Submissive Lola: The resubmission

[Bratty Cheeks - RMCW]

8 hours ago, shiagwen said:

If default MCM sets same 2 hours for timescale 5, then this time is 4 times longer than at timescale 20. Which makes the rare effect.

to have the same realtime at timescale 5 MCM should be at 25 % .

This is a good point, be good if we could set the MCM option to as low as 25%. I have it on 75% (current minimum) with 10 timescale but would like to set it to 50%.

 

Another thing: Any chance we could get a cooldown on the naked rule after you have been allowed to wear clothes again? When I have a higher submission I find it's pretty much a waste of time (and risk of gag) to ask to wear clothes again, as your owner will quite likely ask you to be naked again within the same day that they allowed you to wear clothes again.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, RMCW said:

This is a good point, be good if we could set the MCM option to as low as 25%. I have it on 75% (current minimum) with 10 timescale but would like to set it to 50%.

Since the problem is caused by the player's timescale setting, the frequency for offering service will be scaled to the current timescale and you won't have to adjust other things to try to compensate.  Therefore, at 100%, you should have the normal frequency in real time regardless of timescale.  This change will be in the next update.  MCM info text will be updated to mention this scaling.  

 

The MCM slider for cooldown for forced prostitution will be changed in the next update to be more granular, with 2-hour intervals and a minimum of 2 hours.  The maximum will also be reduced a bit.

2 hours ago, RMCW said:

Any chance we could get a cooldown on the naked rule after you have been allowed to wear clothes again? When I have a higher submission I find it's pretty much a waste of time (and risk of gag) to ask to wear clothes again, as your owner will quite likely ask you to be naked again within the same day that they allowed you to wear clothes again.

Being asked to strip is not related to score.  Being made to stay naked afterwards is a flat chance when score is at least 20.  That chance is your MCM setting for Eye Candy.  I will look at adding some sort of cooldown, since it is strange to be told to be naked right after being allow to dress again (unless the owner is intentionally messing with you).

[Bratty Cheeks - RMCW]

45 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Therefore, at 100%, you should have the normal frequency in real time regardless of timescale.  This change will be in the next update.  MCM info text will be updated to mention this scaling. 

Awesome

45 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Being asked to strip is not related to score.  Being made to stay naked afterwards is a flat chance when score is at least 20.  That chance is your MCM setting for Eye Candy.  I will look at adding some sort of cooldown, since it is strange to be told to be naked right after being allow to dress again (unless the owner is intentionally messing with you).

Not the eye candy one I mean I don't think. It's the one that updates the main quest journal entry to say "Obey your clothing restrictions", where you can set where the clothing restrictions apply in MCM.

 

With that one after I beg owner to change the rule, it is removed but never for very long. Seems harsh after I have been gagged multiple times and rejected for attempting to ask

[Hex Bolt]

58 minutes ago, RMCW said:

Not the eye candy one I mean I don't think. It's the one that updates the main quest journal entry to say "Obey your clothing restrictions", where you can set where the clothing restrictions apply in MCM.

 

With that one after I beg owner to change the rule, it is removed but never for very long. Seems harsh after I have been gagged multiple times and rejected for attempting to ask

Ah, okay.  Yes I was thinking of the eye candy one.  The Nudity Rule is intended for permanent nudity in the areas that you choose, and that one can start at score 50.  You can of course set it to be as lax as player home only.  That's working as intended.  You can ask for a temporary exception (and risk the gag) but it's very temporary and subject to the owner's whim.  You might be happier setting this one to home only.  Asking to lift the restriction mainly makes sense if you intentionally drop your score below 50 and intend to keep it there.

 

The two rules (ignoring the other naked for 48 hours rule) are opposites.

Eye Candy:  You're normally clothed.  After a while you can dress again.

Nudity Rule:  You're normally naked.  You can ask for a brief exception to the rule.

 

Set the Nudity Rule for only the areas where you really want your character to have to be naked.  The eye candy effect (depending on MCM setting) can give you random periods of enforced nudity in other areas.  I'm working on an optional feature to have to ask to wear clothes again when the eye candy period expires, so it could last even longer if you choose.  I'll probably put a 12 minute cooldown on stripping after eye candy expires.

 

EDIT:  I will also remove the duration from the eye candy quest objective, e.g., "Remain COMPLETELY naked for your Master's pleasure for two hours", since that's increasingly inaccurate the more your timescale differs from 20.  The eye candy spell effect shows you the remaining time anyway.

[Moacir Jr]

Hello,

 

One idea. Put a key to summon the owner near you. Many times, the follower are in some place, and cant follow me.

 

Another thing, is put a key to disable activities of submissive lola.

 

This ideas, are because I have so many itens in MCM menu, and need to roll many times before get submissive lola menu.

 

 

 

Thanks.

[Bratty Cheeks - RMCW]

Thanks - OK, makes sense. I have had it on "always" so I haven't really been getting the eye candy event.

 

4 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I'm working on an optional feature to have to ask to wear clothes again when the eye candy period expires, so it could last even longer if you choose. 

This will suit me better I think. I'll just set the permanent nudity rule to home as you suggested, and maybe inns.

 

Couple of minor points / suggestions

1. Noticed there is no fail for talking to your owner while gagged. It would be cool if owner sometimes responded differently to the "But it's really important" line to tell you something different and punish. Just an idea though.
    
2. With the confessions quest, I like how varied it is in the most part however the final part of the quest (speaking to owner after speaking to the 2 NPC) owner will always say the same line, another line here for variability would be nice too.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Moacir Jr said:

Put a key to summon the owner near you.

That's convenient, but it's a better fit for a follower framework.  NFF lets me hotkey teleporting followers, and I assume that the others do too.

1 hour ago, Moacir Jr said:

put a key to disable activities of submissive lola.

Suspending events is really not intended to be done often.  It's disruptive to the mod.  It resets some variables and can interfere with some of its features working.  That function is there if you really need it (such as when imprisoned or doing a quest where this would make that impossible), but if you're having to use it frequently this mod might not a good addition to your game.

[Hex Bolt]

27 minutes ago, RMCW said:

Noticed there is no fail for talking to your owner while gagged.

Yes, I'd noticed that too.  I handled it by excluding many of the things you can ask, if you're gagged.  For example, you can't ask to be released from enslavement while you're being made to wear a gag.

27 minutes ago, RMCW said:

owner will always say the same line, another line here for variability would be nice too.

Oops.  Yes I try to have variety, at least for the success responses.  I will add something else there.  Thank you for pointing this out.

[Bratty Cheeks - RMCW]

@HexBolt8

Had a few dumb questions on mod development if you don't mind, cool if not.

I'm working on my mod but I think I'm missing some tricks, you seem to know quite a bit so...

 

1. Do you use Creation Kit for mod development? I haven't been able to work out how to properly load in Creation Kit. I'm using TES5Edit for ESP and Papyrus Compiler App to compile the scripts, maybe there is a better way of working on ESP and ESM files?
    
2. Any profiler available?
    
3. Any solid reason not to use Mod Organizer 2? I have only ever had trouble with a single mod using it. I can setup sublime text to compile the Papyrus scripts and better highlighting if I get rid of it, but I do like the flexibility of having a dynamic environment with Mod Organizer 2. I suppose I could just use source control instead to track my files.. 
    
4. Any other relevant tools I may not be aware of?

[Moacir Jr]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

That's convenient, but it's a better fit for a follower framework.  NFF lets me hotkey teleporting followers, and I assume that the others do too.

Suspending events is really not intended to be done often.  It's disruptive to the mod.  It resets some variables and can interfere with some of its features working.  That function is there if you really need it (such as when imprisoned or doing a quest that excludes followers), but if you're having to use it frequently this mod might not a good addition to your game.

No.. its only for convenience, when i need to do a dungeon, or a quest more complicated, i need to disable this... its ok... forgot this ideas...  thanks

[Hex Bolt]

@RMCW, a lot is personal preference.  I do almost all my work in TES5Edit (it's worth giving Elminster a donation if you use the tool a lot).  I mainly use the CK for placing objects, searching for text, or checking for dialog errors that TES5Edit doesn't catch.  I believe that most people use the CK though.  I don't have anything against the CK, other than sometimes it has mangled dialog for some mod developers and cost them a lot of time.  The UI can be nice, and it's easy to copy conditions.  But TES5Edit lets me see exactly what I have in the mod, and it's easy to reuse scripts between different dialog lines.  Sometimes I open a mod and see a bunch of dirty edits and unintended changes, which would have been obvious if the author had opened the mod in TES5Edit just once.  I can't comment on mod organizers.  I do all manual mod installations, and I track mod files with a unique substring (all script files for this mod contain "vkj").  I just compile scripts at the command line.  My tools are Notepad++ for script writing, NifSkope for meshes, and Gimp 2 for textures, just basic stuff.

[Bratty Cheeks - RMCW]

@HexBolt8 Thanks! Good to know. I'll stick to what I am using then while I can't even get CK to work properly, it's a bit slow but precise. 

 

I'm spoiled from game engines and C++.

 

I found a profiler (of sorts) Papyrus Profiling Parser guess not many people have seen this yet - it's pretty new, you may also find it useful.

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

I just compile scripts at the command line.  My tools are Notepad++ for script writing, NifSkope for meshes, and Gimp 2 for textures, just basic stuff.

I also use all those tools. I also recommend Visual Studio Code, which is an outstanding editor and has Papyrus syntax coloring support.

 

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

I do almost all my work in TES5Edit

Me too. xEdit is great. I typically only use CK for facegen export, but I'm not a real mod author yet.

[Hex Bolt]

@Herowynne, thanks!  I just downloaded Visual Studio Code.  Notepad++ is okay but fairly limited.  I'll look at the new tool when I get a chance.  I think I'll like it.

[Hex Bolt]

Okay, the new changes are in the development version, and I've added the option to have to ask to dress again if you get the Eye Candy effect.  This should be fun.  But I still have to test the changes and I'm sleepy.  I should have an update ready tomorrow.

[CaptainJ03]

7 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

7 hours ago, Moacir Jr said:

Put a key to summon the owner near you.

That's convenient, but it's a better fit for a follower framework.  NFF lets me hotkey teleporting followers, and I assume that the others do too.

EFF has this too - but! - I've been sold via SS++ to my Mistress, so she isn't my follower. Yes, she follows me around as if she were and I have the vanilla follower lines - but as she's not registered in the EFF framework, my options to interact with her are limited.

I find this a bit annoying, but it adds to the roleplaying experience - who am I to summon Mistress to some dirty dungeon? Better run and check if she's well!

[CaptainJ03]

Sooo, I've been play-testing a bit more and found quite a few issues.

 

Kneeling. Mistress tells me: "I like seeing you on your knees, but you haven't been doing it enough. Have you forgotten your duty to serve me? Kneel down!"
So I am kneeling at her feet - but for how long? First time I tried to find out by talking to her - which got me back on my feet. Second time darn Pony Boots kicked in and I 'tripped over my heels' while kneeling down. As if.
Obviously I didn't kneel long enough, because the I got whipped. Hard.
How long would have been the right time?

 

In Confessions of a Slave I still get only five options to tell, not six.

Had the issue that one of the persons I should confess to went in her house - unlocking the door and trespassing left me without any useful dialogue.
A Guard came in, I had to pay a fine of 5 gold - but then I got zapped. A message popped up in the upper left corner "You have something to confess, haven't you" - but I could not find anything in Mistess' dialogue to confess to her. If there's a time limit on "Pimp my Adventurer" that might have kicked in too. I got zapped to near death, I didn't die, but it didn't stop either, so I had to reload an older save.
Any idea what triggered here?

 

In "I am famous" I should be able to show two people what a slut I am, there are two questmarkers - but the second person has no dialogue. Always the second without, so I have to go to the first. He even remembered that I serviced him before.

 

Whiterun Walk only triggerd when leaving a house in Whiterun, not on entering the city (same as in Solitude)

 

And something different: There are some mods that enforce nudity in town: Lola, DFC and DCurL when you have a dominant follower like Sasha. But it seems to me, that every mod has its own ideas about where a town starts and where it ends? Are there no town borders in Vanilla Skyrim?

 

[donttouchmethere]

SLtR 1.0 + Submissive Lola Resubmission Patch - 8 Sept 2020.7z

Not sure with this one, because I never had that quest yet:

It's the "Humiliation is an important part of a slave's training" quest.

Quest targets are:

Savlian Shoal

Geraldine Shoal

 

The quest dialogue showed up with Savlian, but didn't show up for Geraldine.

I couldn't finish the quest, but it seems to be stuck anyways, because Mistress didn't react on the failed quest (quest also vanished from the journal after serving Savlian, but Geraldine didn't had a dialogue option before I talked to Savlian).

Spoiler

OH-OH!

 

Savlian Shoal get's shiny boots by Lola, after all that dirty work on the field they urgently needed an intense cleaning.

 

Geraldine Shoal refuses to cooperate and doesn't have any SLtR dialogue option.

 

Asking the Mistress to reconsider didn't work as planed ?

(wanted to check if the quest is still running)

 

I think that SLtR NPC enjoys it a little too much ?

(a spank via STA ends her pose tho ^^)

 

Judging from Geralinde's smirking face she did it on purpose ?

(look at those hands O.O, field work must have trained them over the years, or too much STA ^^)

 

Unless I misread the quest and serving one NPC was enough already ?

[darktej]

@HexBolt8 I may have run into a few bugs. 

 

1. in the quest "I am famous"...sometimes the NPC will not have the quest relevant dialogue. I have seen this more common in NPCs who I would have already spoken to. and sometimes just like @CaptainJ03 mentioned...certain NPCs will not have the dialogue available even the 1st time.

 

2. when dancing for the owner...when my PC has a high enough Submission score...I get the option to strip naked ..my PC strips and doesn't dance when I choose this...eventhough the normal dialogue works.

 

3. in the "Light's Out" quest when the piercings are activated or when a struggle animation for the blindfold plays...my PC loses all control for movement. I have to `enableplayecontrols´ in the console to regain control. I think this is more related to zaz than this mod. but just wanted to let you know.

 

thanks again.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Kneeling. Mistress tells me: "I like seeing you on your knees, but you haven't been doing it enough. Have you forgotten your duty to serve me? Kneel down!"

It's not the amount of time you kneel.  You're getting chewed out for failing to offer service enough times during the previous day, after which you get a punishment whipping.

4 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

In Confessions of a Slave I still get only five options to tell, not six.

It's always 6.  If you have a specific example I can look at it, but it's always been 6 in my testing.

4 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Had the issue that one of the persons I should confess to went in her house - unlocking the door and trespassing left me without any useful dialogue.
A Guard came in, I had to pay a fine of 5 gold - but then I got zapped. A message popped up in the upper left corner "You have something to confess, haven't you" - but I could not find anything in Mistess' dialogue to confess to her. If there's a time limit on "Pimp my Adventurer" that might have kicked in too. I got zapped to near death, I didn't die, but it didn't stop either, so I had to reload an older save.
Any idea what triggered here?

NPCs making themselves unavailable is a hazard.  You can say both confessions to the other NPC for a reduced score and still succeed.  I highly recommend Simply Knock to avoid trespass problems.  "You have something to confess" means you exceeded the time limit.  You confess to the target NPCs, not your owner.  I will add an "I give up" dialog with your owner so you can simply fail the quest if you find it impossible to complete, or maybe just have it terminate with score loss after a few zaps.

4 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

In "I am famous" I should be able to show two people what a slut I am, there are two questmarkers - but the second person has no dialogue.

That's a bug.  I'll fix it.

4 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

Unless I misread the quest and serving one NPC was enough already

Serving one is enough.  I recently added a second choice, in case the first NPC won't talk to you.

2 hours ago, darktej said:

my PC strips and doesn't dance when I choose this...eventhough the normal dialogue works.

That's a timing problem.  If the stripping takes too long (older PC?), the dance animation doesn't start.  You do still get credit for dancing, though.  I will look at this again.

2 hours ago, darktej said:

when the piercings are activated or when a struggle animation for the blindfold plays...my PC loses all control for movement.

You do lose control during struggle and vibration events.  That's Zaz or DD.  Vibration events can take a while to finish.  Control should always return, but that's outside of this mod. 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

3 hours ago, darktej said:

my PC strips and doesn't dance when I choose this...eventhough the normal dialogue works.

That's a timing problem.  If the stripping takes too long (older PC?), the dance animation doesn't start.  You do still get credit for dancing, though.  I will look at this again.

It turns out that the delay I had in there wasn't needed.  Dancing should start after the stripping.  However, I've noticed that if I'm impatient and click to end the dialog, if I do that too soon it can interrupt the stripping (and sometimes trigger the walkaway topic and its punishment).  Try waiting to let the owner finish saying that last line.  It's short anyway.

[darktej]

49 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

It turns out that the delay I had in there wasn't needed.  Dancing should start after the stripping.  However, I've noticed that if I'm impatient and click to end the dialog, if I do that too soon it can interrupt the stripping (and sometimes trigger the walkaway topic and its punishment).  Try waiting to let the owner finish saying that last line.  It's short anyway.

like when my PC is naked and chooses that option she starts dancing. I have not skipped it. I listen to the whole thing. or rather see the whole thing lol. I will see again.

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's not the amount of time you kneel.  You're getting chewed out for failing to offer service enough times during the previous day, after which you get a punishment whipping.

Oh, good to know. This was the first time it happened to me - I've now added some random services, so that it might occur more often. I kinda like being whipped by Mistress - and had to set that whipping timer waaay up.

BTW - the whipmarks are gone way too fast, I think the Merta Black Rose Armor did something to that. Any idea where to set it to longer duration? Some ini-file?

 

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

It's always 6.  If you have a specific example I can look at it, but it's always been 6 in my testing.

For me it's always five, never had six answers available in that quest.

 

Thanks for the link to Simply Knock, I'll give it a trial.

[swords and sandals]

55 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

BTW - the whipmarks are gone way too fast, I think the Merta Black Rose Armor did something to that. Any idea where to set it to longer duration? Some ini-file?

 

This is from the original Prison Overhaul mod page:

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If you want to make the whip marks last longer, you can tweak this in skyrim.ini. Under the section [display] add the following:

 

fDecalLifetime=300.0

 

 

You can play around with different values until you get a duration you're happy with - although I think it does also apply to blood from combat.

 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, CaptainJ03 said:

the whipmarks are gone way too fast, I think the Merta Black Rose Armor did something to that. Any idea where to set it to longer duration? Some ini-file?

Armor shouldn't affect it.  In the Skyrim.ini file, under [Display] I increased fDecalLifetime, up from the default 30.  That affects everything including blood splatter, but to me it's worth it for whip marks to last longer.

1 hour ago, CaptainJ03 said:

For me it's always five, never had six answers available in that quest.

It must be some problem with dialog scrolling.  It really is 6.  I don't know why you can't see all of them.  You could give this mod a try.  I mainly use it for dialog highlighting but it might help with your sixth answer not showing.