Deviously Cursed Loot LE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[DonQuiWho]

On 4/14/2018 at 7:58 AM, Lupine00 said:

I have a recurring issue; it's happened under many different game setups, with a wide variety of other mods installed. (This is running unmodified DCL 6.3).

 

At some point, DCL events stop happening. It's obviously hard to tell exactly when they stopped in each game, but after a while you notice something is missing.

 

Loot events, misogyny, and the main rape feature all stop triggering, and the messages that you get about rape triggers also stop (no more messages about how people might noticce you naked, it's dark, etc).

 

Combat defeats do not stop working.

 

 

I had a similar problem, except in reverse, ie combat rape appeared to stop working, but everything else was OK

 

Just in case, I tried your solution ie, hitting the 'FREE ME' debug option, and that seemed to fix the combat experience, ie the base mechanics now seem to work

 

@Kimy While that's true, I have the 'Hardcore' options setting disabled, ie uncrossed, but I'm still getting some of the hardcore options kicking in.  At least inside most dungeons, you get kicked back to the start - as opposed to being dumped in the wilderness as happens in some other - but I definitely got all my stuff stolen, irrespective of that supposedly being disabled.  I know that you said you'd have a look at all that, and this isn't meant to pester you about it! but rather just provide a little more feedback as to what seems to be squiff in case something gives you that 'Eureka!' moment.  Or more probably, that 'uurghmmeekaahhh!' moment  

 

 

[Rynnes Master]

20 minutes ago, donkeywho said:

I had a similar problem, except in reverse, ie combat rape appeared to stop working, but everything else was OK

 

Just in case, I tried your solution ie, hitting the 'FREE ME' debug option, and that seemed to fix the combat experience, ie the base mechanics now seem to work

 

@Kimy While that's true, I have the 'Hardcore' options setting disabled, ie uncrossed, but I'm still getting some of the hardcore options kicking in.  At least inside most dungeons, you get kicked back to the start - as opposed to being dumped in the wilderness as happens in some other - but I definitely got all my stuff stolen, irrespective of that supposedly being disabled.  I know that you said you'd have a look at all that, and this isn't meant to pester you about it! but rather just provide a little more feedback as to what seems to be squiff in case something gives you that 'Eureka!' moment.  Or more probably, that 'uurghmmeekaahhh!' moment  

 

 

I also have this issue (my current play through is over 4500 saves long with a 36 meg save file, and I attribute some of the cause to a v.e.r.y large load order.  When DCL stops activating when I think it should be, hitting the free me option seems to put it back in gear from idle.  Why?   I have no idea.  Shutting my game down and coming back later to continue play *seems* to be the cause of the idle.

[Reesewow]

4 minutes ago, Rynnes Master said:

I also have this issue (my current play through is over 4500 saves long with a 36 meg save file, and I attribute some of the cause to a v.e.r.y large load order.  When DCL stops activating when I think it should be, hitting the free me option seems to put it back in gear from idle.  Why?   I have no idea.  Shutting my game down and coming back later to continue play *seems* to be the cause of the idle.

It is probably something getting stuck script-wise due to an overloaded game.  On rare occasions I've noticed that DCUL seems to not be firing as often as it should, and usually if I check the papyrus logs I'll see something like "DCUL event aborted.  Update in progress" or such.  This has always cleared itself up eventually, and the Free Me option would probably work as a jump-start since it resets all the quests that might be causing DCUL to be holding back on triggering traps.

[SkyAddiction]

3 hours ago, Kimy said:

There are some checks meant to allow SD and DCL run better together, but I added these literally years ago, so I don't know if they are still sufficient.

 

I stopped using SD, so I need users to report issues to me, otherwise I am very unlikely to get aware of them. I got asked to add a direct path into SD from DCL's combat defeat a few times, and I might add that in the next version. I can achieve this using the same ModEvent trigger I already use for the "SD trap" that's already in DCL. I will also make sure that this outcome is used only if the player isn't yet wearing any quest devices and will remove generic ones before handing the player over to SD.

 

Will that do?

 

Absolutely, and it's precisely what I suggested as one of the people asking for it.

 

It's actually not a DCL problem, it's a defeat mod problem. DA is the only mod that can generally transfer a player to both SS and SD+, but it causes so many impossible-to-trace issues that I've permanently blacklisted it in my load order. SS does precisely what it's supposed to do, and can't by function be responsible for the player's state upon arrival because a player who should be ineligible should never be sent to SS in the first place.

 

Submit isn't actively developed; neither is Defeat. DA is right out, and Devious Surrender is only intermittently updated while also lacking the functionality to forward the player to other mods. I asked you if you'd be willing to add SD+ and device/quest device checks to DCL because... you actually have the only DA-like function that exists in an actively developed mod. Hell, it's even possible to turn off everything in DCL but  combat surrender and use it purely as a defeat mod. It doesn't hurt that combat surrender works really, really well.

 

Anyway, thanks again for this. It'll allow SS and SD+ to work the way they were intended, and that cuts out a lot of MCM and console work for the player (most of which new users would never know to do) while also allowing game events to flow more naturally.

[WaxenFigure]

19 hours ago, LucentShard said:

 

I just tried with sleeping rape.

Debug messages on upper left corner of screen:
- "You are getting pulled out of bed by strong hands"
- "You are getting pushed down"

NPC shows up, shows me on the ground with hands tied, I am untied and NPC walks away.

Opened up Console command to check for messages:
No new messages at all. No sexlab messages at all.

 

Then you are going to have to turn on Papyrus logging and provide the log file.

[TajZ]

On 4/14/2018 at 12:17 AM, Lucair said:

I have a minor issue.

I'm doing the being enslaved by Leon, but when I ask him to remove devices, he said he will, but nothing gets removed. o^o

Hey Lucair, might not be the best person to respond, but I have been doing a play through as Leah's slave. I get this too, but I think it is it just takes a VERY long time to progress.

 

Spent about 3-6 in-game days in absolute worst disposition and either removed ONLY armbinder or ONLY gag (one or the the other). On the next level dispostion 'naughty and need more training' I was in this phase for abuot 25 days ATLEAST.

 

Would get remove gear 2-3 times in a 24 hr period and didn't always do anything - to my experience this happens when immediately afterwards the twin will give prompt 'Do you want to bind me tight so I don't misbehave?' If that triggers, you lose the all your stored 'favor' to remove item and get placed back into suit, gag, boots, etc.

 

The danger if this prompt shows up, AND you DON'T bind tightly - then you fail check. I am currently at 'sometimes you are good girl and sometimes you are naughty' disposition - my only equipped items now are corset, belt and nipple/vaginal piercings. 'Bind Tight' puts me back in boots, gag, full chastity and suit. If I don't get items removed, going into a dungeon and then prompt USUALLY works. (sorry if really long-winded).

[DonQuiWho]

4 hours ago, Rynnes Master said:

I also have this issue (my current play through is over 4500 saves long with a 36 meg save file, and I attribute some of the cause to a v.e.r.y large load order.  When DCL stops activating when I think it should be, hitting the free me option seems to put it back in gear from idle.  Why?   I have no idea.  Shutting my game down and coming back later to continue play *seems* to be the cause of the idle.

Maybe @Kimy should just add another option in the debug menu called 'Press this if anything seems Wrong', and get it to do exactly the same thing as 'Free Me'. 

 

It would save her a lot of time, and most people would probably be happy with the end result.... 

[Atlas1998]

Hi, I'm having some weird issues where trying to enter an inn results in a sudden CTD. Looking at the papyrus log seems to suggest that it's a DCL issue, but I'm uncertain. Here's my load order, list of active plugins, and the latest papyrus log.

loadorder.txt

plugins.txt

Papyrus.3.log

[ZoneTanIsLove]

11 hours ago, Slagblah said:

On the Miscellaneous Options page, it's the "Restraints Drop Chance".

Thanks, I found it.

Do you know how to disable NPCs coming up to me and asking to tie me up?

[El_Duderino]

5 hours ago, Atlas1998 said:

Hi, I'm having some weird issues where trying to enter an inn results in a sudden CTD. Looking at the papyrus log seems to suggest that it's a DCL issue, but I'm uncertain. Here's my load order, list of active plugins, and the latest papyrus log.

loadorder.txt

plugins.txt

Papyrus.3.log

That log looks quite healthy to me. And no, just because that DCL has the last word in the log, doesn't mean that it's culprit. Skyrim logs are not crash logs, they only record things that executed fully (with or without errors). When the game crashes, whatever caused will in most cases not find its way into the log.

 

Are you using Crash Fixes? You should give it a try if you aren't.

 

Does the CTD happen at one specific inn only, or at any inn? If the first is the case, then you could first try using the "player.coc [Cell name]" console command to enter it. You can find the cell name by using the "help" command in the console (for example, searching "help banneredmare" ought to bring up the full CELL name of the Bannered Mare). Though I should add that this method only worked for me in the past when going the other way around, trying to work around a CTD when *exiting* an interior cell.

 

There's also the "resetinterior [cell ID]" console command to reset any interior location to its original state (including NPCs, objects and everything). For this one, you'll need the interior's ID number (both editorID and formID will work), so in this case too you can get the right ID with the "help" command.

[LazyBoot]

2 hours ago, ZoneTanIsLove said:

Thanks, I found it.

Do you know how to disable NPCs coming up to me and asking to tie me up?

Either turn off "device comments" or start wearing devices when talking to npcs.

[ZoneTanIsLove]

4 minutes ago, LazyBoot said:

Either turn off "device comments" or start wearing devices when talking to npcs.

It's basically that I'll start talking to an NPC and they'll basically demand to start fucking my character.

[LazyBoot]

23 minutes ago, ZoneTanIsLove said:

It's basically that I'll start talking to an NPC and they'll basically demand to start fucking my character.

Like I said, if you turn off "device comments" they will stop asking to tie you up.

But if you want to keep the comments, then the only other way is to wear devices.

[ZoneTanIsLove]

3 minutes ago, LazyBoot said:

Like I said, if you turn off "device comments" they will stop asking to tie you up.

But if you want to keep the comments, then the only other way is to wear devices.

Okie, thanks!

[LucentShard]

12 hours ago, WaxenFigure said:

 

Then you are going to have to turn on Papyrus logging and provide the log file.

Not sure if I did this right but here is the Papyrus log.

Right at the bottom, it says
[DCUR] Rape event aborted: No fitting animations found. [04/16/2018 - 06:32:14PM]
 

Papyrus.0.log

[Lupine00]

16 hours ago, Kimy said:

I stopped using SD, so I need users to report issues to me, otherwise I am very unlikely to get aware of them. I got asked to add a direct path into SD from DCL's combat defeat a few times, and I might add that in the next version. I can achieve this using the same ModEvent trigger I already use for the "SD trap" that's already in DCL. I will also make sure that this outcome is used only if the player isn't yet wearing any quest devices and will remove generic ones before handing the player over to SD.

I don't know if you simply disable all DCL events if there's an SD+ collar, and re-enable if released, but that's probably about the safest thing?

Personally, if in an SD+ enslavement I manually turn of DCL events, and disable any other features I think might be a hazard based on the situation.

 

The SD+ problems mostly involve pre-existing state at the time of enslavement: items that you might be wearing that would tend to make SD+ slavery awkward, broken, lethal, or simply conflicting.

 

As you're likely aware, SD+ adds gags, yokes, and armbinders as punishments, so if those slots get blocked by a quest item, it can cause problems just like the collar.

 

I don't know what SD+ does right now when you have a DCL quest collar on and SD+ wants to enslave you, but what it did for me last time I made the mistake of letting that happen (under 6.1, around the end of last year) SD+ enslaved anyway, and behaved as if the DCL quest collar was its own, but when it got removed, it was if I was wearing a phantom SD+ collar that had no way to remove it because it didn't exactly exist.

 

 

I already mentioned struggles with surviving getting enslaved in SD+, if you're using DCL combat defeat. It doesn't really work well, or often, at all. I think I already covered why. It's not a bug, it's just DCL doing its own thing so you can't manually surrender in SD+.

 

SS often seems to hang trying to port you, either into the auction or out of it. I would imagine that's entirely an SS problem. SS also seems to have problems modifying factions sometimes, and may port you into the warlock scenario with the warlocks fully hostile, in which case you get murdered immediately, similarly with bandits, vampires, and so on. SS can spin this off as "script lag" and "installation problem" but I don't buy it. It's always particular scripts that lag whenever there is script lag. I rarely run many mods, and my computer is pushing the limits of the possible in terms of non-overclocked performance.

 

As for SS and followers, the follower gets ported to the auction with you, but isn't sold. If the follower is a DCL dominant follower, you'll still be wearing their irremovable gear. You need to FREE ME before you start the SS auction, or it ends badly. Not only are you left suck in items, the follower is confused. It's easy to forget to do FREE ME if you don't expect the follower to be there, or aren't thinking about items you might have on. If you start an SS auction with DCL items on, there will be problems that mostly revolve around you being stuck in restraints that probably shouldn't have been sold with you, which may well make your slavery impossible to escape, quickly fatal, or simply unsatisfactory.

 

Most of these issues are pretty obvious as soon as you're in a situation where it can happen, but the correct way to resolve them is unclear. While removing the items allows the game to move forward, it often seems like a cheap escape.

 

 

Most problems are in no way DCL specific, but any quest item that locks in place and can't be removed is a potential conflict waiting to happen. Mechanic designs that don't rely on that are always more interoperable than ones that do. DCL dominant follower items are a case in point here. The only benefit to making them impossible to remove is that you don't have to check to see if they've been removed. Making them escapable and checking would cause fewer conflicts and be more fun too. Then you could remove them and get in trouble for it.

 

 

Where it does get DCL specific is combat defeat. It's not possible for the player to fudge in their own outcome because there's no way to ask DCL-cd to simply pacify enemies and give you a window to manually surrender via SD+ or POP; nor does it support either of those outcomes directly. The unnecessary porting of SS causes problems of its own, and prevents "slavery in place" for SD+ defeats.

 

But that's not something broken in DCL, it's just something it doesn't set out to support. If there were direct SD+ support then that issue would vanish.

 

As for POP, and its occasional failure for guards to stop attacking when you're trying to surrender, is probably a POP+scriptlag problem, but it interacts with DCL-cd, and you get killed, health-refilled, killed, health-refilled on repeat, until the guards eventually pacify, or you manage to surrender or make an escape. Maybe DCL is trying to support POP, but it seems not to work reliably.

 

 

DCL needs to make a "call" with combat defeat. If you're wearing items, and it wants to send you to SS, it should strip the items. If the items are quest-flagged, or blocking, and can't be stripped, it should not send you to SS, but should pick another outcome. If it ever supports SD+ directly, the same applies. You should probably just get a wilderness dump instead.

 

Off topic, if you're wearing a corset+belt, and items are stripped, at the end, check for corset still present and try to strip it again. So many times I've ended up stuck in a quest corset that didn't strip properly, either from dominant follower, or LBA. Also happens with regular corsets, but with lighter consequences. In that case you aren't forced to FREE ME.

 

[Lupine00]

15 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

Absolutely, and it's precisely what I suggested as one of the people asking for it.

 

It's actually not a DCL problem, it's a defeat mod problem. DA is the only mod that can generally transfer a player to both SS and SD+, but it causes so many impossible-to-trace issues that I've permanently blacklisted it in my load order. SS does precisely what it's supposed to do, and can't by function be responsible for the player's state upon arrival because a player who should be ineligible should never be sent to SS in the first place.

 

Submit isn't actively developed; neither is Defeat. DA is right out, and Devious Surrender is only intermittently updated while also lacking the functionality to forward the player to other mods. I asked you if you'd be willing to add SD+ and device/quest device checks to DCL because... you actually have the only DA-like function that exists in an actively developed mod. Hell, it's even possible to turn off everything in DCL but  combat surrender and use it purely as a defeat mod. It doesn't hurt that combat surrender works really, really well.

 

Anyway, thanks again for this. It'll allow SS and SD+ to work the way they were intended, and that cuts out a lot of MCM and console work for the player (most of which new users would never know to do) while also allowing game events to flow more naturally.

This is very true.

 

I also think mods other than DCL need to make more effort. I don't agree that SS is blameless. It makes a decision to abandon responsibility, which is an easy path to take... For SS, but not for everyone else. SS could have had a path to deal with inappropriate sale items. It just doesn't.

 

Also, blocking items could be written to be interruptible, if authors wanted. I know it takes time, but once it's done the infrastructure is there.

 

And there are plenty of times that an item is made quest or blocking when it was not strictly necessary. I'm not looking particularly at DCL; it's a common pattern.

[Fenroo]

Kudos to the creator, this is a work of genius and my favorite Skyrim mod ever! 

I see other people making suggestions and requests and would like to include one as well.

Is there any way to indulge the fetish for orgasm denial? I've mostly been messing around with Sasha, and when my character is belted, sometimes Sasha will activate the vibrators and stop short of orgasmic bliss, and sometimes she pushes my character over the edge. Is there any way to change the percentages of this happening? Specifically to make it lower? Since it's super exciting to have a completely frustrated slave and a completely satisfied domme. Maybe she'll decline to ever remove the belt as well? 

Anyone have any other advice or input?

[Lupine00]

On a new topic. Some random ideas for combat defeat outcomes...

 

 

Sold to Orcs

 

You're ported to a random orc stronghold.

You start naked, wearing random devices, but none are special or high-security.

The orcs have all your stuff in a locked chest. You do not have the key.

Key is on the chief.

You can get the key by any practical means - theft, murder, console cheating, or any one of several "completion" criteria:

• The chief will let you have the key if you can beat him in a brawl. Might be hard, naked and in devices, or maybe not.
• The chief will let you have the key if you bring him 500 septims (at level 1, scales up).
• The chief will let you have the key after sex with you <random number> times (7 - 13 for example) - after which he decides you're no good for breeding good orc babies and gets rid of you.
• The chief will you have they key if you bring him a set of items, such as 5 bear pelts, or 10 sabre-cat pelts, or 10 frostbite venom, etc etc. as this convinces him you aren't just a useless animal, but a proper person, like an orc.

 

You're totally allowed to just run away, but then you lose all your stuff. (The orcs take some measures to stop your escape, whatever is convenient to implement, but nothing too difficult to overcome).

You never get your cash back, if you had any.

If you get caught stealing from the orcs you get devices as punishments (from a list with stuff like armbinder, yoke, slave boots, ankle chains, ring gag).

If you get caught stealing twice, you get a high security yoke, and your probable only escape is meeting the sex count.

You cannot use solicitation on anyone until you either get the key, or get to an inn. Stops you easily farming the orcs for cash and paying them off with it. This might simply be the result of a collar that strangely, only the chief's key, or an innkeeper can remove ... all innkeepers have a key for this collar ... because nonsense!

It's fine if you use solicitation in the inn to raise cash for the chief and then take it back to him, you just can't use it on orcs from the stronghold.

It's a safe container, and your stuff can sit there, potentially indefinitely.

The container eats all copies of the key when you open it.

The orc chief respawns with a key when the cell resets.

Just getting the key doesn't make the orcs remove any devices, that's your problem.

 

Optionally, instead of the collar, make it so solicitation simply isn't possible in orc strongholds. Which seems lore friendly.

 

 

 

The whore collar

 

You're ported to a random inn, from the short list of inns that actually have patrons.

There is nothing stopping you leaving the inn, or the town, except skill debuffs - see below.

The collar eats all your money to start with.

The collar needs to eat <amount> extra septims before it will unlock.

The collar only counts money you make from solicitation towards its unlock target, but all other money you earn (from selling to vendors for example) accumulates normally.

The collar feeds you food and drink whenever you earn money through solicitation.

The collar punishes you for wearing clothes, except for devices that lock, and certain non-magical, zero armor, dollmaker dresses.

The collar is highly arousing to the wearer and people nearby.

The collar inflicts a hefty penalty on various skills; the only skills not severely impaired are speech, alchemy, sneak, pickpocket and enchanting.

(Optionally collar will count money you steal with pickpocket towards its escape total too, because it's in genre).

The skill penalty is harsh enough to make most combat very dangerous and difficult, no matter your specialisation or gear.

 

If guards arrest you for public indecency, they know how to remove the collar while you are in prison, and put it back on you when you're due to be released.

If this happens, the target is reset, so you have to start over again.

[Kimy]

18 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

It's actually not a DCL problem, it's a defeat mod problem. DA is the only mod that can generally transfer a player to both SS and SD+,

No, it's not. I wrote DCL's combat surrender to be a replacement for DA, which I dumped from my load order for the exact same reason you did. DCL can perform hand-overs to both SD and SS, but as we discussed, there are issues. Honestly, I believe I can mitigate some of them by implementing better checks before handing players to these mods, but as long as DCL isn't used as the ONLY entry into either SS or SD, some issues will remain. There are some things that SS/SD would need to do on their own end as well, and I have no control over this.

18 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

 

SS does precisely what it's supposed to do, and can't by function be responsible for the player's state upon arrival because a player who should be ineligible should never be sent to SS in the first place.

 

Well, some scenarios in SS would work with items in place, and some don't. I can easily prevent handovers to SS entirely, but then the player needs to make sure to disable SS/SD triggers in every other mod they installed. It would be much cleaner if SS did a check on its own and would just use the "somebody bought me to free me! path if the player if she is wearing quest devices. Again, it's out of my control, but that would be the clean solution.

[WaxenFigure]

6 hours ago, LucentShard said:

Not sure if I did this right but here is the Papyrus log.

Right at the bottom, it says
[DCUR] Rape event aborted: No fitting animations found. [04/16/2018 - 06:32:14PM]
 

Papyrus.0.log

 

Well then there's your answer.  Check the animations available in the Sexlab Framework, you may have disabled all the aggressive ones or something like that.

[SkyAddiction]

1 hour ago, Kimy said:

No, it's not. I wrote DCL's combat surrender to be a replacement for DA, which I dumped from my load order for the exact same reason you did. DCL can perform hand-overs to both SD and SS, but as we discussed, there are issues. Honestly, I believe I can mitigate some of them by implementing better checks before handing players to these mods, but as long as DCL isn't used as the ONLY entry into either SS or SD, some issues will remain. There are some things that SS/SD would need to do on their own end as well, and I have no control over this.

Well, some scenarios in SS would work with items in place, and some don't. I can easily prevent handovers to SS entirely, but then the player needs to make sure to disable SS/SD triggers in every other mod they installed. It would be much cleaner if SS did a check on its own and would just use the "somebody bought me to free me! path if the player if she is wearing quest devices. Again, it's out of my control, but that would be the clean solution.

 

Yes, that's very much how I see it, though if there's at least one way to get a curated defeat system into my game I'm damn well taking it. It so completely alters the way I play the game, and in a good way, that I'd rather not do without if at all possible.

 

I didn't even know SS could just free you. I guess I don't lose enough fights.

[Code Serpent]

I just wanted to list a few of the bugs and consistency issues I've found recently, as well as a few small suggestions, and hope @Kimy will take a look at them for the next version after she finishes the awesome work she's doing with DDi 4.1

 

Bugs:

Spoiler

• Straitjackets and Dresses have a duplicate inventory item added when "Use Items From Inventory" is disabled
• The Gag Dialogue Response "Someone gagged you but forgot to tie your hands..." only occurs when the player is already restrained
• The player can be dragged out of bed even if no one around is trying to rape them, like if they're wearing full chastity items
• Events occasionally try to place straitjackets on the player when they are already wearing wrist restraints, prompting an error message

 

Consistency Issues:

Spoiler

• Bondage Items equipped while sleeping or from NPC events don't take into consideration the "Worn Restraints Threshold"
• Even if "Consistent Themes" is selected, multiple items equipped at once by NPCs are from different themes if the "Random" theme is selected, specifically from
• "A Little Bondage Adventure" directs the player to a random vendor, not the one that locked her up. A solution could be having only the DollMaker give this quest

 

Suggestions:

Spoiler

• Add Morality/Relationship checks to NPC actions, so the player's good friend stops calling them a slut when talking through a gag, and good Samaritans stop raping the player
• Add refined theme options for different areas or actions; eg Only Metal items drop in Bandit Camps, or only Rubber items are equipped from the Bondage Dreams event
• Split up the "Metal" theme into "Padded Metal" (The standard DDa padded steel items) and "Rustic Metal" (the rusted iron chains and cuffs from Heretic Resources)
• Add persistent NPC Dom/Sub preferences, so dialogue responses and actions aren't so random, especially with the Bondage Dialogue system. I think checking NPCs voice types is a good way to go about this, eg people sounding like Ysolda would often be submissive, while people sounding like Uthgerd would often be dominant

 

[El_Duderino]

6 hours ago, Kimy said:

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SS does precisely what it's supposed to do, and can't by function be responsible for the player's state upon arrival because a player who should be ineligible should never be sent to SS in the first place.

 

Well, some scenarios in SS would work with items in place, and some don't. I can easily prevent handovers to SS entirely, but then the player needs to make sure to disable SS/SD triggers in every other mod they installed. It would be much cleaner if SS did a check on its own and would just use the "somebody bought me to free me! path if the player if she is wearing quest devices. Again, it's out of my control, but that would be the clean solution.

Actually, I think devices and SS have always been an issue. When being teleported into the cage before starting the auction, SS does a "unequipall" on the player and then equips a couple of ZazAP wrist and leg cuffs to bind the player. While DD's scripts catch the scripted unequip, the rendered items remain off and the inventory items have to be clicked (inspected) in the player's inventory to become visible again. And of course, the Zaz cuffs can conflict with worn DD's, so the player needs to get rid of those before doing anything else.

[Kimy]

Yeah, I hoped that SS's maintainer would fix this issue, but it has been in there for years now. Oh, well, I will just make sure not to pass a restrained character to SS anymore, so this will fix the issue as best as I can on DCL's end. If people use other mods to trigger SS, they need to disable those, or convince Jfraser to add a check for DD devices on SS's end (which can be done without having to hard link to it).