Sexlab Survival

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, 814661 said:

What about being able to disable licenses just in some specific holds? For example being able to choose say Hjaalmarch doesnt require any licences because theyre less strict there but the other holds do without having to disable the entire license system and lose all licenses in the process?

I don't know. I mean, what does it actually add? 

 

I'm getting cold sweats thinking about the back end coding and dialogue conditions. Let's just take the front end for a second. Mcm options. 9 licence types. 9 holds. One toggle for each = 81 toggles in an Mcm script that ran out of variable space many version ago. You'll get blisters toggling all those. Not to talk about my poor hands.

Edited June 27, 2021 by Monoman1

[Herowynne]

On 6/25/2021 at 5:44 PM, Monoman1 said:

Stand outside in a violating location past curfew. 

 

Do 'sqv     _SLS_CurfewGuardAliases'

Quest should be running. At least some of the aliases should be filled with guards. 

 

Main FG condition is global: _SLS_CurfewViolation == 1

Other conditions are subject and player not:

In SexlabAnimatingFaction

not in combat

dhlp_Suspend is not active.

Player is not AI driven. 

Distance and LOS. 

 

How do I check dhlp_Suspend ?

 

Here is a screenshot showing the result of sqv _SLS_CurfewGuardAliases. It looks okay to my noobish eye.

 

I was standing in the Gildergreen area of Whiterun at around 11 PM after the "Curfew" notification. The place was swarming with guards who were not enforcing curfew.

 

Spoiler

 

 

I have a couple of other games in progress in which curfew is working as expected.

 

It is only in this one game that curfew is not being enforced. I keep all my saves, so I know exactly when curfew stopped being enforced.

 

Curfew stopped being enforced after I got a Devious Follower, who was forced on me by DFC's "Forced Start" because I had low willpower and was wearing an SLS cursed magic collar.

 

The exact same scenario occurred in another game (in Solitude) and curfew is being enforced in that game. So it is not a universal problem with DFC's Forced Start.

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Herowynne

[valeforgery]

55 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I don't know. I mean, what does it actually add? 

 

I'm getting cold sweats thinking about the back end coding and dialogue conditions. Let's just take the front end for a second. Mcm options. 9 licence types. 9 holds. One toggle for each = 81 toggles in an Mcm script that ran out of variable space many version ago. You'll get blisters toggling all those. Not to talk about my poor hands.

Just on the MCM thing - I know of a couple of mods with a large number of MCM options that ended up splitting the MCM into multiple separate entries, so that you have Mod Name Settings 1 and then Mod Name Settings 2 in the list of all the mods to configure. I don't know whether that's feasible or not for SL Survival, or if it would actually help with the issue you're having, but since it sounds like you still have a large number of new features that you want to add (like the wildling stuff), that might be something to take a look at if you haven't already.

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

How do I check dhlp_Suspend ?

Check SLSs own suspend variable. It's supposed to mirror the event state. 

help   _SLS_dhlpSuspend

Also check the violation variable in this fashion

 

Alias quest looks ok. So it's some condition probably. 

8 minutes ago, valeforgery said:

I know of a couple of mods with a large number of MCM options that ended up splitting the MCM into multiple separate entries

Oh I'm pretty sure I can add toggles until my fingers bleed. Like I said the mcm went over capacity a good while ago now and I've still been adding stuff in my own way. My point really was would you really want 81 toggles... Who'd use them. The effort to pay off ratio just isn't there IMO. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Monoman1

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Check SLSs own suspend variable. It's supposed to mirror the event state. 

help   _SLS_dhlpSuspend

Also check the violation variable in this fashion

 

Alias quest looks ok. So it's some condition probably. 

 

Here is a screenshot. _SLS_dhlpSuspend was 1. All the other global variables had expected values.

 

Spoiler

 

 

As soon as I set _SLS_dhlpSuspend to 0 then the guard immediately enforced curfew.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Thanks for your help @Monoman1 ! ? My problem is fixed. I really appreciate it! ❤️

[zelurker]

About the licenses and some realism, you might want that some holds decide not to enforce some licenses :

 - like winterhold for the magic license because it would prevent the mages from coming to town !

 - and some others could decide not to enforce the armors one for blacksmiths (whiterun probably), because considering the price of these licenses and the fact that they also forbid trade, blacksmiths would be ruined in holds which enforce both armors and weapons (they would have only the jarls and high rank officers as clients !). Actually such a setup would push blacksmiths to leave the big towns just to survive !

 - Also the magic license is overpowered with its anti magic collar. I understand the idea to prevent spell casting in town to avoid unwanted accidents, but here the problem is that the collar can't be removed unless you find some dd keys which is quite hard. It was the basic equipment for slaves in morrowind, and you don't want to enslave your population here. You would need at least a way to remove the collar for free when leaving town to balance that.

[blarghxxx]

In my current playthrough I don't get devices equipped when the pickpocket fail handler picks that outcome (rape and stealing my stuff work fine). excerpt from the log at that time:

[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] Error: Property PpFailDevices not found on sls_mcm. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[topic info 27057C32 on quest _SLS_PickPocketFailFgQuest (27057C25)].TIF__04057C32.Fragment_0() - "TIF__04057C32.psc" Line 9
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp1"
stack:
	[topic info 27057C32 on quest _SLS_PickPocketFailFgQuest (27057C25)].TIF__04057C32.Fragment_0() - "TIF__04057C32.psc" Line 9
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] SLS_: GetNumFreeSlots: Freeslots: 3
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] SLS_: EquipRandomDds: Free slots: 3
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:42PM] [SGO] UpdateLoop:Begin

 

[BYJE137]

An idea I had which I *assume* might be less work than city-specific licenses with all that branching: A new license type for alchemy. If you don't have a license they'll take your potions (and ingredients? ..maybe make this one optional.. ?). Maybe couple the license with enchantments as well (soul gems are not allowed without a license - I don't often play as an enchanter but I *think* soul gems are not categorized as magic items; if they are this one is already covered).

 

From a city management perspective these things are not uncommon mechanisms for generating gold, and so they should be taxed, ...right? The guys making clothes and weapons are regulated, but not the people making lethal poisons..?

 

I'm currently playing with mods making alchemy less financially attractive (lower prices for potions), but even so I still often find myself naturally drawn towards this source of income simply because it's free money because it's not covered by licenses.

Edited June 27, 2021 by BYJE137

[BYJE137]

1 hour ago, blarghxxx said:

In my current playthrough I don't get devices equipped when the pickpocket fail handler picks that outcome (rape and stealing my stuff work fine). excerpt from the log at that time:

[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] Error: Property PpFailDevices not found on sls_mcm. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[topic info 27057C32 on quest _SLS_PickPocketFailFgQuest (27057C25)].TIF__04057C32.Fragment_0() - "TIF__04057C32.psc" Line 9
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp1"
stack:
	[topic info 27057C32 on quest _SLS_PickPocketFailFgQuest (27057C25)].TIF__04057C32.Fragment_0() - "TIF__04057C32.psc" Line 9
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] SLS_: GetNumFreeSlots: Freeslots: 3
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:36PM] SLS_: EquipRandomDds: Free slots: 3
[06/27/2021 - 12:20:42PM] [SGO] UpdateLoop:Begin

 

I seem to recall Monoman mentioning that he probably broke that functionality at some point during an update, meaning that it no longer works. I think he's aware of the problem and that it's not just you (it also doesn't work for me).

[Anunya]

3 hours ago, BYJE137 said:

An idea I had which I *assume* might be less work than city-specific licenses with all that branching: A new license type for alchemy. If you don't have a license they'll take your potions (and ingredients? ..maybe make this one optional.. ?). Maybe couple the license with enchantments as well (soul gems are not allowed without a license - I don't often play as an enchanter but I *think* soul gems are not categorized as magic items; if they are this one is already covered).

 

That's a good suggestion IMO, as alchemy is an easy way to make money. Why sell your body when you can pick flowers?

[Bane Master]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

IMO, as alchemy is an easy way to make money. Why sell your body when you can pick flowers?

Give the Ingredients and Alchemy addons in FMEA a try and see if you still think it is easy ?

[Anunya]

44 minutes ago, Bane Master said:

Give the Ingredients and Alchemy addons in FMEA a try and see if you still think it is easy ?

 

Thanks for the suggestion... I'll see if there's an SE version around somewhere

 

EDIT: it looks like the LE version works on SE.

Edited June 27, 2021 by Anunya

[Black714]

On 6/25/2021 at 3:17 AM, Fulanoo said:

How about separate licenses for different hold allegiances (imperial/stormcloak)? It might be interesting, but maybe too much work?

I Suggest A Different Way...
That Because We Already Know, Usually I Will Avoid That City (That We Haven't A License Yet).
Or If We Caught Sometimes Just Use Ultimate Button (Quick Load).
I Think Better To Added Some Enforcer Patrol Outside The City, Like On The Road, or Some Enforcer Will Encounter The Player Randomly.

Ah Can't Wait For Freedom License Anyway. "Control Woman During Adventure Time".
Because I Rarely Come To The City To Avoid "Tax/License" Except For Trade. <-- Because We Already Predicted ?

Edited June 28, 2021 by Black714

[MsElossa]

I am honestly disappointed. I would like to really try out this mod but my game crashes when I launch skyrim. I dont know if its because this mod file is so big or what. I have less than a 100 mods when I try to launch skyrim with this mod and it still crashes. FINS works fine and Ive played skyrim with no problem with over 200 mods before and Im really at my wits end. I would like any help I can get in how I can play this mod because it sounds like a perfect addition to my survival runs.

[Corsayr]

On the subject of Licenses being hold specific, I feel like some survivalists might have missed MM1s subtle "This is a lot of extra work for me, and it will be an annoyance to most users (including and especially me)" statement that he inserted between the lines. ?

 

 

[Corsayr]

5 minutes ago, MsElossa said:

I am honestly disappointed. I would like to really try out this mod but my game crashes when I launch skyrim. I dont know if its because this mod file is so big or what. I have less than a 100 mods when I try to launch skyrim with this mod and it still crashes. FINS works fine and Ive played skyrim with no problem with over 200 mods before and Im really at my wits end. I would like any help I can get in how I can play this mod because it sounds like a perfect addition to my survival runs.

 

You should probably start a post in technical support. 

 

include a Load order (the order in which your plugins are arranged, this can be exported in LOOT)

a Mod list (A list of all installed mods this can be easily exported if you have Mod Organizer 2) 

 

Crashing at launch is almost always a missing master so that is what you will probably be told right away, so check that first of course. ?

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Corsayr

[Herowynne]

13 minutes ago, Corsayr said:

survivalists

 

I like this name to describe fans of Sexlab Survival. ?

[Lupine00]

15 hours ago, Corsayr said:

On the subject of Licenses being hold specific, I feel like some survivalists might have missed MM1s subtle "This is a lot of extra work for me, and it will be an annoyance to most users (including and especially me)" statement that he inserted between the lines. ?

MM has been saying no to hold-specific licenses for a long time.

SL Adventures has all that hold-specific stuff, so people expected SLS to go further.

 

For me, not being hold specific is tolerable, but for the clothes license, less so.

Clothes license has never been useful to me because it's not per hold.

 

Also, the ability to have magic-licenses have a special 'rebel cities only' mode, would be nice.

[MsElossa]

20 hours ago, Corsayr said:

 

You should probably start a post in technical support. 

 

include a Load order (the order in which your plugins are arranged, this can be exported in LOOT)

a Mod list (A list of all installed mods this can be easily exported if you have Mod Organizer 2) 

 

Crashing at launch is almost always a missing master so that is what you will probably be told right away, so check that first of course. ?

 

Alright so how do I get to technical support for I thought this was it. I use vortex. never really used LOOT and vortex usually tells when your missing something for a mod. Just to be on the safe side are there any hard and soft requirements that are not listed in the description? Besides the main reqs for most mods the only one I seen was Simply Knock. Thanks for the help and Ill try to find the TS some more.

[Monoman1]

13 minutes ago, MsElossa said:

Alright so how do I get to technical support for I thought this was it. I use vortex. never really used LOOT and vortex usually tells when your missing something for a mod. Just to be on the safe side are there any hard and soft requirements that are not listed in the description? Besides the main reqs for most mods the only one I seen was Simply Knock. Thanks for the help and Ill try to find the TS some more.

You need to sort your load order. This isn't a 'ah sure it'll probably be fine' kind of thing. I doubt vortex gives a hoot what way mods are loaded except for hard requirements being actually loaded but skyrim just won't load if a hard requirement is not loaded anyway. But if mods are loaded out of order it can cause all kinds of weirdness. LOOT isn't perfect but it's at least something. 

 

AFAIR the SE version of SK needs a third party SKSE plugin fix. Did you install that?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24297

 

Also make sure that papyrus util standalone is installed. And that it absolutely always overwrites every other mod. Always.

[MsElossa]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

You need to sort your load order. This isn't a 'ah sure it'll probably be fine' kind of thing. I doubt vortex gives a hoot what way mods are loaded except for hard requirements being actually loaded but skyrim just won't load if a hard requirement is not loaded anyway. But if mods are loaded out of order it can cause all kinds of weirdness. LOOT isn't perfect but it's at least something. 

 

AFAIR the SE version of SK needs a third party SKSE plugin fix. Did you install that?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24297

 

Also make sure that papyrus util standalone is installed. And that it absolutely always overwrites every other mod. Always.

Well that worked. I thought I had that Simply Knock plugin for I remember finding it in other posts didn't realize I didn't download it. Vortex does let you pick the load order and I was pretty sure that wasn't the problem. I just tried it and it didn't crash. Surprising how much a small mod can effect it. So thank you and now I'm going to go and try out this mod finally.

[Yuni]

Why is the 0.662 Beta only in the comments? I only found it because I noticed my Special Edition version number was different than the Legendary Edition version nunmber.

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, Yuni said:

Why is the 0.662 Beta only in the comments? I only found it because I noticed my Special Edition version number was different than the Legendary Edition version nunmber.

Because it's a beta.

[vyseari]

Been playing this for a couple of days, and have been really enjoying it, it's a shame I didn't try it earlier. It has been a real blast. Some things I have noticed

First the biggest one for me was already answered, but just thought I'd mention it for completeness. And this there isn't anything fundamentally different between Whore and Curfew licenses, so a +1 for more dealing with these 2 would definitely make for a more interesting time when you have the Whore license. And this leads into my next observation.

And that is guards just seem to know when you have a license and just stop bothering you about it. I would really like to see more excuses for them to stop you for "random" inspections, either just to degrade the pc by confirming the name on their license, which I really love when you have to do it when moving to the main gate, but only if you are basically breaking a license rule. I think it should be more common an occurrence.

Which leads me into an idea, which is something already done in slaverun iirc, which is actually making the PC change their name. What I imagine happens is the PC goes to buy their license and the quartermaster does his thing, and when he finally gives you wan and you have already paid, he says something like "Okay I've got a License here for Fuck Toy, is that you?" To which the PC can protest and say no, and the quartermaster says okay well it'll cost you another license fee to draw up another contract, so you'd need to pay twice, and yes probably get another name, repeat until the PC caves and accepts her new name and actually changing it, or gives up. Would be neat if she also had to take a letter to the Jarl or steward to officially change it which could lead to some other activities, such as paying a fee for that as well, or offering services like a toll. The quartermaster doesn't always need to change her name if it's already lewd, but he can if he wants to. If she changes her name her other licenses can become invalid, which he won't tell her until she gets stopped by a random inspection, and either normal penalties apply or more extortion for toll activities, those toll guards can't be the only one to have fun ya know.

Then the last thing I think would be a good addition and am surprised it's not already a thing, but adding begging for cum to eat to stave off her cum addiction. Right now we can beg for just about anything for addictions but not that. Sure you can use TDF prostitution to force blowjobs, but she really should be worried about getting money in addition to feeding her addiction you know. She should be happy to just suck some dick and get fed, not paid.

Anyway, great mod. Love it and keep up the good work. Modders make this game so much better. 

Edit: Damn I got so into my idea, that forgot to mention I don't think the experience for Bikini Armor is working properly as far as armor value's go, at level 0 a pair of skyforge steel boots gave 17 armor, and at level 3 Bikini experience it says it should be 60% less but it's still 17. And it also seems the armor value isn't going up either. It is possible I messed something up, but I do not think so.

Edit 2: Also does having a existing body tattoo disable the body overlay of the bikini curse? Since I had one when I got the license and i don't think it applied. The magic one applies fine though.

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by vyseari

[Lute]

On 6/27/2021 at 7:47 AM, BYJE137 said:

An idea I had which I *assume* might be less work than city-specific licenses with all that branching: A new license type for alchemy. If you don't have a license they'll take your potions (and ingredients? ..maybe make this one optional.. ?). Maybe couple the license with enchantments as well (soul gems are not allowed without a license - I don't often play as an enchanter but I *think* soul gems are not categorized as magic items; if they are this one is already covered).

 

From a city management perspective these things are not uncommon mechanisms for generating gold, and so they should be taxed, ...right? The guys making clothes and weapons are regulated, but not the people making lethal poisons..?

 

I'm currently playing with mods making alchemy less financially attractive (lower prices for potions), but even so I still often find myself naturally drawn towards this source of income simply because it's free money because it's not covered by licenses.

 

An alchemy license seems pretty specific and niche, imo. Instead, why not take it a step further to its logical conclusion to some sort of trading/money license? Like... you're not allowed to trade or even carry money at all without said license... which you can only get if you perform... certain favors, perhaps. Suppose it'd be a gate to the other licenses, too, because, well, no money.