SE Compatibility Tracking (Jul 30)

[tasairis]

• Unknown: ? Dark Souls Weapons
• Ported: ✅ Devious Carriages SE port
• Added: Devious Devices SE → ✅ Devious Devices NG
• Convertible: ? Draenei Race with Hoof Armors ~ by Trykz - DarkLoo had some success at an SE conversion
• Added: FROM THE DEEPS → ✅ From the deeps SE (new version) - previous version "will be deleted soon"
• Ported: ✅ Non SexLab Animation Pack SE Conversion - read the mod description
• Convertible: ? RohZima's Aetherial Animations - these are poser animations
• Unknown: ? Shinshi——LEWD vanilla armor replacer collection(UNP)
• Unknown: ? Warpaints and Tats by SkyrimKnight
• Taken Down: Milk Addict, Sexlab Survival, Monoman's Mod Tweaks, and all other mods by that author

[VeraDra]

51 minutes ago, tasairis said:

The author's account has been deleted. I'd be surprised if they had been banned, so I assume they chose to leave the site.

Looked into it a bit more (thought it was the person who ported them that got booted, but no).

 

Surprised to see CPU delete their account/get it deleted. Still no idea why but I assume they have their reasons, likewise for Monoman (though their account still exists, the files were nuked for whatever reason)

 

(which if they're trying to scrub their previous work, has been shown time and time again to not work at all)

[nomkaz]

All of my conversions of CPUs mods are still up. I have not gotten a take down request from them. Monoman did ask me to take down 2 of my conversions, I asked why about one due to several other mods requiring Spank That Ass as a dependency.  The whole reason I started converting mods to begin with was so they would be useable for SE. 

 

Holy shit, my conversion of Sexlab Survival SE was taken down with no notice whatsoever. No take-down request, nothing.  Is this Lover's Lab Admin policy? Just yank down mods without notifying the uploader? 

Edited October 23, 2023 by nomkaz

[ebbluminous]

21 minutes ago, nomkaz said:

All of my conversions of CPUs mods are still up. I have not gotten a take down request from them. Monoman did ask me to take down 2 of my conversions, I asked why about one due to several other mods requiring Spank That Ass as a dependency.  The whole reason I started converting mods to begin with was so they would be useable for SE. 

 

Holy shit, my conversion of Sexlab Survival SE was taken down with no notice whatsoever. No take-down request, nothing.  Is this Lover's Lab Admin policy? Just yank down mods without notifying the uploader? 

Guess it is

[nomkaz]

15 minutes ago, ebbluminous said:

Guess it is

So now I'm left with my dick swinging in the wind having to deal with angry users wanting to know why I deleted mods, when I had no idea that they were taken down or why. I took down the "Milk mod" and "Spank That Ass" before my account got flagged for something I didn't do.

Edited October 23, 2023 by nomkaz

[inviz.t]

13 minutes ago, nomkaz said:

So now I'm left with my dick swinging in the wind having to deal with angry users wanting to know why I deleted mods, when I had no idea that they were taken down or why. I took down the "Milk mod" and "Spank That Ass" before my account got flagged for something I didn't do.

I wouldn't worry about anything happening to your account, if a mod author asks or reports a reupload of their work they don't want, the mods here remove the files - that doesn't mean you did anything wrong though, they're just respecting the authors wishes. I'm surprised you don't get a notification/message saying why it was removed, the mods shouldn't be doing things in the shadows without explaining why they did something

 

I do wonder why Monoman wants all his work removed though, he was still posting snippets of WIP mods up till a few weeks ago, and offering support only a week or so ago

Edited October 23, 2023 by inviz.t

[ebbluminous]

4 hours ago, inviz.t said:

I wouldn't worry about anything happening to your account, if a mod author asks or reports a reupload of their work they don't want, the mods here remove the files - that doesn't mean you did anything wrong though, they're just respecting the authors wishes. I'm surprised you don't get a notification/message saying why it was removed, the mods shouldn't be doing things in the shadows without explaining why they did something

 

I do wonder why Monoman wants all his work removed though, he was still posting snippets of WIP mods up till a few weeks ago, and offering support only a week or so ago

Yep, it is the mystery of the week

[Trykz]

19 hours ago, tasairis said:

• Convertible: ? Draenei Race with Hoof Armors ~ by Trykz - DarkLoo had some success at an SE conversion

 

Not sure why anyone would want to bother converting this old mod.

I already converted it to SSE and added a second race to it here.

 

The newer SSE mod has far more features as well.

 

Ahh, I see. That conversion attempt was from 2018 ?

[VeraDra]

Did even more digging, and it seems that the mods themselves aren't too sure why they nuked everything, at least publicly.

 

Though, based on how it seems some content that was originally created by them for LE and then converted by someone else, AFAIK with permission to do so, also got nuked, seems to imply either the mods do know more, CPU still has some level of access, or they simply requested everything they ever contributed for, get nuked as well.

[raffles233]

its so cool but i face a problem that soulgem occupy the slot 58. when i play soulgem and TAWOBA REMASTERED together, i cant equip left shoulder armor,how can i dill that

[ebbluminous]

1 hour ago, raffles233 said:

its so cool but i face a problem that soulgem occupy the slot 58. when i play soulgem and TAWOBA REMASTERED together, i cant equip left shoulder armor,how can i dill that

Best to ask on the threads for those mods. This thread is to announce what is compatible or not. If all the questions for all the mods got posted here, it would get swamped.

[In5inite]

Well crap,

 

What's the ethical thing to do? Nuke em locally to respect the mod authors wishes?

 

I mean obviously not reposting them is clear... but just plan old usage if you had them?

 

[nomkaz]

1 hour ago, In5inite said:

Well crap,

 

What's the ethical thing to do? Nuke em locally to respect the mod authors wishes?

 

I mean obviously not reposting them is clear... but just plan old usage if you had them?

 

If you have them, use them. Why delete and not use what you already have?

[ebbluminous]

1 hour ago, nomkaz said:

If you have them, use them. Why delete and not use what you already have?

Not deleting mine

[ShalaxiHelbane]

4 hours ago, In5inite said:

Well crap,

 

What's the ethical thing to do? Nuke em locally to respect the mod authors wishes?

 

I mean obviously not reposting them is clear... but just plan old usage if you had them?

 

When permission was given out for conversions and use in other mods prior to it all being remove what is ethical gets very hazy.

[Herowynne]

5 hours ago, In5inite said:

What's the ethical thing to do? Nuke em locally to respect the mod authors wishes?

 

I mean obviously not reposting them is clear... but just plan old usage if you had them?

 

I think continued local usage is fine.

 

A mod author's work is the same as the work of any other kind of artist. When someone downloads a mod from LoversLab, the mod author gave out a copy. One can think of it like a painter giving out a print of their painting, which the recipient hung on their wall. That is like adding the mod to your load order.

 

A painter can choose to stop giving out prints of their painting. That is like a mod author removing their mod from LoversLab. The painter cannot force a person to take the print off their wall, just like the mod author cannot force a person to remove the mod from their load order.

 

It would be wrong; however, for a person to make copies of the painter's print and give them to other people, without having the copyright for the original painting. Similarly, it would be wrong for a person to give copies of a mod to other people, without having the copyright for the original mod.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Herowynne

[randompersons123]

1 hour ago, Herowynne said:

 

I think continued local usage is fine.

 

A mod author's work is the same as the work of any other kind of artist. When someone downloads a mod from LoversLab, the mod author gave out a copy. One can think of it like a painter giving out a print of their painting, which the recipient hung on their wall. That is like adding the mod to your load order.

 

A painter can choose to stop giving out prints of their painting. That is like a mod author removing their mod from LoversLab. The painter cannot force a person to take the print off their wall, just like the mod author cannot force a person to remove the mod from their load order.

 

It would be wrong; however, for a person to make copies of the painter's print and give them to other people, without having the copyright for the original painting. Similarly, it would be wrong for a person to give copies of a mod to other people, without having the copyright for the original mod.

 

 

 

I still think it's wrong for him to take them down and revoke permissions AFTER the fact. Plenty of people have went out of their way to work on the mods he's made and add revisions to it after the fact upon giving permission. Taking back those permissions doesn't seem right since the cat is already out of the bag. I hope LL mods reconsider taking down the conversions considering that they're incredibly valuable for most people who mod on here.

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by randompersons123

[VeraDra]

39 minutes ago, randompersons123 said:

 

I still think it's wrong for him to take them down and revoke permissions AFTER the fact. Plenty of people have went out of their way to work on the mods he's made and add revisions to it after the fact upon giving permission. Taking back those permissions doesn't seem right since the cat is already out of the bag. I hope LL mods reconsider taking down the conversions considering that they're incredibly valuable for most people who mod on here.

 

They arguably didn't even revoke said permissions, just had files nuked with 0 contact with the person who was previously given permission.

 

At the end of the day, all this actually accomplishes is having people reupload the mods elsewhere

[PornPleb]

On 10/24/2023 at 2:39 PM, In5inite said:

Well crap,

 

What's the ethical thing to do? Nuke em locally to respect the mod authors wishes?

 

I mean obviously not reposting them is clear... but just plan old usage if you had them?

 

now will i upset the admins for asking for any copies you have?

[PornPleb]

4 hours ago, Yinkle said:

This level of disrespect towards people who share their work out of the goodness of their hearts is what will ruin communities like LL. Mod authors have the right to nuke their work as it is their intellectual property, not the property of entitled shits who make an alt account just to post this toxicity.

didn't the dude in question have a patreon where people paid them to make the mods that got nuked? i feel like disrespect works both ways in this situation. i would understand your viewpoint if they received nothing for the work but technically mans got paid to make these. pretty much robbing his donators (or her...or they. idk them personally)

Edited October 26, 2023 by PornPleb
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[Krashark]

While I agree that many users (myself included) will miss SLS and several of its features, it's not time to behave like the (Skyrim's) world ended and start throwing tantrums about why Monoman1's mods were removed. I have no idea about Monoman's whereabouts, nor I intend to have, but certainly he had a reason for deleting his mods. Every player and/or modder here also has a real life outside the computer (even if their life is entirely dedicated to this site).

 

We can't just re-upload the files here or whatsoever because it would be an absolute lack of respect to the author's wishes, but nothing prevent us from sharing the files from his mods privately or keeping them in our local drives. That is, and will always be a consequence of sharing anything in the Internet, not just here in LL. That said, i'm not weighing if the practice of sharing privately mod files that once were public should be discouraged or not.

 

The best we can do now is to move on because new mods are always coming to Skyrim. Features from Monoman1's mods can be remade from scratch by other people, using assets/codes/etc from their own, as long as they're not just "copy-paste", because the tools for doing such things are available to the public. As for the author himself, let him take his time and decide whether he'll speak to us or not about the removal of this mods. Sometime the dust will settle down, although we do not know when.

[Mister X]

15 hours ago, Diuxtros said:

Repost them to every site an discord that allows you to, fuck mod authors that do this shit.

 

6 hours ago, Diuxtros said:

Nuking your mods after giving open permissions, causing not only your mods but a bunch of other mods that use them as a dependency to no longer work is an absolute dogshit move and the actual disrespectful thing. Oh and this isnt an alt account moron.

 

3 hours ago, Diuxtros said:

??? some of the ports of his mods are literal dependencies for other mods, what does this have to do with "modpacks". No matter what random insults you choose to throw your take, as your mods, will still be dogshit.

 

I will only reply once to this, just to remind you of literal RULE #1 in this community: 

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The biggest and most important thing of this community, is that the modders come first.

 

[Pantheress]

This kinda makes me appreciate how Nexus handles this type of situation, even though some people threw an absolute hissyfit over it.

[ShalaxiHelbane]

13 hours ago, Pantheress said:

This kinda makes me appreciate how Nexus handles this type of situation, even though some people threw an absolute hissyfit over it.

How did they handle it? I know there was someting at the time modpacks were being suggested about not being able to remove stuff or something but I have no idea what actually ended up happening.

[VeraDra]

2 hours ago, ShalaxiHelbane said:

How did they handle it? I know there was someting at the time modpacks were being suggested about not being able to remove stuff or something but I have no idea what actually ended up happening.

any mod uploaded to the nexus is functionally permanent and unable to be deleted (obvious exceptions to that list, like illegal content aside), in order to make the Collections feature work.

 

In the past, mod authors would throw a fit over a disagreement or whatever else and decide that nuking their content was the only rational thing to do. The new archive system on the Nexus means that while the mod page can be deleted and the files aren't readily accessible, they are still available via the API, which the collections feature would use. This also includes old versions of mods, because an update is not guaranteed to be 100% compatible with the previous versions.

 

Some mod authors did not like this, citing that users would come to them with support for old versions when the issue was fixed in a later version.

 

This is one of those issues brought up as a problem that either a) doesn't actually happen or b) would happen a lot less if people used rational versioning schemes. Most of these could be answered simply with "update to x.y.2, x.y.1 has an issue", which, assuming the collections creator was attentive, would never occur.

 

There was also some shit about collections potentially being eligible for donation points, which some authors were against, because as far as they were concerned, someone spending hours making a modpack, as well as manually making a patch for that collection in particular is clearly not doing as much as they are, by using waifu2z to upscale some totally fine texture. (hyperbole is obvious - this isn't a real example).

 

 

Of course, the nexus gave a month+ of time to make the decision - nuke their content permanently, or contiinue to keep it up. Some decided nuking their content was worth it. Most of the mods lost in this have been recreated by someone else AFAIK, or are still available if you care enough to jumo through whatever hoops the author wants you to. some did not understand that chosing to remove their content would mean losing access to certain tools/places to chat/ask for help.