REQUEST: IGNORE feature to include Mod Downloads

[DoctaSax]

Tbh, if sim uploaders stop doing multiple single uploads and combine them all into one page, they get reported for 'bumping' the page when they add a new file too. So there's really no way for them to do it 'right', it's lose-lose. There's no good way to regulate what and how much gets uploaded, within the confines of what's acceptable, and I don't even think there should be.

 

That isn't to say there wouldn't be a lot of use for better customization options for the site user to weed out what they don't want, but that very much depends on what is and isn't possible technically.

 

 

[Elgate]

1 hour ago, LongDukDong said:

To @Elgate,

 

Please change the topic title.  Something like  REQUEST: IGNORE feature to include Mod Downloads

 

Currently, this thread appears more like someone asking for advice.  Instead, I suggest that it should appear as a petition to add additional functionality to the Ignore option in your UserCP so you can check something like   [X] Downloads.  Likewise, I would suggest altering your initial first post to suggest that as an option given the flood from these individuals (okay, this one guy!).

 

Now I am not sure if the feature is possible, but it may.  This would be the best solution, to attract staff attention to this particular topic, and let them see that it is an issue.  Forum Politics... as it were.

 

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'Tis unfortunate it cannot be solved any other way.  I mean, what can be done by a moderator but to ask him "Would you please stop making multiple downloads?".  The rules do not suggest limits, and cannot as the purpose of the forum is a game mod development forum.  It goes against its very intent. And as the downloads contain viable content, they actually cannot be classified as spam, despite how obnoxious the poster has become.

I'll try, but I'm not sure I can. I have the option of deleting the post, but I don't see it to update the title.

[LongDukDong]

Simple.

 

When editing the first post, the title for the thread (above) becomes editable as well. 

[Elgate]

2 minutes ago, LongDukDong said:

Simple.

 

When editing the first post, the title for the thread (above) becomes editable as well. 

Thanks, I was expecting to find the post title change in the "Moderation Actions" part. Now updated ?

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I could be wrong about this but doesn't sims 4 have a sim uploader built into the game itself?

Most of these files are pushing 200MBs each. Its got to be adding disproportionate strain on LL storage?

Why not just let megabucks ea host them...?

 

(Why are they so big even when compressed?)

The Sims 4 does have a gallery where people can upload their created Sims (and other content such as houses) up for people to download. I think they also have a built in CC manager but I don't play the Sims 4 only the Sims 3 so I'm basing this on what other people have said. The only reason I can think of for people to upload their sims here instead of there is that the sims themselves might not be appropriate for the gallery. That, or they just don't like using the gallery. From what I've heard it's not the best when it comes to filtering content but I don't play the Sims 4 so I wouldn't know.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Crystallia

[27X]

31 minutes ago, Crystallia said:

The Sims 4 does have a gallery where people can upload their created Sims (and other content such as houses) up for  people to download. I think they have also a built in CC manager but I don't play the Sims 4 only the Sims 3 so I'm basing this on what other have people have said. The only reason I can think of for people to upload their sims here instead of there is that the sims themselves might not be appropriate for the gallery. That, or they just don't like using the gallery. From what I've heard it's not the best when it comes to filtering content but I don't play the Sims 4 so I wouldn't know.

 

The issue isn't uploading content, the issue is deliberate content whoring and hogging.

 

These people know exactly what they're doing

1 hour ago, DoctaSax said:

it's lose-lose.

 

Nope.

 

Monoman and OsmelMC and literally every Skyrim animator have managed to continually update their content without having to slather smegma all over the entire dl feed and not one single person has been killed.

[LongDukDong]

Like @27X  said, that isn't the problem.  It is more towards intent of individuals to 'score' as top uploaders as if it were a game to them.

 

We were typing at the same time... I just get long-winded and lawyer-like.  ?

 

A single person uploaded over twenty individual sim uploads, all nearly identical within a single day.  This rather than placing them all within a single uploadable package which would actually be the proper way if he had that many to post. And within the posts, he bragged that his posts were "A little bit of eyecandy, who has intentions to be famous Submitter".  That doesn't sound as if the use of the Sims Uploader is even an issue to him, but bragging rights instead.

 

That's why the topic author had issue seeing "all new topics are filled with the exact same stuff" and the topic is now a feature request to block/ignore certain mod creators when viewing the New Files list as you could ignore them any other time.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by LongDukDong

[Guest]

I know that the issue is one creator uploading multiple files all at once that could easily be combined into a single upload. A few days ago the entire new uploads feature was nothing but posters all uploaded by the same creator. I was just answering Monoman1's question of whether the Sims 4 has it's own built in Sim uploader.

 

Other than that, I agree with the request of including a block/ignore function for mod downloads. On the Nexus at least we can block certain creators whose mods we have no interest in so we don't see them on downloads.

[arliel]

5 hours ago, Gukahn said:

I must say.. The Sims uploads these days.. One new Topic for each painting, this guy is overdoing it

I actually rarely download CC and small mods off this site (moreso the larger/main ones). But when I do, I actually appreciate a list, as in person provides a list of their content. If it's for CC, provide corresponding pictures. If a character, just a link and a few pictueres is fine. I hate shopping, and that applies to when I want to find things for a game. I don't wnat to look through pages and pages of stuff, even if I go through the creator's content. Sometimes they post SO much crap individually, there's still a lot to go through.

 

4 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

11 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Most of these files are pushing 200MBs each. Its got to be adding disproportionate strain on LL storage?

Why not just let megabucks ea host them...?

 

(Why are they so big even when compressed?)

Apparently, sims doesn't have dependencies, therefore, you have to cram 200+ mb of meshes and textures for their clothing (taken without permission, of course) into the upload.

And images/3d-objects just don't compress very well.

Well, there is also the fact that certain things are "frowned upon" so to speak. Like WW, violence, drugs, etc. In the Sim Forums (not this site), you can't even say "crap". And Sims Resource may provide "sexy" types of clothing CC, but they still don't have nudity, etc. Patreon seems to allow some of this content, but you may have to serach through countless pages to find something, and the creator might also not offer free stuff. People like free stuff. LL provides a places to post the above all in one place, and for free. Although I do agree that creator's can do without giving mulitple items their own separate download file....

 

And in the case of EA/Sim game hosting, you CAN post modded items, or characters with cc within the game, but they won't show unless you click "include custom content". So you do and find a character you like, but they end up not looking right because you don't have have the CC. You can dl them, if you know what they are, but it's also difficult for the creator to list said content, as there is a character limit in the descrition box and in the comments box. Places like Sims Resource and Mod the Sims also provide a place to share characters and such (with more space to list CC), but if I'm not mistaken, they also can't show the "adult" stuff. Like certain nude body parts, pubic hair variations, etc. And they definitely can't host WW, Perversions, etc. Of course, those crerators can create their own website, like Deaderpool did for MCCC, but again, LL provides easy access to those mods, especially to users new to mods.

With that being said, though, and actually being a Sims user, I support the ignore option. Not because I wish to ignore other games, but because I understand how the Sims game and the uploads can be a nuisance to other users here. An option to select only the content you wish to see would be better, but like said, the system capacity is limited. Even just an Ignore option would do wonders.

[bucpar]

5 hours ago, DoctaSax said:

Tbh, if sim uploaders stop doing multiple single uploads and combine them all into one page, they get reported for 'bumping' the page when they add a new file too.

 

 

I don't have any issue of a single file being bumped, even if daily. The issue to me is all or the majority of New Downloads and Updated Recently spammed with simple crap mods.

 

As 27X quoted the rules . . . Don't be a dick.

Edited April 20, 2022 by bucpar

[RohZima]

Maybe the "Whats New" could become "Whats Trending" then you can still see all the junk in the "Recently Updated" feed anyway?

[Grey Cloud]

I agree with the original request for filtering out unwanted mods for games that hold no interest. But as a compromise or alternate suggestion could I suggest at least a colour scheme where each game has a different coloured font? At least that would give an at a glance mental filter.

[worik]

1 hour ago, Grey Cloud said:

But as a compromise or alternate suggestion could I suggest at least a colour scheme where each game has a different coloured font? At least that would give an at a glance mental filter.

?

As a workaround, I have 2 favorites in my browsers:

Skyrim LE : https://www.loverslab.com/files/category/1-skyrim/

Fallout 4: https://www.loverslab.com/files/category/133-fallout-4/

 

At least for those 2 games I am quite happy with what I see in regard to new mods or updates

[Guest]

> Yeap, thinking about someone's suggestion to have an option to choose and see only favorite or chosen mods (and categories), threads, blogs and similar is excellent idea which is not applicable in present LL software. But, if it would be possible, it would reduce a lot of tensions and hostilities toward certain mods, mod makers and the site owner and maintainer. At present the LL situation is like living in our city: You don't want to see and step into dog shit, but you do since it is all over the street and although you don't step in it, you see it because it is there and you have to watch your steps ... otherwise

 

 

[Leoosp]

@Ashal or @DoctaSax Does LL currently use Hide Ignored Content Completly - Utilities and Stats - Invision Community? It's a paid addon that extends and enhances the "Ignore" function, have got a question to the author whether it also works on the "Downloads" section. Also asking whether it could be extended to do what is being requested here, as it has a strong base to build from.

 

Waiting to hear back from the addon's author about the issue.

Edited April 21, 2022 by Leoosp

[Wolfshrike]

Honestly, I think any potential ignore setup should be opt out, so you can opt to not see stuff from specific games (Or groups of games, for stuff like other games). Like I don't care about sims content, and seeing it be 75% or more of the new files tab is a little old, but I'm still interested in stuff coming out for pretty much every other game supported here. 

[Pamatronic]

On 4/21/2022 at 9:24 AM, Grey Cloud said:

I agree with the original request for filtering out unwanted mods for games that hold no interest.

+1 for that.

[goodwaffle]

+1. I think an additional option to ignore a user's files would be preferable, but I'm happy with any solution that lets me exclude a particular user's files.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Site staff can always exercise discretion.  If someone is trying to exploit the letter of the rules to circumvent the spirit of the rules, especially when that circumvention is clearly degrading the experience of other users of the site, then saying, "moderators' hands are tied," is just silly.  It's one thing if there's a hierarchy among staff, and there's disharmony between the ranks.  That's a separate problem if senior staff would undermine the discretion of the frontline staff.  But the site staff, as a body, can certainly act.  For one, the forum rules are not some sacred text handed down from on high.  If people are exploiting a loophole in the rules, the rules can be changed and the loophole can be closed.  But more than that, rules are almost always constructed to leave room for moderator discretion; LoversLab accomplishes this with Rule #2, "Don't be a jerk." 

 

Spamming shitloads of insignificant downloads that should obviously be bundled together is the epitome of being a jerk on this platform.  A moderator should simply reach out to the offenders discretely, privately, and politely and instruct them to bundle their content together or face mass deletions.  If there's a problem with excessive bumping, well, that seems like the lesser evil here, but that could be solved in the same way; they could be instructed that they need to upload all their files for the week in one go rather than spreading them out one every few hours or whatever.  

 

Changing the mechanics of the website and implementing new features seems like a mighty ham-fisted approach to solving a problem that is rooted in exactly the kind of user misbehaviour that moderators exist to correct.  Certain users just need to stop being jerks, and if they don't want to do that of their own volition, well, that's why forums have moderators.  I've been there; it isn't always a fun job, but it's critical to keeping forums running smoothly and harmoniously.

Edited May 11, 2022 by Antiope_Apollonia

[Kashked]

8 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Site staff can always exercise discretion. 

 

Couldn't agree more. Yes, there is a point to clear rules, and I wouldn't want, for example, the criminal justice system to operate on discretion like that, but this is just a website for sharing mods, I think the judicial framework can be kept rather simple. Telling a couple of people to quit it, just because it's annoying, ought to suffice. It's not a super-widespread problem after all, it's just some days the "New" section can get rather clogged up by one or two users.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

34 minutes ago, Kashked said:

I wouldn't want, for example, the criminal justice system to operate on discretion like that

You might be surprised how much discretion is involved in most countries' criminal justice systems.  Prosecutors have extensive discretion about what cases they bring, what charges they file, and what punishments they seek.  Judges have extensive discretion in sentencing.  Parole boards have extensive discretion in early release.  Etc.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Not sure exactly what has been done, or if certain obnoxious elements have just gotten fatigued and stopped spamming so much on their own, but I feel like this has been a lot better recently, no?

[Guest]

I assume that probably has to do with the fact that clicking download now brings a drop down menu for the game you're looking for instead of the main download page. If someone does spam content you won't notice unless you click the main download.

[LongDukDong]

Not necessarily. The sidebar below New Topics has the New Files window.  At the time of this post, certain individuals were posting mass quantities of like files, And one member who bragged he was striving to be an uber poster and kept releasing individual file character designs, all of which were near-like content that could have been packaged together. This window too was flooded,

And as to the dropdown being the solution. I would say no.  All of those individual character files had at the time flooded the download board for that particular game and game category.

 

However, it appears that things were um... taken care of, and that certain individuals MAY have gotten the word.

Edited June 2, 2022 by LongDukDong

[Guest]

You could just put some categories. There are no categories for Skyrim. The mods are all mixed together, and to find something I need to swim in a sea of followers mods I have no interest in downloading.