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Guest endgameaddiction

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I'm officially a sellout. Sorry all but...

 

 

 

I'm going to sell my mods for free on STEAM.

 

 

badbat111

badbat111

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@badbat1111

 

It is not enough to run in offline mod you actually have to either disable your network adapter or unplug the internet from your pc to really be offline.

 

my pc is wired not wireless when i got to play on any game and i pull the net cable out the back of the tower play my game then when finnished i exit steam then put the cable back in then open the browser to look for more porn mods

Double D

Double D

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If she actually wants to be paid as a full-time modder, she can apply for a job at Beth or EA -- there's the money, she also already has the portfolio to show for.

 

She most certainly could work as a dev, but I think it would be beneficial for the modding community as a whole if one could find work independently as a modder. It's far better than working for anyone else, you are your own boss. I probably should also clarify my earlier point. I feel like there is a lot of entitlement going around with the "modders get compensation" side as they want to see this Valve thing go through. It's already proven successful, but the current model is absolute garbage. If people want to get paid to mod, they have every right to do so. They just can't expect to be given money. Sure, I don't get whatever work they produce, but that's my decision. I can live with it, just keep the free community alive and it's wishes.

 

Seriously, I'd love to see high quality work, with professional studio voice acting and such. I'd gladly pay if I thought it was worth it. The stuff up right now, I'd never buy though. It's not worth it in my opinion. The current model doesn't encourage modders to pursue more ambitious projects, and I highly doubt they can be compensated outside of Valve if they wanted too. Maybe I am wrong, but I'm highly pessimistic given the current trends and past event.

 

Also, all the finger pointing and name calling does need to stop. It's best to make pointed arguments and talk this through. We can certainly reach a compromise. I just don't think Valve will want to play ball.

 

Also, I don't need compensation for my comments. A place to vent a bit is quite nice, and I rather enjoy the discussion. ^^

pornphile

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All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

 

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

It's the precedence set by Bethesda since Morrowind to forbid profiting from mods. Everyone has fallen into lock-step since. There is the dogma.

 

If instead Bethesda had allowed profiting from mods at the outset, would we be having this discussion?

 

Zor2k13

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I think this will end up like the situation on twitch. There are always the same few games at the top of the browse channels list and those games are there because lots of money and gambling are involved. The most watched channels in those most watched games are either esea matches for cs gamblers or twitch bitches with their boobs hanging out or their fan service showing:-)

 

After them you have the wannabe DJ types with some big ol microphone hanging over them running some kind of fake giveaway usually boxes or whatever from cs gamblers. Then after that is the weirdos with odd things to say and then the occasional people trying to get started and doing embarrassing things to get attention. Finally at the bottom are the usual REAL people that have one or two viewers that are just playing the dam game no fancy green screens er, sheets or whatever.

 

I think this is how it will go for modders too, whoever can get the most attention will do it aka big boobs and fan service and after that are guys who don't have boobs so they have to do gambling to make money. I bet they just end up redirecting people to their twitch channels lol.

ZaZ

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All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

 

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

I thought all of the arguments of this being a negative was discussed at the beginning of this thread?
 
Personally I don't give a damn if a modder asks for money?I just would prefer you make your intentions clear from the get go and give me the option to say no instead of taking me for a ride I didn't ask to get on.The funny part though all this I'm pretty sure we'll still being getting quality mods in the future that won't cost a dime.
 
As far as the community the split is already here to stay.

 

 

I cant believe I'm saying this , Because no one wants to say it . I will

but when a modder asks for money directly most of them are probably shamed and also leaving out the sad state of donations and supporting a modder in general , Demanding for Money is wrong . I feel Modders are always grateful for the donations they receive , also asking for money is different than actually earning it .

 

And no , the Community is not Split I don't agree with Valve and Beths way of doing things most modders are with me on that , but there is a lot to talk about 

Double D

Double D

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I think it is Jexsam that brought up the whittler analogy. Yes, the whittler has every right to sell his figures. However, the whittler gets to choose where he sells his wares. If I were to make a Skyrim mod, am I allowed to sell it on Amazon?

Yami X

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All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

 

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

I thought all of the arguments of this being a negative was discussed at the beginning of this thread?
 
Personally I don't give a damn if a modder asks for money?I just would prefer you make your intentions clear from the get go and give me the option to say no instead of taking me for a ride I didn't ask to get on.The funny part though all this I'm pretty sure we'll still being getting quality mods in the future that won't cost a dime.
 
As far as the community the split is already here to stay.

 

 

I can't believe I'm saying this , Because no one wants to say it . I will

but when a modder asks for money directly most of them are probably shamed and also leaving out the sad state of donations and supporting a modder in general , Demanding for Money is wrong . I feel Modders are always grateful for the donations they receive , also asking for money is different than actually earning it .

 

And no , the Community is not Split I don't agree with Valve and Beths way of doing things most modders are with me on that , but there is a lot to talk about 

 

 

I see nothing wrong with what you stated above so agreed.

 

 

 

As of right now as long as the situation with money with is on the table the free vs paid crowd is now a thing I wish this wasn't the case but it is.

pornphile

pornphile

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I think it is Jexsam that brought up the whittler analogy. Yes, the whittler has every right to sell his figures. However, the whittler gets to choose where he sells his wares. If I were to make a Skyrim mod, am I allowed to sell it on Amazon?

No, you are using someone else's IP.

Yes, if you have a Skyrim IP license.

 

Selling through the Workshop avoids having to get a license.

Derpakiin

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And modders face what exactly? Something they signed up for? Something they chose to do? In the case of the modders like xilverbulet (Midas Magic) I have no sympathy because he has pulled every free version of his outdated mod and then proceeded to update his mod to get money.

Being an asshole is not okay. It is never okay. It doesn't matter what the other person did. Don't like it? Say your piece politely and/or move on. No one, and I mean no one, should ever have to put up with constant threats and abuse of any kind. Not while we pretend to be part of any sort of civilized society.

 

There are times when you have to be an asshole being nice all the time gets you nowhere I mean just look around.There's a reason Valve and Bethesda feel they can just pull these type of stunts.

 

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.

 

 

Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

 

 

What types?

 

 

Not you again........

 

 

No, I mean It's an honest question. I literally just walked into this thread.

 

For all you know, I might agree with you once I get my bearings on what people are talking about. I don't see why you would start making this into some personal rivalry when I just happen to post in a thread you are in.

 

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All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

 

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

I thought all of the arguments of this being a negative was discussed at the beginning of this thread?
 
Personally I don't give a damn if a modder asks for money?I just would prefer you make your intentions clear from the get go and give me the option to say no instead of taking me for a ride I didn't ask to get on.The funny part though all this I'm pretty sure we'll still being getting quality mods in the future that won't cost a dime.
 
As far as the community the split is already here to stay.

 

 

I can't believe I'm saying this , Because no one wants to say it . I will

but when a modder asks for money directly most of them are probably shamed and also leaving out the sad state of donations and supporting a modder in general , Demanding for Money is wrong . I feel Modders are always grateful for the donations they receive , also asking for money is different than actually earning it .

 

And no , the Community is not Split I don't agree with Valve and Beths way of doing things most modders are with me on that , but there is a lot to talk about 

 

 

I see nothing wrong with what you stated above so agreed.

 

 

 

As of right now as long as the situation with money with is on the table the free vs paid crowd is now a thing I wish this wasn't the case but it is.

 

 

I wonder how compatibility patches are going to function with a paywall mod and free mod. Will person B who creates it for free allow person A who sells mods allow a compatible patch for their mod without compensation? This is where a big problem will be. You have great talent lying between both sides of the field. If most are against paywall, this will hurt steam modders.

bjornk

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Why do you think this thing has started with Skyrim first, rather than a new title? Because it's the newest title on the market that has the highest number of mods and has an established modding community. Pretty easy to see that there's good money in there, if you can find a way to monetize mods and it's particularly easy to do if you have the monopoly on the game. And those sellout modders, they have used the community to get ideas, gain feedback and popularity, only to stab those people who have supported them in the back. If you've always wanted to get paid for your mod, why couldn't you wait for the next Bethesda title and start your commercial modding career with that game? But no, you had to exploit it. Valve, Bethesda and all those sellouts are nothing but opportunist pigs.

Exar Kun

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Personally, I'd say the biggest problem with modders expecting payment is that most mods deliver too little content to be worth paying for. If we assume that the retail price of Skyrim represents a fair assessment of what an individual consumer can be expected to pay for all of the vanilla game's content, then the value of an individual armor or weapon mod is infinitesimal. A mod like sexlab or Falskaar or immersive armors might be worth paying for due to the quantity of content delivered, but those mods are the province of a relatively small subset of modders.

 

It seems to me that if paying modders is the goal, then perhaps things like revenue-sharing by profit-making mod-hosting sites would be better. Modders who deliver valuable content (in terms of page-views and downloads) could be eligible for a share of the profits provided by ad revenue on a site like nexus, assuming that the site has made a profit in the relevant fiscal year. Not all modders would be paid (not all modders generate worthwhile content), but it would provide compensation those modders who bring in the most ad revenue without directly charging users for individual mods. Combined with things like patreons and donations, top modders could be reasonably compensated for their output.

 

Also, I was talking to a family member and it was pointed out that the money made from this kind of thing would be subject to income taxation. Who will be the first modder to get in trouble with the IRS?

 

 

http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/workshoppaymentinfofaq/

 

No need to worry about getting in trouble with the IRS, Valve requires you to complete a tax interview which appears very thorough and you have to submit documents/info to the IRS, social security number, address, list goes on etc...

Seems like stealing mods for profit or copyrighting anything important would be a bad idea on the workshop given Valve has all this important info in hand but likely modders and the users will get the short end of the stick, although I would love to know how much a modder would really get after taxes.

Kendo 2

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All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

 

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

Primarily it is the 'moral' aspect I think most have a problem with.  Whatever skewed views we have as a community, we ARE a community.  People charging for mods is like a municipality charging for the rain that falls out of the sky.  The whole county got rainfall that day, but people who choose to live in that municipality (buying mods) get taxed for it.  Mods are like rain fall, there's a lot that goes into making it happen but it's free.  Sure people can choose not to live in that municipality (buy mods) but it still grates and violates our fucked up community mores.

 

There's also the real life factor of the economy and people simply do not have have the extra cash to throw at things like mods.  Sure, someone can say 'just don't buy them' but that is not how the majority of the gaming community views it; which is obvious by the outcry and general hostility towards the idea of charging for mods.  In the instance of your whittler, imagine he was giving away the things he made in his spare time.  Then he decided to get a stall at the local market and sell them.  The people who once were happy and appreciative of his whittling talent are now bent out  of shape.  Not only is he charging for what was once free, but also he's violated an unspoken trust.  Maybe your whittler was gifted with home made pies or preserves once in a while, or maybe somemone would give him quality hardwood to carve as a gift.  Not only did he break that cycle of community, now he's selling it out since the pie makers and gift givers are still not charging, but he is.  Of course he's going to be on the outside and of course people will resent him.  They also might decide that maybe the things he whittled aren't that great afterall.  Maybe word of mouth will spread that he's charging for what once once free and it's wasn't that great to begin with.  His position in the community and his reputation are now shit.  So maybe charging for that whittled duck call wasn't such a good idea in the first place, but he did it and now he's fucked.

 

If anything, staying in the good graces of a community that you rely on and support is worth more than 5 bucks for a duck call.

Double D

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I think it is Jexsam that brought up the whittler analogy. Yes, the whittler has every right to sell his figures. However, the whittler gets to choose where he sells his wares. If I were to make a Skyrim mod, am I allowed to sell it on Amazon?

No, you are using someone else's IP.

Yes, if you have a Skyrim IP license.

 

Selling through the Workshop avoids having to get a license.

 

I would argue that if I produce content that adds value to the game I should sell it where I please. Why should IP stop me? Both Valve and Steam made their money once I bought the game and it's DLC. If it is just because it's the law, does that make it right?

badbat111

badbat111

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I think it is Jexsam that brought up the whittler analogy. Yes, the whittler has every right to sell his figures. However, the whittler gets to choose where he sells his wares. If I were to make a Skyrim mod, am I allowed to sell it on Amazon?

No, you are using someone else's IP.

Yes, if you have a Skyrim IP license.

 

Selling through the Workshop avoids having to get a license.

 

I would argue that if I produce content that adds value to the game I should sell it where I please. Why should IP stop me? Both Valve and Steam made their money once I bought the game and it's DLC. If it just because it's the law, does that make it right?

 

 

no your judge dread you ARE the law ;)

 

Zor2k13

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The law does not even serve the people anymore it serves the lawyers and politicians and they in turn serve the corporations!

 

What bjornk said they should have started this shit with the next game it would have blowed over nicely since the argument of something was once free now it is not could not have been made. Most people are willing to sell out to steam after all these years anyway and just accept their drm bs and bribes like cs gamblers so it would have went much better with the next game. I think they did it now because they can't wait for the next game the money is needed or wanted badly now. ESO have to have made some kind of big financial dent in bugfesta's wallet we are just too close to that game going free to play for it not to be related.

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Why do you think this thing has started with Skyrim first, rather than a new title? Because it's the newest title on the market that has the highest number of mods and has an established modding community. Pretty easy to see that there's good money in there, if you can find a way to monetize mods and it's particularly easy to do if you have the monopoly on the game. And those sellout modders, they have used the community to get ideas, gain feedback and popularity, only to stab those people who have supported them in the back. If you've always wanted to get paid for your mod, why couldn't you wait for the next Bethesda title and start your commercial modding career with that game? But no, you had to exploit it. Valve, Bethesda and all those sellouts are nothing but opportunist pigs.

 

They people were sweet talked into putting a new version of their mod up on Steam to sell. They got suckered into it because they are just thinking about the amount of downloads they've already gotten. Not to include their endorsements. They're thinking they wil have a wealth success in the modding for a job business. But like every pyramid scam, they sit at the bottom and instead of paying money to try to make money, you forfeit your work with the exception of accepting 25% of the profit, which is just a complete rip off. And a complete scam having to sell what is it, $100? or $400? I keep reading around it's one of those.

 

In the end they got suckered into this business and either you play by their rules, or you walk away empty handed with your dignity on the ground, anyways.

badbat111

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The law does not even serve the people anymore it serves the lawyers and politicians and they in turn serve the corporations!

 

 

 

thats because the law is a MAFIA

 

mafia extort buisnesses cops take a chunk out of your tax

 

lets face it you spend all your life paying taxes which goes to cops but how often do you need the cops ?

 

as for partrolling the streets they say its to stop crime but infact its to stop rival mafias taking over there turfs ;)

 

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