Deathmaw Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46130-steam-a-bit-late-on-their-aprils-fool-joke/?p=1153051 this is a joke, right? if 1 million users, donate a dollar to one modder, then he gets so much money, that he no longer has to work. he would make more money than a games developer and such a thing should not be. 1 million donators... ya, sure and now lets stop dreaming and wake up... The thing is that you will have to pay much more than 1$ to actually give the modder 1$ because of that 75% business, for example that 5$ would give the modder 1.25$ but personally i think its not enough and even makes the modder look desperate, so to really make a difference we would need to pay 10$ for wet and cold for example so that the modder could make a real honorable profit and continue his work flawlessly.. No offense but i'm really touched how suddenly everyone started to care about modders... that 25% is still at least 10 times more compared to what they get from donations. And trust me that 25% revenue was an object of quite fiery discussion over the last month. I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others. Putting up a donation page is fine. Yes you will get the occasional donation, no it probably wont be that much. But it is there as extra money for doing something you should enjoy and love. So many modders have put in so much more time than a lot of the mods on the workshop for sale right now and are not and will not ask for money for their mods. That is because they make the mods that they enjoy and to make other happy. It is a hobby to them, not a way to make money. We do care for the modders. Not donating doesn't mean we don't care. But being a modder and asking someone to give you money for a mod is just wrong. Especially when some of said mods are selling for more than some indie games.
winny257 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46130-steam-a-bit-late-on-their-aprils-fool-joke/?p=1153051 this is a joke, right? if 1 million users, donate a dollar to one modder, then he gets so much money, that he no longer has to work. he would make more money than a games developer and such a thing should not be. 1 million donators... ya, sure and now lets stop dreaming and wake up... ---snip--- why am I dreaming? do you think it is not possible, I think you should wake up! it is even more possible. Only one example: 7,069,606 downloads http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2666/?
HopliteZ Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46130-steam-a-bit-late-on-their-aprils-fool-joke/?p=1153051 this is a joke, right? if 1 million users, donate a dollar to one modder, then he gets so much money, that he no longer has to work. he would make more money than a games developer and such a thing should not be. 1 million donators... ya, sure and now lets stop dreaming and wake up... The thing is that you will have to pay much more than 1$ to actually give the modder 1$ because of that 75% business, for example that 5$ would give the modder 1.25$ but personally i think its not enough and even makes the modder look desperate, so to really make a difference we would need to pay 10$ for wet and cold for example so that the modder could make a real honorable profit and continue his work flawlessly.. No offense but i'm really touched how suddenly everyone started to care about modders... that 25% is still at least 10 times more compared to what they get from donations. And trust me that 25% revenue was an object of quite fiery discussion over the last month. Yeah i spent over 1500$ on my steam account since i registered, i don't see a problem in donating 10$ to a certain modder if his work is super awesome, i don't understand where you get that cynical "stick up my arse" attitude. when there is finally a viable easy way to support modders through steam Valve and Bethesda take a 75% cut, no thank you, im not going to give modders those 25% because im not going to feed Valve's and Bethesda's greed, donating through sites like nexus was always clunky and i think thats why many people avoided donating to developers.. yeah but after your comment i may reconsider my desire to donate.
spoonsinger Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46130-steam-a-bit-late-on-their-aprils-fool-joke/?p=1153051 this is a joke, right? if 1 million users, donate a dollar to one modder, then he gets so much money, that he no longer has to work. he would make more money than a games developer and such a thing should not be. 1 million donators... ya, sure and now lets stop dreaming and wake up... The thing is that you will have to pay much more than 1$ to actually give the modder 1$ because of that 75% business, for example that 5$ would give the modder 1.25$ but personally i think its not enough and even makes the modder look desperate, so to really make a difference we would need to pay 10$ for wet and cold for example so that the modder could make a real honorable profit and continue his work flawlessly.. No offense but i'm really touched how suddenly everyone started to care about modders... that 25% is still at least 10 times more compared to what they get from donations. And trust me that 25% revenue was an object of quite fiery discussion over the last month. I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others. Putting up a donation page is fine. Yes you will get the occasional donation, no it probably wont be that much. But it is there as extra money for doing something you should enjoy and love. So many modders have put in so much more time than a lot of the mods on the workshop for sale right now and are not and will not ask for money for their mods. That is because they make the mods that they enjoy and to make other happy. It is a hobby to them, not a way to make money. We do care for the modders. Not donating doesn't mean we don't care. But being a modder and asking someone to give you money for a mod is just wrong. Especially when some of said mods are selling for more than some indie games. Re :- " I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others." Sorry that's just bolloxs. If someone wants to make money regardless of what they do for their day job, it's up to them. I code for a living because it's a) fun, (erm sometimes), beats working in a field in winter. However if I did something else and did coding as a sideline, who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't do. (even if I'm getting screwed by the publisher). The potential problem with the situation is that the whole development cycle gets closed off because of the distribution channel. (i.e. you can't use their IDE and publish something freely). That sort of thing went out with legal judgements against IBM way back when.
winny257 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46130-steam-a-bit-late-on-their-aprils-fool-joke/?p=1153051 this is a joke, right? if 1 million users, donate a dollar to one modder, then he gets so much money, that he no longer has to work. he would make more money than a games developer and such a thing should not be. 1 million donators... ya, sure and now lets stop dreaming and wake up... The thing is that you will have to pay much more than 1$ to actually give the modder 1$ because of that 75% business, for example that 5$ would give the modder 1.25$ but personally i think its not enough and even makes the modder look desperate, so to really make a difference we would need to pay 10$ for wet and cold for example so that the modder could make a real honorable profit and continue his work flawlessly.. No offense but i'm really touched how suddenly everyone started to care about modders... that 25% is still at least 10 times more compared to what they get from donations. And trust me that 25% revenue was an object of quite fiery discussion over the last month. I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others. Putting up a donation page is fine. Yes you will get the occasional donation, no it probably wont be that much. But it is there as extra money for doing something you should enjoy and love. So many modders have put in so much more time than a lot of the mods on the workshop for sale right now and are not and will not ask for money for their mods. That is because they make the mods that they enjoy and to make other happy. It is a hobby to them, not a way to make money. We do care for the modders. Not donating doesn't mean we don't care. But being a modder and asking someone to give you money for a mod is just wrong. Especially when some of said mods are selling for more than some indie games. forget not to mention that the modder then their modding must be register as a and then also taxes should pay. edit: it would have otherwise earned black money. that like the mafia, not at all.
yatol Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 why am I dreaming? do you think it is not possible, I think you should wake up! it is even more possible. Only one example: 7,069,606 downloads http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2666/? and those 3.5 millions unique download are for all files (the ones that got deleted too) if you get 10 000 downloads for a mod that is a 500 mo file if you cut it in 100 mo parts, you'll get 50 000 downloads if you make 5 upgrade in a year, you are at 500 000 downloads now and if you had to pay to download, there would be less downloads
Vault77Dweller Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 It seems that these days companies are competing for the "Worst company ever" title... Anyways here's a meme I made.
guk Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 SkyUI going pay2play as well: http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1516818-discussion-for-workshop-paid-mods-thread-4/page-5?do=findComment&comment=23943540
yatol Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 SkyUI going pay2play as well: http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1516818-discussion-for-workshop-paid-mods-thread-4/page-5?do=findComment&comment=23943540 this isn't a problem, many already have skyui the problem would be some edits to make mods that use old version not working with the new this would generate 2 things - buyable mods only compatibles with the buyable skyui - free mods only compatibles with the free version it's one of the fail of that system
winny257 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 why am I dreaming? do you think it is not possible, I think you should wake up! it is even more possible. Only one example: 7,069,606 downloads http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2666/? and those 3.5 millions unique download are for all files (the ones that got deleted too) if you get 10 000 downloads for a mod that is a 500 mo file if you cut it in 100 mo parts, you'll get 50 000 downloads if you make 5 upgrade in a year, you are at 500 000 downloads now and if you had to pay to download, there would be less downloads Then please explain to me what "TOTAL DLS" means, I do not have it such with the English, sorry.
Deathmaw Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Re :- " I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others." Sorry that's just bolloxs. If someone wants to make money regardless of what they do for their day job, it's up to them. I code for a living because it's a) fun, (erm sometimes), beats working in a field in winter. However if I did something else and did coding as a sideline, who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't do. (even if I'm getting screwed by the publisher). The potential problem with the situation is that the whole development cycle gets closed off because of the distribution channel. (i.e. you can't use their IDE and publish something freely). That sort of thing went out with legal judgements against IBM way back when. I didn't say you couldn't do it. I'm saying it goes against the established ethos of what modding is. It will ruin the community and PC modding as a whole. If you are happy with that, then by all means do it. I didn't say you couldn't, just don't expect the modding community to be happy about it.
Vault77Dweller Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 SkyUI going pay2play as well: http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1516818-discussion-for-workshop-paid-mods-thread-4/page-5?do=findComment&comment=23943540 I'm just waiting for someone to sent them threats. I know it sounds mean but I want someone to sent them threats from some crime movies. Something like this :"Get this through your head you Jew motherfuckers, you! You only exist out here because of us! That's the only reason! Without *us*, you, personally, every fuckin' wise guy skell around'll take a piece of your fuckin' Jew asses! Then where you gonna go? You're fuckin' warned! Don't ever go over our fuckin' heads again! You motherfuckers, you". Again, I know it's mean but it would be funny as hell .
guk Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 this isn't a problem, many already have skyui the problem would be some edits to make mods that use old version not working with the new this would generate 2 things - buyable mods only compatibles with the buyable skyui - free mods only compatibles with the free version it's one of the fail of that system Yeah probably not everyone is aware of this, this means that every mod that uses MCM is affected. Will modders make 2 versions of their mod - one for the P2P Premium Edition, one for the Nexus Welfare Edition ?
zzz72w3r Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 I think some of the arguments are getting off track. Even in the worst case scenario where game assets and mods are managed from a sever instead of on the client side free mods will still be feasible. Neither Valve nor Bethesda can and will force authors to charge for mods if the author chose not to even if they have complete control of the ecosystem. That's idiotic and bad for business. Sure many authors will leave the ecosystem out of principal but no technical or business barrier will likely exist to kill off free mods on their platform. When you make blank statements saying I have said number of mods installed and that's too much money, or that I will never pay for mods what you are really saying is that mods you used and enjoyed aren't worth this or that, you just insulted anyone who has ever made a mod for you. The issue should not be about whether mods have value but on how authors can be compensated without poisoning the well. The fact is that Nexus donation scheme has not worked otherwise you wouldn't have modders jumping ship for a measly 25%.
aqqh Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 why am I dreaming? do you think it is not possible, I think you should wake up! it is even more possible. Only one example: 7,069,606 downloads http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2666/? can you please ask them then how many ferraris have they bought already from these millions they get in donations? i'm curious.
modslave Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Every mod that goes pay to play that is worth having will have a competitor free version literally faster than the original mod can generate any profit. You can't get a copyright on derivative code, and you certainly can't get a double click patent. And sure people will be like "hey, yo, DudeX is totally ripping off DudeY's mod" and other people will be like "yeah, but least DudeX isn't charging for it". You can't stop people from writing original code that emulates established mods. Believe me, I know, I've been a scripter in Second Life for over ten years. Say hello to FreeUI.
spoonsinger Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Re :- " I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others." Sorry that's just bolloxs. If someone wants to make money regardless of what they do for their day job, it's up to them. I code for a living because it's a) fun, (erm sometimes), beats working in a field in winter. However if I did something else and did coding as a sideline, who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't do. (even if I'm getting screwed by the publisher). The potential problem with the situation is that the whole development cycle gets closed off because of the distribution channel. (i.e. you can't use their IDE and publish something freely). That sort of thing went out with legal judgements against IBM way back when. I didn't say you couldn't do it. I'm saying it goes against the established ethos of what modding is. It will ruin the community and PC modding as a whole. If you are happy with that, then by all means do it. I didn't say you couldn't, just don't expect the modding community to be happy about it. Oh wow! you're like one of those 'community leaders' you see on the TV representing the whole. Well good for you. I hope you don't get a carcinogenic melanoma from the moral glow.
pinky6225 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Re :- " I'm sorry but if you are making mods for the money, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. Expecting to get money off of your hobby is quite frankly entitled. Hobbies should be things that you enjoy, you should be making a mod you want for yourself not for others." Sorry that's just bolloxs. If someone wants to make money regardless of what they do for their day job, it's up to them. I code for a living because it's a) fun, (erm sometimes), beats working in a field in winter. However if I did something else and did coding as a sideline, who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't do. (even if I'm getting screwed by the publisher). The potential problem with the situation is that the whole development cycle gets closed off because of the distribution channel. (i.e. you can't use their IDE and publish something freely). That sort of thing went out with legal judgements against IBM way back when. I didn't say you couldn't do it. I'm saying it goes against the established ethos of what modding is. It will ruin the community and PC modding as a whole. If you are happy with that, then by all means do it. I didn't say you couldn't, just don't expect the modding community to be happy about it. So all the people that make something for their hobby (know someone who makes jewellery in her spare time) aren't allowed to sell it? Since this is the first time i've heard that a hobby must be a not for profit operation
Trickle Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Looks like Chesko had a change of heart. http://pllqt.it/rJYQ6M
yatol Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 why am I dreaming? do you think it is not possible, I think you should wake up! it is even more possible. Only one example: 7,069,606 downloads http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/2666/? and those 3.5 millions unique download are for all files (the ones that got deleted too) if you get 10 000 downloads for a mod that is a 500 mo file if you cut it in 100 mo parts, you'll get 50 000 downloads if you make 5 upgrade in a year, you are at 500 000 downloads now and if you had to pay to download, there would be less downloads Then please explain to me what "TOTAL DLS" means, I do not have it such with the English, sorry. cbbe 1.0, a downloads cbbe 1.1, b downloads cbbe 1.1 with a pikachu on the arm, c dowloads cbbe 1.2 2k d downloads cbbe 1.2 4k e downloads cbbe 1.2 uncompressed f downloads total download, it's just all that you download a mod, you install it, later, you break your game and reinstall it where did you put that mod? unless the mod is big, it's faster to re download it, now that mod have 2 downloads from you unique download is for that
Deathmaw Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 So all the people that make something for their hobby (know someone who makes jewellery in her spare time) aren't allowed to sell it? Since this is the first time i've heard that a hobby must be a not for profit operation Once again. I didn't say they aren't allowed to sell it. I'm saying don't expect people to be happy that content that has been free for well over 15+ years is now going behind a paywall. Your friend that makes jewellery does she make the it because she enjoys making it or because she can sell it? If she makes it so she can sell it, it inst a hobby its work. If she enjoys it and would keep doing it whether she makes money or not then that is a different case. She probably sells them so she can buy more materials to make more. A physical example is on a different level to a digital one, but I get the point you are trying to make.
D_ManXX2 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 i hope modders who take this road know what they get them selfs into ?? once people start to pay for a mod they better have a fullt woring mod and not beta / alpha. Modders getting paid is no longer a modder but a buisness person so expect whining customers if the product is not working as intended.
Deathmaw Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 Looks like Chesko had a change of heart. http://pllqt.it/rJYQ6M As posted above. New info from Chesko about the whole thing.: http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/33qcaj/the_experiment_has_failed_my_exit_from_the/
pinky6225 Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 So all the people that make something for their hobby (know someone who makes jewellery in her spare time) aren't allowed to sell it? Since this is the first time i've heard that a hobby must be a not for profit operation Once again. I didn't say they aren't allowed to sell it. I'm saying don't expect people to be happy that content that has been free for well over 15+ years is now going behind a paywall. Your friend that makes jewellery does she make the it because she enjoys making it or because she can sell it? If she makes it so she can sell it, it inst a hobby its work. If she enjoys it and would keep doing it whether she makes money or not then that is a different case. She probably sells them so she can buy more materials to make more. A physical example is on a different level to a digital one, but I get the point you are trying to make. Skyrim hasn't been around 15 years dude My friend makes them as she enjoys making jewellery but as the space she has available is finite she can't keep everything and as every one of her friends that likes the stuff she makes already have shed loads of the stuff giving it away became unviable (except at a cost of her paying postage etc) She could throw the stuff away but i'm yet to encounter a single person that makes something that wants to then bin it (probably are some people out their that do this tho) You say that a physical and a digit comparions are not valid, why? Both have an inital out lay (PC + game + electricity for digital, jewellery kits + soldering iron and solder + electricity for physical) and both are done for the fun of it so in what way are they not comparable?
Guest endgameaddiction Posted April 24, 2015 Posted April 24, 2015 SkyUI going pay2play as well: http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1516818-discussion-for-workshop-paid-mods-thread-4/page-5?do=findComment&comment=23943540 I'm just waiting for someone to sent them threats. I know it sounds mean but I want someone to sent them threats from some crime movies. Something like this :"Get this through your head you Jew motherfuckers, you! You only exist out here because of us! That's the only reason! Without *us*, you, personally, every fuckin' wise guy skell around'll take a piece of your fuckin' Jew asses! Then where you gonna go? You're fuckin' warned! Don't ever go over our fuckin' heads again! You motherfuckers, you". Again, I know it's mean but it would be funny as hell . Chesko already has opted out of this. He's been receiving threats.
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