heavytop Posted April 7, 2016 Posted April 7, 2016 I'm glad FO4 only has CBBE so everyone is united under one banner and BS came out right away so we don't have to be disappointed that a new armor isn't BS + body type pref
coldsun1187 Posted April 7, 2016 Posted April 7, 2016 I think choice of body is very subjective, but I prefer the look of UNP for some reason. Also, I don't like giant breasts or fake looking breasts at all. Just a personal preference but for some reason the body on UNP looks more smooth to me and I like the curves more?
gutris1 Posted April 7, 2016 Posted April 7, 2016 man vs women .. black vs white .. ps3 vs xbox windows vs mac firefox vs chrome android vs windows mobile fallout vs skyrim . . . cbbe vs uunp ? any one chose what need and love point no more ching chang chong dob back from the dead already? ching chang chong watashi wasabi sex? It was just a social experiment BRO cbbe fanboy ever from the first skyrim realse at now when i see unp and her sisters buerk arrrhhh - big head slim body and male nipple where lore and realstic ? i have never see women with uunp sharp in real life !!!
Kaz Aanh Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 My perspective of the different bodies: UNP - Skinny somewhat unnatural look UNPB - Thicker but more natural look of UNP I agree. UNP seems to be the most popular but butt is flat and unpb breast are uhh, couldn't get them to look nice with any normal map. UUNP - Basically 7b (With less seems) 7b with less seams?? UUNP is the perfection of the bodies 7B - Thicker then UNPB but more of the amazonian look 7b is bretty good but imo it looks like a *fat muscle*, with weird ass knees and silicons, which I don't really mind because there is a natural version. But I really dislike missing waist area transition to the rest of the body, welp waist is not even existant. 7BO - 2x thicker then 7b (HAS SHIT TONS OF CLIPPING AND SEEMS) I like the breasts, too bad its hard to recreate them in the uunp CBBE - Natural (Basically UNP with slightly thicker breast) (Very overused) Its not bad body but everytime i see someone else characters they are landwhales, sadly its the best body if you are into the fat or people are not creative enough to go with more slender bodies. I always end up with chubby look, heh. CHSBHC - Thiq with a q... Abnormally large, and oversized. Lots of clipping. CHSBHC lol , most ridiculous body ever created, even oblivion's manga body was better, fat big ass anime style does not transition well into the skyrim it was fine in oblivion but here ughh I prefer 7b over any because of how much armor support it has. Plus CBBE is quite ugly and extremely overused... Thats why UUNP is here, everyone can shape the body he likes and preffer. To fit his tastes, 7b has bretty gud weighting and its really pleasant to convert armour to that bodyshape. Ye no idea why i responded but got bored a bit.
idle Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I use UNPC Why? Well, i find it more natural looking and realistic: Shapes and textures for UNP/UNPC/UNPB etc etc are 3 steps over the ones used for CBBE. UNPC, especially, is the more natural-looking around, and if used in addition to ''Real Girls'' textures, the result is almost 'concrete'. From my sight, i don't understand why all of this CBBE love: shapes are unnatural, stomach is unavailable for organs and other particulars are (to me, of course) unattractive. For this it is so ''meh'' looking at thousand of epic armors for CBBE. CBBE only while UNP have fewer... ^this. I also like the more natural shape of vanilla UNP. CBBE breasts look like plastic tits (blergh!) to me. UNP breasts on the other hand look like they are actually affected by gravity and have the "teardrop" shape. CBBE slim looks good though, but I've been unable to find a HDT one this far.
Antrox Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I use UNPC Why? Well, i find it more natural looking and realistic: Shapes and textures for UNP/UNPC/UNPB etc etc are 3 steps over the ones used for CBBE. UNPC, especially, is the more natural-looking around, and if used in addition to ''Real Girls'' textures, the result is almost 'concrete'. From my sight, i don't understand why all of this CBBE love: shapes are unnatural, stomach is unavailable for organs and other particulars are (to me, of course) unattractive. For this it is so ''meh'' looking at thousand of epic armors for CBBE. CBBE only while UNP have fewer... ^this. I also like the more natural shape of vanilla UNP. CBBE breasts look like plastic tits (blergh!) to me. UNP breasts on the other hand look like they are actually affected by gravity and have the "teardrop" shape. CBBE slim looks good though, but I've been unable to find a HDT one this far. LOL UNPC is just as bad as UNP Skinny... Anorexic Unrealistic bodies...
idle Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I use UNPC Why? Well, i find it more natural looking and realistic: Shapes and textures for UNP/UNPC/UNPB etc etc are 3 steps over the ones used for CBBE. UNPC, especially, is the more natural-looking around, and if used in addition to ''Real Girls'' textures, the result is almost 'concrete'. From my sight, i don't understand why all of this CBBE love: shapes are unnatural, stomach is unavailable for organs and other particulars are (to me, of course) unattractive. For this it is so ''meh'' looking at thousand of epic armors for CBBE. CBBE only while UNP have fewer... ^this. I also like the more natural shape of vanilla UNP. CBBE breasts look like plastic tits (blergh!) to me. UNP breasts on the other hand look like they are actually affected by gravity and have the "teardrop" shape. CBBE slim looks good though, but I've been unable to find a HDT one this far. LOL UNPC is just as bad as UNP Skinny... Anorexic Unrealistic bodies... Where the hell do you live at that you'd consider UNPC as anorexic and unrealistic? Pic taken from UNPC mod site Reminder: this thread is discussing women, not cows
Antrox Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I use UNPC Why? Well, i find it more natural looking and realistic: Shapes and textures for UNP/UNPC/UNPB etc etc are 3 steps over the ones used for CBBE. UNPC, especially, is the more natural-looking around, and if used in addition to ''Real Girls'' textures, the result is almost 'concrete'. From my sight, i don't understand why all of this CBBE love: shapes are unnatural, stomach is unavailable for organs and other particulars are (to me, of course) unattractive. For this it is so ''meh'' looking at thousand of epic armors for CBBE. CBBE only while UNP have fewer... ^this. I also like the more natural shape of vanilla UNP. CBBE breasts look like plastic tits (blergh!) to me. UNP breasts on the other hand look like they are actually affected by gravity and have the "teardrop" shape. CBBE slim looks good though, but I've been unable to find a HDT one this far. LOL UNPC is just as bad as UNP Skinny... Anorexic Unrealistic bodies... Where the hell do you live at that you'd consider UNPC as anorexic and unrealistic? Pic taken from UNPC mod site Reminder: this thread is discussing women, not cows If I wanted realism I'd be using UNPB. Reminder: this thread is discussing women, not cows You're right then maybe we shouldn't bring up preferences....
idle Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 I use UNPC Why? Well, i find it more natural looking and realistic: Shapes and textures for UNP/UNPC/UNPB etc etc are 3 steps over the ones used for CBBE. UNPC, especially, is the more natural-looking around, and if used in addition to ''Real Girls'' textures, the result is almost 'concrete'. From my sight, i don't understand why all of this CBBE love: shapes are unnatural, stomach is unavailable for organs and other particulars are (to me, of course) unattractive. For this it is so ''meh'' looking at thousand of epic armors for CBBE. CBBE only while UNP have fewer... ^this. I also like the more natural shape of vanilla UNP. CBBE breasts look like plastic tits (blergh!) to me. UNP breasts on the other hand look like they are actually affected by gravity and have the "teardrop" shape. CBBE slim looks good though, but I've been unable to find a HDT one this far. LOL UNPC is just as bad as UNP Skinny... Anorexic Unrealistic bodies... Where the hell do you live at that you'd consider UNPC as anorexic and unrealistic? Pic taken from UNPC mod site Reminder: this thread is discussing women, not cows If I wanted realism I'd be using UNPB. Reminder: this thread is discussing women, not cows You're right then maybe we shouldn't bring up preferences.... You realize that in reality, there's a wide range of bust sizes? And that the average woman does absolutely not have UNPB sized breasts?
myuhinny Posted April 8, 2016 Posted April 8, 2016 @LeTwainSpoon Obvously you need glasses because FO4 does not only have CBBE it also has the Jane Bod -JB- Rev by Nightasy. If I had fallout 4 the Jane body would be the one I would be using.
lollobol Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 Well, it all depends on the situation. You can get away with a lot of things when playing at, say, 1080p, but when playing at 4k resolution, things that would otherwise look decent suddenly look terrible. Same distance from the body as the daedric armor above: Even closer shot, w/o any noticeable blockiness/aliasing (except for jpeg compression artifacts): Again, it's just a matter of personal choice. Do I need 8k skin textures instead of 4k? Definitely not. But do I want it? Of course. Aegis, please share this. I don't ask for much in life and would love this outfit You have private messages turned off. Would be great if you can send me a message, thanks for any help. I have made a normal map that looks kinda like it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- A little update (kinda) And a new one. If you want to play around with the map, then please do. Normal map honey comb.dds
darkevilhum Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 My perspective of the different bodies: UNP - Skinny somewhat unnatural look UNPB - Thicker but more natural look of UNP UNP Skinny - Just No (Anorexia) UUNP - Basically 7b (With less seems) 7B - Thicker then UNPB but more of the amazonian look 7BO - 2x thicker then 7b (HAS SHIT TONS OF CLIPPING AND SEEMS) CBBE - Natural (Basically UNP with slightly thicker breast) (Very overused) CHSBHC - Thiq with a q... Abnormally large, and oversized. Lots of clipping. I prefer 7b over any because of how much armor support it has. Plus CBBE is quite ugly and extremely overused... Can't say if you've ever seen a real womans body but CBBE is something that comes right out fantasy and fiction. UNP is actually quite anatomically correct. (I'm not talking weights, just shape, though UNP's weightier versions are still far more realistic than CBBE which was never meant to be based on realism)
cleavagesweat Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 i'm a recent convert from CBBE to UNP. CBBE is easier to get into when your new to skyrim and mods but as you get familiar with how mods work and the diff particulars of what is compatible with what, i think the natural progression is to go UNP as i think it is better quality and has more quality clothing/armor mods for it (my opinion).
Guest Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 imo unpcm by halo looks great only con is not hdt/tbbp, i use to main cbbe with lormonger hdt but im trying new things. eitherways it is practical and believable if its big tits bodyslide uunp gives you access to make big fuckin tits... bigger than cbbe. still love cbbe tho
lindazana Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I just wish there was one single body textures-type. CBBE has bodyslide...this means ANY SHAPE IS POSSIBLE with it. CBBE, ADEC, UNP, 7B, ABCD, WTF, or any other silly abbreviation bodytype. Why was the UNP bodyslide, with it's own exclusive texture ever made, thus further splitting apart the options for armors and clothing? "But UNP has better textures, CBBE is blocky crap!" If you put the models next to eachother on a still, blank canvas, careful inspection shows UNP has smoother meshes. In game, you really wouldn't notice it unless you're zoomed in to the Nth degree or have a gigantic monitor, and are staying perfectly still, and are really picky. "CBBE is overused and I want to be a special snowflake" It's so widely used because the majority of outfits and armors use it, and not using it is shooting yourself in the foot and cutting off access to the majority of armor/clothing mods out there. ....Sorry about that, rant mode over, had to get that off my chest.
Antrox Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I just wish there was one single body textures-type. CBBE has bodyslide...this means ANY SHAPE IS POSSIBLE with it. CBBE, ADEC, UNP, 7B, ABCD, WTF, or any other silly abbreviation bodytype. Why was the UNP bodyslide, with it's own exclusive texture ever made, thus further splitting apart the options for armors and clothing? "But UNP has better textures, CBBE is blocky crap!" If you put the models next to eachother on a still, blank canvas, careful inspection shows UNP has smoother meshes. In game, you really wouldn't notice it unless you're zoomed in to the Nth degree or have a gigantic monitor, and are staying perfectly still, and are really picky. "CBBE is overused and I want to be a special snowflake" It's so widely used because the majority of outfits and armors use it, and not using it is shooting yourself in the foot and cutting off access to the majority of armor/clothing mods out there. ....Sorry about that, rant mode over, had to get that off my chest. Not only the textures are shit. But the lack of armor support and how overly used it is makes it far worse.
dinomagick Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 i'm a recent convert from CBBE to UNP. CBBE is easier to get into when your new to skyrim and mods but as you get familiar with how mods work and the diff particulars of what is compatible with what, i think the natural progression is to go UNP as i think it is better quality and has more quality clothing/armor mods for it (my opinion). Actually, I was a UNP-UNPB user for a very long time. Until the new BodySlide2 came out and I can customize everything i wanted with CBBE, including making my characters have the same look/feel as UNP-UNPB. With Beeing Female, I even have the belly node for pregnancies and can handle all sorts of modifications, both for clothing and armor as well. My problem with UNP is that it may have additional vertices, but it is limited to what you can wear and use in many circumstances. Modeling armor and making a "natural" look through BodySlide2 I have learned that CBBE offers more variations and once I build the batch, for clothing and armor along with anything else I want my character to wear, it offers a lot more than UNP. I love UNP, don't get me wrong. But CBBE has pulled me into the fold, even with the HDT Physics. I also noticed a few things with CBBE that has not occurred, one in particular everyone should be familiar with. Neck Seams. All the various textures for UNP, from TopModel (which was my favorite) to others, there was always a problem of somekind with the neck seams. With CBBE, however, I notice it with hands and feet sometimes, but after I run a build for a particular preset or make my own, all those clipping issues disappear, whereas with UNP, I just had to increase weight until they vanished, and then the character didn't look the way I wanted it. THe big issue with UNP, for me at least, is the 'pregnant belly' node. It looks terrible on UNP, I really like immersiveness, especially with a pregnant NPC or Character, so when the UNP-Belly swelled, it looked completely out of preportion to the rest of the body and clipped with everything. On CBBE, after the batches are built through BOdySlide2, very little clipping occurred and the 'bouncy' body worked terrifically. Only on a few animations do I have to make some adjustments, usually timing or speed, which SexLab gives some excellent settings for and I can save them (export) and retrieve them (import) as I start new games. In short (I know, too late), I moved from UNP to CBBE and BodySlide2 because many of the really cool outfits I wanted to put on my character, looked better on CBBE, but I learned that CBBE had my full support when I got BodySlide2 as well.
ZelenEagle Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 because theres this thing called uunp bodyslide where you can do the exact same but with a unp body...
darkevilhum Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 i'm a recent convert from CBBE to UNP. CBBE is easier to get into when your new to skyrim and mods but as you get familiar with how mods work and the diff particulars of what is compatible with what, i think the natural progression is to go UNP as i think it is better quality and has more quality clothing/armor mods for it (my opinion). Actually, I was a UNP-UNPB user for a very long time. Until the new BodySlide2 came out and I can customize everything i wanted with CBBE, including making my characters have the same look/feel as UNP-UNPB. With Beeing Female, I even have the belly node for pregnancies and can handle all sorts of modifications, both for clothing and armor as well. My problem with UNP is that it may have additional vertices, but it is limited to what you can wear and use in many circumstances. Modeling armor and making a "natural" look through BodySlide2 I have learned that CBBE offers more variations and once I build the batch, for clothing and armor along with anything else I want my character to wear, it offers a lot more than UNP. I love UNP, don't get me wrong. But CBBE has pulled me into the fold, even with the HDT Physics. I also noticed a few things with CBBE that has not occurred, one in particular everyone should be familiar with. Neck Seams. All the various textures for UNP, from TopModel (which was my favorite) to others, there was always a problem of somekind with the neck seams. With CBBE, however, I notice it with hands and feet sometimes, but after I run a build for a particular preset or make my own, all those clipping issues disappear, whereas with UNP, I just had to increase weight until they vanished, and then the character didn't look the way I wanted it. THe big issue with UNP, for me at least, is the 'pregnant belly' node. It looks terrible on UNP, I really like immersiveness, especially with a pregnant NPC or Character, so when the UNP-Belly swelled, it looked completely out of preportion to the rest of the body and clipped with everything. On CBBE, after the batches are built through BOdySlide2, very little clipping occurred and the 'bouncy' body worked terrifically. Only on a few animations do I have to make some adjustments, usually timing or speed, which SexLab gives some excellent settings for and I can save them (export) and retrieve them (import) as I start new games. In short (I know, too late), I moved from UNP to CBBE and BodySlide2 because many of the really cool outfits I wanted to put on my character, looked better on CBBE, but I learned that CBBE had my full support when I got BodySlide2 as well. You should check out the UUNP bodyslide thread, aside from it having everything the CBBE bodyslide variant has, you'll be pleasantly surprised at how many conversions are put out for UUNP. I'd say it's safe to say there are actually more UUNP bodyslide compatible outfits out there than CBBE now. Thanks to the work for people like Gameplayer/Diablio (Y) On a side note I can't say I've ever had neck seam or badly shaped belly scaling issues, could possible be a texture or part mismatch?
DoctaSax Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 Thread cleaned. People using a discussion about a simple preference to insult others or tell them to kill themselves: don't. Especially if you've had multiple warnings already (you know who you are). If that's all you have to add to the thread, stay out of it.
Alchemist_Moon Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 When I first started playing and looking into armor mod, I choose CBBE because it had some armors I wanted. However, now that I have been screwing around with my game a lot since then, I wish every armor I like to use had a UUNP BS2 version. Mainly because every damned follower I want to use is freaking UNP, so changing their default outfit causes issues with seams and stuff. Oh, and I have quite a few outfits that I like that are only UNP, and I am to stupid to figure out how to convert them to CBBE Bodyslide even with the tutorials. (I need like a very slow 100% hand holding video of ever single little step or something) I still use CBBE as my main body, though. I just go into the CK and edit the skin for the UNP armors to use the specific UNP one instead of the default CBBE one when it is visually needed... that is a pita, though.
gustavobraga Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 My only problem with UUNP is the lack of vanilla conversions, my toaster can't handle the high poly ones.
Ironwulfthegreat Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 For me, try as I might, I just couldn't get CBBE to look like I wanted. Then I came across UNP TopModel, and that was it, that was what I was trying for. Is it realistic no, but neither are Dragons. It was versatile, waifish thin at 0 wt, and Amazon Buxxom at 100 wt. Of course it wasn't well supported, with very few outfits, but I plugged away at some outfits in Body Shop (badly). It got to the point were it was being overtaken by other bodies, with better options, but then UUNP BodySlide came out. And lo and behold, TopModel was supported. So now I have the body I want, with all of the bells and whistles. And all the outfits I painstakenly made can be made effortlessly in minutes through Bodyslide. It's all subjective, TopModel is the best, for me, but very few people would agree, and that's ok, because, in the end, it's my game, and the only one who I need to agree with me, is me.
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