Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Koozie]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Well its partially working already. If you go idle - combat - surrender, it'll pacify all nearby aggressors. But that's it. Its what happens next thats unclear and how or when or how long or under what conditions to nullify aggression. 

 

And whether or not to go with a faction system...

 

there is surrender option in regular Skyrim. when fighting guards you can hide weapon to surrender, maybe it can help 

[Desvati]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Believe me. I'm well aware of the scope (nuts)

But its a surrender feature. Not defeat. Surrender is something you do yourself. Defeat is not. 

I've tried Defeat's surrender but didn't think much of it. 

 

This all stems from thugs. There should be some way to surrender to them. And since I'm overhauling thugs it needs that exit. Its a bit silly as it is, being chased across skyrim, defeat, chase again, defeat etc etc for as long as it takes to chip the thugs to death. 

I know Baka was making tweaks to Defeat that might be more up your alley, though with so many mods that already handle surrendering (off top of my head: Maria Eden, DCL, Defeat, Naked Defeat) wouldn't this cause a lot of issues vis-a-vis surrendering and what happens after?

[kapibar]

Or maybe something modern for a change? Defeat is old and outdated, but Naked Defeat is developing rather nicely and it does have a surrender option.

[Cybersky]

Currently there are several "surrender" scenarios:

 

SD surrender;

xPop Prison;

Defeat;

Naked defeat...

 

The only way for them to work together is using "SM Essential Player". Perhaps a Surrender Shout similar to the one already in SLS, but with a pacifying effect for bandits and creatures. It would work well if you were already thinking about surrendering before the fight. Or add a unique SLS event inside Defeat with special conditions or high priority.

[2020X]

I would like to see more done with the 'party' - Like random event where father straps you to furniture and let the guests help themselves

 

[Thelargir]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/112276
This mod would be really nice if it could be integrated into the party somehow. Like having a guest make you come and sit on your lap, while they grope you, of course

[Anunya]

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes? Soul Gem Oven 3 or Soul Gem Oven 4? Or something else?

 

And does that answer change for SE?

 

(I'm primarily interested in the soul gem birthing aspect rather than having actual babies involved).

Edited June 27, 2022 by Anunya

[tygct]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes? Soul Gem Oven 3 or Soul Gem Oven 4? Or something else?

 

And does that answer change for SE?

 

(I'm primarily interested in the soul gem birthing aspect rather than having actual babies involved).

SL Survival only checks for SGO3, so if you install SGO4 the interface won't be active since the new version has a different master plugin name.

 

I have no idea if Oldrim SGO3 works for SE but if I were you I would play it safe and install SGO4 instead of the LE version. I mean there aren't features that important in SL Survival to install Soul Gem Oven 3, there's only the possibility to milk the player through the All In One menu instead of using the SGO spell I believe and something related to the bestiality part of the mod, may Monoman correct me if I'm wrong tho.

 

You can still edit the interface script of SL Survival and change it to look for the SGO4 master, but first you may want to check if all SGO functions SL Survival calls are still there in the SGO4 and collect all dependencies to compile the script. You may have a hard time doing so tho since I cannot even count how many soft dependencies SL Survival has.

Edited June 27, 2022 by tygct

[Silvain]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes? Soul Gem Oven 3 or Soul Gem Oven 4? Or something else?

 

And does that answer change for SE?

 

(I'm primarily interested in the soul gem birthing aspect rather than having actual babies involved).

 

As tygct said, SGO4 won't work. SGO3 can work if you convert it to SE, but last time I checked the author of SGO was very adamant about not using SGO3 on SE. If I remember correctly the reason was something along the lines of "will work at first but later it will break (your game)". Dunno if that is still the case.

 

Anyway I use and recommend Fertility Mode together with Fertility Mode Fixes (on the Nexus) for SE. Works well, is a bit slower than SGO and has less of a focus on soul gem birth but does support it. And so far it is very stable.

[rakhidas]

it still doesn't work properly.

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, rakhidas said:

it still doesn't work properly.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

6 hours ago, Anunya said:

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes?

Best choice is probably fertility mode. SGO doesn't make much sense for WT story.

17 hours ago, Thelargir said:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/112276
This mod would be really nice if it could be integrated into the party somehow. Like having a guest make you come and sit on your lap, while they grope you, of course

True enough.

On 6/22/2022 at 12:53 PM, 2020X said:

I would like to see more done with the 'party' - Like random event where father straps you to furniture and let the guests help themselves

 

Wouldn't we all.

On 6/20/2022 at 11:34 PM, Cybersky said:

Perhaps a Surrender Shout similar to the one already in SLS, but with a pacifying effect for bandits and creatures. It would work well if you were already thinking about surrendering before the fight. Or add a unique SLS event inside Defeat with special conditions or high priority.

Well remember we are talking about SLS here. So that's exactly the effect I was going to use. But not a shout. I don't like that kind of thing. Through the wheel is fine IMO. 

 

The point here is that you select it through the wheel while you're not defeated. You have a good idea you're going to lose this fight - This is manual conflict 'avoision' by the player themselves. Ofc there's still the issue where you'd get defeated, get up, get defeated, get up, etc but at least you have 'an out' now.

[Thelargir]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but do you have an ETA on the next update?

[audhol]

11 minutes ago, Thelargir said:

Sorry if this has been asked before, but do you have an ETA on the next update?

[kapibar]

To quote the immortal words of 3D Realms: "when it's done".

[Monoman1]

[tamai]

hey monoman1 did you ever have any ideas for scenarios of maybe father finding out you're dragonborn or that you can shout?

[Anunya]

Random idea for your consideration:

 

Once you start making a bit of money doing sexual things at the stable/ at Nazeem's farm/ the guard tower those folks occasionally blackmail you to do a little extra. Otherwise "I'll tell your dad what a nasty little whore you are." This, IMO, would be particularly juicy if done at one of the parties at the house.

[bubba999]

Hideho! Just getting back to Survival and Wartimes. Are these the latest for SE? Wartimes 10.3 and Survival .685 Beta?  Thanks.

[kapibar]

6 hours ago, bubba999 said:

Hideho! Just getting back to Survival and Wartimes. Are these the latest for SE? Wartimes 10.3 and Survival .685 Beta?  Thanks.

Yup. Latest versions are in Monoman's signature.

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I was thinking about this punishing mechanic for mother's death and I think I've got something. PC blames herself so much, she takes a vow to never cause death to anyone else and in consequence will not learn any offensive spells and drop every weapon equipped, because she refuses to take someone's life.

[Monoman1]

On 6/29/2022 at 8:44 AM, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I was thinking about this punishing mechanic for mother's death and I think I've got something. PC blames herself so much, she takes a vow to never cause death to anyone else and in consequence will not learn any offensive spells and drop every weapon equipped, because she refuses to take someone's life.

Forever and ever? I dunno. Think some people will have a problem with that
But I've two gripes with it. 

1. It is again a consequence that can not be predicted by the player. 

2. I'm not sure I can differentiate between offensive and other spells. 

[Will55]

New to this mod although it took me 3 days to get my new profile to run it properly.

There seems to be a problem with the drinks. he says: "get me an ale".

I get the ale/wine etc but my char is unable to give it to him as all speech lines available deny the fact that the wanted drink is in my possession.

It almost seems like my char is being set up to fail by the mod.

I understand that the submission/depravity bit is in many ways the ultimate aim but I didn't want it to be this easy.

 

Any clues on what i am doing wrongly?

 

Just loved waking up with a sticky face, had no idea that dog drool was "sticky".

So far, I am itching to collar him. Must control myself.

 

Ohh and the diary fails to update as did help diary 4 when i added it.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Will55

[kapibar]

21 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Forever and ever? I dunno. Think some people will have a problem with that

Well, maybe they shouldn't let mother die, d'uh ?.

 

22 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

1. It is again a consequence that can not be predicted by the player.

Let's see... You have amputator framework. So if you want something predictable - father can give you the ultimatum: you either keep mother alive, or he will cut off your good hand. Not as punishing as no weapons at all, but it can be easily predicted ?.
 

27 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

2. I'm not sure I can differentiate between offensive and other spells. 

Without magic overhaul offensive spells are mostly grouped in two schools - destruction and conjuration. Being a lazy ass that I am, I would just set both to -1.000.000, or something like that.

 

18 minutes ago, Will55 said:

I get the ale/wine etc but my char is unable to give it to him as all speech lines available deny the fact that the wanted drink is in my possession.

You need to serve drinks on a tray (equip tray via wheel menu or assigneg hotkey), then select dialogue option "about your drink".

[Will55]

57 minutes ago, kapibar said:

You need to serve drinks on a tray (equip tray via wheel menu or assigneg hotkey), then select dialogue option "about your drink".

Thank you!

I worked it all out, but it still is nowhere near 100% functional as sometime the idle just does not work but then **** happens, I guess.

My char refused to be his brood mare and was kicked out. I am so tempted to murder the old hag and join the DB just to kill him.

I am abandoning this trial run through and will start gain later, this time being a whore instead of a desperate virgin.

I played this char by ear TBH and next time will read up a little first.

Overall, it is a pretty good look at the RL expectations of a working/peasant class daughter over 98% of mankind's history which many of those in this world seem to have forgotten, that is, if they ever knew it. 

[Anunya]

Re: consequences for "mother's death" I'd prefer something that is external rather than internal to the PC. Personally I like to determine how my character feels rather than have it imposed, and "I'm so upset I won't ever cast hostile spells or wield a weapon" seems like quite the imposition.

 

IF you wanted something roughly similar in scope, I could see father declare he won't acquire magic or weapon licenses for you, or maybe charge double or triple the normal cost for them since "you killed your mother" or something like, effectively locking you out of having access to magic/ weapons/ armour.

 

Other potential consequences for "letting" mother die (and I'm just brainstorming here rather than offering thoroughly thought out suggestions) could be:

 

After a brief pause, father finds some other reason you need to effectively spend money on him. Maybe every so often he's "sad about mother's death, and needs a drink" and you have to go buy some very expensive alcohol or suffer a beating/ severe score loss. Maybe you have to guess the right amount to give him... if you give him too few he's surly, and if you give him too much you get a drunken beating.

 

Or maybe every so often you have to go pick up (and pay for) a prostitute (or willing neighbour) and bring her home for a threesome with father "to cheer him up a bit".

 

Maybe there's a random chance for a "depressive episode" (sort of like "father is drunk") where there's a chance of severe score loss as father blames you for "mother's death".

 

Maybe father brings in some other (horrible) woman to take mother's place (even if just as a visitor) and you have twice the amount of things to do, with two people placing demands on you (this could still be through father, saying things like "mother needs... [x]" or she could make demands herself). Things that "your new mother" could demand and do: you buy clothes for her, you pick flowers for her, you acquire YPS beauty supplies for her (or she might steal yours), she needs to be fed just like father, she also has a "serve me food/ drink" schedule, she demands sex from you (while father watches/ participates/ or is out and better hope he doesn't come home and catch you), generate double the amount of messes that need to be cleaned up, maybe she whips you... maybe sometimes she demands things that are in contradiction to what father demands and you have to pick who you piss off or try to desperately juggle conflicting demands.

 

Maybe there's a new set of tasks involving being sent to the temple of Arkay to do penance for causing mother's death, involving a corrupt priest and who knows what sort of humiliations inflicted.

 

... obviously, just a bunch of ideas. Take them or leave them as you will