framework Advanced Animation Framework

[Tentacus]

21 hours ago, lee3310 said:

Yeah it's definitely that because i let myself get abducted in CSA and forced the PC to be dominant via MCM menu and every single strap-on animation worked flawlessly ground and furniture (minor some male moans of course ?).

So the question now: How can i fix them myself ? should i go back to Tentacus ?

and are you using this mod right now with the new SC animation pack ? 

 

Try this: _T_SC_positionData.xml

[dagobaking]

On 3/21/2022 at 11:39 AM, hitlarotta said:

Thank you for making me register on your pointless site to get a link to the download.

 

I am eagerly awaiting the release of your free work. I'm sure you will host in a very convenient place!

[sen4mi]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:53 PM, vaultbait said:

 

Lovers Lab requires registration to download mods hosted on it, and so does Nexus. What makes Moddingham pointless, unless you don't want to download the mods hosted on it?

 

That would probably be the lack of other content.

 

When you register on nexus, or here, there's quite a bit of content which becomes available to you. So, the overhead of registering is (for many people) not very much for any single download.

 

And it used to be that you could download quite a bit of content from nexus without creating an account (originally, they had a file size limit, and you only needed an account to download large files).

 

(Hypothetically speaking we should be able to download non-adult content from here, without registering for an account. But the concept of "adult content" is slippery and difficult to treat sanely.)

[dagobaking]

2 hours ago, sen4mi said:

That would probably be the lack of other content.

 

So the problem is that I need to up my game in quantity of free products.

 

Will get right on that!

 

(I'm also going to pass this on to my bank to let them know that logging in once there should give people access to at least 20 different banks.)

Edited March 24, 2022 by dagobaking

[RitualClarity]

 

On 3/23/2022 at 8:03 PM, dagobaking said:

 

So the problem is that I need to up my game in quantity of free products.

 

Will get right on that!

 

(I'm also going to pass this on to my bank to let them know that logging in once there should give people access to at least 20 different banks.)

@sen4miI wonder if you decided to go to Nexus and complain about how they treated their people in the attempt to take ownership of the mods that were on their site?  Did you complain?  Point them out? Keep on it (until you got banned? because we all know if they don't like what you say that is the knee jerk response they have) 

 

Many people have moved their mods to other locations due to how Nexus was being an asshat.  Not because they wanted to but because they needed to if they wanted to have any say over their work and effort. It is unfortunate that people needed to move their mods but, I can 100% understand why they would want to, just as I can 100% understand why some stayed with Nexus.

 

It just so happened that @dagobaking decided to create a web site to make sure that this didn't happen. He paid money to provide something for free to all that use his mod and the other mods that the authors decided to place on the site. Sure there are other sites that he could have went to with more content but there was no way to be sure that something else bad would happen. Creating his own, meant that he was sure it wouldn't.

 

Complaining about this is tad amount to blaming the victim for the crime. 

 

[RitualClarity]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:03 PM, hitlarotta said:

Yes, he hosts his mod here, and inconveniences everyone, having to sign up to his forum, to then never log into it again. Just like vectorplexus.

Last time i signed up to a mod side with my burner email, i got bombarbed with ads due to their shit security, providing further annoyance to this annoying behavior.

I signed up and others have. No "bombarding" of ads and such for me or them.  Might be that you have shitty security which is causing the problem. 

 

I have the solution.. he removes the mod from this site. Support for the mod for adult mods and such from this site as well. Then you can have a great time trying to find the .. 1. adult mods. 2. the support for the adult mods 3. the actual adult mods.  and finally 4. AAF itself.  That would be so much better than having a simple link to a download.

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by RitualClarity

[sen4mi]

On 3/23/2022 at 9:03 PM, dagobaking said:

 

So the problem is that I need to up my game in quantity of free products.

 

Will get right on that!

 

(I'm also going to pass this on to my bank to let them know that logging in once there should give people access to at least 20 different banks.)

 

You have every right to distribute your stuff however you feel. People have built stuff and then utterly refused to distribute it, for example.

 

But VaultBait had asked a question, and I saw that no one had answered it.

[dagobaking]

5 minutes ago, sen4mi said:

You have every right to distribute your stuff however you feel. People have built stuff and then utterly refused to distribute it, for example.

 

But VaultBait had asked a question, and I saw that no one had answered it.

 

Fair enough.

 

But supposing that is the best explanation for the complainers position I think it is still ethically deficient.

Edited March 26, 2022 by dagobaking

[RitualClarity]

50 minutes ago, sen4mi said:

 

You have every right to distribute your stuff however you feel. People have built stuff and then utterly refused to distribute it, for example.

 

 

Others in the past has created content and distributed it.  When people started complaining more than those needing support and thanking the author... the author then removed the mod all together from access. Meaning that nobody had the mod. Sure it can suck to have to go to another site, I get it, however, it is what it is.  Arguing about it isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

 

 

[dagobaking]

3 hours ago, Red One said:

Imagine complaining about having to log in to a site like this in 2022. Also if you are "bombarbed with ads" on any site you are a retard. 

 

I appreciate the defense and sentiment, genuinely. But, I wish you wouldn't use the r word like this...

[GrimPixel]

21 hours ago, Red One said:

Imagine complaining about having to log in to a site like this in 2022. Also if you are "bombarbed with ads" on any site you are a retard. 

 

People say that nowadays the privacy is not valued by too many people. They don't care about terms of services and privacy policies, they don't hesitate on giving out their personal information. They are transparent, without knowing what prices they are paying. When the COVID passport came out, they cheered because they thought their freedom is back. They are making things more and more difficult for those who value it.

 

 

A lot of people are providing downloads without registration: Halo’s Mods, crential, Residents of Skyrim, ふぃろん工房, Team TAL, ...

 

Guess what? I don't need to register to watch porn because Ceo is releasing OSex so. Enjoy your development and those who happy with it.

Edited March 29, 2022 by GrimPixel

[dagobaking]

7 hours ago, GrimPixel said:

People say that nowadays the privacy is not valued by too many people. They don't care about terms of services and privacy policies, they don't hesitate on giving out their personal information. They are transparent, without knowing what prices they are paying. When the COVID passport came out, they cheered because they thought their freedom is back. They are making things more and more difficult for those who value it.

 

Now its a privacy issue? What privacy concern is there about registering at moddingham.com? lol

 

7 hours ago, GrimPixel said:

A lot of people are providing downloads without registration: Halo’s Mods, crential, Residents of Skyrim, ふぃろん工房, Team TAL, ...

 

Just looking at the first one on the list, they do not ask for registrations. But, they do have a permissions policy. Unfortunately, since they don't have registrations they have no way to collect anyone's explicit agreement with their policies. Thus, any schmoe can download and use their mods, violate the permissions policy and stand on an "I didn't agree to that" or even "I didn't read that" defense. Given the entire premise for moving my mods in the first place I decided on an arrangement where the terms can actually be enforced.

 

And anyway, hooray for them? Did it ever occur to you that I might have specific reasons for the registration that they do not?

 

7 hours ago, GrimPixel said:

Guess what? I don't need to register to watch porn because Ceo is releasing OSex so. Enjoy your development and those who happy with it.

 

Guess what? There is no porn on moddingham.com anyway!

 

We all register for many, many web sites. But, the one time SOME people choose to go out of their way to lodge a complaint about it is over a site offering free mods?

 

Believe me, I don't want users with such an entitled attitude. I officially fire you as users. Don't use my mod. And please, unless you really do have an ingenious rebuttal for the time-tested idiom "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" I don't need to hear any more tiresome attempts to rationalize your feelings.

 

All I have for such users is here, around 0:39:

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by dagobaking

[JB.]

Uff. I admire your patience. I would have packed a long time ago to see so much crying for a fucking login.

 

Anyways, do you know how I can make a separate XML to lengthen the duration of the Narration? I would like to pack it into my mod and not ask the user to modify this value (AAF_Settings.ini) each by themselves.
 

Quote

narration_duration = 5000 ; The amount of time in milliseconds to show each narration phrase on screen.

 

[ProDerp]

Gonna get hate for this...

I am definitely not a fan of having to go to a different website through the download button, and have to register on a new website just to download a mod that is the base framework for other mods to work, making it one of the most downloaded mods on this forum. Putting an additional wall in front of users is a great way to alienate the people who use it. Yes, you have every right to host your own files on your own website, even if that website is a dead forum that has barely any (if any) traffic. Just know that the end-users won't be very happy about the change.

 

So, here you go. I'll go register on your dead forum and download the AAF updates, but if you expect me to use your website for anything else, then you've gotta offer more than what this forum already does.

[vaultbait]

12 minutes ago, JB. said:

Uff. I admire your patience. I would have packed a long time ago to see so much crying for a fucking login.

 

It's surprising how many people come in here with their first, second or third post to LL just to complain about something. I can't personally imagine complaining about a mod that's made freely available through the hard work of a volunteer, but what's really shocking is that people are okay with this being the first impression they're giving to the community on LL... like they want to be known as entitled brats rather than rational forum participants.

[ProDerp]

7 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

 

It's surprising how many people come in here with their first, second or third post to LL just to complain about something. I can't personally imagine complaining about a mod that's made freely available through the hard work of a volunteer, but what's really shocking is that people are okay with this being the first impression they're giving to the community on LL... like they want to be known as entitled brats rather than rational forum participants.

The biggest issue is that we have to register for 1 file. If the website had other files to offer that LoversLab doesn't already have, or even an active community that isn't already here, then I'm sure no one would complain. 

 

Instead of the supermarket offering my favorite soda, I am now told that if I want that soda I have to go to an old abandoned store down the road, but that store only offers that soda and nothing else.

[vaultbait]

30 minutes ago, ProDerp said:

The biggest issue is that we have to register for 1 file. If the website had other files to offer that LoversLab doesn't already have, or even an active community that isn't already here, then I'm sure no one would complain. 

 

Instead of the supermarket offering my favorite soda, I am now told that if I want that soda I have to go to an old abandoned store down the road, but that store only offers that soda and nothing else.

 

I have also obtained and regularly use AAF_GFV.exe from Moddingham. It's a must-have tool for double-checking your AAF base installation, and is not written by the same author as AAF itself, so... there's at least two things by different people there.

[ProDerp]

1 minute ago, vaultbait said:

 

I have also obtained and regularly use AAF_GFV.exe from Moddingham. It's a must-have tool for double-checking your AAF base installation, and is not written by the same author as AAF itself, so... there's at least two things by different people there.

I really hope that's not like a "Haha! Gotcha! There's actually two files on there!" Otherwise you've misunderstood what I'm trying to say.

[vaultbait]

10 minutes ago, ProDerp said:

I really hope that's not like a "Haha! Gotcha! There's actually two files on there!" Otherwise you've misunderstood what I'm trying to say.

 

No, I understand what you're trying to say, I just don't understand why it's a big deal. All sites have to start out with some content, the idea is for more mod authors to put other ("safe for work") mods there as well. It started with AAF but more are being added, there's at least two there now.

 

For AAF to work you also need F4SE which is distributed from its own site too (albeit without requiring an account to download), and you're obviously downloading mods from here which also require an account (and probably sites like Nexus too? Bethesda? maybe Vectorplexus, Tullius, or the plethora of Discord servers which cropped up in the wake of the Nexodus).

[ProDerp]

And as you said, F4SE does not require a log-in. You go to the page, download, plug-in, and play. That is how it's always been, it has never been available from Nexus, LL, or any other file hosting sites so people expect it to stay that way. (I also haven't heard of and couldn't find Tullius so I'd appreciate a link if you got one.)

 

If Moddingham becomes a decent site to AT LEAST host and share mods then I'll eat my words. But seeing how the forums are more of a Wasteland than the game AAF was made for it's not making me very hopeful. Believe me, I'd absolutely love to have more sites that offer what LL and Nexus does, but there's a reason why they're popular. Their sites are friendly to users and they've been used for years as hosting sites for a large variety of mods, like a supermarket. Changing how users access your mod is obviously going to cause some degree of backlash, which is why it's imperative that you convey that message as to why the change is happening. Putting it on another site and telling others "What's the big deal, it's just another log-in, like you don't already have hundreds of those?" Yeah, I don't like that I have hundreds of those, but I'm fine with it if it's going to be for something I actually like to use (Like LoversLab, Vectorplexus, and many other Discords that have active communities.) Another comparison would be to the ton of streaming services you have to be subscribed to to watch the shows or movies you like.

 

Being a mod author is a lot like running a business, I can kinda assume. You have a product that you create and distribute to others that want that product. And I understand you guys have headaches of dealing with file hosting sites, their rules or lack of in some cases. What's allowed, what's not allowed, who can get away with what and the type of punishments that range from ignoring it to going way over what's necessary. So you've got to make adjustments to keep your product as protected as possible. But you have consumers that use your product, and not many of them are vocal (like me, who's been here for years and barely posted, mostly lurked) some of them slip in to grab a few files, or for an update, or read a random fix from years ago, and then leave until they return a few weeks to repeat the same process. You've gotta understand that those consumers are not very passionate about making extra log-ins for more websites, they're not excited to add another email, username, and password to their growing list, they don't understand or care about the behind-the-scenes of mod creation and sharing. They want your product. They have always gotten your product from a certain place. Now that product is no longer available and they have to go somewhere else to get it. Now there are extra steps to get to that product. Now its new home isn't exactly exciting or even welcoming. Even if the change is beneficial to the overall product and its distribution in the long-run, it still stifles the the reach that it originally had. There will be users of the product that won't seek it out anymore, a calculated loss I'm sure.

 

If you can't understand why some users are not happy about this change, and my examples haven't helped, then I can't help you understand any further. So the only thing I can do now is give some advice. Be patient and understanding to the people who don't like the change. Tell them why it's changed and reassure them that it's beneficial and not a punishment. Give them something that's designed with the consumer in mind. Companies do this all the time: something changes, they explain why, some people believe it, some don't, and some don't care. But to reply to others with their dissatisfaction with condescension, no explanation why, and no reassurance, is a pretty not cool thing to do.

 

I love what you guys do, honestly I do. Because of the modding communities from all over, including Nexus, LL, and many more, I've been able to enjoy my favorite games over a decade after release. I appreciate everything the mod authors provide and the few users I've interacted with here to help me in my own modding. So all I'll ask is if you decide to move your mod somewhere else, make it understandable and clear to the users why, and most of all: make it worth it.

 

(This also turned into a huge rant from a simple quote reply and I apologize)

[dagobaking]

On 3/29/2022 at 3:36 PM, JB. said:

Uff. I admire your patience. I would have packed a long time ago to see so much crying for a fucking login.

 

It's like they have a Jerks Anonymous discord server and are organizing to send someone over here on a scheduled basis lately.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 3:36 PM, JB. said:

Anyways, do you know how I can make a separate XML to lengthen the duration of the Narration? I would like to pack it into my mod and not ask the user to modify this value (AAF_Settings.ini) each by themselves.

 

The instructions for that are kind of buried here: https://bitbucket.org/dagobaking/aaf-framework/wiki/API/AAF_settings.md#!aaf_settingsini

 

You basically make your own ini file with a unique file name. Then add a higher priority number and just the settings you want to enforce.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 3:43 PM, ProDerp said:

Gonna get hate for this...

I am definitely not a fan of having to go to a different website

 

Nobody asked. Just the opposite, I've made it very clear above that I think the attitude you describe is shitty, won't ever affect my decisions in any way and I am not interested in hearing about it.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 3:43 PM, ProDerp said:

Putting an additional wall in front of users is a great way to alienate the people who use it.

 

How much more clear can I be? I already stated that I officially fire users with this attitude. I WANT to alienate you. Stop using my mod.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 3:43 PM, ProDerp said:

So, here you go. I'll go register on your dead forum and download the AAF updates, but if you expect me to use your website for anything else, then you've gotta offer more than what this forum already does.

 

DON'T

LOOK

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HORSE

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MOUTH

 

Heard of it? Read it and think about it.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 4:05 PM, ProDerp said:

The biggest issue is that we have to register for 1 file.

 

Wait. What? You have to register for a file?! Will the struggles never end?!

 

How do you think that effort measures up against the level of effort that went into me making "the file"?

 

On 3/29/2022 at 4:05 PM, ProDerp said:

Instead of the supermarket offering my favorite soda, I am now told that if I want that soda I have to go to an old abandoned store down the road, but that store only offers that soda and nothing else.

 

Earth to ProDerp: The site is different from a supermarket in extremely relevant and substantial ways. To begin with, you PAY MONEY for everything in the supermarket. They make it convenient for you because they want your money.

 

Given that you PAY ME NOTHING, I OWE YOU NOTHING in return. I don't owe you a convenient download experience, a handshake, a smilie. I owe you nothing.

 

If you want to pay me for the time I've spent building AAF, I will go ahead and give you a way to do that. Then after I make sure the payment didn't bounce I will give you your own personal download link where you don't even have to register! Deal?

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

Their sites are friendly to users and they've been used for years as hosting sites for a large variety of mods, like a supermarket.

 

Moddingham.com is friendly to people who aren't entitled meat-heads.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

Changing how users access your mod is obviously going to cause some degree of backlash, which is why it's imperative that you convey that message as to why the change is happening.

 

What makes you think that the reason for the change hasn't been conveyed? It, in fact, has been conveyed many times. But, if people are just being thinking, decent beings it shouldn't need to be explained.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

Being a mod author is a lot like running a business, I can kinda assume.

 

"When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME."

 

As someone who both authors a mod and runs a business I can assure you that the two are not really similar at all. The motivations and expectations for different parties are completely different for the reason I pointed out above: users are not customers and therefore are not entitled to anything that customers interacting with businesses are entitled to.

 

Does that prevent people like you from getting confused and thinking that mod authors have a Walmart Customer Service desk for you to bitch to? Apparently not.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

You have a product that you create and distribute to others that want that product.

 

For free senior.

 

For free.

 

Notice the key act that you omit: the "others" contribute nothing in this relationship. In a business, "the others" contribute the income.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

But you have consumers that use your product, and not many of them are vocal (like me, who's been here for years and barely posted, mostly lurked)

 

Just stop and think about how ridiculous this makes you look.

 

I spent hundreds if not thousands of hours making a mod that people can use for free. And then you decided after years of using free mods that the moment when you need to come down from your royal perch to complain is when you were asked to register on a website. Something that takes 5 minutes at most.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

There will be users of the product that won't seek it out anymore,

 

One can only hope!

 

On 3/29/2022 at 6:02 PM, ProDerp said:

So the only thing I can do now is give some advice.

 

lol

 

Trust. That is the last activity you should be engaging in.

[RitualClarity]

On 3/30/2022 at 10:16 PM, dagobaking said:

If you want to pay me for the time I've spent building AAF, I will go ahead and give you a way to do that. Then after I make sure the payment didn't bounce I will give you your own personal download link where you don't even have to register! Deal?

 

That sounds perfectly fair to me.  Mods take a lot of time and effort for very little return (most of the time nothing but the occasional praise from the users)

 

And that would be the business that is being tossed round. A transaction of equal value for product given. Like a store. 

[RitualClarity]

On 3/29/2022 at 8:02 PM, ProDerp said:

. So all I'll ask is if you decide to move your mod somewhere else, make it understandable and clear to the users why, and most of all: make it worth it.

 

 

He did.  Many times.

 

Short story,

 

Nexus is an ass. Tried to take ownership of mods and restrict authors ability to manage their works. You might have heard of that. Nexus lost many mods due to this.  To make it as simple and blunt as possible he moved it to a location where he would be able to make sure that never happen again.

 

And.. yes, there were great discussions about various alternate sites. He didn't want it on those sites for various reasons. I am a moderator on a site as well. He was welcome but he had his reasons for it not being there either. In the end, the only option that would work for him was his own site.

 

Continued development and access to a framework mod that many authors have worked hard to develop mods around ... instead of closing shop and saying FUCK IT. That is what is making the users go to a separate site worth it. If you can't do that... don't use the mod. Move on.

[sen4mi]

On 3/29/2022 at 6:53 PM, vaultbait said:

 

It's surprising how many people come in here with their first, second or third post to LL just to complain about something. I can't personally imagine complaining about a mod that's made freely available through the hard work of a volunteer, but what's really shocking is that people are okay with this being the first impression they're giving to the community on LL... like they want to be known as entitled brats rather than rational forum participants.

If this mod was hosted at Nexus, or Github, or wherever, would that be a problem? (It might be a problem, but I do not remember any reasons having been put forward to describe problems of that nature.)

 

Conceptually speaking, I admire the use of individual web sites. It's a lot of work to keep a site up. But there's also downsides, and rough edges, and those will provoke comments and/or be ignored and/or become critical.

 

[dagobaking]

7 hours ago, sen4mi said:

If this mod was hosted at Nexus, or Github, or wherever, would that be a problem? (It might be a problem, but I do not remember any reasons having been put forward to describe problems of that nature.)

 

 

It was explained in this thread a long time ago when the change was first made. And then again a couple more times as the issue came up.

 

[There are additional explanations before and after this post. But, this one explains the need for registration specifically: 

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Edited April 1, 2022 by dagobaking