SquallPT Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 But either way i can't understand how or in what way does CBBE trigger a flashback ? Or is it any naked body mod that does this? Or is it a animation, the rape animations, that combined with these elements that triggers it ? I don't understand it either, which is a bit frustrating. But it is definately the body shape, CBBE-Curvy, ADEC and other bodies with that kind of shape which comes close to realism, and yet not. It just seems wrong and off somehow to me on some deep instinctual level, and Skyrim is not cartoony enough to pull off catoony charicatures (which i normally don't have these problems with). It's nothing i can pinpoint though. It's just this combination of taking something that seems wrong to me somehow, and then putting it into a sexual context. That combination is the trigger, it evokes those horrible feelings i had as a kid that what was happening to me was wrong, though i did not yet understand why. Ok starting to make sense then. Won't bother you with this again, i'm sorry about what i said
Blackness blackness is... Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 can someone tell me the best body mod for dd that also looks the most realistic? thought about asking here since everyone is already sharing opinions on the visuals/compatibility
Guest endgameaddiction Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Realistic is subjective my dear. There are many forms of body types in real life, but realism is what you make of it with what ever mod you find to be more to your suitable need. Need to let us know what you are looking for in specific.
Swiftstep Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 A custom body replacer specifically tweaked to emphasis wider shoulder, bigger breast and full thigh to create what you call a sexy amazonian woman while not being overly muscular. That's what made me a fan of Sevenbase. The description, the presentation on the Nexus page and the support from other modders simply made it the best looking body out there. I'm guessing it's a mix of cultural heritage and logical choice of suitable mating targets that makes that mod nearly essential to me. Meaning: I guess most people from a Nordic / viking related origin (half of Europe and it's affiliates overseas) might find strong and tall women very sexy, while they find the exact opposite to be less attractive. Since the game is played throughout the world, and in Asia and South America the Northern influence is nearing zero, that might be one explanation for the different point of view regarding suitable body look. Since CBBE has nothing similar to 7B (at least nothing with its popularity), it might be more common in non-Northern cultures. But that's up for the admins to check where the DL of a mod has happened. And, of course, just a theory - could very well be complete nonsense.
Wonders of Eros Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 You wanta da big titties or da flatty chesta??? Well, CBBE dosen't really allow for the same customizability as UNP in terms of shapes and sizes. Sure, CBBE can go bigger. But remind yourselves that there are people who like flat chicks too. UNPB 4TW!
Coopervane Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 can someone tell me the best body mod for dd that also looks the most realistic? thought about asking here since everyone is already sharing opinions on the visuals/compatibility CBBE is really the only viable option anymore, since so many of the 3'rd party DD mods that you'd need to actually play the thing are putting CBBE-exclusive content into their mods, and not providing any alternatives. So i guess you'd have to use that, nothing else is really viable with DD anymore. Those of you with a bit of smarts can probably also guess why i suddenly quit devolopment of DDx after reading that..
Blackness blackness is... Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 CBBE is really the only viable option anymore, since so many of the 3'rd party DD mods that you'd need to actually play the thing are putting CBBE-exclusive content into their mods, and not providing any alternatives. So i guess you'd have to use that, nothing else is really viable with DD anymore. Those of you with a bit of smarts can probably also guess why i suddenly quit devolopment of DDx after reading that.. ikr. i been using cbbe because of how it versatile compared to literally everything else out there. :/
ousnius Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 You wanta da big titties or da flatty chesta??? Well, CBBE dosen't really allow for the same customizability as UNP in terms of shapes and sizes. Sure, CBBE can go bigger. But remind yourselves that there are people who like flat chicks too. UNPB 4TW! CBBE is actually the most customizable out of them all (and now UUNP). ESPECIALLY for slim/flatness.
Stevierage Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 A custom body replacer specifically tweaked to emphasis wider shoulder, bigger breast and full thigh to create what you call a sexy amazonian woman while not being overly muscular. That's what made me a fan of Sevenbase. The description, the presentation on the Nexus page and the support from other modders simply made it the best looking body out there. I'm guessing it's a mix of cultural heritage and logical choice of suitable mating targets that makes that mod nearly essential to me. Meaning: I guess most people from a Nordic / viking related origin (half of Europe and it's affiliates overseas) might find strong and tall women very sexy, while they find the exact opposite to be less attractive. Since the game is played throughout the world, and in Asia and South America the Northern influence is nearing zero, that might be one explanation for the different point of view regarding suitable body look. Since CBBE has nothing similar to 7B (at least nothing with its popularity), it might be more common in non-Northern cultures. But that's up for the admins to check where the DL of a mod has happened. And, of course, just a theory - could very well be complete nonsense. Same for me and made me a fan of 7B, i wanted to Role Play as muscular-ish amazonian woman, carrying a big 2H sword for my game. I tried to make something amazonian with bodyslide_unp 0.4 (preview) by stuffed bunny before 7B showed up and blew me away as that was the exact look i was going for (i may have a preset somewhere for bodyslide_unp 0.4 (preview) that is surprisingly close to 7B before it was released). When i started to play Skyrim again, only 2 body types were available at the time and they were CBBE and then just released UNP. UNP won me over because at that time UNP looked more pleasing and had better looking textures, though i have never tried CBBE, it has improved mainly with textures but i still have a soft spot for UNP. Only my char and a few followers use 7B while the NPCs use UNP and other followers use UNP or UNPB.
Effie Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 I prefer the CBBE body (after i've made it less curvy though). Idk, to me it just seems like a more normal body in some ways than UNP, but then again there's lots of different body types in the world, both breast-wise and hip-wise. It's hard to say, but in the end i just don't like how the UNP breasts look at least on lowest weight ^^ Though i do keep contemplating switching since a lot of cute outfits come for UNP as well D:
Jexsam Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 CBBE is really the only viable option anymore, since so many of the 3'rd party DD mods that you'd need to actually play the thing are putting CBBE-exclusive content into their mods, and not providing any alternatives. So i guess you'd have to use that, nothing else is really viable with DD anymore. Those of you with a bit of smarts can probably also guess why i suddenly quit devolopment of DDx after reading that.. That's only true if you use DD mods. Still don't understand why people use those. "Oh gee, you know what the most fun thing in a video game is? Having any agency you as the player have taken away!" Sounds to me like the most frustrating thing you could be put through in a game. I guess it works if you're only playing the game one-handed anyway, which I suppose is what most people who use DD and slavery mods must be doing what with them turning their games into passingly interactive sex videos, but it still seems counter-intuitive to, y'know, playing a game. I further don't understand why people still use CBBE. Before UUNP came out, sure, since Bodyslide was basically unchallenged in sheer versatility, but that's no longer the case. UNP and its derivatives can now do everything CBBE can, and look better doing it. People aren't stuck with a shit, subpar body mesh anymore. But they stick to it anyway, and even keep producing content for it. The only problem is UUNP is so late in coming that stubborn fools are gonna stick with CBBE just because it's established, ignorant (willfully, even!) that a better choice exists. The previous paragraphs were entirely opinion and not intended to state or claim fact. Also I've binged a lot of Zero Punctuation lately, can you tell?
nooblet123 Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 CBBE is really the only viable option anymore, since so many of the 3'rd party DD mods that you'd need to actually play the thing are putting CBBE-exclusive content into their mods, and not providing any alternatives. So i guess you'd have to use that, nothing else is really viable with DD anymore. Those of you with a bit of smarts can probably also guess why i suddenly quit devolopment of DDx after reading that.. That's only true if you use DD mods. Still don't understand why people use those. "Oh gee, you know what the most fun thing in a video game is? Having any agency you as the player have taken away!" Sounds to me like the most frustrating thing you could be put through in a game. I guess it works if you're only playing the game one-handed anyway, which I suppose is what most people who use DD and slavery mods must be doing what with them turning their games into passingly interactive sex videos, but it still seems counter-intuitive to, y'know, playing a game. I further don't understand why people still use CBBE. Before UUNP came out, sure, since Bodyslide was basically unchallenged in sheer versatility, but that's no longer the case. UNP and its derivatives can now do everything CBBE can, and look better doing it. People aren't stuck with a shit, subpar body mesh anymore. But they stick to it anyway, and even keep producing content for it. The only problem is UUNP is so late in coming that stubborn fools are gonna stick with CBBE just because it's established, ignorant (willfully, even!) that a better choice exists. The previous paragraphs were entirely opinion and not intended to state or claim fact. Also I've binged a lot of Zero Punctuation lately, can you tell? Skyrim and FO3 are horrible games compared to Oblivion, FO1,2 (and even FNV) so they are used as a platform to run LL mods.
Jexsam Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 Skyrim and FO3 are horrible games compared to Oblivion, FO1,2 (and even FNV) so they are used as a platform to run LL mods. I get the feeling you didn't play much Oblivion if you think it's that much better than Skyrim. It really wasn't, it's the nostalgia goggles making you think that. Spot on about FO3 though. The worldspace was more fun to explore than NV's but literally everything else was objectively inferior.
mangalo Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 I switched to UNP when Being female became a thing, CBBE was a pain in the ass with belly support (or I just didn't know how to do).
DenjiXMakima Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 CBBE is really the only viable option anymore, since so many of the 3'rd party DD mods that you'd need to actually play the thing are putting CBBE-exclusive content into their mods, and not providing any alternatives. So i guess you'd have to use that, nothing else is really viable with DD anymore. Those of you with a bit of smarts can probably also guess why i suddenly quit devolopment of DDx after reading that.. That's only true if you use DD mods. Still don't understand why people use those. "Oh gee, you know what the most fun thing in a video game is? Having any agency you as the player have taken away!" Sounds to me like the most frustrating thing you could be put through in a game. I guess it works if you're only playing the game one-handed anyway, which I suppose is what most people who use DD and slavery mods must be doing what with them turning their games into passingly interactive sex videos, but it still seems counter-intuitive to, y'know, playing a game. I further don't understand why people still use CBBE. Before UUNP came out, sure, since Bodyslide was basically unchallenged in sheer versatility, but that's no longer the case. UNP and its derivatives can now do everything CBBE can, and look better doing it. People aren't stuck with a shit, subpar body mesh anymore. But they stick to it anyway, and even keep producing content for it. The only problem is UUNP is so late in coming that stubborn fools are gonna stick with CBBE just because it's established, ignorant (willfully, even!) that a better choice exists. The previous paragraphs were entirely opinion and not intended to state or claim fact. Also I've binged a lot of Zero Punctuation lately, can you tell? Amen Skyrim and FO3 are horrible games compared to Oblivion, FO1,2 (and even FNV) so they are used as a platform to run LL mods. I get the feeling you didn't play much Oblivion if you think it's that much better than Skyrim. It really wasn't, it's the nostalgia goggles making you think that. Spot on about FO3 though. The worldspace was more fun to explore than NV's but literally everything else was objectively inferior. holy ... praise this guy .. AMEN I can only fully agree to that.
SquallPT Posted July 5, 2015 Posted July 5, 2015 CBBE is really the only viable option anymore, since so many of the 3'rd party DD mods that you'd need to actually play the thing are putting CBBE-exclusive content into their mods, and not providing any alternatives. So i guess you'd have to use that, nothing else is really viable with DD anymore. Those of you with a bit of smarts can probably also guess why i suddenly quit devolopment of DDx after reading that.. That's only true if you use DD mods. Still don't understand why people use those. "Oh gee, you know what the most fun thing in a video game is? Having any agency you as the player have taken away!" Sounds to me like the most frustrating thing you could be put through in a game. I guess it works if you're only playing the game one-handed anyway, which I suppose is what most people who use DD and slavery mods must be doing what with them turning their games into passingly interactive sex videos, but it still seems counter-intuitive to, y'know, playing a game. I further don't understand why people still use CBBE. Before UUNP came out, sure, since Bodyslide was basically unchallenged in sheer versatility, but that's no longer the case. UNP and its derivatives can now do everything CBBE can, and look better doing it. People aren't stuck with a shit, subpar body mesh anymore. But they stick to it anyway, and even keep producing content for it. The only problem is UUNP is so late in coming that stubborn fools are gonna stick with CBBE just because it's established, ignorant (willfully, even!) that a better choice exists. The previous paragraphs were entirely opinion and not intended to state or claim fact. Also I've binged a lot of Zero Punctuation lately, can you tell? I'm a ignorant, stubborn fool with a shit subpar body mesh then Don't care, don't see any reason to change it.
yatol Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 The only problem is UUNP is so late in coming that stubborn fools are gonna stick with CBBE just because it's established, ignorant (willfully, even!) that a better choice exists. strange logic, since there's a better choice than uunp before bone menu unp top model cosplay unp petite cosplay maybe not slim enought, don't know there are better choice than v4.2 too (but v4.2 is old, there's more stuff) and it's not because they put cbbe in those mods you can't replace with unp conversions (it's just small nif, if it's not already converted somewhere, it's not long to do)
Veladarius Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 I go back and forth between CBBE and UNP/UNPB, there are a lot of armor's I have that are for one body or the other. I switch if I want to play a character that the other armors would go better with it. In the end the clothing / armor available is the deciding factor for me.
rahrahrah Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 The only problem is UUNP is so late in coming that stubborn fools are gonna stick with CBBE just because it's established, ignorant (willfully, even!) that a better choice exists. strange logic, since there's a better choice than uunp before bone menu unp top model cosplay unp petite cosplay maybe not slim enought, don't know there are better choice than v4.2 too (but v4.2 is old, there's more stuff) and it's not because they put cbbe in those mods you can't replace with unp conversions (it's just small nif, if it's not already converted somewhere, it's not long to do) No, just no. The boobs and midriff might look good but that neck seam... and that mouth - last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it. Anyway, been there done that (probably far more than anybody here), with v4 in FO3 and Skyrim (and it's up to Vee- fucking-7 now. I can't be bothered riding the Poser/Daz train anymore) The price of ridiculously high levels of compatibility vs having your own special body that nobody else has just has isn't worth it. Higher poly doesn't always mean better - Lets face it, that osare culort outfit looks way way better (at a fraction of the polycount) than Fighting Fae or whatever that conversion is. The diffuse textures need an ambient occlusion layer for starters and the spec layer looks pretty bad to me (leather straps that shine like metal?) But hell, if you like it then fair enough (shrug) subjective : /səbˈdʒɛktɪv/ adjective 1. belonging to, proceeding from, or relating to the mind of the thinking subject and not the nature of the object being considered 2. of, relating to, or emanating from a person's emotions, prejudices, etc: subjective views
yatol Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 No, just no. The boobs and midriff might look good but that neck seam... and that mouth - last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it. Higher poly doesn't always mean better - Lets face it, that osare culort outfit looks way way better (at a fraction of the polycount) than Fighting Fae or whatever that conversion is. The diffuse textures need an ambient occlusion layer for starters and the spec layer looks pretty bad to me (leather straps that shine like metal?) i don't care, was using that before oh, where is the neck seam? krista solution is only good for screenshots, all i can see during killmove with her textures are the jaw seam and it was the same with other daz textures, if i use her uv map, head texture is reduce much more than the body textures, and textures no longer match (as for editing textures... i am out) most of the outfits have something that cover the neck now that seam is back on the neck, no more jaw seam to look at during killmove of course, if all you do is getting defeated or taking screenshots, that solution is a bigger problem (that neck is just some copy paste reverse of the jaw, neck seam is easier or harder to see depending on the copy paste) and osare is high poly (why do you think some outfits look much better than skyrim armors...) i used the tuto to make normalmaps in gimp from here for month, all my old outfits shine new outfits shine less, still didn't remade the old ones (setting that shine less still don't look like other armors normalmaps so it's still not that) ambient occlusion that's the black&white texture? don't know what that thing do, so i didn't bother trying to find out how to make that
rahrahrah Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 No, just no. The boobs and midriff might look good but that neck seam... and that mouth - last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it. Higher poly doesn't always mean better - Lets face it, that osare culort outfit looks way way better (at a fraction of the polycount) than Fighting Fae or whatever that conversion is. The diffuse textures need an ambient occlusion layer for starters and the spec layer looks pretty bad to me (leather straps that shine like metal?) i don't care, was using that before oh, where is the neck seam? krista solution is only good for screenshots, all i can see during killmove with her textures are the jaw seam and it was the same with other daz textures, if i use her uv map, head texture is reduce much more than the body textures, and textures no longer match (as for editing textures... i am out) most of the outfits have something that cover the neck now that seam is back on the neck, no more jaw seam to look at during killmove of course, if all you do is getting defeated or taking screenshots, that solution is a bigger problem (that neck is just some copy paste reverse of the jaw, neck seam is easier or harder to see depending on the copy paste) and osare is high poly (why do you think some outfits look much better than skyrim armors...) i used the tuto to make normalmaps in gimp from here for month, all my old outfits shine new outfits shine less, still didn't remade the old ones (setting that shine less still don't look like other armors normalmaps so it's still not that) ambient occlusion that's the black&white texture? don't know what that thing do, so i didn't bother trying to find out how to make that If there's Displacement maps with the model make a second normal out of them and overlay that on top of the normal you created from the bumpmap, normalise after flattening ofc AO textures are light/shadow maps basically and need to be rendered in max or blender. Daz models will never look as good as well textured game models without them (aery soul / alfaseed often do their own so it's not needed) http://cgi.tutsplus.com/tutorials/three-ways-to-generate-ambient-occlusion-in-3ds-max--cms-21612 http://www.3dtotal.com/tutorial/3d_studio_max/fast_ambient_occlusion_mapping/fast_ambient_occlusion_mapping_01.php Here's my textures for the anarchy corset with AO applied. http://www86.zippyshare.com/v/0nLZ1bBj/file.html
yatol Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 AO textures are light/shadow maps basically and need to be rendered in max or blender i just use blender to convert the .obj to .nif, everything is grey in blender, i don't bother loading textures on that (waste of time) don't know how black&white textures are made, but i can make something similar if i want black&white black&white texture of that oufit and i just use the normalmap gimp plugin don't look like those settings are good
gvman3670 Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 You wanta da big titties or da flatty chesta??? Well, CBBE dosen't really allow for the same customizability as UNP in terms of shapes and sizes. Sure, CBBE can go bigger. But remind yourselves that there are people who like flat chicks too. UNPB 4TW! CBBE is actually the most customizable out of them all (and now UUNP). ESPECIALLY for slim/flatness. I've been using UNP HDT-PE and while using the newest Groovtama skeleton and the newest RaceMenu I can run it from bone thin to more voluptuous than any real woman. And I don't have to deal with BodySlide or that CBBE body that looks like an inflate-a-date.
Afro68 Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 A custom body replacer specifically tweaked to emphasis wider shoulder, bigger breast and full thigh to create what you call a sexy amazonian woman while not being overly muscular. That's what made me a fan of Sevenbase. The description, the presentation on the Nexus page and the support from other modders simply made it the best looking body out there. I'm guessing it's a mix of cultural heritage and logical choice of suitable mating targets that makes that mod nearly essential to me. Meaning: I guess most people from a Nordic / viking related origin (half of Europe and it's affiliates overseas) might find strong and tall women very sexy, while they find the exact opposite to be less attractive. Since the game is played throughout the world, and in Asia and South America the Northern influence is nearing zero, that might be one explanation for the different point of view regarding suitable body look. Since CBBE has nothing similar to 7B (at least nothing with its popularity), it might be more common in non-Northern cultures. But that's up for the admins to check where the DL of a mod has happened. And, of course, just a theory - could very well be complete nonsense. Same for me and made me a fan of 7B, i wanted to Role Play as muscular-ish amazonian woman, carrying a big 2H sword for my game. I tried to make something amazonian with bodyslide_unp 0.4 (preview) by stuffed bunny before 7B showed up and blew me away as that was the exact look i was going for (i may have a preset somewhere for bodyslide_unp 0.4 (preview) that is surprisingly close to 7B before it was released). When i started to play Skyrim again, only 2 body types were available at the time and they were CBBE and then just released UNP. UNP won me over because at that time UNP looked more pleasing and had better looking textures, though i have never tried CBBE, it has improved mainly with textures but i still have a soft spot for UNP. Only my char and a few followers use 7B while the NPCs use UNP and other followers use UNP or UNPB. Same here but I have switched back and forth since I started playing but end up back at 7B.
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