Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[834159672]

The additional dialogue options where the owner asks why they serve is a nice addition. I have a few novel ideas that came to mind as a result if interested:

 

-It would be cool if the relationship level (0 to 4, maybe in combination with the 0 to 100 submission) and days remaining with the npc affected some of the responses and other events. One dialogue example would be various responses to "I love you" if they are a bandit or a lover. Another example would be forced prostitution, the player may convince the owner to lessen or forget the quota (the additional dialogue options are already there, they just lead to the same outcome). Conversely, a low relationship level may result in something worse than kissing boots or more devices. SLEN (eager npcs) integration? idk

 

-More device events. Currently it's just the collar, with the exception of a few temporary location-specific events like being near a boat or Solitude. An optional event for randomly equipping and removing random devices would be awesome. More debilitating devices that restrict arms, mouth, and such can be avoided entirely, opted into, and conditionally removed

 

-This kind of ties in with the previous bullet: Lore-friendly devices. Perhaps the devices can be found and / or equipped through chests  (standalone or through integration with cursed loot / enchanted chests), or bought / "tested" through integration with Laura's shop, captured dreams, etc..

-The collar also appears out of nowhere if it's through the "strong hand" quest, its power is unexplained. I like that the collar doesn't matter for compatibility reasons, so maybe the power is through a tattoo, the runic sigil, or some other magic effect instead. Maybe the Lola book is cursed or gives a spell to the player to serve the target, or some integration / addition to the love sickness mod, a potion or some weird ritual. idk again, just throwing darts at the wall

 

Anyways, thank you again for all updates! Probably my favorite mod out there since it integrates with SL and everything else without interfering too much with the main gameplay loop.

[CaptainJ03]

2 hours ago, 834159672 said:

The collar also appears out of nowhere if it's through the "strong hand" quest, its power is unexplained. I like that the collar doesn't matter for compatibility reasons, so maybe the power is through a tattoo, the runic sigil, or some other magic effect instead.

During the Strong Hand start, you don't see where your owner pulls the collar out, you "close your eyes and let yourself be collared" and if you're already wearing one, there's a line that Mistress "add some magic" to the collar, and locks it properly when you've manipulated the lock.

If you take off your collar while being Lola, the collar magically reappears. I like that better than the zapping out of nowhere in the previeous versions, when the collar shocks you, though it's not even there.

 

TLDR - I like what Hexbolt does with the collar.

[Hex Bolt]

On 7/17/2024 at 8:00 PM, rgbjackal said:

Yeah thats def the one i've got. The mod seems to be working fine though, other than the fact that i've got some red text in the MCM saying I dont have it.

Having DD 5.2 installed is not enough, IF you also have something installed that overwrites DD scripts.  This mod simply asks DD, "What version are you?", and if DD says it's an old version, you get that warning.  In other words, your installation of DD thinks that it is older than 5.2.  Even if it seems like it's working, you really should be concerned that your DD installation reports that it is obsolete.

 

A common way that this can occur, as CaptainJ03 mentioned, is also installing an older part of DD, such as the old DD Assets 3.0e that some mods still say that they need (they probably don't -- the latest DD Assets in the 5.2 all-in-one installer should be fine).  Another source of script overwrites is a mod that replaces DD scripts.  I came across a mod that bundles a 5-year-old version of a core DD script.  Those mods aren't supposed to do that, but some do.  Something in your mod list might be downgrading part of your DD installation.  If you're familiar with the way your mod manager works, look for the actual version of the zadLibs.pex script that it is using.  It should be dated December 2022 or more recent.

[Hex Bolt]

On 7/22/2024 at 8:19 AM, lovalter said:

I'd just like the option to register the currently worn device so that it gets used in events instead of the included devices. Idk if I can do that by editing a file or something, that would be fine too

That's a good idea.  I've added it to my list.

 

On 7/21/2024 at 5:07 PM, lovalter said:

I think a kneeling pose with the arms in a box tie position would be great, seems more natural and submissive

I have to work with the available animations.  If you'd like a new animation, maybe request one from one of the active animation authors.  SLTR already optionally uses alternate poses from RohZima's Animated Poser.  You might make a request there.  If a good one gets added, I can set up an option here to use it.

 

If anyone is using RohZima's mod, please remember to endorse it if you like it.  We don't have many pose/animation creators here.  Let's encourage them!

[Hex Bolt]

On 7/22/2024 at 9:52 PM, 834159672 said:

It would be cool if the relationship level (0 to 4, maybe in combination with the 0 to 100 submission) and days remaining with the npc affected some of the responses and other events.

Unfortunately, relationship rank with a follower is nearly useless because most follower mods set the rank to 4 (Lover) at the start.

 

On 7/22/2024 at 9:52 PM, 834159672 said:

Another example would be forced prostitution, the player may convince the owner to lessen or forget the quota (the additional dialogue options are already there, they just lead to the same outcome).

I'm open to suggestions, but the mod is set up to be slippery slope of submission as a slave.  At low score, you have to fulfill your quota because the owner is imposing his/her will and training you.  At higher scores, you should be doing at least the minimum quota to please your owner.  I have a feature idea on my list for a setting to ramp up prostitution quota with score.  In general, Lola will get used a lot, and the more she submits, the more she gets used.

 

On the other side, the setting for gold share as a function of score can be used to reward Lola with a bigger share as her service improves.

 

On 7/22/2024 at 9:52 PM, 834159672 said:

The collar also appears out of nowhere if it's through the "strong hand" quest, its power is unexplained. I like that the collar doesn't matter for compatibility reasons, so maybe the power is through a tattoo, the runic sigil, or some other magic effect instead.

Followers have "inventory", just like the PC can carry 300 weight units of armor. weapons, ore, ingredients, potions, and so on, with no visible pockets.  As the player (not your character), you're just not allowed to see what the follower has up his/her sleeves.  It says a LOT that the owner already has a collar on hand for you.

 

On 7/22/2024 at 9:52 PM, 834159672 said:

More device events. Currently it's just the collar, with the exception of a few temporary location-specific events like being near a boat or Solitude. An optional event for randomly equipping and removing random devices would be awesome. More debilitating devices that restrict arms, mouth, and such can be avoided entirely, opted into, and conditionally removed

That sounds a lot like Devious Followers.  You can use both mods together, though it might work better from a roleplay perspective if a second follower is the "devious" one.  If you have a specific idea for a device event, please let me know, but one of the guiding principles here is to let you play the game relatively unhindered as an adventuring slave, so stricter bondage would usually be short in duration.

 

Gags are troublesome because they hinder speech.  They're great as punishment for a few game hours, but not good just for the owner's amusement.  They also block one avenue for sex.

 

On 7/22/2024 at 9:52 PM, 834159672 said:

Maybe the Lola book is cursed or gives a spell to the player to serve the target, or some integration / addition to the love sickness mod, a potion or some weird ritual.

I see where you're going, but that's not it.  The book just serves to open the character's eyes to possibilities or temptations of submission.  There's no curse -- you submit of your own free will.  Sure, you get a lot more than you expected, but you wanted this.  That's the beauty of the consensual path.  You did this to yourself.

 

On 7/23/2024 at 12:40 AM, CaptainJ03 said:

If you take off your collar while being Lola, the collar magically reappears. I like that better than the zapping out of nowhere in the previeous versions, when the collar shocks you, though it's not even there.

That was a contribution from MrEsturk.  It solves a lot of problems, such as things that might let you cut and destroy the collar.

[Hex Bolt]

On 7/19/2024 at 6:07 AM, nopse0 said:

Seems to be a bug here....

The WhippedBuffEffect has no perk (checked it with SSEEdit, perk is null).

Thank you, I see what you mean.  I will look at this.

[lcewolf]

I have decide to retry your mod without the add-on I make for Immersion. You have add nice new  answer for Immersion with latest version.

 

It is nice when your Master/Mistress ask you why did you become her slave. You have also add few line in the category «About be your slave» Very nice.

I was wondering why the question disappear after you ask it and then when your submissionscore raise at a certain level and reappear again? Reference to «About be nice before» and «About I was giving you order before».  

I don’t know if it’s wanted or you did this on the purpose to add more possible reaction from the owner.

 

Another question. At level 50 of submission, your master can make the «Request» for you to be naked. But since your Master/Mistress at 50% chance of allowing you to wear clothing again. The big explain come back quite often.  I was wondering why you did not add a wrap-up version when your master/mistress request it again.

A little, like this:

• -        You have become too comfortable since I allowed you to get dressed. It is time to revoke your privilege.

 

A last question. When your Master/Mistress request the pony delivery. I was wondering why your Master/Mistress do not request it vs nudity rule without the gag? I do not know what is more humiliating be naked in town and city or in pony outfit.

 

But anyway thank you for still working on your mod   I have enjoy your new modification.

Edited July 24, 2024 by lcewolf

[blahity]

I'm enjoying the new questions and dialogue.

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

A last question. When your Master/Mistress request the pony delivery. I was wondering why your Master/Mistress do not request it vs nudity rule without the gag? I do not know what is more humiliating be naked in town and city or in pony outfit.

It could be fun to be forced/allowed/request to wear a ponygirl outfit during the parade event or when required to be naked.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

I was wondering why the question disappear after you ask it and then when your submissionscore raise at a certain level and reappear again? Reference to «About be nice before» and «About I was giving you order before».  

I don’t know if it’s wanted or you did this on the purpose to add more possible reaction from the owner.

That question can only be asked once per day, and it is only available when the score is at least 5 but less than 50.  Above 50, you don't get many options to complain.

 

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

At level 50 of submission, your master can make the «Request» for you to be naked. But since your Master/Mistress at 50% chance of allowing you to wear clothing again. The big explain come back quite often.  I was wondering why you did not add a wrap-up version when your master/mistress request it again.

The permanent nudity rule that applies in forbidden areas (at home, in towns, and so on) can be removed by the owner if you ask (random chance), but only below score 80 and only until the owner decides to impose the rule again (random depending on which events trigger, but it should eventually start up again).  The mod does not remember whether the owner had already imposed the rule before, so the dialog is the same when the quest starts again. 

 

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

When your Master/Mistress request the pony delivery. I was wondering why your Master/Mistress do not request it vs nudity rule without the gag? I do not know what is more humiliating be naked in town and city or in pony outfit.

I prefer not to overuse the pony outfit.  I'm hoping to add more things that will use it.  If you see the pony outfit too often, it's not special anymore, plus the pony gag limits speech.

 

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

But anyway thank you for still working on your mod   I have enjoy your new modification.

Thank you!

[Hex Bolt]

2 minutes ago, blahity said:

It could be fun to be forced/allowed/request to wear a ponygirl outfit during the parade event or when required to be naked.

A chance for the pony outfit during the parade is a possibility.

[Hex Bolt]

On 7/19/2024 at 6:07 AM, nopse0 said:

The problem seems to be that the property "WhippedBuffEffect" in the vkjMQ quest is defined as "vkjInvigoratedEffectForUI "Invigorated" [MGEF:xx05C6C7] (which has no perk), it should be defined as "vkjWhippedHardEffectForUI "Punished" [MGEF:xx05C6C3]" which has the buff perk, then it would work. I guess that's a bug. I could change that property with xEdit, but I fear this has no effect on running games....

  

16 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Thank you, I see what you mean.  I will look at this.

 

I had some time to look at the problem.  No, don't change the WhippedBuffEffect quest property.  Even if you could get that to work in an ongoing game, you would break other script logic that expects this property to be a buff (not a debuff).  The mistake that I made in the recently added code was to reference the buff property rather than the debuff property (reduced XP gain is a debuff).  Maybe I was tired and/or auto-complete in the editor supplied the wrong property and I didn't notice (but I should have).  This will require a script edit. 

 

On 7/19/2024 at 6:07 AM, nopse0 said:

So the Maintenance function is aborted prematurely, code after that error isn't executed.

That shouldn't happen, and indeed it's not what I see happening after inserting debug statements in the maintenance and whipping functions to verify that execution reaches the end.  "Cannot call SetNthEntryValue() on a None object, aborting function call" only aborts the SetNthEntryValue() function call.  (If you are seeing this mod's scripts crash after that error, you might have a script-heavy or unstable game.)

 

The only effect of the bug is that the XP reduction debuffs are stuck at the default values, regardless of MCM setting.  That's unfortunate but not serious.  I'm working on a fix (no time estimate because I might want to bundle a few small changes to make the update more worthwhile).

[834159672]

On 7/22/2024 at 9:40 PM, CaptainJ03 said:

if you're already wearing one, there's a line that Mistress "add some magic" to the collar, and locks it properly when you've manipulated the lock.

I had no idea that was a thing, cool feature.

18 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

It says a LOT that the owner already has a collar on hand for you.

18 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I'm open to suggestions, but the mod is set up to be slippery slope of submission as a slave.

True 😆. That's fair, I just find some of the responses kind of depressing. I'm beginning to think they want to make you a real slave and not just for fun🤔

 

18 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

That sounds a lot like Devious Followers.  You can use both mods together

I had forgotten about that to be honest. I just remember that the gold and debt / mcm system from that mod was a bit tiring to deal with vs the random events from Lola where they just say "do this". I'll probably give DF another shot though.

 

 

[Hex Bolt]

35 minutes ago, 834159672 said:

I had forgotten about that to be honest. I just remember that the gold and debt / mcm system from that mod was a bit tiring to deal with vs the random events from Lola where they just say "do this". I'll probably give DF another shot though.

Just remember to only use one (or no) gold sharing system, Lola's or DF's.  You do not want DF to give you a gold loan and see SLTR promptly give a portion back to your owner, leaving you a lot more in debt.

 

38 minutes ago, 834159672 said:

I just find some of the responses kind of depressing. I'm beginning to think they want to make you a real slave and not just for fun

Well, that's exactly what's happening.  If you haven't found it, there's an optional one-time "About my being your slave" dialog option between scores 25 and 50 when it truly sinks in that you're a real slave.  And it is for fun -- just not yours -- though owners with the playful attitude will insist that you really like it.

[nopse0]

Thank you, super, that you fix this!

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The mistake that I made in the recently added code was to reference the buff property rather than the debuff property

Ah, I see, not the property value was wrong, you were using the wrong property. But isn't "SpankedBuffEffect.GetPerk().SetNthEntryValue" not also wrong then ? (I dimly remember, seeing the "vkjSpankedHardForUI" used in this context somewhere too, but maybe I am wrong)

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aborting function call" only aborts the SetNthEntryValue() function call

Ah, very good to know, I was always thinking that the calling function is aborted in such errors, good to know that I am wrong.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, nopse0 said:

Ah, I see, not the property value was wrong, you were using the wrong property. But isn't "SpankedBuffEffect.GetPerk().SetNthEntryValue" not also wrong then ? (I dimly remember, seeing the "vkjSpankedHardForUI" used in this context somewhere too, but maybe I am wrong)

No, the only time that this mod uses GetPerk() is the new code that for reduced XP gain that references the wrong property due to my mistake.

[kingsglaive]

After my lola was equipped with slave piercings and DD bondage at the same time, every time the master turned on the vibration, my lola would struggle to break free from the bondage and want to masturbate because of the stimulation brought by the vibration, but every time she was tied tightly by the bondage devices and could not masturbate, she could only squeeze her legs awkwardly to relieve the stimulation brought by the vibration.
I don’t know if the master will like this way of teasing.
The master first tied lola’s hands and then turned on the vibration, and enjoyed the way lola struggled to squeeze her legs because she wanted to masturbate because of the stimulation of the vibration but was tied and could not masturbate. When the vibration ended, the bondage was automatically released.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

The master first tied lola’s hands and then turned on the vibration, and enjoyed the way lola struggled to squeeze her legs because she wanted to masturbate because of the stimulation of the vibration but was tied and could not masturbate. When the vibration ended, the bondage was automatically released.

This mod doesn't do that, but one of the add-ons might.  It sounds fun.

 

Edit:  I didn't find that in any of the add-ons, so I don't know what is doing it.  Anyway, I've added this to my list of new features to consider.

Edited July 27, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[kingsglaive]

On 2023/12/10 at AM2点49分, Hex Bolt said:

这是一个有趣的想法。我喜欢它。这将作为得分 100 时的另一个特殊事件发挥很好的作用。次要任务可以是将这本书带给其他每个主要城市的吟游诗人，并说服（性或金钱）其他吟游诗人学习它。

So, Mr. Hex Bolt, is there any hope that this idea of mine will be included in the new version?☺️

[Hex Bolt]

17 minutes ago, kingsglaive said:

So, Mr. Hex Bolt, is there any hope that this idea of mine will be included in the new version?

It's too early to say.  Probably in some new version, but not necessarily the next one.  It sounds simple, but I need to see if there are any difficulties, and I'm hoping that someone might recognize where the behavior that you saw is coming from, so I can handle conflicts.  My initial thought is that this kind of vibration teasing could be a random alternative to the forced orgasm vibration event.  Both would entertain the owner, and this provides some variety.

[hato-suzume]

So i['m not sure if it was mentioned before or not, but i'm having an issue with the Dibellan temple. I get to the point that i speak to the priestess and it tells me to talk to my Master. So i do and tell him this is a good spot and then after he tells me not to cum before he does, my submission score increases but no animations play. they just stand there. i've reloaded a few times and even restarted before i went inside the temple. I'm not sure what's going wrong. I know the threesome animations work cause i've seen them happen from my Defeat mod and also Dark Desires Club. But for some reason i'm getting an issue here.

[Hex Bolt]

8 hours ago, hato-suzume said:

i'm having an issue with the Dibellan temple. I get to the point that i speak to the priestess and it tells me to talk to my Master. So i do and tell him this is a good spot and then after he tells me not to cum before he does, my submission score increases but no animations play. they just stand there....  I know the threesome animations work cause i've seen them happen from my Defeat mod and also Dark Desires Club.

It looks like you chose the 3-way sex option with a priestess, but you don't have an appropriate sex animation for the genders involved.  Defeat generally uses only aggressive animations, and other mods might allow females to fill a male role with a strap-on, but this mod tries to give you a correct 3-way consensual animation for the genders.  For 3 females, it requires an animation with the "FFF" tag, so that you get a lesbian animation rather than a MFF or MMF animation with one or two or two of the females using strap-ons (for 3 males, it will require the "MMM" tag).  Billyy's Animations has some good FFF animations.

 

This situation hasn't been reported as a problem before, but I can add extra logic to the sex scene to just play generic consensual sex if no gender-appropriate 3-way animations are found.

Edited July 29, 2024 by Hex Bolt
fixed typo

[tesenfeu]

Heya,

I want to say thx and nice work as always

 

This mod is great but i think the " keep forever " is too simple in is actual state and would be a great idea to expand.

 

Maybe adding a " choice " every X days of serving the master >>> The player have to choose btw 2 options :

                   1) do nothing and decline the offer.

                   2) accept the deal and have some effects apply.

 

Effects can be something like that :

 

       - Accept to lock some new piercings that boost stats.

                               >>> Add more arousal than normal piercings.

       - Accept to wear chastity belt with custom plugs that " boost your stats " while equipped with a possible release every X number of Days or

         when master want to have some fun.

                               >>> Increase arousal 

       - Accept to wear a " cursed " tatoo "that boost stats.

                               >>> good idea to work with LewdMarksaroused 

       - Accept to  wear those hands and legs cuffs and become a true " warrior maiden " that give a super heavy boost.

                              >>> If the Master life go bellow X value > the health is transferred from the player to the master.

 

The idea with this system of deals is too increase the strenght and give greats powers to the player in exchange of his freedom and lead to the " keep forever " option.

 

And why not Having something special for the " superior " level  : 

 

        - Accept to wear special Collar soaked in magic that boost stats.

                              >>> Add some power to the playmate that can force you to serve him as well.

 

       -  Accept a Special ritual > place a special tattoo on the player's body which curses him and drastically reduces his storage capacity

                             >>> In exchange for which the effects of his spells are increased by X%.

                                     The advantage being to increase interactions with the master and to become more dependent on him.

 

And for the last of the last level :

        - Accept to drink this potion that will seal your devotion and our destiny.

                              >>> Player have to drink it every X days / if not >>> reduce his stats to almost nothing that make him super vulnerable.

 

With this last option, it's a good way to give the player some freedom of movement while being able to "dismiss" the master while encouraging him to come back to him.

 

That's would be my " dream " mod, all in 1, that give a " legitimate way " of becoming almost invincible while having obligations to complete and become the " master sword "

 

And why not at the very end having the possibility of marrying the master ? >>> Special mariage 

 

                

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by tesenfeu

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, tesenfeu said:

I want to say thx and nice work as always

Thanks!

 

1 hour ago, tesenfeu said:

This mod is great but i think the " keep forever " is too simple in is actual state and would be a great idea to expand.

Well, it's intentionally simple because it handles the situation where the owner reneges on the voluntary enslavement and makes it permanent.  Ideally, Lola wants to remain a slave, so this just removes the temptation for her to do something foolish like ask to be freed.

 

1 hour ago, tesenfeu said:

Maybe adding a " choice " every X days of serving the master

The contract system already does that.  Other than contract time, the owner has no reason to bargain with a slave.

 

1 hour ago, tesenfeu said:

...accept the deal...

No offense intended, but this all sounds a lot like Devious Followers and its deals.  You've even proposed a deal similar to the Weird Potion.  Devious Followers is about deals, but this mod really is not.

 

If you're interested in dubious deals with downsides, you might like the Dealing With (Sexual) Daedra mod.

 

1 hour ago, tesenfeu said:

Accept to lock some new piercings that boost stats.

I'm really, really not a fan of giving out stat-boosting items.  Skyrim is already a pretty easy game.  If the owner is capable of using those kinds of enchantments, they'd be the sort of the thing the owner would use personally (minus the debuffs) on rings, jewelry, or accessories.  Slaves get "fun" enchantments like vibrations and increased arousal.

 

1 hour ago, tesenfeu said:

And why not at the very end having the possibility of marrying the master ?

You're free to marry the owner, but as I've said before, there's no advantage at all to the owner, only the disadvantage of clouding the status of the slave, which the owner already treats as property.  Why marry that which you own?  It's just a promotion for the slave and a waste of the spouse position.  I think the owner might want to marry someone of free will for love, wealth, or power and keep Lola around for entertainment.

 

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but the deals and stat boosts don't really fit what the mod tries to do.

[kingsglaive]

2 hours ago, tesenfeu said:

>>> 与LewdMarksaroused                                合作是个好主意  

I have always wanted to add this
but only to increase the beauty, just think about seeing lola's beautiful naked body with this lovely tattoo, and this tattoo can increase the brightness according to lola's current sexual desire value to help the owner observe lola's sexual desire value, how wonderful it is

[JustMe469]

22 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

 

 

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but the deals and stat boosts don't really fit what the mod tries to do.

 

Thank goodness!  🙂