Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

42 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

At the current rate of progress...  ∞

So... basically you're saying that you'd wait an eternity for an update ?.

I assumed you have some problems with SLS's development judging by the thread. That's why I didn't bother you with WT (after all, you said you'll get it done AFTER the SLS update, for which I'm waiting too), but since you provoked the question yourself... Anyway, don't forget about us. Maybe cut down on sleep or something ^^.

[Monoman1]

48 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I assumed you have some problems with SLS's development judging by the thread.

Problems of scale. What was meant to be an hour or 2 side job has turned into a god damned project. 

 

Meant to just overhaul thugs a little but: 

- The trigger is just too 'narrow' IMO

- NPCs shouldn't be so stupid - "All my stuff is gone after WhatsHerFace was in here. Must have been imagining things. Welp, back to being a dumbass. Dup-de-doo."

- Thugs should be stronger with a better party composition. (they're all melee. Usually makes running away a cinch. But of course they keep coming. More stupidity. Should have a chance to 'lose' them). 

 

Ideas for outcomes are exploding:

- You should be able to surrender. This is the tricky one. Ideally you'd be able to surrender to anything/anyone. 

- Beaten, fucked and dumped somewhere (WIP). Dumping system is sort of in place. Needs more adverse location dumps. 

- Since I have an exact list of what you stole I can steal all of it back again. (and then some). 

- Why not have the person you stole from ask the thugs to bring you back and apologise. With your mouth. Or just straight up blackmail you. 

- Why not have shop keepers you stole from pissed off at you and give you shit deals. 

Possibilities, possibilities...

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Monoman1

[jc321]

7 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

You should be able to surrender. This is the tricky one. Ideally you'd be able to surrender to anything/anyone.

 

MariaEden does it. Seems to be able to surrender to anything, even during battle. You could ask Zaira how he does it?

[Monoman1]

5 minutes ago, jc321 said:

 

MariaEden does it. Seems to be able to surrender to anything, even during battle. You could ask Zaira how he does it?

Well its partially working already. If you go idle - combat - surrender, it'll pacify all nearby aggressors. But that's it. Its what happens next thats unclear and how or when or how long or under what conditions to nullify aggression. 

 

And whether or not to go with a faction system...

[Monoman1]

11 minutes ago, tamai said:

 

Its 300 gold however everytime I ask he says ill wait until you do more chores and im not sure the number im suppose to do to get him to give me the table.

Check topic xx4D4BC6

Looks like 30 tasks - stuff like cleaning the floor, making dinner etc. (Not the side tasks)

help  pchsFatherTasksDone

Edited June 20, 2022 by Monoman1

[jc321]

17 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Well its partially working already. If you go idle - combat - surrender, it'll pacify all nearby aggressors. But that's it. Its what happens next thats unclear and how or when or how long or under what conditions to nullify aggression. 

 

And whether or not to go with a faction system...

There's 3 scenarios in ME if I can recall.

 

1. You wear a ring which instantly nullifies any aggression so you can walk up to bandits with no issues, just don't remove the ring

2. When you surrender you get assaulted then a certain time period before they become aggressive again (I assume is normal skyrim stuff)

3. You surrender and are then kept .. I assume this puts you into a faction. It doesn't appear to be a bandit faction since you can get sold on and don't face any issues with guards etc.. once released. 

 

 

[Darkwing241]

23 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Ideas for outcomes are exploding:

You should be able to surrender. This is the tricky one. Ideally you'd be able to surrender to anything/anyone. 

Beaten, fucked and dumped somewhere (WIP). Dumping system is sort of in place. Needs more adverse location dumps. 

Since I have an exact list of what you stole I can steal all of it back again. (and then some). 

Why not have the person you stole from ask the thugs to bring you back and apologise. With your mouth. Or just straight up blackmail you. 

Why not have shop keepers you stole from pissed off at you and give you shit deals. 

Possibilities, possibilities...

These all sound super fun, but aren't you just making a defeat mod at this point? I'm a little reminded of cursed loot and how it tried to take every single mechanic and tried to put it under one umbrella. DCL obviously isn't a bad mod but all of the things that it does are limited to Kimy's exact vision (and kinks).   This Thugs project seems like it would be a good fit for your mod tweaks as a hook into naked defeat or classic defeat.

[Monoman1]

24 minutes ago, Darkwing241 said:

These all sound super fun, but aren't you just making a defeat mod at this point? I'm a little reminded of cursed loot and how it tried to take every single mechanic and tried to put it under one umbrella. DCL obviously isn't a bad mod but all of the things that it does are limited to Kimy's exact vision (and kinks).   This Thugs project seems like it would be a good fit for your mod tweaks as a hook into naked defeat or classic defeat.

Believe me. I'm well aware of the scope (nuts)

But its a surrender feature. Not defeat. Surrender is something you do yourself. Defeat is not. 

I've tried Defeat's surrender but didn't think much of it. 

 

This all stems from thugs. There should be some way to surrender to them. And since I'm overhauling thugs it needs that exit. Its a bit silly as it is, being chased across skyrim, defeat, chase again, defeat etc etc for as long as it takes to chip the thugs to death. 

[Koozie]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Well its partially working already. If you go idle - combat - surrender, it'll pacify all nearby aggressors. But that's it. Its what happens next thats unclear and how or when or how long or under what conditions to nullify aggression. 

 

And whether or not to go with a faction system...

 

there is surrender option in regular Skyrim. when fighting guards you can hide weapon to surrender, maybe it can help 

[Desvati]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Believe me. I'm well aware of the scope (nuts)

But its a surrender feature. Not defeat. Surrender is something you do yourself. Defeat is not. 

I've tried Defeat's surrender but didn't think much of it. 

 

This all stems from thugs. There should be some way to surrender to them. And since I'm overhauling thugs it needs that exit. Its a bit silly as it is, being chased across skyrim, defeat, chase again, defeat etc etc for as long as it takes to chip the thugs to death. 

I know Baka was making tweaks to Defeat that might be more up your alley, though with so many mods that already handle surrendering (off top of my head: Maria Eden, DCL, Defeat, Naked Defeat) wouldn't this cause a lot of issues vis-a-vis surrendering and what happens after?

[kapibar]

Or maybe something modern for a change? Defeat is old and outdated, but Naked Defeat is developing rather nicely and it does have a surrender option.

[Cybersky]

Currently there are several "surrender" scenarios:

 

SD surrender;

xPop Prison;

Defeat;

Naked defeat...

 

The only way for them to work together is using "SM Essential Player". Perhaps a Surrender Shout similar to the one already in SLS, but with a pacifying effect for bandits and creatures. It would work well if you were already thinking about surrendering before the fight. Or add a unique SLS event inside Defeat with special conditions or high priority.

[2020X]

I would like to see more done with the 'party' - Like random event where father straps you to furniture and let the guests help themselves

 

[Thelargir]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/112276
This mod would be really nice if it could be integrated into the party somehow. Like having a guest make you come and sit on your lap, while they grope you, of course

[Anunya]

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes? Soul Gem Oven 3 or Soul Gem Oven 4? Or something else?

 

And does that answer change for SE?

 

(I'm primarily interested in the soul gem birthing aspect rather than having actual babies involved).

Edited June 27, 2022 by Anunya

[tygct]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes? Soul Gem Oven 3 or Soul Gem Oven 4? Or something else?

 

And does that answer change for SE?

 

(I'm primarily interested in the soul gem birthing aspect rather than having actual babies involved).

SL Survival only checks for SGO3, so if you install SGO4 the interface won't be active since the new version has a different master plugin name.

 

I have no idea if Oldrim SGO3 works for SE but if I were you I would play it safe and install SGO4 instead of the LE version. I mean there aren't features that important in SL Survival to install Soul Gem Oven 3, there's only the possibility to milk the player through the All In One menu instead of using the SGO spell I believe and something related to the bestiality part of the mod, may Monoman correct me if I'm wrong tho.

 

You can still edit the interface script of SL Survival and change it to look for the SGO4 master, but first you may want to check if all SGO functions SL Survival calls are still there in the SGO4 and collect all dependencies to compile the script. You may have a hard time doing so tho since I cannot even count how many soft dependencies SL Survival has.

Edited June 27, 2022 by tygct

[Silvain]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes? Soul Gem Oven 3 or Soul Gem Oven 4? Or something else?

 

And does that answer change for SE?

 

(I'm primarily interested in the soul gem birthing aspect rather than having actual babies involved).

 

As tygct said, SGO4 won't work. SGO3 can work if you convert it to SE, but last time I checked the author of SGO was very adamant about not using SGO3 on SE. If I remember correctly the reason was something along the lines of "will work at first but later it will break (your game)". Dunno if that is still the case.

 

Anyway I use and recommend Fertility Mode together with Fertility Mode Fixes (on the Nexus) for SE. Works well, is a bit slower than SGO and has less of a focus on soul gem birth but does support it. And so far it is very stable.

[rakhidas]

it still doesn't work properly.

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, rakhidas said:

it still doesn't work properly.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

6 hours ago, Anunya said:

Which pregnancy mods integrate nicely with SL Survival & Wartimes?

Best choice is probably fertility mode. SGO doesn't make much sense for WT story.

17 hours ago, Thelargir said:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/112276
This mod would be really nice if it could be integrated into the party somehow. Like having a guest make you come and sit on your lap, while they grope you, of course

True enough.

On 6/22/2022 at 12:53 PM, 2020X said:

I would like to see more done with the 'party' - Like random event where father straps you to furniture and let the guests help themselves

 

Wouldn't we all.

On 6/20/2022 at 11:34 PM, Cybersky said:

Perhaps a Surrender Shout similar to the one already in SLS, but with a pacifying effect for bandits and creatures. It would work well if you were already thinking about surrendering before the fight. Or add a unique SLS event inside Defeat with special conditions or high priority.

Well remember we are talking about SLS here. So that's exactly the effect I was going to use. But not a shout. I don't like that kind of thing. Through the wheel is fine IMO. 

 

The point here is that you select it through the wheel while you're not defeated. You have a good idea you're going to lose this fight - This is manual conflict 'avoision' by the player themselves. Ofc there's still the issue where you'd get defeated, get up, get defeated, get up, etc but at least you have 'an out' now.

[Thelargir]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but do you have an ETA on the next update?

[audhol]

11 minutes ago, Thelargir said:

Sorry if this has been asked before, but do you have an ETA on the next update?

[kapibar]

To quote the immortal words of 3D Realms: "when it's done".

[Monoman1]

[Anunya]

Random idea for your consideration:

 

Once you start making a bit of money doing sexual things at the stable/ at Nazeem's farm/ the guard tower those folks occasionally blackmail you to do a little extra. Otherwise "I'll tell your dad what a nasty little whore you are." This, IMO, would be particularly juicy if done at one of the parties at the house.

[bubba999]

Hideho! Just getting back to Survival and Wartimes. Are these the latest for SE? Wartimes 10.3 and Survival .685 Beta?  Thanks.