Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Samson Nite]

On 9/18/2021 at 3:27 PM, Silvain said:

A random little issue that popped up and is a reproducable thing in my setup.

 

First naked supply run. After completing it and comming back to the house the door is locked and there is no FG to be allowed back in. Activating the door also does nothing.

I ported Father to my position (thanks for including this in the debug menu), talked to him and everything proceeded as usual.

Dear Silvain, How did you port father to your position outside of home? I don't understand that it was included in debug menu.....

[GeorgiaCav]

Teleport father to pc is an option in pchs's original debug menu. You have to set a different hotkey for it.

[Silvain]

11 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

Dear Silvain, How did you port father to your position outside of home? I don't understand that it was included in debug menu.....

 

As GeorgiaCav said it's not part of the wheel menu where you select the idles and stuff. You need to go in the Wartimes MCM and there is another Debug menu hotkey that you need to set. If you use that you can select a few things and one of them is the "Teleport Father to Player" option.

[griffinjohn59]

Ok, I've got a possible bug and some ideas for more stuff.  First, the Stuff.

 

1. Add a basin/tub/bucket to wash inside the house with, kinda annoying to have to run to the pool and out of character.  Added bonus, could move the tub as things get worse; starts in your room, then is moved to living room so dad can watch, then the backyard, then removed entirely.

 

2. Cellar punishment feels like it needs something more.  Locked naked in the basement is kinda tame for a punishment compared to the apologies.  How about as things get worse you get locked down there with Aldo, then later your dad whores your out to randoms from the party (Maybe get Belethor involved?).

 

3. Have another stage of supply run where you get the hood removed, seriously, father literally chuckles ominously about showing you off naked but nothing comes of it.

 

4. In that same vein, how about a later stage of forced bondage furniture punishment happens on one of the outdoors furniture?

 

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions, how about having father force you to recruit a follower who will enforce his clothing rules?  bonus points cause assuming it runs the same way as normal followers it will synergize with devious followers and submissive lola.  Even more ways to get screwed over.  Bonus points for the companion being utterly useless in a fight.

 

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

 

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one.  After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job.  

 

The reason that I think this is a wartimes thing is that in a normal game simply setting the escort number to zero is sufficient, and they didn't go about teleporting me to their hangout to waste my time.

 

Thank You!

 

 

[Samson Nite]

10 hours ago, Silvain said:

 

As GeorgiaCav said it's not part of the wheel menu where you select the idles and stuff. You need to go in the Wartimes MCM and there is another Debug menu hotkey that you need to set. If you use that you can select a few things and one of them is the "Teleport Father to Player" option.

Thank you Silvain ! I will try that !

[Silvain]

1 hour ago, griffinjohn59 said:

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one. 

 

After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job. 

 

The first part I can't say anything about. That sounds like a bug.

 

The second part however is probably working as intended. SLS only recognizes a certain kind of follower and I'm almost certain that EFF followers don't qualify (custom followers such as Lucien for an example also do not). The porting to the guard house should give you one of the list from available followers that is build in the SLS MCM. Dunno where exactly but the Escorts are saved in a .json file. If you don't use them you probably never build the list as such you didn't get a forced follower (which is also a tie in with Devious Followers).

[lcewolf]

6 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

Ok, I've got a possible bug and some ideas for more stuff.  First, the Stuff.

 

1. Add a basin/tub/bucket to wash inside the house with, kinda annoying to have to run to the pool and out of character.  Added bonus, could move the tub as things get worse; starts in your room, then is moved to living room so dad can watch, then the backyard, then removed entirely.

 

2. Cellar punishment feels like it needs something more.  Locked naked in the basement is kinda tame for a punishment compared to the apologies.  How about as things get worse you get locked down there with Aldo, then later your dad whores your out to randoms from the party (Maybe get Belethor involved?).

 

3. Have another stage of supply run where you get the hood removed, seriously, father literally chuckles ominously about showing you off naked but nothing comes of it.

 

4. In that same vein, how about a later stage of forced bondage furniture punishment happens on one of the outdoors furniture?

 

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions, how about having father force you to recruit a follower who will enforce his clothing rules?  bonus points cause assuming it runs the same way as normal followers it will synergize with devious followers and submissive lola.  Even more ways to get screwed over.  Bonus points for the companion being utterly useless in a fight.

 

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

 

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one.  After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job.  

 

The reason that I think this is a wartimes thing is that in a normal game simply setting the escort number to zero is sufficient, and they didn't go about teleporting me to their hangout to waste my time.

 

Thank You!

 

 

Point 1 is a good idea. I use the lac behind the house and my PC have to get up quite early. Basin/tub/bucket could be quite usefull. If you can beg for soap could help too.

 

Point 2 is an excellent Idea. It's feel like empty at the exception of a rat.

 

Point 3 I ask mostly the same point, Monoman wanted to give the mod back to PCHS. I can give you the page if you want.

Point 4 is quite a good idea. It would be nice to do it naked in front of other people. I would be a very efficient punishement.

 

Point 5. I did propose something similair at pchs, if i can subject you, you should active the license about Clothing restriction. For my personal taste i add in wartimes some restriction for the license. When you serve father naked and you have a less 25 submission father do not sell you any clothing restriction. I can send you my wartimes 8.1 with those option changed by me if you want or i can paste the line i did if you have Tes5edit.

 

Point 6 is a good point. I could change it in Tes5edit but i got no idea how reduce the time for those action.

 

For the bug point it's strange indeed. But some custom follower are not reconise as follower. I test it and it seem to work well with version 8.1, when father kick me out i don't have any license or anything else on me. I can past the gate when i pay the toll and set the required follower at zero

[kapibar]

11 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions, how about having father force you to recruit a follower who will enforce his clothing rules?  bonus points cause assuming it runs the same way as normal followers it will synergize with devious followers and submissive lola.  Even more ways to get screwed over.  Bonus points for the companion being utterly useless in a fight.

 

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

@5 I think that adding follower content would be an overkill and adding another submission mechanic would murder the RP aspect of Wartimes. Father wants a slave, it would be counterproductive to allow her to serve another master. Also, having a follower multiplies player's power significantly. As it is, father has substantial level advantage over player and killing him is actually challenging. With a follower - not a problem, you can just off him and be done with it.

@6 from my understanding being poor, malnourished and struggling for mother's survival is the whole point. You have to choose what your priorities are - either you sacrifice yourself and starve, or you sarifice mother. This way becoming father's bitch is actually rewarding and takes the burden off player's shoulders. Slavery has huge benefits. If survival was easy, who in their right mind would allow father to progressively take away their freedom?

[Monoman1]

Breaking news: Users want MOAR content in shock development

 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

1. Add a basin/tub/bucket to wash inside the house with, kinda annoying to have to run to the pool and out of character.  Added bonus, could move the tub as things get worse; starts in your room, then is moved to living room so dad can watch, then the backyard, then removed entirely.

Would likely require work on BIS as well so it's less enticing to me. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

2. Cellar punishment feels like it needs something more.  Locked naked in the basement is kinda tame for a punishment compared to the apologies.  How about as things get worse you get locked down there with Aldo, then later your dad whores your out to randoms from the party (Maybe get Belethor involved?).

Depends I suppose. Losing a day off your licences and having no access to food or water or a decent bed is not a trivial thing depending on your mod setup. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

3. Have another stage of supply run where you get the hood removed, seriously, father literally chuckles ominously about showing you off naked but nothing comes of it.

See breaking news.

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

4. In that same vein, how about a later stage of forced bondage furniture punishment happens on one of the outdoors furniture?

I'm not sure about this one. In my view I'd think Father would rather keep his sexual relationship with his step daughter a secret (or close to a secret). He's no problem dragging your reputation through the shitter though. He'd like to portray you as a rebellious, promiscuous daughter that's out of control to the people of whiterun and a burden on your 'good old' father who's struggling with your mother's illness. 

 

I don't think openly incestuous relationships would be approved of by most of the citizens of skyrim. That's just my take though. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions,

SLS stash stealing should discourage this behavior as it is. And I think kapibar is right in this instance. I've been testing the mod at 20 time scale and it's actually very difficult to manage everything at that rate. Adding demands from another mod is just going to capsize the boat entirely IMO. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

It's a fair point. 2 things I've been staying away from are the side jobs and the party. But.... realistically a stable hand is not going to hand over 500 gold to a girl for grooming a horse. I think the gold given is deliberately miserly. I think pchs' intention here was to force you into having sex with the creatures instead - Gives you more gold, takes far less time. I just don't like the total open nature of these scenarios (fucking them in front of everyone where nobody bats an eyelid). If it even was around the back of a house I wouldn't mind so much. I find it jarring. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one.  After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job. 

Sounds normal enough. Getting kicked out means you lose your resident status. The rest just sounds like you haven't set up escorts in SLS. EFF is supported (I use it). The problem is probably your choice of follower. Custom followers are stupidly hard to detect. Each one would need an individual patch. There's no way in hell I'm doing that. The follower author should just have used the vanilla framework (or provided an option to use it). Also mercenaries aren't supported (jenassa etc) because they're also on a different system. Basically if the follower doesn't have the original vanilla dialogue "Follow me. I need your help" (no gold requirement) then it's not supported and likely never will be. Simple as. 

 

Unfortunately vanilla followers don't qualify for these conditions. They're either unavailable (no lydia until you're thane) or they're mercenaries. So you need mod followers to fill the gap. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one

This sounds like a bug though in SLS. though it might just be a timing or FG issue depend on circumstances. 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Monoman1

[griffinjohn59]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

This sounds like a bug though in SLS. though it might just be a timing or FG issue depend on circumstances. 

 

Going back to save 5 seconds before getting kicked out and setting escorts to zero seems to have done the trick.

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

The rest just sounds like you haven't set up escorts in SLS.

 

D'oh!  Didn't know that was a thing.

 

Modified Point 5.  How about father removes old torso clothing (i.e. not removing shoes) as you go down the outfit list?  Or at least remove clothing from inventory once he demands nude service?  Cause the easiest way to evade restriction is to just have it in your inventory and not equip it until you leave the house.  I guess I could just enable clothing license requirement and then just set the necessary price to like 50 favor or something but much like using console commands for an extra 30 gold it feels wrong.

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

In my view I'd think Father would rather keep his sexual relationship with his step daughter a secret (or close to a secret).

 

That is a point, but the counter point is the party scenario, especially when the various scripts align and father demands tension relief during the party in front of everybody.  My own interpretation is that their incestuous relationship is basically an open secret at that point, and definitely once you do the party while naked.  Unless we believe that the party guests never talk about it to anybody else, which seems unlikely.

 

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It's a fair point. 2 things I've been staying away from are the side jobs and the party. But.... realistically a stable hand is not going to hand over 500 gold to a girl for grooming a horse. I think the gold given is deliberately miserly. I think pchs' intention here was to force you into having sex with the creatures instead - Gives you more gold, takes far less time. I just don't like the total open nature of these scenarios (fucking them in front of everyone where nobody bats an eyelid). If it even was around the back of a house I wouldn't mind so much. I find it jarring. 

 

Pretty much agree on all points.  If I had any coding skill what-so-every my tweak would be to just double most gold rewards and increase the deprivation value needed for what is effectively public bestiality from what seems like 10-20 to something closer to 70-90.  For perspective, In my current playthrough I've been using console commands to just double the gold that is given (30 gold for dog walking turns into 50-60 gold, etc.) and when father doesn't have a task I work tables at the Inn.  Even with all that I'm generally hungry, thirsty, tired, and just barely keeping mom alive.  The only time I've ever come close to being financially secure is when I started picking pockets and robbing houses, selling my stolen goods to the Khajeet Caravans (I have a mod that turns them into fences) and even then if they are late arriving or I don't have a good haul it's either whoring or starvation while also losing mom, resulting in a rather boring ending.  

[Clea Strange]

keeps saying that I failed to relieve father's tension

[fred200]

My biggest problem at the party is the pole dance.

Very rarely, I can end the dance by moving away.

Most of the time, I am stuck in "Pole Dance" forever.

Is there any way to force an end to this animation?

 

Second point - first time into Whiterun, they forced a cursed collar on me.

Cursed collar - no mana - so AddItemMenu can not be cast. So no skimpy outfits...

 

Once Father throws you out - for no discernable reason - and the Serve Father Quest ends - are you well and truly done?

 

Edit: Pole dance problem was solved by installing Beta 6 of Display Model. Did not even know Display Model had a pole dance...

Still need some guidance on how to remove this cursed collar. Enabled licenses, but now the guard only says come back tomorrow.

Blocking Father's collar is not making him happy...

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by fred200

[Samson Nite]

2 hours ago, fred200 said:

My biggest problem at the party is the pole dance.

Very rarely, I can end the dance by moving away.

Most of the time, I am stuck in "Pole Dance" forever.

Is there any way to force an end to this animation?

 

Second point - first time into Whiterun, they forced a cursed collar on me.

Cursed collar - no mana - so AddItemMenu can not be cast. So no skimpy outfits...

 

Once Father throws you out - for no discernable reason - and the Serve Father Quest ends - are you well and truly done?

 

I have similar problem "Father throw you out" and WT is done without any time end.

Is there any cheat code or remedy to stop Pc tossed out of home?

[lcewolf]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Breaking news: Users want MOAR content in shock development

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

See breaking news.
 

 

Could you tell me what you are refer to ?

[Samson Nite]

On 9/23/2021 at 12:22 AM, lcewolf said:

 

Could you tell me what you are refer to ?

It looks like Monoman1 is preparing a a breaking news of big update for "MOAR" user !!!! ?❤️

[fred200]

I have a couple of problems I could use help with on the SE version:

1) How do you get the hood off?

2) BeingFemale64 is simply not compatible any longer. Instant CTD before Skyrim menu. What are folks using?

3) How do you fill a Cumtainer? It is not intuitive...

 

Well - a couple more:

 

4) What triggers Mother's return?

5) Is there a story line after volunteering to become a slave? It just seems to end Serving Father...

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by fred200

[lcewolf]

On 9/22/2021 at 7:31 PM, Hiderius said:

keeps saying that I failed to relieve father's tension

You need to make him cum. In the sexlab option, turn off avance stage auto.

if you don't use Sexlab separate Orgasm. It will allow you to use ''Stamina'' for help father to cum.

 

 

[Monoman1]

6 hours ago, lcewolf said:

turn off avance stage auto.

Cheater ?

10 hours ago, fred200 said:

How do you get the hood off?

He should take it off when you report back.

10 hours ago, fred200 said:

BeingFemale64 is simply not compatible any longer. Instant CTD before Skyrim menu. What are folks using?

Being female or fertility mode.

10 hours ago, fred200 said:

How do you fill a Cumtainer? It is not intuitive...

During a blow job or you can collect cum from your body using the sls wheel.

10 hours ago, fred200 said:

What triggers Mother's return?

You ask for it basically. Needs amp framework though. Or earn enough gold. 

10 hours ago, fred200 said:

there a story line after volunteering to become a slave? It just seems to end Serving Father..

No. You've been handed off to SD. Wartime ends more or less. 

17 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

It looks like Monoman1 is preparing a a breaking news of big update for "MOAR" user !!!! ?❤️

Woah . You got me very wrong there. It was a shitty joke that users will always want more content . If only it was as easy as typing a couple of lines on a forum though... ah. Should have added: In other news: jaded modder is jaded. Serious lack of interest in skyrim lately im afraid. 

On 9/23/2021 at 4:01 AM, Samson Nite said:

I have similar problem "Father throw you out" and WT is done without any time end.

Is there any cheat code or remedy to stop Pc tossed out of home?

You can just set favour via the console.

Failure is meant to be a big part of mod though. All this circumventing it with console commands and bad SLSO/SL settings is missing the point IMO. 

On 9/23/2021 at 1:19 AM, fred200 said:

Very rarely, I can end the dance by moving awa

:shrug: moving works for me. And I don't use display model. 

On 9/23/2021 at 1:19 AM, fred200 said:

Second point - first time into Whiterun, they forced a cursed collar on me.

Cursed collar - no mana - so AddItemMenu can not be cast. So no skimpy outfits...

There's two versions of additem - spell or power. Use power therefore no mana needed. Or you can try the debug option in the sls wheel. 

Or just set up the outfits as wartime outfits and he'll give them to you. 

Also additemmenu = more cheating ?

On 9/23/2021 at 1:19 AM, fred200 said:

Once Father throws you out - for no discernable reason - and the Serve Father Quest ends - are you well and truly done?

Ahem. Discernable reason is that favour hit -10. And yes. 

On 9/23/2021 at 1:19 AM, fred200 said:

Still need some guidance on how to remove this cursed collar. Enabled licenses, but now the guard only says come back tomorrow

Either find a key, pick it or get a magic licence and ask for it to be removed. Father can also provide licences if you're good. 

Come back tomorrow = come back tomorrow... its a natural part of sls denial. You can turn it off in the menu if you're really impatient. 

 

Also any collar from zaz or DD should satisfy father just fine. 

On 9/23/2021 at 12:31 AM, Hiderius said:

keeps saying that I failed to relieve father's tension

Bad slso settings probably  

Edited September 26, 2021 by Monoman1

[fred200]

Thank you Monoman1! That helped!

What would also help is suggested SLSO settings...  This is another area that is just not obvious...

SLS settings also. There are about a million of them - and effects are not obvious...

 

Final question: What triggers MME interface? MME is installed - but milk never gets mentioned.

 

 

Answered this one myself... You have to be pregnant. This is working fine now. Daily quota; Father asks for the milk.

Still no idea how to give cumtainer to Father. I use SLS to collect it - but then what...

Edited September 27, 2021 by fred200

[rafatla]

How do I trigger the pah portion of the mod?

[fred200]

32 minutes ago, rafatla said:

How do I trigger the pah portion of the mod?

 

That is one that is actually working for me. I have four PAH slaves doing household chores. No idea how I triggered it though...

[ck2modfan]

Started playthrough of Wartimes Tweaked. What an amazing mod! Synergizes so well with SLS (go figure!). Seriously, very well done.

 

Couple of questions:

- What is supposed to happen in Solitude? Took (free) trip there. Was given money to cover cost (presumably) but carriage driver did not take any money. When I got to Solitude, nothing happened. Walked around town and returned to carriage driver. Took me home for free. Father drunk when returned but that was it.

- Worked and worked on economy using alchemy and finally able to save the 10k. Paid for Mama's return. She returned home, told me to find Uncle. Went to Riften. Found Uncle. Quest marker. No dialog choices. Waited for a bit. No dialog choices.

- From I gather, if a "bad" ending happens, WT quest ends and SD quest kicks in?

- Is WT recommended with Slaverun? And Requiem? Wait until WT finishes before starting Slaverun?

 

Thank you!

[Silvain]

3 minutes ago, ck2modfan said:

Started playthrough of Wartimes Tweaked. What an amazing mod! Synergizes so well with SLS (go figure!). Seriously, very well done.

 

Couple of questions:

- What is supposed to happen in Solitude? Took (free) trip there. Was given money to cover cost (presumably) but carriage driver did not take any money. When I got to Solitude, nothing happened. Walked around town and returned to carriage driver. Took me home for free. Father drunk when returned but that was it.

 

If using YPS (and YPS Tweaked from Monoman1) you should go to the clothing shop (Radiant Rainments?) and speak with the NPC named Tris.

Spoiler

She will give you piercings, pierce you and smolder them shut. There are several trips each progressing the amount of piercings you should be wearing for Father.

 

[fred200]

Please - someone chip in how we are supposed to collect and deliver Cumtainers to Father...

That is the only mechanic I have not been able to figure out.  Well - one of. I am always in trouble for not enough orgasms and not enough cum...

[ck2modfan]

18 minutes ago, Silvain said:

 

If using YPS (and YPS Tweaked from Monoman1) you should go to the clothing shop (Radiant Rainments?) and speak with the NPC named Tris.

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She will give you piercings, pierce you and smolder them shut. There are several trips each progressing the amount of piercings you should be wearing for Father.

 

Ah... thanks!