Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Nyublia]

Hello, I am here to ask a couple of questions because i want to add Lola to my modlist and checking to see if i can with what i have now. So I know that there is the option to be bought from Public Whore by Lola. I want to make this as a 2 week contract based educational slavery. Where the owner that buys the PC is strict mostly but maybe playful occasionally, and I want the PC to be a slave in the city and adventurer outside. Starting with angry and defiant attitude from PC and slowly become more submissive. I'm not looking for deals like with DF, but more like "i bought you, i own you" kind of situation. Any idea if it can be done with this mod and features that enable this?  Of course, if DF is more suitable for my idea then I'll appreciate it you let me know doesn't have to tie in with PW)

Thanks

Edited August 2, 2024 by Nyublia

[Hex Bolt]

38 minutes ago, Nyublia said:

I know that there is the option to be bought from Public Whore by Lola. I want to make this as a 2 week contract based educational slavery. Where the owner that buys the PC is strict mostly but maybe playful occasionally, and I want the PC to be a slave in the city and adventurer outside. Starting with angry and defiant attitude from PC and slowly become more submissive. I'm not looking for deals like with DF, but more like "i bought you, i own you" kind of situation.

You can do all of that.  Be sure to choose the 2-week contract term before the enslavement begins.  You can optionally opt to have contract days added when the PC is punished, to encourage your character to do better.  The owner is very much about ownership and simply making you do things, whereas Devious Followers is about deals that you can choose to accept.

 

Except for the configurable rule for required nudity in certain areas, the mod doesn't distinguish between city and outside other than for which events are possible (a lot more can happen in populated areas).  One of the guiding principles of the mod is to let you keep playing Skyrim without too much hindrance.  Just be aware that the optional add-on mods tend to add harsher events or take over more of your time, so they might run counter to what you want.

 

38 minutes ago, Nyublia said:

Also, I'm using OSL Aroused, does anyone know if it's compatible with Lola?

I don't use it, but maybe others can comment.  There was a time when it seemed that its settings had to be configured to accommodate forced orgasms, because it was ignoring function calls to max out arousal.  I don't know if that's still true.

Edited August 2, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[Nyublia]

9 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

You can do all of that.  Be sure to choose the 2-week contract term before the enslavement begins.  You can optionally opt to have contract days added when the PC is punished, to encourage your character to do better.  The owner is very much about ownership and simply making you do things, whereas Devious Followers is about deals that you can choose to accept.

 

 

Thank you so much for the reply.  This is great news since my settings for slavery makes my PC not that easily enslaved.

 

11 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Except for the configurable rule for required nudity in certain areas, the mod doesn't distinguish between city and outside other than for which events are possible (a lot more can happen in populated areas).  One of the guiding principles of the mod is to let you keep playing Skyrim without too much hindrance.  Just be aware that the optional add-on mods tend to add harsher events or take over more of your time, so they might run counter to what you want.

 

As long as the PC is not forced to crawl or unable to fight then that's ok by me.  I don't plan on adding the add-ons since i have some other mods that i have added to spice up travel and PW and DIN for cities is enough 

 

15 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

I don't use it, but maybe others can comment.  There was a time when it seemed that its settings had to be configured to accommodate forced orgasms, because it was ignoring function calls to max out arousal.  I don't know if that's still true.

 I went and studied the description page some more and found the line about forced orgasms, thank you for pointing it out. I'll keep it and mind and tweak the settings.

 

This has been immensely helpful   Thanks a lot

[Nyublia]

Are there any knows incompatibilities between this mod and SLSF Framework with SLSF Fame Comments?

[Hex Bolt]

22 minutes ago, Nyublia said:

Are there any knows incompatibilities between this mod and SLSF Framework with SLSF Fame Comments?

No, this mod doesn't use them, so it doesn't affect them and is not affected by them.

[Hex Bolt]

I'm currently looking at adding use of arm & leg cuffs.  While I'm at it, are there any suggestions for items that can be added to the other device lists, things that I might have missed?  (Any additions should work consistently.  For example, most hoods also function as gags, but they're not good additions to the list of gags because they block vision and are accessed by the Hood keyword, not the Gag keyword.  Boxbinders are not suitable for generic hand/arm bindings because they force the wearer to be naked, removing the wearer's best piece of clothing and potentially triggering rape mods, so they're not in the same league as hand bindings.)

[tesenfeu]

3 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I'm currently looking at adding use of arm & leg cuffs.  While I'm at it, are there any suggestions for items that can be added to the other device lists, things that I might have missed?  (Any additions should work consistently.  For example, most hoods also function as gags, but they're not good additions to the list of gags because they block vision and are accessed by the Hood keyword, not the Gag keyword.  Boxbinders are not suitable for generic hand/arm bindings because they force the wearer to be naked, removing the wearer's best piece of clothing and potentially triggering rape mods, so they're not in the same league as hand bindings.)

Maybe the restrictive set > corset / boots and glove ?

 

And why not chastity belt and bra ? go well with piercing.

Edited August 3, 2024 by tesenfeu

[kingsglaive]

Whenever the Master wants to fuck Lola, Lola has an option:
Would you like to do it at the nearby inn, Master?
If the Master's sexual desire is high enough, he may not be able to control his desire and refuse Lola's request, and choose to rape Lola directly

[JustMe469]

11 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I'm currently looking at adding use of arm & leg cuffs.  

Yes please do. I like those.   🙂 On another note I was wondering if a future update might include an option when asking your master/mistress if they would like sex. Usually the answer is basically a yes or a no. I was thinking it would be fun if master chooses no, there could be a configurable chance he would say something like "Not right now but I would like to watch you get raped. You haven't suffered enough in service to me. But you surely will." Then an npc is chosen (could be configurable for more than one, gang bang?) and they rape Lola right then and there. Master applauds the scene.

[JustMe469]

I also had an idea for when Master/Mistress wants to play one of those games. How about Master says "You're going to run a simple errand for me but I want to turn it into a game. One of these 3 people has a package for me but I'm not telling you which one. Go ask them. Choose wisely. Any or all of them might demand sex from you and you will comply. Choose the wrong person and you'll have to keep playing. Now move your ass!" Want to add more fun? If Lola takes too long and keeps Master waiting, the package she just picked up could be a new crop or paddle that will be used to punish her tardiness. 

[Hex Bolt]

4 minutes ago, JustMe469 said:

I was wondering if a future update might include an option when asking your master/mistress if they would like sex. Usually the answer is basically a yes or a no. I was thinking it would be fun if master chooses no, there could be a configurable chance he would say something like "Not right now but I would like to watch you get raped. You haven't suffered enough in service to me. But you surely will."

Rape is a line that this mod doesn't cross.  However, you'll be told to have sex with strangers while the owner watches and prostitute yourself, so there should be no lack of sex with others in various situations.

 

In regard to the owner's other point expressed above, an owner doesn't actually want to see Lola suffer except during punishment.  If Lola is obedient, there's need or desire for her to suffer.  If you're bought as a slave, the owner says something like, "you're lucky that I bought you rather than one of the other bidders" and is serious about that.  Lola will never be raped (not by this mod, anyway), starved, marked, marred, tattooed, branded, or otherwise come to any lasting harm, and the owner protects Lola from predators who would do such things to her.  Those "you should thank me" statements have quite a bit of truth behind them.

[Hex Bolt]

18 minutes ago, JustMe469 said:

I also had an idea for when Master/Mistress wants to play one of those games. How about Master says "You're going to run a simple errand for me but I want to turn it into a game. One of these 3 people has a package for me but I'm not telling you which one. Go ask them. Choose wisely. Any or all of them might demand sex from you and you will comply. Choose the wrong person and you'll have to keep playing. Now move your ass!" Want to add more fun? If Lola takes too long and keeps Master waiting, the package she just picked up could be a new crop or paddle that will be used to punish her tardiness. 

You might not have experienced the Pony Express quests yet (they're only available for female characters), but the package pickup variant is essentially what you described.

[JustMe469]

5 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Rape is a line that this mod doesn't cross.  However, you'll be told to have sex with strangers while the owner watches and prostitute yourself, so there should be no lack of sex with others in various situations.

 

In regard to the owner's other point expressed above, an owner doesn't actually want to see Lola suffer except during punishment.  If Lola is obedient, there's need or desire for her to suffer.  If you're bought as a slave, the owner says something like, "you're lucky that I bought you rather than one of the other bidders" and is serious about that.  Lola will never be raped (not by this mod, anyway), starved, marked, marred, tattooed, branded, or otherwise come to any lasting harm, and the owner protects Lola from predators who would do such things to her.  Those "you should thank me" statements have quite a bit of truth behind them.

An excellent answer, as usual. I see your point. Honestly it's one of the things I like best about this mod, your responses to all of us. Super helpful for those experiencing problems, and great replies to those making suggestions. Many thanks! 

[wren888]

On 8/3/2024 at 12:13 PM, Hex Bolt said:

I'm currently looking at adding use of arm & leg cuffs. 

Thank's, Hex Bolt, for your ingenious mod.

 

You can do as you like, of course, but I never saw the point of them. They don't prohibit the character from doing anything, as the word "cuffs" suggests. Technically, neither does the collar, but it broadcasts "slave," so it has a function.

 

Also, I always disliked the chastity bra. It looks awful, in my opinion. Lola's owner enjoys seeing her physique. E.g., he orders her to strip and/or walk around naked. However, if you decide to add these things, would you be so kind as to make them optional in the MCM?

 

On a related note, when ordered to strip at home when the player's children are nearby, I suggest you add this as a possible response by the player: "Please not in front of the children. May we go somewhere else?"
Master:
1. "Oh, all right. We'll go someplace private." (He follows player to another room)

2. "No. They should know exactly what kind of person their mother is. Strip. Now."

3. "I will not brook defiance. Do as you're told." (Shocks or spanks player)

[blahity]

23 minutes ago, wren888 said:

"Please not in front of the children. May we go somewhere else?"

It might be better to avoid anything related to children with a 10 foot pole. Not everybody bothers using the adoption system, so it might be work that goes unnoticed.

[Hex Bolt]

32 minutes ago, wren888 said:

You can do as you like, of course, but I never saw the point of them [arm & leg cuffs]. They don't prohibit the character from doing anything, as the word "cuffs" suggests. Technically, neither does the collar, but it broadcasts "slave," so it has a function.

They just broadcast "slave" (or bondage enthusiast) louder.  The info text will say, in part, "They do not restrict movement, but they are obviously bondage devices and they make you look vulnerable and easy to restrain."  They're actually worse than useless, because they occupy slots that could be used for accessories (my characters often wear an armband that uses the arm cuffs slot, or a thigh strap in the leg cuffs slot).  It's significant that it's taken me years to get around to doing anything with DD cuffs, outside of Pony Express.  They'll just be an option, off by default, for anyone who wants them.  I think they might change the mood a little and offer some variety for a playthrough if a particular owner requires them.

 

51 minutes ago, wren888 said:

I always disliked the chastity bra.

I have no plans to use chastity bras.  At least arm & leg cuffs look good, have no debuffs, and don't hamper the owner's access to things the owner will want to play with.

 

57 minutes ago, wren888 said:

On a related note, when ordered to strip at home when the player's children are nearby, I suggest you add this as a possible response by the player: "Please not in front of the children. May we go somewhere else?"

This mod doesn't involve itself with children, other than to exclude them from events.  I leave it to players to handle specific situations.  With the amount of sex and nudity in the mod, I think just using the console to disable any kids in the house (they're visiting Aunt & Uncle on the farm) would be a good move.

[kingsglaive]

20 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

强奸是这个模组不会逾越的底线。不过，你会被告知与陌生人发生性关系，而主人会看着你卖淫，所以在各种情况下与他人发生性关系应该不缺。

 

关于主人上面表达的另一点，主人实际上并不想看到 Lola 受苦，除非在惩罚期间。如果 Lola 听话，她就有受苦的需要或愿望。如果你被买来当奴隶，主人会说“你很幸运是我买的你而不是其他竞标者”，而且是认真的。Lola 永远不会被强奸（至少不会被这个 mod 强奸）、挨饿、被标记、被毁容、被纹身、被烙印或以其他方式受到任何持久伤害，主人会保护 Lola 免受会对她做这些事情的掠食者的伤害。那些“你应该感谢我”的说法背后有相当多的道理。

Being tattooed shouldn't be that serious, right? It just adds interest to Lola's body when she's naked. It doesn't actually do any harm to Lola, and it can be removed at any time.
I'm talking about this kind of
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/25274-lewdmarks-aroused/

[Hex Bolt]

31 minutes ago, kingsglaive said:

Being tattooed shouldn't be that serious, right?

I think it is.  Authoritarian regimes tattoo their prisoners.  Tattoos are difficult to remove.  That's why they're effective.  Skyrim lets you change them at a whim because it's a game.  Hell, if you die, you can just reload, so death isn't that serious, right?  I haven't seen anything in tattoo mods that says that tattoos are just playing around with watercolor paint that washes away the first time you get rained on.  They're permanent until the player (effectively a god doing whatever he wants with this character) runs a utility to remove it.  The principle at work here is that Lola will suffer no lasting harm and will have an unspoiled appearance when the enslavement ends.

Edited August 5, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[kingsglaive]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

我认为是的。独裁政权会给囚犯纹身。纹身很难去除。这就是纹身有效的原因。《天际》让你随心所欲地改变纹身，因为它是一款游戏。见鬼，如果你死了，你可以重新加载，所以死亡没那么严重，对吧？我还没有在纹身模组中看到任何说纹身只是玩弄水彩颜料的东西，第一次淋雨就会被洗掉。它们是永久的，直到玩家（实际上是一个对这个角色为所欲为的神）运行一个实用程序来移除它。这里的原则是，当奴役结束时，洛拉不会受到任何持久的伤害，并且会有一个未受破坏的外表。

There are plugins that make tattoos disappear
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3586-fadetattoos/

In addition, the tattoos in the mod link I sent are actually derived from Japanese anime. Strictly speaking, death in the Skyrim game is real death. It will not let you be reborn after death (unless you install a mod that changes this). It will let you read the previous save file, which is equivalent to turning back time and letting you go back to a previous time point to start over. I don't think this is rebirth, right?

In other words: if you don't make any saves from the beginning to the end, the moment you are killed, your game is over and you have to start a new game.

I understand that in some countries there is such a punishment, and in ancient times in my country there was also, but usually on the face.
However, mine is a product of Japanese games and anime, where female slave-type characters in the game have this kind of tattoo, which is called いんもん in Japanese.

Its English name seems to be Inmon
There is a website dedicated to this
https://www.weblio.jp/content/いんもん#google_vignette

Edited August 5, 2024 by kingsglaive

[Lorindion]

Hey, I have a little problem. The mod works fine, but if I harm the mistress I should recieve a whipping punishment. Lola is kneeling down, mistress teleports in front, weapon changes to whip. Then she stand in t-pose, after a few seconds the punishments results in lola crawling on the floor slowly standing up and I can play as normal. So just the animation is not loading. I have Rydians and RZAZZ.

[Hex Bolt]

8 hours ago, Lorindion said:

The mod works fine, but if I harm the mistress I should recieve a whipping punishment. Lola is kneeling down, mistress teleports in front, weapon changes to whip. Then she stand in t-pose, after a few seconds the punishments results in lola crawling on the floor slowly standing up and I can play as normal. So just the animation is not loading. I have Rydians and RZAZZ.

Since the whip is technically a weapon, you might have a combat mod interfering or DAR/OAR overwriting combat animations.  Nothing in this mod makes the PC crawl, so that would from be from another mod, possibly (though not limited to) one that changes the bleedout animation.

[CaptainJ03]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

Nothing in this mod makes the PC crawl,

But it does, the whipping might send Lola in the crawling bleedout animation for a few seconds.

[Hex Bolt]

35 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

But it does, the whipping might send Lola in the crawling bleedout animation for a few seconds.

I don't consider that crawling in the sense of moving on hands and knees like a dog, but I understand what you mean and it's possible that  Lorindion was simply referring to the standard bleedout animation.

[memati?]

Hi, nice mod. I wanted to give it a try again after a while but I dunno I think I have some weird mod conflicts happening. I have this version of submissive lola plus coffees tasks and voice files installed. But for some reason I cannot get past the initial dialogue. Even when I talk to my follower and ask him about "something unusual" and select "I need a strong hand to guide me" nothing happens. The dialogue is just stuck. Help would be appriciated

Edited August 5, 2024 by memati?

[Hex Bolt]

13 minutes ago, memati? said:

I cannot get past the initial dialogue.

How far do you get?  Those who have gotten stuck at the naming part had that happen because they didn't have ZAP (Zaz Animation Pack) installed.