Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Fenroo]

No enforced chastity deals?

[Lozeak]

13 minutes ago, Fenroo said:

No enforced chastity deals?

No update to existing Chasity content. This updates theme was prostitution mainly.

 

Nothing planed for next update either but there will be a new/alternate of the Chasity deal that will be about the belt not coming off on the roadmap for 2.0

 

 

[Reesewow]

Just started CGI's localized 1.61 version and managed to get level 2 of the new deal in just the first 3 deals I took (wanted to get back to the same situation I was in pre-clean save).  Love the use of the bikini armors, plus the fact that only bodyslides were included means the mod didn't even ask to overwrite my existing versions of these armors.

 

One thing to keep in mind is there may be future bug reports of people complaining the "whore" armor makes their body invisible (because they did not run Bodyslide).  There must be at least a few poor souls out there that have not been converted to the church of protective swimwear.  With this update Bodyslide and/or installing Nise's bikini armor mod for the meshes is now probably something to put into the mod's requirements.

 

 

Few minor quirks I noticed with getting level 2 of the new deal - just some leftovers from the tail deal and something to be added when you get around to it:

• When given the level 2 deal the follower still mentions upgrading your plug to a tail.  They do correctly give the whore armor items and punish you with a suitable warning if you don't put one of them on, and they don't actually give the player a tail plug.
• Anal plug deals don't yet have a "what are my current deals" popup explaining what is expected of you.

[CGi]

4 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

... the fact that only bodyslides were included means the mod didn't even ask to overwrite my existing versions of these armors.

Not really the case. All meshes are inside a BSA to avoid overwriting and to give the player a fallback.

Same for scripts. You can edit the sources, compile them, test them and if your edit sucks, remove it and the one from the BSA will be used again...

... unless the new version was baked into the save game, that is.

[Reesewow]

1 minute ago, CGi said:

Not really the case. All meshes are inside a BSA to avoid overwriting and to give the player a fallback.

Same for scripts. You can edit the sources, compile them, test them and if your edit sucks, remove it and the one from the BSA will be used again...

... unless the new version was baked into the save game, that is.

Lol, right, forgot I was using your .bsa'd version for a sec.  That covers the "body invisible" problem - instead we may have people reporting hip/boob texture problems which are less game-breaking.  It would only be CBBE users with this problem, and would have a really easy solution since CBBE bodyslide files are included.

 

 And yea I'm avoiding putting any loose DF scripts into my install because I just *know* I'll forget they are there and wonder why future updates aren't working properly.  The joys of being a "use it till is blows up" NMM user... but it hasn't blown up in years so I haven't been forced to change. 

[Lozeak]

41 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

• When given the level 2 deal the follower still mentions upgrading your plug to a tail.  They do correctly give the whore armor items and punish you with a suitable warning if you don't put one of them on, and they don't actually give the player a tail plug.
• Anal plug deals don't yet have a "what are my current deals" popup explaining what is expected of you.

Patch to fix that has been released ^^.

[Krh]

This mod was/is worth the wait. I first tried the previous version a week or so ago, and the update has stuff I like.

 

The concept is enjoyable because it adds something that makes sense in Skyrim: a greedy, perverted mercenary to facilitate the heroine's fall from grace. I've craved a dominant follower pretty much ever since I started playing Skyrim, and DF delivers something close enough. It's good and only getting better.

 

Most glaring issue was the generic nature of dialogue. Work in progress, I understand, but using 'they' instead of 'he' or 'she' when it's plainly obvious what sex the PC is... well, waters it down. Those derogatory, disrespectful comments that come with stage 3 plug deal would be hot as hell if they weren't trying to cater to men, women and helicopters all at once. Same thing with male and female customers using shared lines. Maybe MCM config for who can be a client?

On deals:
 

Spoiler

 

Piercings deal ignores MCM settings. I've unchecked the box, yet the deal gets offered all the same.

Bondage deal doesn't seem very interesting, largely due to the silly mittens. Modern day Earth crap that doesn't fit in Tamriel. Dunno if any other device can be substituted for the same purpose.

Ownership deal has potential. The padded steel restraints is my favorite DD set and I really appreciate the fact that we can wear whatever, as long as it's in the deal's device category. Would be nice if the follower fucked women in the ass, too. Not the first time the bastard takes liberties, right? And the supplied belt seems designed precisely for that.

Slut deal is fun. I'm a bit apprehensive how it would handle plot conversations and the like with the interrupt. Would it break scenes? Then again, the mod being paused could be headcanoned as the follower being on his best behavior in front of Greybeards and whatnot, in case the hapless PC turns out to be the Dragonborn.

Plug deal on the whole pushes several of my buttons, both in a good way and bad. 1st stage adds something humiliating but kind of discreet. Hidden under armor/clothes or peeking out of a thong? Your choice! 2nd stage is where the deal is at its best, IMO. The supplied tail plug is cute, sexy and really embarassing in public. 3rd stage takes it up a notch, but goes too far with full nudity. And the sign is ugly. There's no reason to strip the PC's boots and gloves with this deal and doing so detracts from its yumminess. The message box popup to resist being whored out or go along with it was a nice touch, would like to see more in the same vein.

Customers stealing gold during sex is just plain ridiculous. How the hell would they get away with something like that? Sure, if the PC is a zero willpower doormat trussed up in a dozen crippling bondage devices, okay. But some drunk or farmer taking anything from a conscious and alert adventurer ain't gonna happen. Simple fix would seem to be adding this to MCM.

The mocking comments would be awesome, if they were tailored to fit the PC's specifics. Less "they were always wanting to kill draugr and now they're just sucking cocks" and more "the bitch thought she could make it as an adventurer and now she's a cocksucking whore."

 

 

It seems the mod has all kinds of interactions hidden behind specific conditions and circumstances. I'd like to see more freeform interactions, especially with the follower. He or she could strike up a conversation from time to time and ask for sexual favors, taunt the PC, offer to reduce debt or stage down a deal, try to trick her into some embarassing situation and so on. Basically stuff similar to what they're already doing, just not necessarily tied to any specific deal.

Note: This was written based on the first release, not the updated or localized version. Bikini armor sounds yummy and appropriate.

[Hex Bolt]

30 minutes ago, Krh said:

Most glaring issue was the generic nature of dialogue. Work in progress, I understand, but using 'they' instead of 'he' or 'she' when it's plainly obvious what sex the PC is... well, waters it down. Those derogatory, disrespectful comments that come with stage 3 plug deal would be hot as hell if they weren't trying to cater to men, women and helicopters all at once. Same thing with male and female customers using shared lines.

Totally agree with this, but I believe that Lozeak has been trying to get the content out first, then come back to clean and polish the dialogue.  Times when the player character is referred to both as "she" and "they" in the same sentence are jarring, and sometimes it's hard to tell if "they" refers to the PC or the client whom the PC is servicing.  But it serves as a framework for now, and the dialogue has gone through clean up passes in the past.  I particularly appreciate the mod's use of tags to insert the follower's name into dialogue.  In a similar fashion, pronoun tagging, such as Alias.Pronoun=AliasName, could go a long way toward removing the ambiguity that comes with the use of they and them.  Lozeak has been adding content at record speed, so it's natural so that some of the details will lag behind. 

 

 

[Lozeak]

5 minutes ago, Krh said:

This mod was/is worth the wait. I first tried the previous version a week or so ago, and the update has stuff I like.

 

The concept is enjoyable because it adds something that makes sense in Skyrim: a greedy, perverted mercenary to facilitate the heroine's fall from grace. I've craved a dominant follower pretty much ever since I started playing Skyrim, and DF delivers something close enough. It's good and only getting better.

 

Most glaring issue was the generic nature of dialogue. Work in progress, I understand, but using 'they' instead of 'he' or 'she' when it's plainly obvious what sex the PC is... well, waters it down. Those derogatory, disrespectful comments that come with stage 3 plug deal would be hot as hell if they weren't trying to cater to men, women and helicopters all at once. Same thing with male and female customers using shared lines. Maybe MCM config for who can be a client?

On deals:
 

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Piercings deal ignores MCM settings. I've unchecked the box, yet the deal gets offered all the same.

Bondage deal doesn't seem very interesting, largely due to the silly mittens. Modern day Earth crap that doesn't fit in Tamriel. Dunno if any other device can be substituted for the same purpose.

Ownership deal has potential. The padded steel restraints is my favorite DD set and I really appreciate the fact that we can wear whatever, as long as it's in the deal's device category. Would be nice if the follower fucked women in the ass, too. Not the first time the bastard takes liberties, right? And the supplied belt seems designed precisely for that.

Slut deal is fun. I'm a bit apprehensive how it would handle plot conversations and the like with the interrupt. Would it break scenes? Then again, the mod being paused could be headcanoned as the follower being on his best behavior in front of Greybeards and whatnot, in case the hapless PC turns out to be the Dragonborn.

Plug deal on the whole pushes several of my buttons, both in a good way and bad. 1st stage adds something humiliating but kind of discreet. Hidden under armor/clothes or peeking out of a thong? Your choice! 2nd stage is where the deal is at its best, IMO. The supplied tail plug is cute, sexy and really embarassing in public. 3rd stage takes it up a notch, but goes too far with full nudity. And the sign is ugly. There's no reason to strip the PC's boots and gloves with this deal and doing so detracts from its yumminess. The message box popup to resist being whored out or go along with it was a nice touch, would like to see more in the same vein.

Customers stealing gold during sex is just plain ridiculous. How the hell would they get away with something like that? Sure, if the PC is a zero willpower doormat trussed up in a dozen crippling bondage devices, okay. But some drunk or farmer taking anything from a conscious and alert adventurer ain't gonna happen. Simple fix would seem to be adding this to MCM.

The mocking comments would be awesome, if they were tailored to fit the PC's specifics. Less "they were always wanting to kill draugr and now they're just sucking cocks" and more "the bitch thought she could make it as an adventurer and now she's a cocksucking whore."

 

 

It seems the mod has all kinds of interactions hidden behind specific conditions and circumstances. I'd like to see more freeform interactions, especially with the follower. He or she could strike up a conversation from time to time and ask for sexual favors, taunt the PC, offer to reduce debt or stage down a deal, try to trick her into some embarassing situation and so on. Basically stuff similar to what they're already doing, just not necessarily tied to any specific deal.

Note: This was written based on the first release, not the updated or localized version. Bikini armor sounds yummy and appropriate.

 

Thank you for the feed back ^^.

 

I'll start by saying my writing skills at best are average so yea dialog in my mod does suffer (it does get improved over time by people helping me with it ^^.)

 

B deal - Yea I guess the hands/boots won't fit to everyones taste I get that. Personally, the reason I love skyrim is magic/alchemy really does like you get away a lot lore wise.

Pier deal - I'll look into that bug thank you (I can't test the mod as much as I like)

New deal - The new armour means you won't be naked (well almost) I got rid of the tail (as a stage 2 deal it's boring) it may become the alternate route for the plug deal though. Btw, the stripping thing was done cause some armor doesn't work with anal plugs (I didn't want to do it). I found a better solution.

The thiefy is not everytime it's a chance based thing so I do think it makes sense that someone swipes your gold before you can react (even if drunk).

If you want some speific lines of dialog in the mod feel free to PM them to me ^^. I can't promise I'll add em but there is a good chance I will if they fit the mod ^^.

At a certain I'll look into more of her/him ect stuff too.

Ironically, cause if I didn't update too much, I'm sure people would do a lot of rewriting this mod needs.

 

I can agree to a certain point maybe the dialog does suffer because I try to make sure the dialog is gender neutral. Thing is while I don't even use the content, I think it kinda sucks people that play male character can't have the same fun I do so in my opinion it's a worthwhile trade.

 

As for day to day stuff .... so other mod could do this but I really want a lot of the things that happen being based on the players actions so it's really hard to justify/make a system of asking for sexual favors unless it's based of a deal.

Taunt the PC - Will happen before 2.0 not really talked about it but I want to create a comment based system on things the player is doing or has done. I want to do it nearer the end of making 2.0 though.

Deal to lower a stage or something- Will likly be after 2.0, I have rough ideas like player agreeing to be a slave or doing something for a while to clear a deal instead of using gold.

Tricking the player ^^ - If i think of a good idea this will happen 

 

Heres the thing though, I hit a gold mine when I made this mod there are like a million ways to make it better because of the way I built it  all I really need do is keep doing what I'm doing. 

 

 

[Fenroo]

3 hours ago, Lozeak said:

No update to existing Chasity content. This updates theme was prostitution mainly.

 

Nothing planed for next update either but there will be a new/alternate of the Chasity deal that will be about the belt not coming off on the roadmap for 2.0

 

 

OK. The good things in life are worth waiting for

[Superthinker]

1 hour ago, Lozeak said:

I can agree to a certain point maybe the dialog does suffer because I try to make sure the dialog is gender neutral. Thing is while I don't even use the content, I think it kinda sucks people that play male character can't have the same fun I do so in my opinion it's a worthwhile trade.

The DD textures are geared towards female anyway. Gender-neutral seems to be a lost cause.

[CGi]

@Lozeak There's no way to buy out of the rope arm restraints deal.

Buying out of the restraints deal "only" removes the cuffs, gloves, boots, corset and gag.

 

Buying out all deals except for the whoring, the dialogue option vanishes.

[Kalthen]

I tested the new version yesterday and the issues I have are in the new patch. Fantastic! Only one thing I am still curious about, and it didn't happen for me, is the crawling when enslaved. That wasn't there for me. I am running DD 4.1 and Zaz 8 plus what other requirements for it do I need?

[Kalthen]

A nice future feature would also be: To be able to configure what sort of DDi/x Devices get equipped. I quite like the heretical ones, personally. And I am sure others have different preferences.

 

But I am sure that is quite an undertaking.

[Lozeak]

3 hours ago, CGi said:

@Lozeak There's no way to buy out of the rope arm restraints deal.

Buying out of the restraints deal "only" removes the cuffs, gloves, boots, corset and gag.

 

Buying out all deals except for the whoring, the dialogue option vanishes.

I think it may be caused by doing this.

 

Buying out certain deals more than once in the game. Basically, I used to have stage 4 = reset quest but now stage 4s are being used for alternate deals so the quests aren't getting reset.

 

I'll post a patch in a sec. thank you.

[Lozeak]

 

1 hour ago, Kalthen said:

A nice future feature would also be: To be able to configure what sort of DDi/x Devices get equipped. I quite like the heretical ones, personally. And I am sure others have different preferences.

 

But I am sure that is quite an undertaking.

 

Maybe/eventually, it will take some time I'm sure to add but it's not on the cards at the moment.

 

11 hours ago, Superthinker said:

The DD textures are geared towards female anyway. Gender-neutral seems to be a lost cause.

 

There is so much to this but it comes down to this.

 

I don't want to exclude people that enjoy my mod. 

If i didn't care about who wanted/plays my mod - I'd never bug fix, I'd never correct dialog,I'd never make the mod easier to translate ect ect.

 

There are people out there that wanted to use my mod as a male char, there are people out there trying to make DD male compatible @-Caden- and you know what I think it's would be nice if they had some mods to play for all there hard work!

 

Also, think about it long term.... if someone makes an amazing but of content on here but only like playing male chars maybe because others have done the same they will make it compatible with female chars.

[crococat]

have some problems with new armor in plug deal:

1. corset disarear when armor equip - but it is not bad as for me, just info.

2. follower strip my armor using slut deal and add debt for this using plug deal in same location. it is very devious from her side, but not right.

[Lozeak]

31 minutes ago, crococat said:

have some problems with new armor in plug deal:

1. corset disarear when armor equip - but it is not bad as for me, just info.

2. follower strip my armor using slut deal and add debt for this using plug deal in same location. it is very devious from her side, but not right.

 

if you have the slut deal stage 2+ and slut deal stage 2+ you still need to be naked in town your whore armor doesn't let you bypass other deals (if that;'s what you mean)

 

Corset I'll look into but it could be the device hider settings in Devious devices.

[Reesewow]

1 hour ago, crococat said:

have some problems with new armor in plug deal:

1. corset disarear when armor equip - but it is not bad as for me, just info.

2. follower strip my armor using slut deal and add debt for this using plug deal in same location. it is very devious from her side, but not right.

 

#1 is very likely your Device Hider settings - check your Devious Devices MCM menu for "Device Hider" and see if corsets are being hidden and disable that if they are.  The purpose of the device hider is to have certain devices disappear when wearing chest armor to reduce clipping (piercings/chastity bras/corsets ect) - but if you are wearing skimpy armor anyway like the whore armor it looks silly to have them vanish.

 

#2 - I think if you have slut and plug deal at the same time you can be naked to satisfy both deals.  Stage 2 plug deal just wants you to look like a whore, which means naked or wearing the given armor.  Make sure you are completely naked, since some armor mods have lots of parts and they may have keywords that make your follower think you are not naked.

[crococat]

i have equiped only items given me by follower, but she still argue i am not wearing my armor after she removed it. maybe it only my problem with install. i will try with next update.

[Kalthen]

I love the jarl crawl deal with the new DDx 4.1 suit. Unfortunately I am also running 3pco which i think messes up the crawl animation. Does anyone around here know how to get crawling to work with 3pco ?

[zupra]

Just started with this mod first time ever and i gotta say i really love it. Finally money has a meaning in this game. I got enslaved pretty fast as i didn't know how much dept i can have so now i'm trying to scavenge money any way possible. I was even harvesting outside of Whiterun lol. My master plan is to wait till SGO gives me six grand soul gems and then sell them.

[Reesewow]

9 minutes ago, zupra said:

My master plan is to wait till SGO gives me six grand soul gems and then sell them.

Not gonna lie, SGO is one of my desperation plays for getting out of a pile of deals with low willpower.  Impregnate *everyone* following me including my PC, then harvest all at once and go on a selling spree to try to get the capital to buy out of 6+ deals at once.  Best part is it takes a while for the gems to grow, so you need to get a bunch of gameplay done in the meantime while trying to stay on top of payments.

 

Would definitely recommend checking the MCM menu for the various settings and try to tailor them to your game a bit - IMO the best part of this mod is not being enslaved but in debt.  

[Ursur1major]

Started a new game today with the newest version, played around and I've noticed a few things

 

First, in the new stage 2 of the buttplug deal the Light Armour has a much higher armour rating than the Heavy Armour alternative (44 vs 11 in my case), not sure if this is intended.

Secondly, when the mod equips the Rope Armbinder the arms do not go behind the characters back, exiting the game and running FNIS solved the issue for me, I did not have this problem when I manually equiped the Rope Armbinder myself when testing out the new devices.

And lastly I'm not sure which deal triggers this or if it's just a random event but the following textbox seems to have trouble inserting my followers name (The follower in question being Uthgerd)

 

That is all that I've noticed in my playthrough today.

 

Edit: One more thing I forgot, Willpower does not go down ever for some reason, sleeping with restraints, getting raped and other events don't seem to do anything.

[Siudhne]

Starting a new game with 1.56, I still can't change chaos deal min/max deal duration values. Can somebody confirm it works for them?