Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[gazebo09]

I was thinking about a way to leave which follower owns Lola first to RNG without simple slavery, and I thought of an idea I wanted to share.

 

To get married, the player wears an Amulet of Mara to show they're available, and eligible partners express interest. What if Lola could wear a piece of jewelry or an accessory as a secret code for "I want a strong hand to guide me," and one of her followers suddenly reveals they're in-the-know and claims them at a random point during their travels (or after a certain trigger, like going to sleep or entering an inn or a major hold)? It could leave Lola's owner to RNG (using follower frameworks that allow multiple followers, ie most of them) with a more consensual element compared to Simple Slavery, and adds a bit of a roleplay novelty, like being surprised that their follower knows about the book/wanted them all this time, admitting that they suspected the follower had such urges, or getting cold feet but forced to deal with it since they've reached the point of no return.

 

What I had in mind for the accessory piece is a choker with something hanging from the front; it looks like ordinary jewelry, but it's actually the remote for the shock collar (or whatever they're using to shock Lola for disobedience), and anybody looking to own her (and who knows the significance of it) just has to grab it and pull it off. That said, that might require additional assets to be made.

[lovalter]

11 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

If the vibration continued after the restraints were removed, that's a mystery.  The event won't remove them until vibration ends.

 

If the vibration ended very quickly, your forced vibration setting in the MCM might be very low, or something caused DD's vibration function to terminate.  DD does require that character have a plug or piercing equipped, but the event shouldn't start unless that's true.  Conceivably, it could be something esoteric like an effect on your character that cancel spells, but the timed vibration spell that this mod uses is flagged to ignore resistance, absorption, and reflection, so that's very unlikely.

The vibrations continued, but I didn't get any additional dialogue or anything (not sure if there's even supposed to be some)

[Hex Bolt]

4 minutes ago, gazebo09 said:

I was thinking about a way to leave which follower owns Lola first to RNG without simple slavery, and I thought of an idea I wanted to share.

The Follower Asks option has randomness.  You won't know when the follower will ask, though it's usually not a long wait, and it does require the PC to talk to the follower (which happens naturally for inventory or wait here talk).  You can accept, pass for now, or tell that specific follower to never ask again, so it's flexible.  It seems like that might do what you want.

 

The Strong Hand quest is intentionally simple, but for performance (essentially zero impact) and reliability, with the goal of It Just Works.  If you're familiar with Devious Followers, then you've seen the complaints that sometimes a follower never approaches the PC, so the mod never gets going.

 

14 minutes ago, gazebo09 said:

What I had in mind for the accessory piece is a choker with something hanging from the front; it looks like ordinary jewelry, but it's actually the remote for the shock collar (or whatever they're using to shock Lola for disobedience), and anybody looking to own her (and who knows the significance of it) just has to grab it and pull it off. That said, that might require additional assets to be made.

Personally, I think Lola would be a lot more selective.  The town drunk could pull off the control, with no desire to give Lola a strong hand other than to whore her nonstop to keep him in booze.  The existing Follower Asks start lets Lola decide, and it's usually stated that the follower has seen Lola with the Submissive Lola book, which fills the Amulet of Mara role for submissives.

[Hex Bolt]

17 minutes ago, lovalter said:

The vibrations continued, but I didn't get any additional dialogue or anything (not sure if there's even supposed to be some)

There is no conversation after the vibration starts.  Possibly another mod might be removing the restraints.  If you happen to get a papyrus log of when that happens, it might show something.  You can try to get the event by entering "StartQuest vkjTrick" in the console and keep trying until you get it.

 

This one is safe to test that way, but I ask that if anyone does test an event artificially like this, be sure to tell me that if you report a bug.  I've had people give me bug reports when they artificially start an event and messed it up because they didn't understand what they were doing, and they didn't bother to tell me.  I've wasted hours looking for nonexistent bugs because of stuff like that, which leaves me frustrated and not wanting to look at the mod for a while.

[lovalter]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

There is no conversation after the vibration starts.  Possibly another mod might be removing the restraints.  If you happen to get a papyrus log of when that happens, it might show something.  You can try to get the event by entering "StartQuest vkjTrick" in the console and keep trying until you get it.

 

This one is safe to test that way, but I ask that if anyone does test an event artificially like this, be sure to tell me that if you report a bug.  I've had people give me bug reports when they artificially start an event and messed it up because they didn't understand what they were doing, and they didn't bother to tell me.  I've wasted hours looking for nonexistent bugs because of stuff like that, which leaves me frustrated and not wanting to look at the mod for a while.

Here, at the end

Papyrus.0.log

[gazebo09]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

The Follower Asks option has randomness.  You won't know when the follower will ask, though it's usually not a long wait, and it does require the PC to talk to the follower (which happens naturally for inventory or wait here talk).  You can accept, pass for now, or tell that specific follower to never ask again, so it's flexible.  It seems like that might do what you want.

My gripe is that it's up to the PC to "choose" which of their followers they'll interact with first. The first option won't always be the one to speak, but there would still be a "priority system" of sorts if you have to choose between talking to Stenvar or Ahtar next.

 

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

Personally, I think Lola would be a lot more selective.  The town drunk could pull off the control, with no desire to give Lola a strong hand other than to whore her nonstop to keep him in booze.  The existing Follower Asks start lets Lola decide, and it's usually stated that the follower has seen Lola with the Submissive Lola book, which fills the Amulet of Mara role for submissives.

Could justify it as Lola still being selective enough that she would swat away a hand from the local beggar, but she'd eventually drop her guard around a follower that she trusts to watch her back, long enough for them to reach over her shoulder and swipe the remote. There's also explanations like "others are hesitant to make a move because they don't know if Lola is wearing it for enslavement reasons, while the followers saw her with the book and know," "it's a very obscure practice that only those that read certain editions of the book know about," or simply tried and true "don't worry about it."

[JustMe469]

One of my favourite things in this mod (I forget the name of the action) is when Master/Mistress instructs Lola to choose one of 2 people and either lick their boots or give them oral. I was wondering if you've considered adding any other actions to the list? Offering anal? Tie Lola up and have their way with her? That sort of thing. 

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, lovalter said:

Here, at the end

Thanks.  That indicates that DD is removing what appears to be an armbinder.  In your DD settings, do you have "Use Bound Animations" enabled?  I'm not sure if it treats vibration as sex (I wouldn't think so) but enabling it might make a difference, if you can test that.  If we can narrow this down to a setting, I should be able to do something.

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, gazebo09 said:

My gripe is that it's up to the PC to "choose" which of their followers they'll interact with first. The first option won't always be the one to speak, but there would still be a "priority system" of sorts if you have to choose between talking to Stenvar or Ahtar next.

I'm just not eager to change the existing system for "follower asks".  It's simple and reliable.  You might just trust your intuition.  When a follower asks, if it feels right, accept.  If not, say no for now.  The follower won't be offended and will ask again later unless you specifically say not to ever ask again.

 

3 hours ago, JustMe469 said:

One of my favourite things in this mod (I forget the name of the action) is when Master/Mistress instructs Lola to choose one of 2 people and either lick their boots or give them oral. I was wondering if you've considered adding any other actions to the list? Offering anal? Tie Lola up and have their way with her? That sort of thing. 

Those two choices work reasonably well for a city setting.  A blowjob can be fairly discrete, but rolling around on the ground is not.  Bound sex can have problems with animations.  I can give it some thought, but nothing really fun and practical comes to mind.  One thing that I really should change is the context.  The quest is "I Am Famous", which originally apparently focused on Lola as the Dragonborn (with alternate starts, she might not be) and trashing her reputation by publicly being a slut.  I've shifted that with added dialog toward displaying the owner's control, but I should probably just do a thorough job.  It would still work the same, but if Lola is famous for anything, it's probably being a whore, and these acts just reinforce that perception.

[kingsglaive]

57 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

I'm just not eager to change the existing system for "follower asks".  It's simple and reliable.  You might just trust your intuition.  When a follower asks, if it feels right, accept.  If not, say no for now.  The follower won't be offended and will ask again later unless you specifically say not to ever ask again.

 

Those two choices work reasonably well for a city setting.  A blowjob can be fairly discrete, but rolling around on the ground is not.  Bound sex can have problems with animations.  I can give it some thought, but nothing really fun and practical comes to mind.  One thing that I really should change is the context.  The quest is "I Am Famous", which originally apparently focused on Lola as the Dragonborn (with alternate starts, she might not be) and trashing her reputation by publicly being a slut.  I've shifted that with added dialog toward displaying the owner's control, but I should probably just do a thorough job.  It would still work the same, but if Lola is famous for anything, it's probably being a whore, and these acts just reinforce that perception.

I hope you can consider adding Kalmah's "Restless Slave" to the existing content. I have always liked that setting. Lola is wearing heavy restraints and can only move slowly with pony steps. The Master drives her with a whip from behind. If she walks too slowly, she will be whipped.
However, Kalmah's "Restless Slave" is no longer compatible with the new DD.

[Alenin]

I found a bug with the runic collar when it comes to working with other mods.  When I get sent to simple slavery and they force remove all my items the runic effect sticks around even after the collar is removed.    I haven't tried any other mod that that removes the collar.

[CaptainJ03]

1 hour ago, Alenin said:

I found a bug with the runic collar when it comes to working with other mods.  When I get sent to simple slavery and they force remove all my items the runic effect sticks around even after the collar is removed.    I haven't tried any other mod that that removes the collar.

Might not be a bug. From what I've read (not tested myself) when you're sent to Simple Slavery and still are Lola, being sold does not end your contract, only annoys your Owner who has to buy you back.

[Alenin]

1 hour ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Might not be a bug. From what I've read (not tested myself) when you're sent to Simple Slavery and still are Lola, being sold does not end your contract, only annoys your Owner who has to buy you back.

I suppose that true.  I guess since I have the follower slavery mod that doesn't mean the contract is void.  I am having an issue where CACO is changing the types of cooked food making it impossible to turn in.  Is there any way to disable it?

Edited August 20, 2024 by Alenin

[lovalter]

4 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Thanks.  That indicates that DD is removing what appears to be an armbinder.  In your DD settings, do you have "Use Bound Animations" enabled?  I'm not sure if it treats vibration as sex (I wouldn't think so) but enabling it might make a difference, if you can test that.  If we can narrow this down to a setting, I should be able to do something.

I do have it enabled

 

3 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

I hope you can consider adding Kalmah's "Restless Slave" to the existing content. I have always liked that setting. Lola is wearing heavy restraints and can only move slowly with pony steps. The Master drives her with a whip from behind. If she walks too slowly, she will be whipped.
However, Kalmah's "Restless Slave" is no longer compatible with the new DD.

Works fine for me

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, Alenin said:

I found a bug with the runic collar when it comes to working with other mods.  When I get sent to simple slavery and they force remove all my items the runic effect sticks around even after the collar is removed.

The effect isn't tied to the collar, which allows it to work with any collar.  CaptainJ03 was right about Simple Slavery.  The events in SLTR are suspended at that time, but mod is still active.  There is a setting for the runic circles to have no visible effect when events are suspended.  That would hide the effect at the auction.

 

3 hours ago, Alenin said:

I am having an issue where CACO is changing the types of cooked food making it impossible to turn in.

That shouldn't be the case.  The food items for the rustic meal are entirely added by this mod, and that's the case for half of those for home cooking.  Those recipes should always be available.  Have you told the owner, "I'm sorry, I don't have the ingredients"?  I had tried CACO for a full playthrough at one time and found its changes to be too sweeping and intrusive, with potential for mod conflicts.  However, I recall a declutter menu option that might be hiding from you the recipes for vanilla meals.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, lovalter said:

I do have it enabled

Hmm, I'd tested armbinders with that event and it worked fine with DD 5.2.  Your log indicated that DD is removing the armbinder when it decides that your character should use a different animation.  The series of events in the log shows it going through the bound combat script.  You wouldn't be in combat if the SLRT event triggers, but it might be normal for DD to prepare the PC for bound combat.

 

I suggest asking on the DD support topic.  The situation in the event is not unusual.  It's quite possible to have an armbinder equipped when a vibrating device triggers, and it would be weird to have vibration remove heavy bondage.  That could even occur elsewhere with this mod, if "Time to Relax" triggers (or the friendly fire punishment), the owner binds your hands, and on the way to town the owner decides to vibrate you.  Have you had that situation occur, and if so, did things work okay for you?

[lovalter]

43 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Hmm, I'd tested armbinders with that event and it worked fine with DD 5.2.  Your log indicated that DD is removing the armbinder when it decides that your character should use a different animation.  The series of events in the log shows it going through the bound combat script.  You wouldn't be in combat if the SLRT event triggers, but it might be normal for DD to prepare the PC for bound combat.

 

I suggest asking on the DD support topic.  The situation in the event is not unusual.  It's quite possible to have an armbinder equipped when a vibrating device triggers, and it would be weird to have vibration remove heavy bondage.  That could even occur elsewhere with this mod, if "Time to Relax" triggers (or the friendly fire punishment), the owner binds your hands, and on the way to town the owner decides to vibrate you.  Have you had that situation occur, and if so, did things work okay for you?

Just triggered that event and got vibed, armbinder stayed on no problems. I'll try to see if it's a DD issue 👍

[donttouchmethere]

On 8/18/2024 at 8:36 PM, Hex Bolt said:

Using one of the pretty vampire follower mods is certainly the cleanest way to have "Serana" as an owner, and it's easy to rename her with Jaxonz Renamer or a simple mod edit.  As you said, if the transition is too immersion-breaking, maybe Serana wasn't interested in Lola's request, but she has a dominant friend who'd be perfect for it.

From the depths of Nexus:

Lucrezia Volkihar - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/113883 (rather complicated o.o)

 

The things you find if you're not looking for them =D

 

Come to think of it:  @Heroine HoneyCrotch's Sabatha: Hert's Sister, Herts Sawmill, Riverwood on the weekends, Deadmans Drink during the week

 

I know, I know, you don't need a vamp, but I had to share my excitement ^^

Edited August 21, 2024 by donttouchmethere

[Hex Bolt]

I've mentioned changing the tag criteria for rough sex animations for the next update.  After investigation, I've settled on an approach that should please almost everyone.  I will pull both rough and aggressive animations, merge the lists, and use the combined set for rough sex.

 

I can't simply ask SexLab for Rough or Aggressive animations in one pass because the scene often requires another tag, such as anal, and SexLab doesn't support a lookup for Anal + (Rough OR Aggressive), and I've seen no animations that are tagged both Rough and Aggressive (which is reasonable, because rough is not aggressive).

 

The obvious disadvantage is performance, but this only matters for rough sex, which is uncommon, and on my system (which admittedly is pretty fast), the time to get all rough or aggressive vaginal animations is just 0.05 seconds.  That's on SexLab LE.  Presumably, SE versions will perform even better.

 

Adding rough animations to the pool of aggressive ones will dilute the violence level and offer more variety.

 

I found some interesting statistics for my installation, which of course might not be average.  Details:

 

Spoiler

Excluding bound or furniture animations.

 

Rough Animations

All:  7

Oral:  2

Blowjob:  2

Cunnilingus:  1

Vaginal:  4

Anal:  1

 

Aggressive Animations

All:  19

Oral:  1

Blowjob:  1

Cunnilingus:  0

Vaginal:  14

Anal:  5

 

Adding rough animations makes a significant contribution, especially for Oral, Blowjob, and Cunnilingus.

 

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

and I've seen no animations that are tagged both Rough and Aggressive

That's weird. When I casually open SLAL and look into Billy's DD animations, I find a plethora of animations that are tagged with "rough, bound, aggressive", same with that small LRG(Device) pack. Yes, I'm aware that DDs aren't asked for in this surrounding, but you didn't say which animation packs you're using.

[Edison.Tea]

Hello everyone, tell me what the rule is "It's time to relax" ?

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, Edison.Tea said:

Hello everyone, tell me what the rule is "It's time to relax" ?

carying too much stuff, adjustable in the MCM

[Edison.Tea]

2 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

carying too much stuff, adjustable in the MCM

Does it only work with this mod?
(Submissive Lola - an Extension 1.1.1)

Or do Inot understand something?)

[CaptainJ03]

 

52 minutes ago, Edison.Tea said:

Does it only work with this mod?
(Submissive Lola - an Extension 1.1.1)

 

No, of course not - the extensions are not part of this mod, and are not supported by the Author.

This mod comes with an MCM, there is a Rules Tab.

Find the Line "Weight Limit for Time to Relax" and set the slider to your liking.

 

(attaching the screenshot didn't work, LL is borked, as usual)

 

Edited August 21, 2024 by CaptainJ03

[Edison.Tea]

11 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

 

 

No, of course not - the extensions are not part of this mod, and are not supported by the Author.

This mod comes with an MCM, there is a Rules Tab.

Find the Line "Weight Limit for Time to Relax" and set the slider to your liking.

 

(attaching the screenshot didn't work, LL is borked, as usual)

 

Thanks for the reply)