Cyberpunk 2077 is the most used single player game on steam today.

[Vyxenne]

8 hours ago, OH1972 said:

makes about as much sense as an anvil dropping out of the sky.

Oh, right. Next you're going to try to tell us that Wile E. isn't a real coyote.

[OH1972]

5 hours ago, mircislav said:

Kido, watch your tongue. And keep your preaching and propaganda for yourself.

Aww, cute. Nice try, but pure projection. 

This "kido" is half a century old and has a PhD in biomedicla sciences. You wanna see propaganda, look in the mirror at the dropout pretending that the world's medical community is a bunch of idiots who can't hold a candle to him and a pandemic is jolly good fun.

[OH1972]

23 minutes ago, Vyxenne said:

9 hours ago, OH1972 said:

cancel culture has found nice nest over there

 

Huh? That qote is not from me. It's from a post by mircislav

[mircislav]

9 minutes ago, OH1972 said:

Aww, cute. Nice try, but pure projection. 

This "kido" is half a century old and has a PhD in biomedicla sciences. You wanna see propaganda, look in the mirror at the dropout pretending that the world's medical community is a bunch of idiots who can't hold a candle to him and a pandemic is jolly good fun.

Ooooooo, you are well educated.... lucky you... You should join uncle Bill tabor and make this world much better. You little hypocrite... For your half century you still didn't learn anything... As as wrote, take your propaganda elsewhere.

[OH1972]

5 hours ago, 27X said:

 

77 leads directly to Red and there isn't jack shit Gibson about that.

"Leads to" is neither here nor there. 77 is strongly connected to CP2020, and directly references Firestorm:Stormfront and Firestorm:Shockwave.

 

Your comments scream of not knowing half as much about either Cyberpunk as a genre or the tradition of the RTG game specifically. "Hardwired", which I mentioned in the post you replied to, isn't even from Gibson. Walter Jon Williams, author of "Hardwired", was strongly connected with Pondsmith and the RTG crew, not only contributing to the "Hardwired" supplement, but also playtesting the original game.

 

And Pondsmith himself writes in LUYPS: "As a cyberpunk, your job is to hit the future head on and beat it, not cower in a corner longing for the Good Old Days. As far as you're
concerned, it won't get any better till you make it better."

...

"When I wrote the first Cyberpunk game years ago, I didn't suspect it would evolve into a multileveled science fiction epic that would be shared by tens of thousands of people around
the world. But what I did see was a future; a future not quite here yet, where Humanity and Technology would collide and create something new. It was a dark vision, because any time you enter an unknown realm, the road ahead is dark. But I figured we were fated to be going there one way or the other, so why not try to get a sense of what it would be like? Why
not illuminate the pits and the traps before they were on us like an icy spot on the highway at night? In the martial arts, a kata is a series of moves, almost a dance routine, designed to move through all the steps of an actual attack or defense. Roleplaying is like that, too; it allows you to work out how you'll deal with a situation before it arrives (if ever). It tests your understanding of what is going on around you, and it allows you to make decisions, check reactions, and know yourself within the safe confines of your imagination. Think of this game as a kata. For the Dark Future; a future you may not even want to have. If you want to change it, this is your chance to practice how you'll do it. If you want to be part of it, this'll give you some idea of what it will be like, and whether you think you' ll be ready." (Mike Pondsmith, "What is Cyberpunk?")

 

In the same section, Ross "Spyke" Winn adds: "The idea behind the Cyberpunk 2020 game is revolution. Other games usually revolve around survival, in Cyberpunk, survival is secondary. What is important is accomplishing something. To keep from being just another statistic. It is the concept of empowerment. The ability of a person to make a difference
in their world. Whether it's the small world of a burnt-out neighborhood, or a Corporation that controls the assets of a Nation. That is your world, and that world is where you must make a difference. This is a world of opportunity, a world where a person can make their own way. We can change the world, right now!"

 

The point of the setting is NOT that you can't make a difference, that in the end, you're just an inconsequential cog ground up by the larger mechanism dominated by the corps - quite the contrary. You may die, yes, but not as some cruel joke on the side, but because it may be necessary to make that change you want to affect. 

 

Which all the more makes letting V die to bring back Johnny such a ridiculous idea.

 

[OH1972]

24 minutes ago, mircislav said:

Ooooooo, you are well educated.... lucky you... You should join uncle Bill tabor and make this world much better. You little hypocrite... For your half century you still didn't learn anything... As as wrote, take your propaganda elsewhere.

 

Aww, still nothing but insults and projection. I have a health science publication in submission as we write this. 

[Wandering_Mania]

47 minutes ago, OH1972 said:

I find it funny that adding smears upon smears is the only answer you can give. It's evident from your statement that you have no idea what role communication plays in a team project and believe being in the "complete comfort of one's own home" is always an advantage.

And I did say there are 'difficulties'. But I'm not sure how that's a "smear" at all; Because despite your obliviousness to reality; The games industry was booming during the pandemic. Profits where up, stocks where up, player rates where up, and so on. The games industry was one of the very few that actually thrived during the pandemic. So you can just take your 2 sentence trolling elsewhere.

 

Because if you don't know what your talking about, it's best not to speak at all.

[mircislav]

6 minutes ago, OH1972 said:

Aww, still nothing but insults and projection. I have a health science publication in submission as we write this. 

Bravo.... better to stick your head out from your window (don't worry, you won't catch any disease) to see how your science is making the world better...

Because of scientists like you peoples are dying on the street. And those are not insults and projections, you slimy hypocrite, those are facts of the world we are living today.

[BananaSplitOoh]

28 minutes ago, OH1972 said:

 

Aww, still nothing but insults and projection. I have a health science publication in submission as we write this. 

 

19 minutes ago, mircislav said:

Bravo.... better to stick your head out from your window (don't worry, you won't catch any disease) to see how your science is making the world better...

Because of scientists like you peoples are dying on the street. And those are not insults and projections, you slimy hypocrite, those are facts of the world we are living today.

Actually sometimes, you can get a torticolis when sticking your head out of a window, especially if you do it too fast, it's not really a disease but still. I'm writing a publication about it, right now, as we speak. Hopefully it will save people from dying on the street. Even though they're not really on the street if it's just their heads sticking out of a window, and you can't die from a torticolis, I think. Wait, can you die of torticolis ? 

[mircislav]

1 hour ago, BananaSplitOoh said:

Actually sometimes, you can get a torticolis when sticking your head out of a window, especially if you do it too fast, it's not really a disease but still. I'm writing a publication about it, right now, as we speak. Hopefully it will save people from dying on the street. Even though they're not really on the street if it's just their heads sticking out of a window, and you can't die from a torticolis, I think. Wait, can you die of torticolis ? 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by mircislav

[BananaSplitOoh]

12 minutes ago, mircislav said:

 

 

 

Impressive if it's not sampled ! 

[Guest]

This game is too ugly. It is uglier than many old games. 

I hope it stays in the most used for a long time, to show how much trash and shit the majority of the public is. Literal npcs that pays a killing for shit content from lazy companies, while scorning free content from dedicated mod authors.

I've read so many horrible things said about mod authors, specially by console users, that whatever woke bullshit is imposed on them is justified, by their own nature as corporate bootlickers. They complain about day-one dlcs and microtransactions but willing pay for it, that's why the companies do it. 

[Darkening Demise]

The problem is the game is repetitive, unoriginal, grindy, cliches AF. The story just sucks and is the typical rebel vs corporation bad guy. The gameplay consists of clearing outposts of brain dead AI. Its literally Far Cry with lasers. Though there's a better one called Blood Dragon. Honestly still after all this time modding is just as big of a joke as The Witcher. CDPR lies and lies again and again about mod tools and support. If this thing doesn't get game changing mods then its just going to stay mediocre. 5/10 at best even with the latest patch. Plus they still have yet to patch in the 80% of the game they bragged about removing before launch cause 'no one beat our Witcher 3 game wah!'. Maybe make a good game and more people will play through it. Removing content won't save bad things from being bad. Also they cancelled the second expansion and are only doing one which looks boring. Work for government stop some bad guys. Listen to untalented hack Keanu put no effort into his role again. $30 please! Nope.

Tried playing through the game twice. First time on launch with male corpo, was bad. Second time with some patches as female street kid, was bad. The game can't be salvaged due to its shallow lackluster core of repetition and mediocrity. Especially since modding is just so basic and they won't patch in the removed content.

But don't worry now they announced The Witcher 4 everyone is back to cock sucking the company like they did nothing wrong. Just like as GTA 6 was leaked everyone stopped hating Rockstar and Take Two and cried in their defense over the leak.

[steelpanther24]

7 hours ago, mircislav said:

Ooooooo, you are well educated.... lucky you... You should join uncle Bill tabor and make this world much better. You little hypocrite... For your half century you still didn't learn anything... As as wrote, take your propaganda elsewhere.

 Now that is unfair.   You were supposed to be intimidated and immediately say "oh a PhD, well obviously here is  a persons whose opinion matters much more than mine."    In any event, remember the rules of the forum and refrain from personal attacks.      As for Oh1972, I am sure after some rest, he will be more composed and less offensive.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[mircislav]

7 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said:

In any event, remember the rules of the forum and refrain from personal attacks

That's OK with me - I do not insult anyone unless provoked... live and let others to live... and never forced my opinion on anyone.

[Vuulgar]

The world has become so silly in that you either agree with me or you're wrong. 

[OH1972]

7 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

And I did say there are 'difficulties'. But I'm not sure how that's a "smear" at all; Because despite your obliviousness to reality; The games industry was booming during the pandemic. Profits where up, stocks where up, player rates where up, and so on. The games industry was one of the very few that actually thrived during the pandemic. So you can just take your 2 sentence trolling elsewhere.

 

Because if you don't know what your talking about, it's best not to speak at all.

 

Then I'd suggest you shut up. Because "the games industry" is neither here nor there. You can only "boom" if you have something to sell in large quantities. As in - a reasonably new product. Comparing the situation of a much smaller game, or one published before lockdowns with the issue at hand is not just nonsense, it's self-contradictory. They needed a product on the market to "boom", so they put one out.

[OH1972]

36 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said:

 Now that is unfair.   You were supposed to be intimidated and immediately say "oh a PhD, well obviously here is  a persons whose opinion matters much more than mine."    In any event, remember the rules of the forum and refrain from personal attacks.    

 

As in you believe a pandemic has nothing to do with medical sciences and education and research do not, in fact, impart any headway in subject knowledge, no, it's just an empty boast.

[OH1972]

7 hours ago, mircislav said:

Because of scientists like you peoples are dying on the street. And those are not insults and projections, you slimy hypocrite, those are facts of the world we are living today.

"Facts of the world" as established by Flat-Earthers who blame everyone and their mother for the consequences of their own denialism.

[aslab]

1 hour ago, OH1972 said:

"Facts of the world" as established by Flat-Earthers who blame everyone and their mother for the consequences of their own denialism.

One question you have to ask yourself, is how will the world react when they realize that science is the main cause of cancer and most other major current diseases. It’s sad that medicine turned in to big business over being a noble profession. To be fair human degradation is just as much the churches fault as it is sciences. If both science and religion where removed, there will be another evil as bad or worse popping up. When religion and science learn to work with nature, we will see up to a 10x increase in yield, both physically and mentally. But hey dependent people are easier to control, so instead of having an abundance of free energy and food we get an abundance of pain and suffering.

[steelpanther24]

2 hours ago, OH1972 said:

 

Then I'd suggest you shut up.

 

 

2 hours ago, OH1972 said:

 

As in you believe a pandemic has nothing to do with medical sciences and education and research do not, in fact, impart any headway in subject knowledge, no, it's just an empty boast.

 

 

2 hours ago, OH1972 said:

"Facts of the world" as established by Flat-Earthers who blame everyone and their mother for the consequences of their own denialism.

 

 

So, his opinion on CP2077 being popular on Steam is "shut up, if you say anything then you are a COVID denier, and a flat earther"    At least he didn't call anyone a nazi yet, but I am sure that is going to be soon.  

 

At least there is a nifty little tool here on LL to ignore those who do not contribute. 

 

WRT CP2077,  it is an entertainment service/product.   Delays are allowable, but using excuses to justify why the product is poor is not generally good marketing.   However, without a PhD in Biotechnology, I can only state that as opinion.  If only there were more PhD in Biotechnology at gaming companies, the state of games would be sooo much better.

[Wandering_Mania]

2 hours ago, OH1972 said:

Then I'd suggest you shut up. Because "the games industry" is neither here nor there. You can only "boom" if you have something to sell in large quantities. As in - a reasonably new product. Comparing the situation of a much smaller game, or one published before lockdowns with the issue at hand is not just nonsense, it's self-contradictory. They needed a product on the market to "boom", so they put one out.

You tell me to shut up, but I see you replying to every one here in multiple posts. So I suggest you take your own advice.

 

Also I guess The Witcher 1, 2, and 3, plus all their DLCs don't count as already released that CDPR can "broom" out the door. As you can still find and buy all 3 on Steam and GOG. Not to mention all the games on GOG are sold by CPDR as they own that platform.

 

You know nothing, about what you speak, and this thread was much better without you here.

[aslab]

Quick question, is Redmod substantial like it claims to be? Or is it just another bluff by CdRed. What I’m asking is, is it possible to create quest and add animation, like it claims it can. I know that red engine is supposed to be garbage and not many people know how to use Redmod yet. What I’m asking is, with difficulty aside, is it theoretical possible to seriously alter this game with the current tools like making sex mods.

[27X]

12 hours ago, OH1972 said:

"Leads to" is neither here nor there. 77 is strongly connected to CP2020, and directly references Firestorm:Stormfront and Firestorm:Shockwave.

 

Your comments scream of not knowing half as much about either Cyberpunk as a genre or the tradition of the RTG game specifically. "Hardwired", which I mentioned in the post you replied to, isn't even from Gibson. Walter Jon Williams, author of "Hardwired", was strongly connected with Pondsmith and the RTG crew, not only contributing to the "Hardwired" supplement, but also playtesting the original game.

 

And Pondsmith himself writes in LUYPS: "As a cyberpunk, your job is to hit the future head on and beat it, not cower in a corner longing for the Good Old Days. As far as you're
concerned, it won't get any better till you make it better."

...

"When I wrote the first Cyberpunk game years ago, I didn't suspect it would evolve into a multileveled science fiction epic that would be shared by tens of thousands of people around
the world. But what I did see was a future; a future not quite here yet, where Humanity and Technology would collide and create something new. It was a dark vision, because any time you enter an unknown realm, the road ahead is dark. But I figured we were fated to be going there one way or the other, so why not try to get a sense of what it would be like? Why
not illuminate the pits and the traps before they were on us like an icy spot on the highway at night? In the martial arts, a kata is a series of moves, almost a dance routine, designed to move through all the steps of an actual attack or defense. Roleplaying is like that, too; it allows you to work out how you'll deal with a situation before it arrives (if ever). It tests your understanding of what is going on around you, and it allows you to make decisions, check reactions, and know yourself within the safe confines of your imagination. Think of this game as a kata. For the Dark Future; a future you may not even want to have. If you want to change it, this is your chance to practice how you'll do it. If you want to be part of it, this'll give you some idea of what it will be like, and whether you think you' ll be ready." (Mike Pondsmith, "What is Cyberpunk?")

 

In the same section, Ross "Spyke" Winn adds: "The idea behind the Cyberpunk 2020 game is revolution. Other games usually revolve around survival, in Cyberpunk, survival is secondary. What is important is accomplishing something. To keep from being just another statistic. It is the concept of empowerment. The ability of a person to make a difference
in their world. Whether it's the small world of a burnt-out neighborhood, or a Corporation that controls the assets of a Nation. That is your world, and that world is where you must make a difference. This is a world of opportunity, a world where a person can make their own way. We can change the world, right now!"

 

The point of the setting is NOT that you can't make a difference, that in the end, you're just an inconsequential cog ground up by the larger mechanism dominated by the corps - quite the contrary. You may die, yes, but not as some cruel joke on the side, but because it may be necessary to make that change you want to affect. 

 

Which all the more makes letting V die to bring back Johnny such a ridiculous idea.

 

 

For someone spouting being an expert you should probably finish out the context you started because Pondsmith covered how revolutions work pretty succinctly which is the literal punk in cyberpunk and just like most punk endeavors there is no happy ending other than what you or your potential circle get from it.

 

The second half of your diatribe literally contradicts your earlier attempt an exegesis which isn't even needed, because the entire counterpoint of the thread's original premise is Badowski's The Matricular Adventures of Johnny Silverhand starring John Matrix from the Matrix doesn't fit 77, Red or even CDPR's first two treatments of the game's premise and presentation, and I really like the part where you literally repeat what I already said but twice as long, which renders the point of your point specious at best.

 

 

[Vyxenne]

18 hours ago, OH1972 said:

 

Huh? That qote is not from me. It's from a post by mircislav

Fixed it. Sorry.