Next big game for (sex) modding?

[KainsChylde]

18 hours ago, Idyll said:

It'd take quite the expertise to do zeegee wax drips.

Nothing "drips" in zero G, if you're into hot wax you'd need something like a wax squirt gun. Which is a fun mental image all it's own.

[Farmthat]

Not optimistic Bethesda won't try to profit off mods for future content like the short, disastrous monetization of skyrim modding through steam for awhile, there.

[Darkening Demise]

Creation Club and Xbox will hinder Starfield modding. CC already ruined Fallout 4 modding with constant updates breaking script mods causing modders to give up and abandon their content over the years. Starfield will be no different.

[Blaze69]

23 hours ago, KainsChylde said:

Fuck at least one of every race.

Pretty sure that won't take you long considering the game will only feature humans. Unless you also count feral (possibly but not confirmed, alien) animals and combat bots as "races". Or, if you get down to the technical side of things, the spaceships, since I get the feeling BethBryo 2: Jank Boogaloo will still feature creature-vehicle-races like Vertibirds and Turrets are code-wise in FO4. ?

 

I still have hope CE2 will have enough left of the Skyrim race system to be able to throw some nonhumans into the mix via mods just like we did in FO4, but I'd rather go in with zero expectations since the chance of that not being the case is far from 0.

 

58 minutes ago, Darkening Demise said:

Creation Club and Xbox will hinder Starfield modding. CC already ruined Fallout 4 modding with constant updates breaking script mods causing modders to give up and abandon their content over the years. Starfield will be no different.

The key word there is "hinder". Not "kill", not "finish", not "destroy", but "hinder". Chances are modding will be less convenient and expansive than it is in Skyrim by and large indeed, but the game will still be modded. And hopefully to a somewhat satisfactory level as a whole.

 

Anyone expecting Skyrim-tier experience naughty-mods-wise is up for a rough awakening, though.

[Idyll]

7 hours ago, KainsChylde said:

Nothing "drips" in zero G, if you're into hot wax you'd need something like a wax squirt gun. Which is a fun mental image all it's own.

 

Leave it to me to make it work, I'll find a way... Like I always do.

[paparebbe]

You can shake the candle a little bit to make the drips go in the direction you’d want to ? Though burning oxygen in the space isn’t really wise decision anyways ?

On the subject of the topic: it’s a shame that games like GTA4/5, RDR2 don’t have same sex modding as Skyrim/F4. R* games are basically a perfect platform for that, but lack of proper modding tools for them is a real shame (not even mention recent R* scummy behavior towards modders)

[belegost]

On 3/8/2022 at 10:42 PM, The Man of Steel said:

https://www.ign.com/articles/starfield-mod-support-bethesda

 

"Our plan [is to] have full mod support like our previous games," Howard said. "Our modding community has been with us for 20 years. We love what they do and hope to see more make a career out of it."

 

I wouldn't trust anything Todd says these days. He ain't Peter Molyneux level yet but he's up there and climbing. 

[allfather123]

I bet not even TESVI will be as moddable as Skyrim is atm. Bethesda has the enormous benefit of their games staying alive indefinitly thanks to mod support, but they're always trying to get a piece of the cake. They tried implementing a bunch of stuff to profit on this wave - like Creation Club, but none of them really worked, except for one strategy: selling Skyrim over and over. Even if it breaks mods. Every. God. Damn. Time.

But once they have a new IP, like Starfield or TESVI, they have an opportunity of building the ground rules form the start, and there is a HIGH CHANCE that they will try to put modding under their wings from the start - a Creation Club 2.0 of some sorts. They will say that the games will have full mod support, but it will be much more limited as was the mods they released via their services. That becomes specially probable to happen now that Microsoft owns Bethesda.

 

If that happens, there will be a hiatus of Triple A games with this level of mod support for some years, maybe many years. And then someone will come along a restart the cycle becoming the new Bethesda.

 

That is my prediction anyways.

[fishburger67]

I actually have some faith that CD Project will come through with modding support.  Crazy I know, but Bethesda is still selling Oblivion and Skyrim because of modding support.  Publishers would be stupid not to see why.

[Popo07]

4 hours ago, The Man of Steel said:

I don't understand the pessimism in here, I assumed most users here were Elder Scrolls and/or Fallout fans. Not having mod support would be beyond idiotic and he literally said it would be there. I'll just say that I'm gonna play the game and enjoy it, it's gonna be a futuristic Skyrim/Fallout with a space setting and that's all I'm expecting. All the additional new stuff will be the cherry on top. I'm out.

 Just because I'm a "fan" of a IP does not mean I have to have "faith" that the developer is going to keep or treat the IP the way it was that made me a fan in the first place. It's called the "bait and switch" push crap by selling nostalgia. I'll bet most of the people making the decisions dont even consume the content they create, and only care about the return on investment.

[27X]

5 hours ago, The Man of Steel said:

I don't understand the pessimism in here, I assumed most users here were Elder Scrolls and/or Fallout fans. Not having mod support would be beyond idiotic and he literally said it would be there. I'll just say that I'm gonna play the game and enjoy it, it's gonna be a futuristic Skyrim/Fallout with a space setting and that's all I'm expecting. All the additional new stuff will be the cherry on top. I'm out.

 

Because you're not a beth modder.

[Megumin.]

On 2/23/2022 at 9:39 PM, Currency Buckwell said:

I'm thinking it might end up being Baldur's Gate 3. Considering Larian is literally working on customizing the romance scenes/animations for different races, it might be able to top the lewdness Skyrim modders created once BG3's modding scene gets going. It's still in early access, so it might be too early to tell, though.

Did they confirmed modding support? If yes, is it full support like skeletons and animations or just nude skins? 

 

[-Player1-]

3 hours ago, fishburger67 said:

I actually have some faith that CD Project will come through with modding support.  Crazy I know, but Bethesda is still selling Oblivion and Skyrim because of modding support.  Publishers would be stupid not to see why.

 

Ain't going to happen. The doods over at CDPR are just plain up dum'. No offense in saying that but it is, what it is.

Same kind of dumb as Ubisoft and EA became.

 

50% don't care about anything but mone'

50% no idea what they are doin'

 

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For the time being, untill we get a new creation-engine game, we have to stick with Fallout and Elder Scrolls.

People been talkin' about creating a whole, new and exciting system for CP77 (Sex-framework) but most of them were just a bunch of 'sir talk'alots', the others have no idea how little the possibilities are, when it comes to modding this game, at least as of now.

 

There were games that had a bright future but were dropped by community and modders alike.

 

The games that you should keep an eye out for are starfield, Elder scrolls 6 (IF and only IF we don't get the same kinda bs that we had to endure with 76 or creation-club, otherwise modders will just drop it .. Again) and Sims 5. 

Forget the rest.

[Popo07]

2 hours ago, -Player1- said:

For the time being, untill we get a new creation-engine game, we have to stick with Fallout and Elder Scrolls.

  Dont expect a Fallout game anytime soon, a dev for 76 already said they plan to milk it till its tits fall off 3 to 5 years min. Also I'll assume most of the Starfield team will head to Skyrim 2 at release.

[Idyll]

36 minutes ago, Popo07 said:

Dont expect a Fallout game anytime soon, a dev for 76 already said they plan to milk it till its tits fall off 3 to 5 years min. Also I'll assume most of the Starfield team will head to Skyrim 2 at release.

 

I expect the same...

 

But still, space sex! Zeegee high-velocity cumshots! Nutrient Paste food play!

[belegost]

8 hours ago, fishburger67 said:

I actually have some faith that CD Project will come through with modding support.  Crazy I know, but Bethesda is still selling Oblivion and Skyrim because of modding support.  Publishers would be stupid not to see why.

Not going to happen. At least not to the same magnitude as TES. TES games are basically sandboxes with a story thrown in for good measure. That allows for a high degree of flexibility.

 

CDPR makes story focused games with optional open world thrown in for good measure. Actually only one of their games was a true open world. The rest were just adventures with a possibility of varying degrees of exploration. Much less flexible in terms of what you can do as a modder. Unless they completely throw their core philosophy out the widow you will never get this level of mod support. 

[27X]

9 hours ago, fishburger67 said:

I actually have some faith that CD Project will come through with modding support.  Crazy I know, but Bethesda is still selling Oblivion and Skyrim because of modding support.  Publishers would be stupid not to see why.

 

They've sold 15 million copies. They don't give the slightest fuck about modding other than looking for people they can press gang to get the legally obligated DLCs done. The people that built redkit 1 and 2 and wolfkit don't work for CDPR anymore.

[-Player1-]

26 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

They've sold 15 million copies. They don't give the slightest fuck about modding other than looking for people they can press gang to get the legally obligated DLCs done. The people that built redkit 1 and 2 and wolfkit don't work for CDPR anymore.

 

This, basically.

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They've shown their true face a LOT of times but people never got it. 'They care for the community, not for the money' ...

Now with the release of 1.5, the update that was needed since launch, we were told that 1.5 counts as 1 of the 2 dlcs they are going to release for free.

After 1.5 a lot of bad reviews were published, talking about lies and about that 1.5 still hasn't delivered on SO many unfullfilled promises.

Tho they kept telling everyone that ALL the bad reviews were due to review-bombing from angry russians lately. Imagine that.

That screams 'we love the community' ain't it?

 

The amount of modding we got for CP77 at the moment is, most likely, all we get out of it for the time being.

But, let's be honest. i Liked playing CP77 a lot and i'm a fan of the whole thing.

Tho the city was one of the most over-hyped, boring and empty areas i've seen in a game in a while.

 

The 'living' city is nothing more than a lie.

Always was, always will be. And we are not going to talk about all the braindead npc's that still disgust the livin' shit out of me.

Heck, Riverwood has more life to it than NC. And we talkin' the vanilla one, not the modded, awesome one.

If CP77 didn't have visuals as awesome as we got them, nobody would be talkin' about it anymore.

 

But modders were never really as surprised about the visuals as all the console-trolls were about 'em.

Simply because Skyrim, with ENB and Mesh/Tex mods looks damn fine.

.. Or like every other newer Unreal game.

[belegost]

1 hour ago, -Player1- said:

The 'living' city is nothing more than a lie.

 

Novigrad in W3 was more alive than Night City in CP2077.

 

Actually, even damn Vyzima in Witcher 1 felt more alive. And that was in 2007.

[DocClox]

I'm trying to manage my expectations for Starfield.

 

I'm hoping that now that Zenimax aren't desperately trying to pump up the share price, Bethesda will stop trying to tax the modding process and backpedal a bit on this Kreation Klub nonsense. If so, things should be good, allowing for the usual slew of tech problems that we see with each new game.

 

If they don't do that, then I foresee them putting obstacles in  the way of publishing mods in order to try and force modders to release through BGS channels rather than sites like  Nexus and LL.

 

The fact that they retired that damned launcher, and the firesale price for the AE bundle leaves me feeling cautiously optimistic. But as I say, I want to manage my expectations.

[-Player1-]

8 hours ago, DocClox said:

I'm trying to manage my expectations for Starfield.

 

I'm hoping that now that Zenimax aren't desperately trying to pump up the share price, Bethesda will stop trying to tax the modding process and backpedal a bit on this Kreation Klub nonsense. If so, things should be good, allowing for the usual slew of tech problems that we see with each new game.

 

If they don't do that, then I foresee them putting obstacles in  the way of publishing mods in order to try and force modders to release through BGS channels rather than sites like  Nexus and LL.

 

The fact that they retired that damned launcher, and the firesale price for the AE bundle leaves me feeling cautiously optimistic. But as I say, I want to manage my expectations.

 

They know for a fact that people hated their CC-bs. That's why nothing more was done with f04 after a while and why they went back to skyrim.

They acknowledged that mods/modding is what keeps people interested, even after so long.

Now it comes down to Zenimax and people in charge.

 

If we get some kind of CC-bs, this will keep happening to all the other ip's and Bethesdas future will go the same route as Ubisoft and EA.

Money and money alone.

If not, future games have a chance to be picked up by modders, even many years after release, making it as moddable as skyrim - in terms of probability and, depending on the engine and the accessability of it, in terms of community-interest.

 

Even if Skyrim was very moddable but didn't have, let's say no way of creating animations, for example, not nearly as much modders/players would stick around. 7 out of 10 mods on Nexus center about tits. And most people want to see them jumping up and down, obviously. Bethesda knows that, they don't acknowledge that, but they know it. Same goes for whickedwhims for sims. EA knows about it, they even acknowledged it, afaik, and EA is known to take actions against stuff like that, but even EA didn't, simply because real sex in Sims is something they could NEVER implement, given the audience they aim for but is something they know gets ten thousands of additional players hooked. So they tolerate it. 

[-Player1-]

7 hours ago, The Man of Steel said:

 

Based on the upvotes most people in here agree with you. My problem is that the overall tone of this topic is skepticism, and I didn't comment to participate in that kind of discussion and then have a bunch of people tell me why the game could potentially suck. My mistake, discussion threads are not for me. This will be my last reply.

 

Yes and no.

 

Problem is, most adults been around for some time now, when it comes to gaming, that is.

We've seen the good ol' games'n times and we've seen it all go downhill after a while.

 

Most people like that don't trust developers anymore, for a reason.

 

I can remember Ubisoft and EA making great, finished and fun games to play. But a lot of younger players never had the chance to get to know the 'old companies' - they only know ubisoft and ea for a bout a few years, when they already went south with what they do. THOSE people tend to hype everything, buy everything and upvote everything with a meme-quote on steam. They are optimistic, not only because our youth is a bunch of braindead monkees, compared to generations before, no, but because they were raised to act like that by companies like CDPR or Ubisoft, for example. To hype absolutely everything for no real reason, just because most of them only know their console-trash-visuals, right?

 

People here on LoversLab are usually older and more experienced, when it comes to mentioned things, tho people that try and be part of discussions and online-threads nowadays, old, young, dumb, smart - you name it, those are usually not up for hyping or letting their immense skepticism aside for a while. Most older people/gamers are very, very unhappy with what gaming has become and sometimes (a lotta times, actually..) they can't stop this, can't stop being unhappy with the whole situation and start making others unhappy because of it. Like in a relationship.

 

Everyone wants to be in the right, everyone wants the others to know about his or her opinion.

The system shaped us into assholes, there's no denying that - Especially online we tend to vent and tend to be even more unhappy and sceptic than usual.

 

But that's no excuse for anything, you should expect a fair amount of skepticism in threads like that, especially on sites like LoversLab.

And, you might've seen it coming, if you can't deal with that than, yea, you might be wrong here.

Although, LoversLab is a rather fair and respectful place, one of the few remaining sanctuaries - Most of the internet is far, far worse.

 

 

Edit: completely forgot - but because of mentioning 'sanctuaries' a minute ago, here, have at thee. Make sure to put it on 1.1 speed.

Spoiler

 

 

[Baltasarr80]

On 3/14/2022 at 11:38 PM, Idyll said:

 

Same, though it'd rather be "be fucked by at least one of every race".

 

Imagine SpaceBDSM... ?

 

It'd take quite the expertise to do zeegee wax drips.

I thought of a somewhat version of Lost in Laminate / Laminate Calling / Torei gameplay mmmmmh (well i can dream at least)

[Popo07]

7 hours ago, The Man of Steel said:

Based on the upvotes most people in here agree with you. My problem is that the overall tone of this topic is skepticism, and I didn't comment to participate in that kind of discussion and then have a bunch of people tell me why the game could potentially suck. My mistake, discussion threads are not for me. This will be my last reply.

  Judging by this response you dont want discussion ,you want compliance, if you wanted discussion you would have gave us reasons why we should be frothing at the mouth for these releases, and asking for our reasons why we were skeptical of said companies.

[Vyxenne]

8 hours ago, Popo07 said:

you dont want discussion ,you want compliance