A little warning to mod creators of non adult mods....

*ZaZ* · April 26, 2015

I'm not honestly surprised that this Mrs. Darkling dismisses everyone up in arms over this as children. It's way too convenient. She and her ilk are a pox on the community. This entitlement attitude doesn't fall on the users, though we can sometime act like obnoxious little shits. It's all them. If you want to get paid then just don't mod. Users should never feel obliged to owe a cent, especially if upload your stuff for the hoi polloi. Common courtesy is greatly appreciated; Donations would be cool too if the forces that be would let it happen, but nope. Gotta get Valve their money.

I just hope modding remains DRM free just so she can become a "professional modder".

If she actually wants to be paid as a full-time modder, she can apply for a job at Beth or EA -- there's the money, she also already has the portfolio to show for.

Exactly, if you want to get paid making stuff for games, get a job with that dev. Don't just hand over 75% of anything you make to them for doing exactly nothing.

Anyone wants to hire a Pervy Content Creator Like me ?

Hayleyrose2323 · April 26, 2015

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.
Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Do you mean to say that people won't pay for them? Because they are doing that. Do you mean that there is a different reason? Because you haven't actually mentioned what it is.

Your mind is already made up I'm not gonna waste either of our time.

So because I disagree with you, you won't bother to actually discuss it? You're just going to come in, say something, and then backpedal as quickly as possible when someone actually confronts you on it?

Ok being serious here for a second, there isnt much to discuss. Your both on different sides, only thing that can be said is I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OJ YEA? WELL I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I mean he is right, your mind is already made up, he's not gonna change his mind, and neither are you. So why bother going on?

badbat111 · April 26, 2015

I'm not honestly surprised that this Mrs. Darkling dismisses everyone up in arms over this as children. It's way too convenient. She and her ilk are a pox on the community. This entitlement attitude doesn't fall on the users, though we can sometime act like obnoxious little shits. It's all them. If you want to get paid then just don't mod. Users should never feel obliged to owe a cent, especially if upload your stuff for the hoi polloi. Common courtesy is greatly appreciated; Donations would be cool too if the forces that be would let it happen, but nope. Gotta get Valve their money.

I just hope modding remains DRM free just so she can become a "professional modder".

If she actually wants to be paid as a full-time modder, she can apply for a job at Beth or EA -- there's the money, she also already has the portfolio to show for.

Exactly, if you want to get paid making stuff for games, get a job with that dev. Don't just hand over 75% of anything you make to them for doing exactly nothing.

Anyone wants to hire a Pervy Content Creator Like me ?

hire you ? we should of booted the dopes behind skyrim and put you and a few other modders in charge of there company then instead of skyrim it could have been called sexrim

Yami X · April 26, 2015

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.
Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Do you mean to say that people won't pay for them? Because they are doing that. Do you mean that there is a different reason? Because you haven't actually mentioned what it is.

Your mind is already made up I'm not gonna waste either of our time.

You sound like someone we're making fun of on the nexus right now, only she got boobs...you..you dont..do you? You also sound like someone I just unsubbed on youtube like an hour ago or something... @_@ Im on to you bub, got mah eyes on you. Mhm, i does i does i dooooes.

Is there a reason you're finding something wrong with not wanting to having a pointless discussion? Plus I know who you're talking about.....ouch man! If you hurt my pride like that again you're taking a dwarven warhammer to the knee! :angry:

zippy57, on 25 Apr 2015 - 9:55 PM, said:

So because I disagree with you, you won't bother to actually discuss it? You're just going to come in, say something, and then backpedal as quickly as possible when someone actually confronts you on it?

Call it whatever you want it seems like you're having a hard time dealing with what I said..........too bad.

*zippy57* · April 26, 2015

Ok being serious here for a second, there isnt much to discuss. Your both on different sides, only thing that can be said is I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OJ YEA? WELL I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I mean he is right, your mind is already made up, he's not gonna change his mind, and neither are you. So why bother going on?

Because that is how intelligent people work. They have a discussion. They analyze each others arguments, find inconsistencies in them, and together come to a greater understanding of the issue.

And don't act like you, or he, can read my mind.

Luminar · April 26, 2015

If you want to get paid then just don't mod.
Serious question: Why can't someone want to get paid for modding? What gives you the right to tell someone what they can and can not do to make money?

I actually don't have a problem with it per say, but to explicitly expect payment crosses the line. The community has come so far without salaries, wages or any payment whatsoever. This is even coming from someone with pro-capitalist views. It's just that the only way to sell Skyrim mods would be through Valve. If people want to get paid, let the free market decide who gets what and where. I don't want to see mods on Steam workshop exclusively. As I've said, I don't have an issue with donations. It's just too much of a grey area so people don't want to deal with it.

Personally, I'd say the biggest problem with modders expecting payment is that most mods deliver too little content to be worth paying for. If we assume that the retail price of Skyrim represents a fair assessment of what an individual consumer can be expected to pay for all of the vanilla game's content, then the value of an individual armor or weapon mod is infinitesimal. A mod like sexlab or Falskaar or immersive armors might be worth paying for due to the quantity of content delivered, but those mods are the province of a relatively small subset of modders.

It seems to me that if paying modders is the goal, then perhaps things like revenue-sharing by profit-making mod-hosting sites would be better. Modders who deliver valuable content (in terms of page-views and downloads) could be eligible for a share of the profits provided by ad revenue on a site like nexus, assuming that the site has made a profit in the relevant fiscal year. Not all modders would be paid (not all modders generate worthwhile content), but it would provide compensation those modders who bring in the most ad revenue without directly charging users for individual mods. Combined with things like patreons and donations, top modders could be reasonably compensated for their output.

Also, I was talking to a family member and it was pointed out that the money made from this kind of thing would be subject to income taxation. Who will be the first modder to get in trouble with the IRS?

badbat111 · April 26, 2015

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.
Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Do you mean to say that people won't pay for them? Because they are doing that. Do you mean that there is a different reason? Because you haven't actually mentioned what it is.

Your mind is already made up I'm not gonna waste either of our time.

You sound like someone we're making fun of on the nexus right now, only she got boobs...you..you dont..do you? You also sound like someone I just unsubbed on youtube like an hour ago or something... @_@ Im on to you bub, got mah eyes on you. Mhm, i does i does i dooooes.

Is there a reason you're finding something wrong with not wanting to having a pointless discussion? Plus I know who you're talking about.....ouch man! If you hurt my pride like that again you're taking a dwarven warhammer to the knee!

a dwarven warhammer ? (who are you) a riekling who benchpresses ?

Ceit · April 26, 2015

Jezzus.

Chesko = 'While I was busy stabbing you in the back, I accidently sliced my finger. Please feel sorry for me.'

Dark0ne just isn't sucking the right dicks over at Valve/Bethesda. He'll get around to it eventually, since he's had plenty of experience while in British public school and on those fancy-nancy up-the-butt Greek island vactions he brags about (vacations his members pay for, btw). Once he gets that squared away he might actually admit he's been in collusion the whole time...and then laugh and ban anyone who challenges him on his dubious morals. Is the Nexus way.

Seriously though, the decision makers over at Value/Bethesda haven't though this through if 'we own mods/you must pay' is their new credo. What they don't understand is the games they release are broken from day-one. Even after they patch them, they still don't work. Players fix things and we all know that. Fast forward to the next Bethesda game and they fuck us as usual. The console release will be first (even though they know that is a dead end, one time buyer market) and then the PC version will come out. After that they'll release their broken construction set so we can 'mod with it'. This is where the ass-fucking will really start.

JUST SUPPOSE the new construction set is locked by a DRM and you can only access it while on-line. How are you going to fix the outdated INIs if they're not on your PC? How are you going to make esps have multiple masters? How are you going to mod the esms from DLCs if you don't have access to the configs? How will you be able to really mod anything? Look at the configs that came with Skyrim and its CK. You can't do mods with multiple masters without changing the configs. The same is true for opening the esms/esp that come with official DLCs. Without access to those and Bethesda not fixing them (which they never do), modding is fucked. What I'm saying isn't that much of a stretch. Look at what Valve/BethSoft is capable of doing to modding thus far in their weasly attempt to control it. Is what i'm hypothesizing that far off base? A CK locked by a DRM along with the configs and no way to edit them? Think SaintsRow3 and BatmanArkham and how those are packed from Steam. The files don't exist on your PC.

FNANTASY LAND I have two solutions; don't buy their shit any more OR go back to the last game Bethesda released that was on a disk (that's FO3) and totally cut Bethesda/Valve out of modding and make content for a game they have no on-line control of. I mean use every utlitiy available and remake FO3 to whatever playform we want. Everyone turns their backs on Skyrim, NewVegas and whatever comes after and hammers the shit out of a game and engine Steam can't touch.

THIS

I am officially joining the Kendo 2 fan club ;D

I think the CK will either be sold separately for the same amount as the game and will never be on sale or they could licence it out too but I think because people are actually paying for mods now that they may never release a full CK again. I can see them changing that too.

I personally believe that this was all orchestrated by Bethesda as a direct response to modders asking for donations and they became afraid at the prospect that if they let the modde4rs get away with that then what would they do next. Modders think they own their mods and I think that Bethesda is saying, "No you don't."

I am just flabbergasted that people are actually buying them.

I am also warning everybody that you better back up your Skyrim files because Steam can change the exe file with an update and fuck everything up for you. I think this is also a possibility in the near future.

Derpakiin · April 26, 2015

And modders face what exactly? Something they signed up for? Something they chose to do? In the case of the modders like xilverbulet (Midas Magic) I have no sympathy because he has pulled every free version of his outdated mod and then proceeded to update his mod to get money.
Being an asshole is not okay. It is never okay. It doesn't matter what the other person did. Don't like it? Say your piece politely and/or move on. No one, and I mean no one, should ever have to put up with constant threats and abuse of any kind. Not while we pretend to be part of any sort of civilized society.

There are times when you have to be an asshole being nice all the time gets you nowhere I mean just look around.There's a reason Valve and Bethesda feel they can just pull these type of stunts.

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.

Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

What types?

Hayleyrose2323 · April 26, 2015

Ok being serious here for a second, there isnt much to discuss. Your both on different sides, only thing that can be said is I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OJ YEA? WELL I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I mean he is right, your mind is already made up, he's not gonna change his mind, and neither are you. So why bother going on?

Because that is how intelligent people work. They have a discussion. They analyze each others arguments, find inconsistencies in them, and together come to a greater understanding of the issue.

And don't act like you, or he, can read my mind.

Oh but I can. Your thinking that The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice. BAM thats five bucks please.

Rayblue · April 26, 2015

I am also warning everybody that you better back up your Skyrim files because Steam can change the exe file with an update and fuck everything up for you. I think this is also a possibility in the near future.

Already did that since the last official update (of the .exe and not the CK), made a full backup to a spare drive, knowing that at anytime hard drives can get fucked up without warning.

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Goddamn, Gabe's responses definitely show just how out of reality he is, that he thought money, not passion, should help improve modding.

It isn't. Just look how payware fucked up something like The Sims 3.

Jexsam · April 26, 2015

All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

*zippy57* · April 26, 2015

Ok being serious here for a second, there isnt much to discuss. Your both on different sides, only thing that can be said is I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OJ YEA? WELL I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I mean he is right, your mind is already made up, he's not gonna change his mind, and neither are you. So why bother going on?

Because that is how intelligent people work. They have a discussion. They analyze each others arguments, find inconsistencies in them, and together come to a greater understanding of the issue.

And don't act like you, or he, can read my mind.

Oh but I can. Your thinking that The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice. BAM thats five bucks please.

Yes, but what number am I thinking of?

Yami X · April 26, 2015

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.
Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Do you mean to say that people won't pay for them? Because they are doing that. Do you mean that there is a different reason? Because you haven't actually mentioned what it is.

Your mind is already made up I'm not gonna waste either of our time.

You sound like someone we're making fun of on the nexus right now, only she got boobs...you..you dont..do you? You also sound like someone I just unsubbed on youtube like an hour ago or something... @_@ Im on to you bub, got mah eyes on you. Mhm, i does i does i dooooes.

Is there a reason you're finding something wrong with not wanting to having a pointless discussion? Plus I know who you're talking about.....ouch man! If you hurt my pride like that again you're taking a dwarven warhammer to the knee!

a dwarven warhammer ? (who are you) a riekling who benchpresses ?

maybe.

And modders face what exactly? Something they signed up for? Something they chose to do? In the case of the modders like xilverbulet (Midas Magic) I have no sympathy because he has pulled every free version of his outdated mod and then proceeded to update his mod to get money.
Being an asshole is not okay. It is never okay. It doesn't matter what the other person did. Don't like it? Say your piece politely and/or move on. No one, and I mean no one, should ever have to put up with constant threats and abuse of any kind. Not while we pretend to be part of any sort of civilized society.

There are times when you have to be an asshole being nice all the time gets you nowhere I mean just look around.There's a reason Valve and Bethesda feel they can just pull these type of stunts.

The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice.

Why do I keep running into these types today? If you truly feel that way then there's nothing left to say.

What types?

Not you again........

*ZaZ* · April 26, 2015

I'm not honestly surprised that this Mrs. Darkling dismisses everyone up in arms over this as children. It's way too convenient. She and her ilk are a pox on the community. This entitlement attitude doesn't fall on the users, though we can sometime act like obnoxious little shits. It's all them. If you want to get paid then just don't mod. Users should never feel obliged to owe a cent, especially if upload your stuff for the hoi polloi. Common courtesy is greatly appreciated; Donations would be cool too if the forces that be would let it happen, but nope. Gotta get Valve their money.

I just hope modding remains DRM free just so she can become a "professional modder".

If she actually wants to be paid as a full-time modder, she can apply for a job at Beth or EA -- there's the money, she also already has the portfolio to show for.

Exactly, if you want to get paid making stuff for games, get a job with that dev. Don't just hand over 75% of anything you make to them for doing exactly nothing.

Anyone wants to hire a Pervy Content Creator Like me ?

hire you ? we should of booted the dopes behind skyrim and put you and a few other modders in charge of there company then instead of skyrim it could have been called sexrim

With the Talent that LL Has its probably quite possible to create their own RPG be it adult or non adult

badbat111 · April 26, 2015

I am also warning everybody that you better back up your Skyrim files because Steam can change the exe file with an update and fuck everything up for you. I think this is also a possibility in the near future.

Already did that since the last official update (of the .exe and not the CK), made a full backup to a spare drive, knowing that at anytime hard drives can get fucked up without warning.

i always run steam in offline mode they cant update if there no net connection when i launch there exe

Hayleyrose2323 · April 26, 2015

Ok being serious here for a second, there isnt much to discuss. Your both on different sides, only thing that can be said is I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OJ YEA? WELL I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I mean he is right, your mind is already made up, he's not gonna change his mind, and neither are you. So why bother going on?

Because that is how intelligent people work. They have a discussion. They analyze each others arguments, find inconsistencies in them, and together come to a greater understanding of the issue.

And don't act like you, or he, can read my mind.

Oh but I can. Your thinking that The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice. BAM thats five bucks please.

Yes, but what number am I thinking of?

57 BAM another 5 please.

Zor2k13 · April 26, 2015

@luminar

That is exactly what I was talking about earlier a few pages back or was it another thread lol this stuff is heating up.

*zippy57* · April 26, 2015

57 BAM another 5 please.

Actually, I was thinking of 56.9999999999999999. I think I'll keep my money, thanks.

badbat111 · April 26, 2015

Ok being serious here for a second, there isnt much to discuss. Your both on different sides, only thing that can be said is I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OJ YEA? WELL I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I mean he is right, your mind is already made up, he's not gonna change his mind, and neither are you. So why bother going on?

And don't act like you, or he, can read my mind.

Oh but I can. Your thinking that The reason that Valve and Bethesda feel they can charge for mods is because they can. People will buy them. It's already happening. Is has nothing to do with people being nice. BAM thats five bucks please.

Yes, but what number am I thinking of?

57 BAM another 5 please.

Actually, I was thinking of 56.9999999999999999. I think I'll keep my money, thanks.

well he did round it upto the nearest number

Rayblue · April 26, 2015

All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

There's a difference between this (intangible) and whittling (tangible), the latter you can turn it into a trade -- you can show, you can let the would-be customer see it, touch it, and eventually buy it for a price.

Not so with mods because they're rarely perfect and functional -- especially if it's driven by scripts, and the would-be customer doesn't know until he paid for it and installs that mod, like YMMV.

Jexsam · April 26, 2015

And for the love of God spoiler your quote bricks. My scrolling finger can only take so much!

Zor2k13 · April 26, 2015

@badbat1111

It is not enough to run in offline mod you actually have to either disable your network adapter or unplug the internet from your pc to really be offline.

*zippy57* · April 26, 2015

well he did round it upto the nearest number

Yes, but as they say: Close, but no lung cancer. Or something to that effect.

Yami X · April 26, 2015

All this argument later and I still haven't seen a real reason modders couldn't choose to ask for money. Everyone either cites community dogma of "we just shouldn't!" or avoids the question entirely.

Do I have to keep mentioning the whittler before someone actually stops to consider why I'm making that comparison?

I thought all of the arguments of this being a negative was discussed at the beginning of this thread?

Personally I don't give a damn if a modder asks for money.I just would prefer you make your intentions clear from the get go and give me the option to say no instead of taking me for a ride I didn't ask to get on.The funny part though all this I'm pretty sure we'll still being getting quality mods in the future that won't cost a dime.

As far as the community the split is already here to stay.

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