questions were avoidable.
• Not only that, but the actual problems those people had were avoidable.
• And that means the apparent failures of DD/DCL they experienced after first installing and using them were also avoidable.

 

Do you really want people experiencing failures and asking questions for no real reason?

 

Saying that "People should learn to use Bodyslide" is a utopian position, detached from reality.

Simply wanting them to know better will never stop the problems these people have or the questions they ask.

 

Or... maybe people love answering these questions so much, they want people to keep asking them?

So build the base UNP and CBBE files and make your own download page for them.  That way all the DD team has to do is provide a link to those pre-built items. 

 

If it's important to you then rather than add to their work, help them in that way.

[CGi]

22 minutes ago, WaxenFigure said:

So build the base UNP and CBBE files and make your own download page for them.  That way all the DD team has to do is provide a link to those pre-built items. 

 

If it's important to you then rather than add to their work, help them in that way.

And then we get different questions in return, like "why is the body is clipping through the armor".
So i doubts that's a valid solution unless one pre-generates alot of versions and uploads gigabytes worth of data in multiple packages ...

and then we get questions like "which download is for which body" and "which download is for which variation of it".

i don't even want to start with BBP/TBBP and HDT. But a nice idea nontheless. ^^

 

i hijacked Kimy's thread ... ?

[CGi]

1 hour ago, Fenroo said:

How does one start the cursed collar and bound queen questlines?

The Bound Queen quests start as soon as you find and read the book "The Bound Queen" which has a chance to spawn in boss chests.

The cursed collar quest i can't really remember how to start, but i think there's an "activator" in Fort Greymoors prison.

[Fenroo]

9 minutes ago, CGi said:

The Bound Queen quests start as soon as you find and read the book "The Bound Queen" which has a chance to spawn in boss chests.

The cursed collar quest i can't really remember how to start, but i think there's an "activator" in Fort Greymoors prison.

Thank you CGI

[WaxenFigure]

4 hours ago, CGi said:

And then we get different questions in return, like "why is the body is clipping through the armor".
So i doubts that's a valid solution unless one pre-generates alot of versions and uploads gigabytes worth of data in multiple packages ...

and then we get questions like "which download is for which body" and "which download is for which variation of it".

i don't even want to start with BBP/TBBP and HDT. But a nice idea nontheless. ^^

 

i hijacked Kimy's thread ... ?

Add the generated body to the generated nifs. 

 

And people will find a way to misunderstand, misread or otherwise completely fuck up no matter how carefully you plan.  That's why most of these threads are so long in the first place.

[WaxenFigure]

4 hours ago, Fenroo said:

Thank you CGI

It's in the prison section on top of the small furniture just past the corner at the bottom where one bandit is standing near the dead troll on a table.

[CGi]

15 minutes ago, WaxenFigure said:

Add the generated body to the generated nifs. 

 

And people will find a way to misunderstand, misread or otherwise completely fuck up no matter how carefully you plan.  That's why most of these threads are so long in the first place.

But then the body is not the one the player wanted! OH NOOOES!

But you're ofc right so in the end we should leave stuff like this to the player.

We all had to learn and we all appricated some help so that's how it goes and what makes threads grow.

[Fenroo]

Another question, is queen Sarah items meant to be used/worn? I found the belt, should I put it on or would that be insane? No spoilers, simple yes or no would do...

[Reesewow]

2 minutes ago, Fenroo said:

Another question, is queen Sarah items meant to be used/worn? I found the belt, should I put it on or would that be insane? No spoilers, simple yes or no would do...

No, that sounds like a terrible idea.

[cweez]

So, I updated all my mods fairly recently but I've run into a compatability issue with Captured Dreams; specifically it doesn't support DD4. Since my two options are to either run DD4 and no CD, or go back to DD3 and have CD available, I'd rather do the latter.

 

Will the current version of DCL be ok with DD3? If not, what is the most recent version that will? And would it be possible to make it available as an unsupported compatibility option? I wouldn't expect updates to it, or even to receive help if I was having problems, but I don't want to be forced to choose between one or the other.

[Kimy]

I feel your pain, as CD used to be a staple in my own load order, and no longer can be. It's a shame not to see it updated, despite DD4 has been out for half a year now and updating from DD3 to DD4 isn't THAT difficult, and can largely be done semi-automatically using search/replace and TES5Edit. But alas, I cannot tell other modders to update or not to update their mods, so it is what it is.

 

Like pretty much all larger DD mods except CD and DD Equip, the newest version of Cursed Loot needs DD 4.0. The last version that supported DD3 was 6.2 if I am not mistaken. I have no plans to make older DCL versions available for download, but I don't mind another user sending you a copy, if someone still has it.

 

I fixed at least two dozen bugs between that version and the most recent one btw. YMMV, but obviously they are not fixed in 6.2, so I can't really recommend to still use that version.

[Lupine00]

13 hours ago, CGi said:

So people asking questions are a problem now? i've not encountered many asking the same question twice, if they understood the answer the first time.
We all started somewhere and we shouldn't project our expectations onto others. BodySlide and the mods that use it became rather complex so for people who are new to this, most of this stuff will sound like rocket science and be pretty overwhelming. Expecting them to understand it just by following a random guide is wishfull thinking.

While this is true, it has scarcely any bearing on what I suggested.

 

I never suggested that asking questions in general is "wrong", though some people have elected to pretend I did.

 

But if lots of different people have to ask the same question, maybe that's a sign that something should be fixed to save a lot of avoidable pain?

 

If all your forum is growing with is the same "why is this broken" question, that's not a sign of a vibrant community, it's a canary that you have a broken product. (I don't mean the DCL forum... Try reading the Devious Regulations forum. It is 95% recurring questions about the same few bugs, which are repetitively answered with "Try a clean save", "I'll look into it" or "That shouldn't happen").

 

The main issue is that new players have been getting totally avoidable breakages, and are forced into a steep learning curve unnecessarily.

They are forced to engage with using Bodyslide, rather then its products.

Yet many experienced posters (sure, not all) act like these people are morons who should have read the front-page properly.

 

You don't need a guide if you don't have to use the tool, but someone that does want to use it will likely seek out a guide, perhaps multiple guides, and experiment and only then ask questions ... and those questions might even be asked in the correct place ... be it the Bodyslide forum, or the DD forum, or perhaps even, in rare cases, the DCL forum.

 

Don't make people use Bodyslide before they are ready to even understand what it is for.

 

Once somebody starts wanting to change their body setup away from default CBBE or UUNP, then they are probably aware they have to learn some things.  But people who simply install DD+DCL are not really aware of what the dependencies involve, and being told to "run Bodyslide" may mean as much to them as being told to massage their gazumpenflarp.

 

The secondary issue is that the forum gets threaded through with the same repetitive question, over and over, which is at best, simply creating noise in which interesting discussion or more difficult problems can be lost, and is somewhat boring, and at worst, ends up consuming time better spent on other things.

 

 

But maybe I've touched a nerve? Do some people really enjoy answering the same endlessly repeating question, and are some people really asking such questions as a way to enter the community. Are these questions just a kind of conversational glue?

 

If that's the case, I guess I'm wasting my time suggesting an actual fix for new DD/DCL users, who often seem to have a problem with missing meshes. I guess I was wrong. We shouldn't seek to fix things that are broken, because those breakages are wonderful and precious opportunities for people to seek help and join in with the joy that is LL forums.