Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[kapibar]

37 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

True enough. It's a shame there isn't an almighty All-In-One futa mod at this stage...

Maybe it's just an illusion, but it sounds like you have your eye on a new venture ?.

[Balgin]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

2. Father might eventually turn your dominant sister into a futa to better put you in your place. Get pregnant by your futa sister? Wouldn't work very well with the 'father marrying sister' scenario though. 

Just remember to turn on female to female cum in the Sexlab MCM for Beeing Female to let a woman get you pregnant.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Maybe it's just an illusion, but it sounds like you have your eye on a new venture ?.

I think you're delirious. 

Meshes & textures? Me? Nope!

23 minutes ago, Balgin said:

Just remember to turn on female to female cum in the Sexlab MCM for Beeing Female to let a woman get you pregnant.

Without an easyish futa mod to install it seems unlikely unfortunately. 

 

 

I think your bedroom will change over time. Vanilla bedroom -> exposed bedroom -> jail bedroom. 

But at what points in the story would make good spots to transition...?

 

And lets not forget the exposed bathroom too...

 

Vanilla:

Spoiler

 

Exposed:

Spoiler

 

Jail:

Spoiler

 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

11 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I think you're delirious. 

Meshes & textures? Me? Nope!

It's never too late to learn.

 

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I think your bedroom will change over time. Vanilla bedroom -> exposed bedroom -> jail bedroom. 

But at what points in the story would make good spots to transition...?

That really is a good question. For jail - the obvious choice would be when PC becomes pregnant, but this can happen fairly quickly. Honestly, the story in WT is so limited it wouldn't make much sense to pinpoint the exact constant point. Instead linking it to submission/depravity seems like a more logical solution. Except both of those parameters skyrocket when devices are introduced. Twice a day both receive substantial boost, not to mention furniture and parties.

 

So maybe you should consider using the game time passed as a threshold (exposed -> 10/15 days, jail -> 25+) with a random chance for the event to occur.

[beerman778]

19 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I think your bedroom will change over time. Vanilla bedroom -> exposed bedroom -> jail bedroom. 

But at what points in the story would make good spots to transition...?

Depends, when you already planned something along the lines of not being allowed to leave the house at certain points/times. Then maybe violating that rule "progresses" the room.

 

Could also bind it to the submission score.

[beerman778]

4 minutes ago, kapibar said:

So maybe you should consider using the game time passed as a threshold (exposed -> 10/15 days, jail -> 25+) with a random chance for the event to occur.

Not a fan of binding this to time. I guess everyone progress at a different pace. So some internal score like submission probably makes more sense.

[kapibar]

Just now, beerman778 said:

Not a fan of binding this to time. I guess everyone progress at a different pace. So some internal score like submission probably makes more sense.

It would if it didn't get as much boost with no involvement from the player. After all the devices become requirement, you'll be @ 100 sub/dep in no time.

[beerman778]

7 minutes ago, kapibar said:

It would if it didn't get as much boost with no involvement from the player. After all the devices become requirement, you'll be @ 100 sub/dep in no time.

I mean, there is no reason to cap sub @ 100 in the first place

[kapibar]

21 minutes ago, beerman778 said:

I mean, there is no reason to cap sub @ 100 in the first place

If there's no cap, the parameter itself becomes kinda pointless from roleplaying standpoint. How should the player know which choices are in line with daughter's character if there's no benchmark? Then there's also no benefit in telling the player what the current level of the stat is. It could be just mod's internal parameter.

Edited May 4, 2022 by kapibar

[beerman778]

29 minutes ago, kapibar said:

If there's no cap, the parameter itself becomes kinda pointless from roleplaying standpoint. How should the player know which choices are in line with daughter's character if there's no benchmark? Then there's also no benefit in telling the player what the current level of the stat is. It could be just mod's internal parameter.

Right, but the cap doesn't have to be 100 for the sake of creating a longer lasting score for the room progress.

[Monoman1]

While there's not much happening with the vanilla room I don't want it to change too fast either. There IS player modesty (player won't change cuirass/bra/panty outside of the bathroom/bedroom) which might make a good logical handoff for the exposed bedroom. Player loses her modesty at 100 depravity. That can come around pretty quick too though but seems like a reasonable choice. Or perhaps after her first cock teasing event. 

Father: "You like showing off that body of yours do you? Good, cus I did a little renovating..."

 

I suppose the exposed bathroom could be done randomly after that point. Which reminds me, I need to check how BiS shyness is going to work with that... (so many things :S)

 

I think 100 sub would probably be too soon to switch to the jail though considering it's probably permanent you'd want to give the other 2 a fair shot first. It's likely you'd want to introduce the PC to whoring (if I ever get around to it) before progressing from exposed to jail. 

 

37 minutes ago, beerman778 said:

Right, but the cap doesn't have to be 100 for the sake of creating a longer lasting score for the room progress.

Rather than change the caps (there's probably so many checks that would have to be rebalanced dynamically), I'd prefer to just multiply incoming increases by a user configurable multiplier. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Monoman1

[beerman778]

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Rather than change the caps (there's probably so many checks that would have to be rebalanced dynamically), I'd prefer to just multiply incoming increases by a user configurable multiplier. 

Yes, I think that makes sense, instead of increasing the depravity always by one, maybe increase it by 0.5 or so, that could also change by event.So some sources create more or less depravity. Also depravity makes more sense than submission

[kapibar]

9 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Rather than change the caps (there's probably so many checks that would have to be rebalanced dynamically), I'd prefer to just multiply incoming increases by a user configurable multiplier. 

Like I said - dep/sub is probably the most optimal parameter by which events can be scheduled. My only concern was the pacing. If you can regulate it somehow, then there's no problem and it would be intuitive tool to introduce such events.

[Monoman1]

Pffh.

I'm going to have to add more pages to the mcm...

[safado]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

 

Without an easyish futa mod to install it seems unlikely unfortunately.

 

 

Maybe something like this helps.

The mod "Schlongs of Skyrim - SexLab Addon SE 1.1" is a modification of "SOS SE 1.1.4" that adds the feature to automatically change sexlab gender based on sos' add-on attached.

 

SOS - Sexlab Gender menu settings. Added by mod.

Spoiler

 

Manual/Auto SOS NPC setting for add-on selection.

Spoiler

 

Sexlab shows the automatic gender override for the NPC.

Spoiler

 

It is for SE, but maybe the plugin Form44 format can be rolled back to Form43 by opening it as active plugin in Creation Kit LE (32bits) and re-saving it without any modification.

 

I could not find original mod page, but somebody posted it in SOS AE forum.

Here is the link to that one.  

 

 

Edited May 4, 2022 by safado

[Desvati]

8 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

2. Father might eventually turn your dominant sister into a futa to better put you in your place. Get pregnant by your futa sister? Wouldn't work very well with the 'father marrying sister' scenario though. 

And suddenly I imagine a route where dominant sister removes Father from the equation to own her sister to herself...

 

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

While there's not much happening with the vanilla room I don't want it to change too fast either. There IS player modesty (player won't change cuirass/bra/panty outside of the bathroom/bedroom) which might make a good logical handoff for the exposed bedroom. Player loses her modesty at 100 depravity. That can come around pretty quick too though but seems like a reasonable choice. Or perhaps after her first cock teasing event. 

Father: "You like showing off that body of yours do you? Good, cus I did a little renovating..."

 

I suppose the exposed bathroom could be done randomly after that point. Which reminds me, I need to check how BiS shyness is going to work with that... (so many things :S)

 

I think 100 sub would probably be too soon to switch to the jail though considering it's probably permanent you'd want to give the other 2 a fair shot first. It's likely you'd want to introduce the PC to whoring (if I ever get around to it) before progressing from exposed to jail. 

 

Rather than change the caps (there's probably so many checks that would have to be rebalanced dynamically), I'd prefer to just multiply incoming increases by a user configurable multiplier. 

Technically speaking, much of the mod can happen slowly or quickly entirely dependent on the PC and what they do/what happens to them, in part because of the random nature of Father's forcegreets. In one playthrough you might get your ears pierced day three, and not see another one for a long time, where in another you'd be fully bejeweled in a week. If the room changes have some limitation (maybe like a lot of the other current features it could be x/y depravity and x/y sex action with father) which should naturally slow down each step within a certain degree of randomnes and each player's own settings regarding regular sex with Father and so on. ?

[kapibar]

9 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Pffh.

I'm going to have to add more pages to the mcm...

 

 

7 hours ago, Desvati said:

And suddenly I imagine a route where dominant sister removes Father from the equation to own her sister to herself...

 

This idea may be intresting, but I'm very much against it. Up until now the father has been built as a force to be reckoned with. He's intelligent, capable, driven and focused. If you introduce a scenario in which he gets fucked over by his own slave, it would undermine WT as a whole. Father would become beta-dom. An oblivious looser.

 

Also - from a narrative POV - father is invested in enslaving his daughter because he has something to gain - a legit heir. This makes him more believable character. The sister would have no stakes in it beside the schlong, so the whole relationship on a psychological level would be shallow. And what exactly would stop the player from killing the bitch on the spot...? It's not like she had time or opportunity to build recources comparable to father, so she doesn't have the same protection fether does.

[Monoman1]

Futa sister (if it was to happen) would definitely have to be optional anyway so there's no point arguing about it other than to provide some better approach. 

 

11 hours ago, safado said:

It is for SE, but maybe the plugin Form44 format can be rolled back to Form43 by opening it as active plugin in Creation Kit LE (32bits) and re-saving it without any modification.

Thanks for the help but you see this is the problem. All the futa stuff is very hodgepodge. As a modder I just want to say to users "hey, if you want futa stuff then install and configure xxxx mod and everything will be taken care of". I'd be able to do 'GetIsFuta()', 'SetFuta()' and not have to worry about:

Which schlong mod is installed

What schlong addon is preferred for race x

Backporting an AE mod

Maintaining said backport

 

Painful stuff 

 

An all in one futa management mod that covers all the main bodies is sorely needed. Mostly I just see "hey I'm supporting x schlong, for y body type, for z platform (LE/SE/AE) and that's it". It's not much good to me I'm afraid. 

 

Maybe I'm overcomplicating stuff in my head - I've never ran a futa mod for more than just messing about but that's the impression I've gotten from it all. Any help is appreciated though.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Monoman1

[jc321]

On 5/2/2022 at 1:15 PM, Monoman1 said:

Your long lost twin sister... Copied looks, hair colour, weight, height, race. Needs racemenu though. 

Customizable name, hair, voice type.

This is only toying with the beginning of an idea. Proof of concept type thing. Nothing concrete. 

 

I think the idea of introducing a sister is great, not sure what story line you have imagined that introduces her .. but don't forget poor old Uncle out in the woods. Maybe she stayed with him .. or maybe it's not your twin but your cousin .. might help with any of the incest connotations .. depending on how that relationship goes of course. 

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, jc321 said:

might help with any of the incest connotations

Mmm. Well actually I've removed any references to father being your step father in the update. Not sure what people think of that. + it doesn't get more incestious than getting spit roasted by father + futa sister...

 

Let's not forget folks... video game != real life. I've no real life aspirations for anything in this mod...

[Desvati]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

An all in one futa management mod that covers all the main bodies is sorely needed. Mostly I just see "hey I'm supporting x schlong, for y body type, for z platform (LE/SE/AE) and that's it". It's not much good to me I'm afraid. 

I thought mainly it was just SoS and then "futa mod of choice that fits your body/textures", though I guess the bigger problem is how you detect for it, unless you can use however sexlab does it ?

 

3 hours ago, kapibar said:

This idea may be intresting, but I'm very much against it. Up until now the father has been built as a force to be reckoned with. He's intelligent, capable, driven and focused. If you introduce a scenario in which he gets fucked over by his own slave, it would undermine WT as a whole. Father would become beta-dom. An oblivious looser.

 

Also - from a narrative POV - father is invested in enslaving his daughter because he has something to gain - a legit heir. This makes him more believable character. The sister would have no stakes in it beside the schlong, so the whole relationship on a psychological level would be shallow. And what exactly would stop the player from killing the bitch on the spot...? It's not like she had time or opportunity to build recources comparable to father, so she doesn't have the same protection fether does.

The narrative hook is pretty clear — Its a hell of your own making. Father involved you in capturing and breaking your sister, and if she were to take over, you essentially created your own entrapment, separate from Father's investment (who you can also kill at any point, so that argument never works) in you. Its a different dynamic.

Regardless, as Mono says, its a potential option as any idea is.

[Desvati]

18 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Mmm. Well actually I've removed any references to father being your step father in the update. Not sure what people think of that. + it doesn't get more incestious than getting spit roasted by father + futa sister...

 

Let's not forget folks... video game != real life. I've no real life aspirations for anything in this mod...

We definitely removed some of the "step" connotations in the dialogue update in the past too. It loses a lot of its weight when you try to skirt around the taboo which you're trying to use. Very anime trope.

Hopefully people can keep real life and games separate, at least on this board.

[kapibar]

  

12 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Not sure what people think of that.

I for one think absolutely nothing. Considering the race issue - it is only logical that he's PC's step father. But if we consider a scenario that he's in fact your real father - it actually undermines the entire "wanting an heir" thing. He never says anything about the sex of the heir, so we have to assume that he doesn't care. But if so - why doesn't he recognize PC as a legitimate heir...? Purity of genes, perhaps? But he never says anything about that, either. If you leave the whole thing open to interpretation - it's all fine IMHO.

 

8 minutes ago, Desvati said:

separate from Father's investment (who you can also kill at any point, so that argument never works) in you.

Considering level disparity between PC and father - it's not like you can kill him easily. With SLS gender debuffs and cum addiction in play it's rather hard to fuck him up. And the wole situation PC is in doesn't make things easier - you end him, you end your mother. From the RP perspective - the only moment in which you can actually put him in the ground is after the mother has already died. Introducing someone with no attachement, someone he has no contol over would be uncharacteristically stupid move on his part. I don't believe this is a kind of error he would make.

[Monoman1]

7 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I for one think absolutely nothing. Considering the race issue - it is only logical that he's PC's step father. But if we consider a scenario that he's in fact your real father - it actually undermines the entire "wanting an heir" thing. He never says anything about the sex of the heir, so we have to assume that he doesn't care. But if so - why doesn't he recognize PC as a legitimate heir...? Purity of genes, perhaps? But he never says anything about that, either. If you leave the whole thing open to interpretation - it's all fine IMHO.

True. In the modified diary entry I've leaned heavily into him wanting a son. Which of course adds (yet another) layer of complication - needing to detect what sex you've given birth to and what to do if you have a girl...

Edited May 5, 2022 by Monoman1

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 on a completely different note. I tried a different approach to gameplay than usual - the goal was to not give myself to father willingly. It turns out that if you operate efficiently enough to compensate for the loss of favors (sex progress - vanilla; regular @ blowjob) you can actually function without having sex with him. Was raped only once and... that's it. I assumed I could go like this until being recognized as breeder. But now mother's back and 24 hours later there still isn't an option to help father with his tension (which means he will not force himself on the player either). That means I could keep this up forever - not apologizing, keeping up positive balance of favours.

 

I think this issue should be addressed in the update/fix - father should regularly rape the PC when she refuses to progress sex activities. Otherwise with proper knowledge the player can dodge him with little to no difficulty and would have to walk out of his way to get the mod back on track. Or at least regular sex should begin when recognized as breeder. Otherwise it's kinda pointless to be one ?.

Edited May 5, 2022 by kapibar