Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a (2019-09-10)

[LazyBoot]

12 minutes ago, Comrade Laura 'Lokomootje' said:

42 minutes ago, nurso12 said:

I had one simple Question, why are Bras and Belts not showing on my Char, i use UNP, have installed evrything correctly, im playing and modding skyrim since years, and got evrything to work before, and evrything was working before ,like a year ago, so i googeld and finally found the supposably right thread to post my Questions. But since i red a lot while i was on the search for this Thread, i figured out its most likely an Bodyslide "Problem", or the lack of Information that i actually need it and how to use it and why you need it now and why you didnt need it before. In page 1 of this Thread is written.

 

"REQUIREMENTS

Devious Devices - Assets Version 3 or higher - link
SexLab 1.6+ - link
SexLab Aroused Redux - link
FNIS 7.0 - link
XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended: link"

 

No Bodyslide, so why should i know that i have to use it?

But further down you say under Installation you wrote

 

"INSTALLATION

7. And don't forget to use Bodyslide to build the assets. Half of all user support requests root in them not running Bodyslide. RUN BODYSLIDE!!!!"

 

So i quess you have just forgotten to update the Requirements... But a "RUN BODDYSLIDE!!!!" Can just be opposed in a simple question. HOW????? (Evrytime one time more than you) But since i dont use caps, caus people who say thhing louder and/or more agressively aren't righter than the people who are able to stay calm, i will not shout back. But one thing i would like to make clear, if you post stuff like this in you FAQ as an answer.

 

" A: Use Bodyslide, Luke! It's listed in the requirements for a reason. You need to actually build the assets with Bodyslide!"

 

You should atleast make certain you are right, furthermore its not helpfull because it just leads to more people whp are confused and/or get annoyed and/or write extremely long questions.

So to come finally to my questions. How do you use Bodyslide with an Unp body, so that Belly and Bra stuff will work? I would like a step by step guide how to use it, you can skip the steps download amd installation. I have never ever used Bodyslide for anything and im not able to draw grapics , so my real question is, why do you have to make it so complicated? Any why do you think people will stop with the Bodyslide Question, if is nowhere clearly mentioned, how to use it?

It doesn't say it here.

But it speaks for itself that you should also install the requirements of the mods this one uses.

DDi uses DDa's models and textures and thus requires it.

DDa has Bodyslide and Outfit Studio as a requirement.

 

Besides, when you see everywhere that you need to run Bodyslide.

You should know that it is a requirement.

I'm personally starting to consider using this link every time someone asks about bodyslide now... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=skyrim+dd+bodyslide

[nurso12]

I thought honestly this thread is more up tro date, if its not written here, then its maybe an old requirement of DDA. But that still isn't explaining how to use Bodyslide, as i said i'm no artist i use Presets and i am not able to draw/adjust anything. There are people who are far betteer in it than me, who actually like it,  and i'm glad that they are willing to share theire art. so why even bother... SO i though i would never ever need Bodyslide. So i never learned how to use it, and i simply dont want to either. Can't you wonderful Artists make an easy to usee thing for simple people like me who dont want to cutomize.

 

 

 

[oblivioner]

It is very easy to use bodyslide.  Select the body mod you use, make sure the current group has all the mods you want to generate the data for, then batch create, selecting the body again as needed.  You can also look up videos on youtube.

[nurso12]

2 hours ago, oblivioner said:

It is very easy to use bodyslide.  Select the body mod you use, make sure the current group has all the mods you want to generate the data for, then batch create, selecting the body again as needed.  You can also look up videos on youtube.

Thanks but honestly i doesnt sound to easy to me, cause i dont know which Body i have to use of the round 100 availabel, or do i have to do it for each and evry one of them? And what do you mean by "the current group has all the mods" Where do is see/chose a group? which mods and where do i see/adjust them? And what Data should i create for what? To be honest i don't get much of your explanation, but atleast you tried, so thanks for that. And i can't find any Videos for it, are you sure there are on Youtube, wouldn't they get banned for Adult Content.

[Laura]

59 minutes ago, oblivioner said:

It is very easy to use bodyslide.  Select the body mod you use, make sure the current group has all the mods you want to generate the data for, then batch create, selecting the body again as needed.  You can also look up videos on youtube.

True, it looked a bit overwhelming at first.

But you don't have to be an artist to batch build outfits in Bodyslide.

Even I can do it.

1 hour ago, nurso12 said:

I thought honestly this thread is more up tro date, if its not written here, then its maybe an old requirement of DDA. But that still isn't explaining how to use Bodyslide, as i said i'm no artist i use Presets and i am not able to draw/adjust anything. There are people who are far betteer in it than me, who actually like it,  and i'm glad that they are willing to share theire art. so why even bother... SO i though i would never ever need Bodyslide. So i never learned how to use it, and i simply dont want to either. Can't you wonderful Artists make an easy to usee thing for simple people like me who dont want to cutomize.

 

 

 

It isn't out of date, it is clearly a requirement for DDa.

Seems like you didn't try to solve it yourself.

Because if you did, you wouldn't have this problem.

Many people have the same issue.

DD is a very large mod with many components, which can be confusing.

Especially for people new to modding.

The question can be a bit annoying, but we're happy to help.

But don't start blaming others for your inability to read instructions.
 

Being lost, confused and/or overwhelmed isn't wrong.

We all started with very little knowledge.

But, don't blame others for your own incompetence.

 

This is the first thing that pops up when you search 'dd bodyslide' on google.

Something you could have easily done yourself.

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/71481-tutorial-building-dd-items-in-bodyslide-nmmmo/

 

Acting like an ass doesn't get you far in this world.

[nurso12]

No i didn't mean that you don't need it with out of date, i mean't not that often actualized and i mean't the DDA thread, so i thought the Requitementlist of this Newer Mod DDI is more up to date than the List of the older DDA. Pretty stupid that assumption i know... I mean its like thinking "Newer=Newer".  And yes i have tried to solve it myself, and yes i have seen that Guide, and i'm happy that it seems to help people, but i don't get it at all. Or to be more clear, i understand evrything you are saying, what Bodyslide and DDA,DDx,DDi is and how to use them, and what the guide wants from me...  I simply can't do it, and yes there are people who aren't like u , i know its very hard to think about others.... I mean they are different and all. But i was hoping that Bodyslide is not that annoying to use as it is and that there are Presets orr easy step by step Guides of People who are also getting annoyed of this.

 

Ah and i don't blame others for my faults, i blame them for theire own, i know its hard to admit that you failed, but look at it. First of all they didn't post in the Requirements that you need Bodyslide in this thred, a fault. They say'd use it but not how and/or where to learn it, in terms of getting less bombarded with stupid questionms like this its again a fault. They took a great mod and made it more complicated, by adding stuff to it, that should be optional, cause not evryone likes Bodyslide, or can use it, which is again, you guessed it, a fault. That already makes 3 so they are out.

 

"Acting like an ass doesn't get you far in this world. " That is so true but im glad for you that you see how others might think ou you, understanding your problem is the first step in solving it. 

[invisible]

Having this weird issue, I have everything installed all the 3 Devious Devices plugins and the animations all work fine.

Except for the fact that all the female NPC's are walking like they're bounded and walk like they are already bounded but they're actually not.

 

They're not wearing any devices but they're walking like they have them on, do I need to reset something after I updated my devious devices?

[tuxagent7]

39 minutes ago, nurso12 said:

Ah and i don't blame others for my faults, i blame them for theire own, i know its hard to admit that you failed, but look at it. First of all they didn't post in the Requirements that you need Bodyslide in this thred, a fault. They say'd use it but not how and/or where to learn it, in terms of getting less bombarded with stupid questionms like this its again a fault. They took a great mod and made it more complicated, by adding stuff to it, that should be optional, cause not evryone likes Bodyslide, or can use it, which is again, you guessed it, a fault. That already makes 3 so they are out.

 

No, it's not her fault that you don't try to make it work.

 

When i started modding and learning about each day, i searched google, i searched the forum and i ask questions.  When i realize my mistake or something i do right, i like it.  I learned about bodysliding, modifying files with TES5edit about mergin mods and still am learning.

 

When you install a body cbbe or uunp (unp) you install the program of bodyslide and when you install devious device you tell it you want uunp.

 

You open bodyslide and select ddx/dda items and you choose your unp preset.  Then you bactch builds and its finished your items are ready to work.

 

40 minutes ago, nurso12 said:

Acting like an ass doesn't get you far in this world. " That is so true but im glad for you that you see how others might think ou you, understanding your problem is the first step in solving it. 

 

Again there is someone trying to help you and you take offense at what she says.  When i read your post, the way it was written seemed about a guy who whines a lot and want to have the silver spoon fed to him.

 

But maybe it isn't maybe it's a problem with the langage barrier and that is why i try to help you

 

I hope you work out your problem and if not you can ask question and we will try to help

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, nurso12 said:

Thanks but honestly i doesnt sound to easy to me, cause i dont know which Body i have to use of the round 100 availabel, or do i have to do it for each and evry one of them? And what do you mean by "the current group has all the mods" Where do is see/chose a group? which mods and where do i see/adjust them? And what Data should i create for what? To be honest i don't get much of your explanation, but atleast you tried, so thanks for that. And i can't find any Videos for it, are you sure there are on Youtube, wouldn't they get banned for Adult Content.

 

You open the bodyslide program. You should see a text box with words "group filter". Click "Choose groups". You can tell by their names which ones are related to DD because they will be called things like DDa, DDx. Check those boxes and hit ok. Next choose your preset. That is totally your personal choice, I would use UUNP - UNPB as I think it's kind of "normal" but your taste could be different. Whatever you choose will be the look for every NPC in the game and you (but you can customize more in game as well). You can search names online or select a random thing under outfit/bodyslide and then hit "preview" to see what it looks like.

 

Next hit the box that says "build morphs" and click "batch build". Probably you can leave everything there checked. But you also need to make sure you build the body - "Unified UNP Feet", "Unified UNP Feet", and "Unified UNP". Also you could download armor replacers for bodyslide. The only important thing is whatever preset you use, build everything (armors, devices, body) with the same preset. Otherwise things won't fit together.

 

 

If you don't see any of this, but instead some crazy thing that makes you feel like you have to be an artist to use it, you are opening "Outfit Studio" instead of "Bodyslide". I think they are in the same download but they are very different.

[Reesewow]

1 hour ago, nurso12 said:

Ah and i don't blame others for my faults, i blame them for theire own, i know its hard to admit that you failed, but look at it.

 

First of all they didn't post in the Requirements that you need Bodyslide in this thred, a fault. They say'd use it but not how and/or where to learn it, in terms of getting less bombarded with stupid questionms like this its again a fault. They took a great mod and made it more complicated, by adding stuff to it, that should be optional, cause not evryone likes Bodyslide, or can use it, which is again, you guessed it, a fault. That already makes 3 so they are out.

1 - DDI itself does not require Bodyslide - DDI is the framework portion of the Devious Devices mods.  DDA and DDX require Bodyslide, and they have separate threads.

 

2 - Instructions on how to use Bodyslide are provided by the Bodyslide download page itself, which you must have visited to download the program in the first place.  Or google will get you plenty of information.

 

I understand that things can be frustrating, but as you can tell by the responses you are getting so far you haven't exactly asked for help in an effective manner.  Arguing minutia about the requirements in the DDI download page while acknowledging that Bodyslide is obviously required for the mods as a whole based on context isn't helpful.  If you have a specific question I'm sure people will help you out.

[nurso12]

Sorry i don't take kindly to be called names, and its certanly no help either. And no i don't want evrything on a silver Spoon. I just want people to understand that using all theres tools, lsn't simple for some people. But i hope you don't get me wrong, i am thankfful for evrybody who has tiried to help me. To be honest it was never really a question, more a hope. I wanted more to make you guys see why tons of prople ask you about Bodyslide, its not because they can't google or hanv't read how itss done, at least in my case thats not the case, its because they have read it but hope that there is a way that people who don't want/can't spend hours, to get some configurations in a Game right, can also (like it was before) just enjoy some nice mods. But without ENB,TES5EDIT,FNIS,Papyrus.Boss/LOOT,NMM/MO,SKSE and now Bodyslide and light modding skills they can't even use todays Mods in Skyrim anymore.. Instead of making Mods simple you make them more complex. I atm run like 200 Mods in Skyrim, for any other Game that sounds like Madness, not for Skyrim thought... THey are mostly Requirements of required mods some are requirements of recommended mods thoughtm and some are just Tools to make mods work,  I guess next pach the new 64 Bit Vrrsion of Fnis will be the new thing that people have to deal with? Or what are the Plans. NifTools, Bender? We can't wait... So the hope was to make all you creative People think about why don't people get it, there might be a reason, or there are like 200 Resons that depends all on you.

[Reesewow]

18 minutes ago, nurso12 said:

To be honest it was never really a question, more a hope. I wanted more to make you guys see why tons of prople ask you about Bodyslide, its not because they can't google or hanv't read how itss done, at least in my case thats not the case, its because they have read it but hope that there is a way that people who don't want/can't spend hours, to get some configurations in a Game right, can also (like it was before) just enjoy some nice mods. 

So you didn't really want help, you wanted to complain about Bodyslide and argue with everyone who was trying to help you, and now we've filled up a page of discussion on the DDI support thread with what should have taken one line to say "I really don't like using bodyslide, and would really like it if you included a default meshes option. Thanks".  Awesome. 

 

Very few people who replied to you would be "you guys" btw, we're just users trying to help other users out while we can.  Meanwhile I see someone actually had a question in that mess that got missed.

2 hours ago, invisible said:

Having this weird issue, I have everything installed all the 3 Devious Devices plugins and the animations all work fine.

Except for the fact that all the female NPC's are walking like they're bounded and walk like they are already bounded but they're actually not.

 

They're not wearing any devices but they're walking like they have them on, do I need to reset something after I updated my devious devices?

Do you use FNIS Sexy Move or similar?  I recall having an issue where everyone was using bound walking and found resetting Sexy Move fixed it.

[SnowyJune973]

Well,maybe that's too late for me to point it out, but this problem does confuse me for a long time, since the alpha version of DD4 commited on Loverslab.

I just can't get everything right. Even if I installed these DD Mods by a certain order, ran FNIS and Bodyslide, the Dragonborn just gets stuck when she wears any one of the devices(including those linked with an animation, an armbinder for example), which looks like I didn't run FNIS at all. But other animations can work correctly.

From the other hand, if I switch the version of DD to DD3(DDi and DDx, as DDa still remains 3.0e), everything is OK. I still can't figure out what's going on.

 

I'm using the latest Skyrim Legendary Version. These mods are installed via Mod Organizer v2.0.7, to build a minimal environment for testing.

FNIS 7.0, Sexlab 1.62, Racemenu (latest), Sexlab Aroused Redux (latest), UNPB, XPMSE(latest), hdtHighHeels beta0, Realistic Force, UIExtensions(latest), SkyUI, AddItemMenu, Alternate Start, Bodyslide(latest), and several clothing mods.

 

God I'm going mad. I'll be quite grateful if anyone can help me out.

 

The Papyrus log seems no useful for me(as everything seems to be correct), but it may be useful to people who know more about DD4, so if needed, I'll post it here.

Perhaps I should use NMM for mod organizing? 

[shadowwolf2k7]

@nurso12

 

if i read it right. in an earlier post you said you use the UNP body. if that is correct then when you open bodyslide, there will be at the top left area a drop down box that should show uunp-***. change that to UUNP-UNP or which ever version of the UNP body type you use. then every time you download anything, just get the UUNP version and run bodyslide using the UUNP-UNP and the items should fit your characters body. when i started using body slide it took me a while to figure out how to use it, and to get items to fit to the UNPB body.

[shadowwolf2k7]

26 minutes ago, SnowyJune973 said:

Well,maybe that's too late for me to point it out, but this problem does confuse me for a long time, since the alpha version of DD4 commited on Loverslab.

I just can't get everything right. Even if I installed these DD Mods by a certain order, ran FNIS and Bodyslide, the Dragonborn just gets stuck when she wears any one of the devices(including those linked with an animation, an armbinder for example), which looks like I didn't run FNIS at all. But other animations can work correctly.

From the other hand, if I switch the version of DD to DD3(DDi and DDx, as DDa still remains 3.0e), everything is OK. I still can't figure out what's going on.

 

I'm using the latest Skyrim Legendary Version. These mods are installed via Mod Organizer v2.0.7, to build a minimal environment for testing.

FNIS 7.0, Sexlab 1.62, Racemenu (latest), Sexlab Aroused Redux (latest), UNPB, XPMSE(latest), hdtHighHeels beta0, Realistic Force, UIExtensions(latest), SkyUI, AddItemMenu, Alternate Start, Bodyslide(latest), and several clothing mods.

 

God I'm going mad. I'll be quite grateful if anyone can help me out.

 

The Papyrus log seems no useful for me(as everything seems to be correct), but it may be useful to people who know more about DD4, so if needed, I'll post it here.

Perhaps I should use NMM for mod organizing? 

the only thing i see that you are missing is HDT Physics, im supprised you dont crash without it since you have both XPMSE and HDT High Heals

[invisible]

11 hours ago, Reesewow said:

Do you use FNIS Sexy Move or similar?  I recall having an issue where everyone was using bound walking and found resetting Sexy Move fixed it.

Yeah that must be it, I'll reset Sexy Move and report back.

[Kimy]

16 hours ago, nurso12 said:

 

Ah and i don't blame others for my faults, i blame them for theire own, i know its hard to admit that you failed, but look at it. First of all they didn't post in the Requirements that you need Bodyslide in this thred, a fault. They say'd use it but not how and/or where to learn it, in terms of getting less bombarded with stupid questionms like this its again a fault. They took a great mod and made it more complicated, by adding stuff to it, that should be optional, cause not evryone likes Bodyslide, or can use it, which is again, you guessed it, a fault. That already makes 3 so they are out.

 

"Acting like an ass doesn't get you far in this world. " That is so true but im glad for you that you see how others might think ou you, understanding your problem is the first step in solving it. 

I can tell you that I REALLY resent the notion that using Bodyslide was a mistake in any shape or fashion. Bodyslide is superior to fixed meshes in every regard possible, and the ONLY trade-off for users is that they have to install the Bodyslide app and click less than a handful of buttons to build the meshes. I don't want to be brutal, but if you find THAT complicated, the problem is YOU, and I have honestly no idea how you deal with actual challenges in your life. Particularly when there are Bodyslide guides all over the internet, including the site where you got it from, this site, AND from people who tried to help you.

 

In the end, no, I do not design this mod around the needs of the 5% most inept users. That group can ask for help in a polite way, and they -will- get help. But the world doesn't revolve around a tiny minority of people who refuses to read instructions and starts blaming everyone else for their own inability to resolve a small problem.

 

The one thing I give you is that I did indeed not use red blinking letters in size 80 font to tell people to tell that Bodyslide is an actual requirement, and just wrote it in the text that I foolishly expected people to read, particularly when they experience issues installing the mod. In all honesty, the vast majority of all Bodyslide questions comes from people who either can't or don't want to read, and also refuse to use (probably too complicated) tools like a search function. They sometimes ask about Bodyslide multiple times on the same thread page, which is sort of a giveaway that they don't even TRY to look for existing answers to their problem.

 

I promise I will include said blinking USE BODYSLIDE!!!! logo when I update DD again. The one reason why I didn't change the text already is that this thread still belongs to Min and I have to pester a moderator every single time I want to make changes to it, which is something I do only when really have to.

 

Otherwise, if you want to know what the problem is, look in a mirror.

[bicobus]

1 hour ago, Kimy said:

Otherwise, if you want to know what the problem is, look in a mirror.

So the reason you still use a thread you have no control over is to not confuse users, right? You know, instead of asking for a moderator to "retire" this thread and then start a new one. All is required is updating the OP with "This project is archived and no longer updated, please go to URL for the new one.", while all the sub mod would link to the new project page. If it were done that way, the "most inept user" wouldn't be worried because they just tends to follow links.

 

At the end of the day, you're the project lead and you're the one who fucked up by inducing people into confusion. It's your job to develop the framework, but also to present it in the best way possible.

 

Your wet sock of an excuse is simply "I don't have administrative rights over the documentation, and people are stupid.".

 

Just great.

[Kimy]

You're still the same moron you always are, Bicobus. I guess it's just the sort of person you are.

 

First, Min requested this thread to remain his when he passed on DD to me, so that his name will remain on the project he founded. I respected that, and still do. Despite it's far from an ideal setup, and after two years of managing DD, I actually like to think it could and maybe should be my thread now. But I will take ownership of this thread when Min's fine with it, and not a moment earlier. You probably wouldn't care, but I do.

 

Next, Bodyslide IS mentioned in the documentation. Your rant would have some merit if Bodyslide wasn't mentioned there, but it is.

 

Seriously, which part about INSTALLATION and the item #7 isn't clear? If a person really doesn't know what Bodyslide is, the obvious solution is to feed the name to Google. It's really not rocket science.

 

Quote

 

INSTALLATION

 

1. Install ALL requirements listed above using your favorite mod manager, including THEIR respective requirements.
2. Install this mod.
3. Run FNIS when done
4. Start up Skyrim, and either create a New Game, or load your Save.
5. Save the game, and then load the save you just created (DD will not register Animations / Events until you load a save after it has been installed).
6. Install all three DD mods with your mod manager of choice.
7. And don't forget to use Bodyslide to build the assets. Half of all user support requests root in them not running Bodyslide. RUN BODYSLIDE!!!!
 

 

 

Now, here comes the blast: You can blame me for not adding Bodyslide to the list of requirements for this mod, but the fun thing is that nothing in DD Integration actually requires it. And Bodyslide IS listed as a requirement for DDA - which is a requirement for the other DD mods. If they would follow links, as you say they would do...the person would have installed Bodyslide long before touching DDI. But hey, it's fine, you are just looking for ANY mud to throw at me, I get the idea.

 

I am seriously tired of you and your stupid accusations you keep throwing at me at any given opportunity. If you want to do both of us a favor, I'd welcome if you could refrain from ever posting in any of my mod's support threads again. Thank you.

[Laura]

While this is getting a bit mean.

I do agree that it could help a lot of people if Bodyslide was highlighted even more.

It could certainly relieve us from the frequent: It is invisible pls hlp!

[Kimy]

3 minutes ago, Comrade Laura 'Lokomootje' said:

While this is getting a bit mean.

Which is unnecessary in my opinion.

I do agree that it could help a lot of people if Bodyslide was highlighted even more.

It could certainly relieve us from the frequent: It is invisible pls hlp!

I will really add a really really large and really really colorful Bodyslide!!! logo, plus a link to the app and the guides, next time I update this thread. It's not an unreasonable request.

But just so you know: In Cursed Loot I actually linked to Bodyslide AND listed it in the requirements, and there are still tons of "Help, my stuff is invisible" postings there. I guess people will still blame me for using such a Complicated!™ thing in the first place and then not showing up at their place and installing it for them, for they still can't be bothered to read a page of text, no matter what I do. It's always easier to look for failure anywhere but yourself, I guess.

[Reesewow]

10 minutes ago, Comrade Laura 'Lokomootje' said:

While this is getting a bit mean.

I do agree that it could help a lot of people if Bodyslide was highlighted even more.

It could certainly relieve us from the frequent: It is invisible pls hlp!

Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever be completely rid of people posting about invisible items.  Not unless someone programs Skyrim to refuse to load until items have been built, and instead give a giant popup with instructions.  But then the posts will be about how Skyrim won't load and is giving this weird popup.

 

Just a google search for "Devious Devices Invisible" gives a stack of results explaining what the problem is, so I have a hard time accepting that a bigger font for the requirement would make much of a difference in those cases.  Even if someone actually got confused by it not currently being in the requirements section (despite being a requirement in DDA), the installation instructions make it perfectly clear that Bodyslide is required.  Obviously the oversight should be remedied and more clarity is better, plus some of the links need to be fixed up.  Some people simply refuse to read or do a minimum amount of research and will resort to asking for help (sometimes rudely) when they mess up because of it.

 

Technically bringing back some form of default meshes would probably help mitigate the invisible item posts, but I imagine a portion of those would be replaced by people complaining that stuff doesn't fit.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever be completely rid of people posting about invisible items.  Not unless someone programs Skyrim to refuse to load until items have been built, and instead give a giant popup with instructions.  But then the posts will be about how Skyrim won't load and is giving this weird popup.

 

Just a google search for "Devious Devices Invisible" gives a stack of results explaining what the problem is, so I have a hard time accepting that a bigger font for the requirement would make much of a difference in those cases.  Even if someone actually got confused by it not currently being in the requirements section (despite being a requirement in DDA), the installation instructions make it perfectly clear that Bodyslide is required.  Obviously the oversight should be remedied and more clarity is better, plus some of the links need to be fixed up.  Some people simply refuse to read or do a minimum amount of research and will resort to asking for help (sometimes rudely) when they mess up because of it.

 

Technically bringing back some form of default meshes would probably help mitigate the invisible item posts, but I imagine a portion of those would be replaced by people complaining that stuff doesn't fit.

Yeah when there were default meshes and we had to install our own bodyslide stuff I found it was a lot harder to diagnose what was going wrong:

 

1. Did I not run bodyslide

2. Did I use the wrong preset

3. Are the built meshes not taking priority in mod organizer

4. Is HDT somehow spazzing out

 

Now that the failure mode is so obvious I think it's better I think.

[Kimy]

2 minutes ago, Bobbert6996 said:

Now that the failure mode is so obvious I think it's better I think.

That, and we'd also blow up the file size with default meshes. DD is already fairly large as is. But the bigger reason is really that it's better something fails in a blatant fashion than subtly. The latter is much harder to diagnose. At least "My stuff is invisible" is a very clear giveaway of what went wrong.

[Laura]

31 minutes ago, Kimy said:

I will really add a really really large and really really colorful Bodyslide!!! logo, plus a link to the app and the guides, next time I update this thread. It's not an unreasonable request.

But just so you know: In Cursed Loot I actually linked to Bodyslide AND listed it in the requirements, and there are still tons of "Help, my stuff is invisible" postings there. I guess people will still blame me for using such a Complicated!™ thing in the first place and then not showing up at their place and installing it for them, for they still can't be bothered to read a page of text, no matter what I do. It's always easier to look for failure anywhere but yourself, I guess.

Obnoxiously large text is probably what some people need.

I know it is said on the DDa page and the DCUR page.

But somehow, people still miss it.