Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 about beeing kicked out - although the debug says that I should be allowed back in the house, it doesn't happen. Days and days have passed, and nothing has happened.

Also - it would be great if there was an option to customize supply run mask. The iron hood is great and all, but personally I think the open ebonite hood is much more demeaning.

If you receive the message "Father will allow me back inside again" then the door should be unlocked. Unlocking it is a part of the same code segment. Try unlocking the door via the console. You should get FG'ed by father once inside. 

[kapibar]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

If you receive the message "Father will allow me back inside again" then the door should be unlocked. Unlocking it is a part of the same code segment. Try unlocking the door via the console. You should get FG'ed by father once inside. 

That was my plan - to open it via console and murder the fuck out of this fucker :D.

[Silvain]

A random little issue that popped up and is a reproducable thing in my setup.

 

First naked supply run. After completing it and comming back to the house the door is locked and there is no FG to be allowed back in. Activating the door also does nothing.

I ported Father to my position (thanks for including this in the debug menu), talked to him and everything proceeded as usual.

[Samson Nite]

My PC could never make father happy, always failed and get -25 points. What is criterium or requirement not to be failed? Is it issue with SL setting or SL Orgasm ?

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 it turned out after some time the door has been opened. So I killed the fucker, but intresting issue appeared. Now the cum puddles appear outside of the house when PC has sex.

[GeorgiaCav]

Suggestions for parties:

1. capability to invite Sabjorn and/or Belethor to parties -- maybe they give Father free mead/supplies in exchange for an invite

2. after a certain number of parties at the house, sex parties at Sabjorn's.

[lcewolf]

4 hours ago, GeorgiaCav said:

Suggestions for parties:

1. capability to invite Sabjorn and/or Belethor to parties -- maybe they give Father free mead/supplies in exchange for an invite

2. after a certain number of parties at the house, sex parties at Sabjorn's.

Even when PCHS was working on that mod i always wonder why Belethor was not invited.

 

He is the most active '' Partner'' of father. He arrange the sell of mother, he sell the device with find around and inside the house and when we have enough submission. He as problably sell all item for the PC at Father.(Devious Device) The way he speak made me believe he think exactly or close like father.

 

Once the Shopping quest will be complete, i would add it at the party. But it's my opinion and i like this idea.

 

It's a good idea for Sabjorn too!

[Samson Nite]

The party has already too many guests, as I remember 5 or 6, and house is very busy. 

If really Belethor or Sabjorn should be included, I recommend it to be their store or other places. Sabjorn's store might be the best, because it have seats and tables.

Belethore's store has no seats as I remeber.......

[excidium93]

2 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

The party has already too many guests, as I remember 5 or 6, and house is very busy. 

 

The guests are generic, so maybe switch 2 of them for Belethor and Sabjorn?

[audhol]

can't seem to get the fashion quest to trigger, can some kind soul please confirm these are the right files for se?

 

Spoiler

SLS 0.672

Wartimes Tweak v8.2

YPS 6.2.1 + sound and texture pack

YPS Tweak 1.7 se + updated underwear.json

 

I'm getting the hairy comments from the gate guards about the new fine for not shaving but thats from SLS I think. So If these are indeed the correct files what are the conditions for the quest to trigger?

[MilanJa]

31 minutes ago, audhol said:

can't seem to get the fashion quest to trigger, can some kind soul please confirm these are the right files for se?

 

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SLS 0.672

Wartimes Tweak v8.2

YPS 6.2.1 + sound and texture pack

YPS Tweak 1.7 se + updated underwear.json

 

I'm getting the hairy comments from the gate guards about the new fine for not shaving but thats from SLS I think. So If these are indeed the correct files what are the conditions for the quest to trigger?

 

There is also YPS tweak 2.2 & SLS 0.673, YPS there is for SE & LE just pick right one in fomod

 

SLS 0.673 is here

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/149018-wartimes-a-daughters-tale-le-alternate-start-scenario/?do=findComment&comment=3463767

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by MilanJa

[audhol]

10 minutes ago, MilanJa said:

There is also YPS tweak 2.2 & SLS 0.673

Thank you, seems I was a long way back with the yps tweak.

 

[Samson Nite]

On 9/18/2021 at 3:27 PM, Silvain said:

A random little issue that popped up and is a reproducable thing in my setup.

 

First naked supply run. After completing it and comming back to the house the door is locked and there is no FG to be allowed back in. Activating the door also does nothing.

I ported Father to my position (thanks for including this in the debug menu), talked to him and everything proceeded as usual.

Dear Silvain, How did you port father to your position outside of home? I don't understand that it was included in debug menu.....

[GeorgiaCav]

Teleport father to pc is an option in pchs's original debug menu. You have to set a different hotkey for it.

[Silvain]

11 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

Dear Silvain, How did you port father to your position outside of home? I don't understand that it was included in debug menu.....

 

As GeorgiaCav said it's not part of the wheel menu where you select the idles and stuff. You need to go in the Wartimes MCM and there is another Debug menu hotkey that you need to set. If you use that you can select a few things and one of them is the "Teleport Father to Player" option.

[griffinjohn59]

Ok, I've got a possible bug and some ideas for more stuff.  First, the Stuff.

 

1. Add a basin/tub/bucket to wash inside the house with, kinda annoying to have to run to the pool and out of character.  Added bonus, could move the tub as things get worse; starts in your room, then is moved to living room so dad can watch, then the backyard, then removed entirely.

 

2. Cellar punishment feels like it needs something more.  Locked naked in the basement is kinda tame for a punishment compared to the apologies.  How about as things get worse you get locked down there with Aldo, then later your dad whores your out to randoms from the party (Maybe get Belethor involved?).

 

3. Have another stage of supply run where you get the hood removed, seriously, father literally chuckles ominously about showing you off naked but nothing comes of it.

 

4. In that same vein, how about a later stage of forced bondage furniture punishment happens on one of the outdoors furniture?

 

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions, how about having father force you to recruit a follower who will enforce his clothing rules?  bonus points cause assuming it runs the same way as normal followers it will synergize with devious followers and submissive lola.  Even more ways to get screwed over.  Bonus points for the companion being utterly useless in a fight.

 

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

 

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one.  After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job.  

 

The reason that I think this is a wartimes thing is that in a normal game simply setting the escort number to zero is sufficient, and they didn't go about teleporting me to their hangout to waste my time.

 

Thank You!

 

 

[Samson Nite]

10 hours ago, Silvain said:

 

As GeorgiaCav said it's not part of the wheel menu where you select the idles and stuff. You need to go in the Wartimes MCM and there is another Debug menu hotkey that you need to set. If you use that you can select a few things and one of them is the "Teleport Father to Player" option.

Thank you Silvain ! I will try that !

[Silvain]

1 hour ago, griffinjohn59 said:

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one. 

 

After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job. 

 

The first part I can't say anything about. That sounds like a bug.

 

The second part however is probably working as intended. SLS only recognizes a certain kind of follower and I'm almost certain that EFF followers don't qualify (custom followers such as Lucien for an example also do not). The porting to the guard house should give you one of the list from available followers that is build in the SLS MCM. Dunno where exactly but the Escorts are saved in a .json file. If you don't use them you probably never build the list as such you didn't get a forced follower (which is also a tie in with Devious Followers).

[lcewolf]

6 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

Ok, I've got a possible bug and some ideas for more stuff.  First, the Stuff.

 

1. Add a basin/tub/bucket to wash inside the house with, kinda annoying to have to run to the pool and out of character.  Added bonus, could move the tub as things get worse; starts in your room, then is moved to living room so dad can watch, then the backyard, then removed entirely.

 

2. Cellar punishment feels like it needs something more.  Locked naked in the basement is kinda tame for a punishment compared to the apologies.  How about as things get worse you get locked down there with Aldo, then later your dad whores your out to randoms from the party (Maybe get Belethor involved?).

 

3. Have another stage of supply run where you get the hood removed, seriously, father literally chuckles ominously about showing you off naked but nothing comes of it.

 

4. In that same vein, how about a later stage of forced bondage furniture punishment happens on one of the outdoors furniture?

 

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions, how about having father force you to recruit a follower who will enforce his clothing rules?  bonus points cause assuming it runs the same way as normal followers it will synergize with devious followers and submissive lola.  Even more ways to get screwed over.  Bonus points for the companion being utterly useless in a fight.

 

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

 

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one.  After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job.  

 

The reason that I think this is a wartimes thing is that in a normal game simply setting the escort number to zero is sufficient, and they didn't go about teleporting me to their hangout to waste my time.

 

Thank You!

 

 

Point 1 is a good idea. I use the lac behind the house and my PC have to get up quite early. Basin/tub/bucket could be quite usefull. If you can beg for soap could help too.

 

Point 2 is an excellent Idea. It's feel like empty at the exception of a rat.

 

Point 3 I ask mostly the same point, Monoman wanted to give the mod back to PCHS. I can give you the page if you want.

Point 4 is quite a good idea. It would be nice to do it naked in front of other people. I would be a very efficient punishement.

 

Point 5. I did propose something similair at pchs, if i can subject you, you should active the license about Clothing restriction. For my personal taste i add in wartimes some restriction for the license. When you serve father naked and you have a less 25 submission father do not sell you any clothing restriction. I can send you my wartimes 8.1 with those option changed by me if you want or i can paste the line i did if you have Tes5edit.

 

Point 6 is a good point. I could change it in Tes5edit but i got no idea how reduce the time for those action.

 

For the bug point it's strange indeed. But some custom follower are not reconise as follower. I test it and it seem to work well with version 8.1, when father kick me out i don't have any license or anything else on me. I can past the gate when i pay the toll and set the required follower at zero

[kapibar]

11 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions, how about having father force you to recruit a follower who will enforce his clothing rules?  bonus points cause assuming it runs the same way as normal followers it will synergize with devious followers and submissive lola.  Even more ways to get screwed over.  Bonus points for the companion being utterly useless in a fight.

 

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

@5 I think that adding follower content would be an overkill and adding another submission mechanic would murder the RP aspect of Wartimes. Father wants a slave, it would be counterproductive to allow her to serve another master. Also, having a follower multiplies player's power significantly. As it is, father has substantial level advantage over player and killing him is actually challenging. With a follower - not a problem, you can just off him and be done with it.

@6 from my understanding being poor, malnourished and struggling for mother's survival is the whole point. You have to choose what your priorities are - either you sacrifice yourself and starve, or you sarifice mother. This way becoming father's bitch is actually rewarding and takes the burden off player's shoulders. Slavery has huge benefits. If survival was easy, who in their right mind would allow father to progressively take away their freedom?

[Monoman1]

Breaking news: Users want MOAR content in shock development

 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

1. Add a basin/tub/bucket to wash inside the house with, kinda annoying to have to run to the pool and out of character.  Added bonus, could move the tub as things get worse; starts in your room, then is moved to living room so dad can watch, then the backyard, then removed entirely.

Would likely require work on BIS as well so it's less enticing to me. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

2. Cellar punishment feels like it needs something more.  Locked naked in the basement is kinda tame for a punishment compared to the apologies.  How about as things get worse you get locked down there with Aldo, then later your dad whores your out to randoms from the party (Maybe get Belethor involved?).

Depends I suppose. Losing a day off your licences and having no access to food or water or a decent bed is not a trivial thing depending on your mod setup. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

3. Have another stage of supply run where you get the hood removed, seriously, father literally chuckles ominously about showing you off naked but nothing comes of it.

See breaking news.

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

4. In that same vein, how about a later stage of forced bondage furniture punishment happens on one of the outdoors furniture?

I'm not sure about this one. In my view I'd think Father would rather keep his sexual relationship with his step daughter a secret (or close to a secret). He's no problem dragging your reputation through the shitter though. He'd like to portray you as a rebellious, promiscuous daughter that's out of control to the people of whiterun and a burden on your 'good old' father who's struggling with your mother's illness. 

 

I don't think openly incestuous relationships would be approved of by most of the citizens of skyrim. That's just my take though. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

5. To combat players putting clothes in buckets outside to evade fathers restrictions,

SLS stash stealing should discourage this behavior as it is. And I think kapibar is right in this instance. I've been testing the mod at 20 time scale and it's actually very difficult to manage everything at that rate. Adding demands from another mod is just going to capsize the boat entirely IMO. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

6. Add a multiplier function to fathers errands earnings.  Seriously, three hours walking a pack of dogs and I only get 30 gold?  I've been using console commands and just doubling it so I can keep Mom from dying and myself just barely from starving.

It's a fair point. 2 things I've been staying away from are the side jobs and the party. But.... realistically a stable hand is not going to hand over 500 gold to a girl for grooming a horse. I think the gold given is deliberately miserly. I think pchs' intention here was to force you into having sex with the creatures instead - Gives you more gold, takes far less time. I just don't like the total open nature of these scenarios (fucking them in front of everyone where nobody bats an eyelid). If it even was around the back of a house I wouldn't mind so much. I find it jarring. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

Now for my bug, maybe.  Don't know if it's a wartimes thing or a Sexlab Survival thing.  First, Yes, I do have wartimes and sexlab survival fully updated.  What's happening is strange.  After getting kicked out by father (temporarily) the guards suddenly start insisting that I need an escort.  they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one.  After using EFF to force somebody into becoming a follower they none the less insist that I need an escort.  Am I missing something?  Cause normally setting it to zero did the trick without any shenanigans.  Furthermore, after escorting me to the guard house is something supposed to happen?  For all their insistence on me getting an escort none of them seem interested in taking up the job. 

Sounds normal enough. Getting kicked out means you lose your resident status. The rest just sounds like you haven't set up escorts in SLS. EFF is supported (I use it). The problem is probably your choice of follower. Custom followers are stupidly hard to detect. Each one would need an individual patch. There's no way in hell I'm doing that. The follower author should just have used the vanilla framework (or provided an option to use it). Also mercenaries aren't supported (jenassa etc) because they're also on a different system. Basically if the follower doesn't have the original vanilla dialogue "Follow me. I need your help" (no gold requirement) then it's not supported and likely never will be. Simple as. 

 

Unfortunately vanilla followers don't qualify for these conditions. They're either unavailable (no lydia until you're thane) or they're mercenaries. So you need mod followers to fill the gap. 

16 hours ago, griffinjohn59 said:

they continue to insist after I've set the required number of escorts to 0 that I still need one

This sounds like a bug though in SLS. though it might just be a timing or FG issue depend on circumstances. 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Monoman1

[griffinjohn59]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

This sounds like a bug though in SLS. though it might just be a timing or FG issue depend on circumstances. 

 

Going back to save 5 seconds before getting kicked out and setting escorts to zero seems to have done the trick.

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

The rest just sounds like you haven't set up escorts in SLS.

 

D'oh!  Didn't know that was a thing.

 

Modified Point 5.  How about father removes old torso clothing (i.e. not removing shoes) as you go down the outfit list?  Or at least remove clothing from inventory once he demands nude service?  Cause the easiest way to evade restriction is to just have it in your inventory and not equip it until you leave the house.  I guess I could just enable clothing license requirement and then just set the necessary price to like 50 favor or something but much like using console commands for an extra 30 gold it feels wrong.

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

In my view I'd think Father would rather keep his sexual relationship with his step daughter a secret (or close to a secret).

 

That is a point, but the counter point is the party scenario, especially when the various scripts align and father demands tension relief during the party in front of everybody.  My own interpretation is that their incestuous relationship is basically an open secret at that point, and definitely once you do the party while naked.  Unless we believe that the party guests never talk about it to anybody else, which seems unlikely.

 

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It's a fair point. 2 things I've been staying away from are the side jobs and the party. But.... realistically a stable hand is not going to hand over 500 gold to a girl for grooming a horse. I think the gold given is deliberately miserly. I think pchs' intention here was to force you into having sex with the creatures instead - Gives you more gold, takes far less time. I just don't like the total open nature of these scenarios (fucking them in front of everyone where nobody bats an eyelid). If it even was around the back of a house I wouldn't mind so much. I find it jarring. 

 

Pretty much agree on all points.  If I had any coding skill what-so-every my tweak would be to just double most gold rewards and increase the deprivation value needed for what is effectively public bestiality from what seems like 10-20 to something closer to 70-90.  For perspective, In my current playthrough I've been using console commands to just double the gold that is given (30 gold for dog walking turns into 50-60 gold, etc.) and when father doesn't have a task I work tables at the Inn.  Even with all that I'm generally hungry, thirsty, tired, and just barely keeping mom alive.  The only time I've ever come close to being financially secure is when I started picking pockets and robbing houses, selling my stolen goods to the Khajeet Caravans (I have a mod that turns them into fences) and even then if they are late arriving or I don't have a good haul it's either whoring or starvation while also losing mom, resulting in a rather boring ending.  

[Clea Strange]

keeps saying that I failed to relieve father's tension

[fred200]

My biggest problem at the party is the pole dance.

Very rarely, I can end the dance by moving away.

Most of the time, I am stuck in "Pole Dance" forever.

Is there any way to force an end to this animation?

 

Second point - first time into Whiterun, they forced a cursed collar on me.

Cursed collar - no mana - so AddItemMenu can not be cast. So no skimpy outfits...

 

Once Father throws you out - for no discernable reason - and the Serve Father Quest ends - are you well and truly done?

 

Edit: Pole dance problem was solved by installing Beta 6 of Display Model. Did not even know Display Model had a pole dance...

Still need some guidance on how to remove this cursed collar. Enabled licenses, but now the guard only says come back tomorrow.

Blocking Father's collar is not making him happy...

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by fred200

[Samson Nite]

2 hours ago, fred200 said:

My biggest problem at the party is the pole dance.

Very rarely, I can end the dance by moving away.

Most of the time, I am stuck in "Pole Dance" forever.

Is there any way to force an end to this animation?

 

Second point - first time into Whiterun, they forced a cursed collar on me.

Cursed collar - no mana - so AddItemMenu can not be cast. So no skimpy outfits...

 

Once Father throws you out - for no discernable reason - and the Serve Father Quest ends - are you well and truly done?

 

I have similar problem "Father throw you out" and WT is done without any time end.

Is there any cheat code or remedy to stop Pc tossed out of home?