Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Anunya]

Re: kneeling - I'm in favour and consider it a core feature of the mod. (just my personal taste)

 

I'd even consider it desirable to require the player to DO something (button press, shout) to manually remember to kneel when offering service; but I expect that'd be too cumbersome for most folks and annoying to implement. But kneeling is good IMO.

Edited September 5, 2024 by Anunya

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Jim55 said:

The minigame you describe is in Deviously Pink and in DCL, both use a random set of locations that you need to find and broom. Both locked in something. DP is easier to do cause it would be in their own shop, but I guess it could be done for a player home.

Actually, it is done here.  The Clean Sweep event can trigger in player homes and inns.  I hadn't been aware that other mods had sweeping events too.

 

3 hours ago, Jim55 said:

*raises hands* taste is taste. I'm not denying many people have a home fantasy, I guess it's down to whether or not there's enough of a split to add the option or if I'm an outlier. I hate people who think something is bad because it's not for them. 

I think others are just expressing their own opinions, that's all.  It's natural that if someone states an opinion for or against something, someone with the opposite view will want to speak up to give the mod author a balanced picture.

 

To add perspective, since you're new to the site and probably not familiar with the mod's history, I don't recall anyone ever mentioning disliking kneeling (a few had technical issues, but that's separate).  On the other hand, there have been a fair number of requests for more of it.  That doesn't make your own preferences bad or wrong, and you should express your opinion on things that you like or dislike, but that's why I said earlier that you're probably an outlier on this particular matter.

 

Have you checked your settings to be sure you don't have automatic kneeling enabled for just talking to the owner?  Otherwise, adjusting settings to reduce the number of times you must kneel might reduce its effect on you.

 

2 hours ago, Anunya said:

Would it be possible to get a Submission Score reduction and comment if the owner reaches zero health during combat? I think this option could add support for a number of RP type scenarios for the Master and Lola (Lola as bodyguard, Lola as heal slut, Lola as disposable bait/distraction). Basically, the Master is obviously both more competent and important than Lola, but she's still expected to pull her weight - and if the Master reaches 0 health, clearly she hasn't. It'd also synergize nicely with the potion feature, I think, encouraging Lola to provide more powerful potions to her Master.

The mod already sort of does that, though without score reduction because submission doesn't directly equate to combat prowess.  Poor performance on the battlefield just reinforces the owner's belief that sex is what you do best, so owner bleedouts raise the next prostitution quota (with a cap, so it doesn't stack to insane levels).  Owners will also swipe healing potions from you after a bleedout, when combat ends (and they selectively take your best ones).

Edited September 5, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[Hex Bolt]

32 minutes ago, Anunya said:

I'd even consider it desirable to require the player to DO something (button press, shout) to manually remember to kneel when offering service; but I expect that'd be too cumbersome for most folks and annoying to implement. But kneeling is good IMO.

That actually exists, but in a very small dose.  Based on the "hard to please owner" chance, you might get zapped and penalized for not kneeling with the kneeling power (shout key).  "Such an ill-mannered pet!"  It doesn't occur often, it's more of an owner is in a bad mood thing, but you can avoid it by manually kneeling.  Automatic kneeling removes that risk.  Because it's basically already implemented, I could look at adding an option to require manual kneeling if enough players like this kind of game, though I anticipate a request for a mappable kneeling key and then it's a bit more effort.

[Anunya]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

The mod already sort of does that, though without score reduction because submission doesn't directly equate to combat prowess.  Poor performance on the battlefield just reinforces the owner's belief that sex is what you do best, so owner bleedouts raise the next prostitution quota (with a cap, so it doesn't stack to insane levels).  Owners will also swipe healing potions from you after a bleedout, when combat ends (and they selectively take your best ones).

 

Yeah that makes sense. I was thinking that the option to have an actual score reduction would let SubLola serve as a really solid foundation for Heal Slut type gameplay (with actual mechanical implementation) which I'm currently investigating and trying to set up. If that's outside your vision for this mod to provide that option, that's fair enough - no harm in asking I reckon 

Edited September 5, 2024 by Anunya

[Anunya]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

That actually exists, but in a very small dose.  Based on the "hard to please owner" chance, you might get zapped and penalized for not kneeling with the kneeling power (shout key).  "Such an ill-mannered pet!"  It doesn't occur often, it's more of an owner is in a bad mood thing, but you can avoid it by manually kneeling.  Automatic kneeling removes that risk.  Because it's basically already implemented, I could look at adding an option to require manual kneeling if enough players like this kind of game, though I anticipate a request for a mappable kneeling key and then it's a bit more effort.

 

Interesting!

 

I don't think I've ever triggered it while playing.

[gazebo09]

Does "hard to please owner" lower score when it triggers? I like the roleplay of the owner being more of an abusive PoS looking for excuses to shock and whip Lola, but if it can lead to the pitfall of dropping deep into the negatives and making it harder to fulfill contract quotas, then it might not be worth it.

[Hex Bolt]

14 minutes ago, gazebo09 said:

Does "hard to please owner" lower score when it triggers?

Not always.  It might just mean a higher chance of extra rounds of sweeping.  When it does lower score, it should never be more than one point, which won't hurt much.  You can both gain and lose points during the same event.  I don't think it ever triggers punishment, so it won't add contract days in itself.  Try it, then adjust it or set it to zero if you think it's too much, but it will probably work well with what you seem to have in mind.  I wouldn't start higher than 50% though, even for an abusive owner.

 

21 minutes ago, gazebo09 said:

an abusive PoS looking for excuses to shock and whip Lola

There's a separate setting for a chance for whipping instead of a random zap.  No effect on score, but it's a longer punishment scene and whipping does have a debuff for the pain, so you'll feel abused.

[Hex Bolt]

Advance notice for a change coming in the next update.  For custom confessions, "Dreams" will be replaced with "Secret".

 

Dreams and Fantasy were too similar with too much overlap.  "Secret" is the thing you most want to keep hidden.  Fun possibilities here.  For example, "I had to beg my follower to make me a slave" if you chose the "Convince Me" start, or "I fell for that 'pretend auction' trick."

 

In Confessions.json, you will have to replace "Dreams" with "Secret" and change the confession text as appropriate.

[wren888]

7 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I can foresee complications, though, like those stairs in the Blue Palace (I can probably keep the distance short enough to avoid that), or the exiled jarls on the lower level.

I considered those two things. Regarding the exiled jarls, I considered they were important enough that Master would be happy to show off his dominance in front of them.

 

On a related issue, it also came to mind that in both Whiterun and Falkreath the jarl is sometimes in another room looking at the battle map of Skyrim. I can't remember if other jarls have another room with a battle map they look at. In Whiterun, even if the jarl doesn't see Lola abasing herself because he's upstairs, by the time she's within his activation radius, there are probably other important people downstairs that would. In Falkreath, maybe not, but personally I'd be okay with a hiccup now and again.

 

I understand your desire to avoid making Submissive Lola: the Resubmission script-heavy. I expect many people besides you and I feel that way. I've been pleased that my highly modded game crashes as seldom now as before I added your mod. Well done.

Edited September 6, 2024 by wren888

[CaptainJ03]

  

11 hours ago, Jim55 said:

The minigame you describe is in Deviously Pink and in DCL, both use a random set of locations that you need to find and broom.

Uhm, which mod are you referring to with DCL? That's the abbreviation for Deviously Cursed Loot, and that doesn't have any such event.

 

Regarding kneeling in the Jarl's palace:

My PC, be it Lola or not, rarely ever sees the Jarl. Yes, she's aware that there must be someone who runs the show, but as it's way over her station, being no more than a random adventurer. The boot licking event would never trigger if it's bound to the Jarl's vicinity.

[SkyAddiction]

23 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

 Uhm, which mod are you referring to with DCL? That's the abbreviation for Deviously Cursed Loot, and that doesn't have any such event.

 

It does, actually. If you work your way through the "Bound in Skyrim" quest, you encounter a sweeping task.

[just_Gina]

@Jim55 Not suggesting changes, just showing workarounds for those who like the things i do. i fully understand that most players won't. 

[Særtr]

Is there any way to place a nudity marker before submission 50+? I need to put one down for the weight restriction in time to relax as I am building a house (mod) and so I am regularly moving lots of ingots thus tend to be overweight constantly. I am not even using the nudity rule, I just want a way to stop A Time to Relax in this specific location.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Særtr said:

Is there any way to place a nudity marker before submission 50+? I need to put one down for the weight restriction in time to relax as I am building a house (mod) and so I am regularly moving lots of ingots thus tend to be overweight constantly. I am not even using the nudity rule, I just want a way to stop A Time to Relax in this specific location.

Not without a workaround, but thank you for mentioning this problem.  I will make those settings always enabled in the next update.  Originally, their only use was for nudity.  The exception for Time to Relax came later, and I didn't think about accessing them earlier in the enslavement.

 

For now, you can place them with the console.

prid xx06039B (and C and D)

moveto player

[Jim55]

22 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Actually, it is done here.  The Clean Sweep event can trigger in player homes and inns.  I hadn't been aware that other mods had sweeping events too. (1)

 

I think others are just expressing their own opinions, that's all.  It's natural that if someone states an opinion for or against something, (2)

 

(1) I was referring to the part where you have X places to sweep. What I played was I was told to sweep, I did a key or smth I can't remember, then she came over, berated me in a way that seemed scripted and told me to sweep somewhere else. Gina asked if there's a way to do a self-sufficient quest, like a list of dirt instances you can hunt and clean, a la job simulators. I this happens in Lola, I missed it.

 

Pink Shop Thing I keep Forgetting The Name Of has 10 spots and as you sweep them and lower their numbers to 3, they keep reappearing until you do your task set.

 

DCL spawns a whole bunch of "dirt" which is actually a are skinned piles of ice from an ice wraith (or so it looked to me) and tasks you to deleting 15 of the 30 or so it puts around town.

 

Both are fine, but if you want a job simulator I think the Pink method where you spawn a set number of -perhaps deviously hidden dirts and you get to collect them is closer to what Gina had in mind. Who wants left over dirt piles.

 

(2) I apologize, some of the tone got lost in text, aided by the fact that English is my third language. What I meant was, I understand that everyone has their tastes, and I agree. I never meant it to sound like I was arguing. This is not the first time this happened to me in text, so it's probably me. I also tend to use "you do" instead of "one does" because native grammar, which adds to the confusion.

 

I agree, I have stumbled mid-mod upon something that, even though I liked, is not really made for this. It's more of a role play mod.

 

I'll have a fidget with the settings.

 

12 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

 Uhm, which mod are you referring to with DCL? That's the abbreviation for Deviously Cursed Loot, and that doesn't have any such event.

 

DCL has a quest that has you bring some stuff over, turns out you have to pay for it with your time. It's setting you to see the dude that handles the thieves guild in the cistern. He sends you to sweep the town, make him a sandwich (gather quest, salmon, bread, salad, etc) and then you go back. Turns out he's just being funny, the restraints are his.

 

It's Brynjolf? Or Vekel the Man, the bartender.

 

The hunt game was fun, but I have a batch file for the prick's sandwich.

 

Let me stress my brain for a bit. Supply and Demand? I think that's it.

Edited September 6, 2024 by Jim55
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[Hex Bolt]

11 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Regarding kneeling in the Jarl's palace:

My PC, be it Lola or not, rarely ever sees the Jarl. Yes, she's aware that there must be someone who runs the show, but as it's way over her station, being no more than a random adventurer. The boot licking event would never trigger if it's bound to the Jarl's vicinity.

I'm still thinking about the concept from @wren888's suggestion.  Triggering at the entrance is still useful.  One approach would be to allow it to trigger for either the entrance or proximity to a jarl, with a shared cooldown (you'll never have to do the event twice on the same visit).  Another would be to trigger at the entrance but order you to move to a more visible location.

 

A complication for proximity is that Irileth and Faleen will force greet the PC at a fairly long distance from the jarl on your first meeting.  I can solve that (and simplify the implementation) by having the PC initiate the final step by telling the owner this this is a good spot, with condition checking to ensure that it is, but it would be nicer to have the owner decide and stop you.  If the owner decides, I'll have to cancel any scene the jarl might be in (as I do during Slave to Fashion when presenting yourself to the jarl) or risk having your display of obedience occur while the jarl is discussing finances or troop movements with the steward.

 

Currently, there's no time of day check, but there probably should be.  With the original purpose of cleaning shoes, that wouldn't matter, but if the main intent is to show off Lola's obedience, a midnight performance is wasted.

[Hex Bolt]

On 9/5/2024 at 11:38 AM, just_Gina said:

Personally, i love the sweeping event. Wish it was possible to move around while sweeping so that way you could sweep the entire room/house before being allowed to stop or made to redo the job to the Owners satisfaction. Then again, i'm sick that way. Even if it was possible, i realize most other players would likely hate that it would take so much time. To get around that, i use Idle Animations WheelMenu...works great for sweeping and working in the garden/fields, depending on the Owner's dwelling.

For the obsessively tidy or submissive, what about freestyle cleaning?  Whenever a standard broom enters the PC's inventory (it can't be equipped, though I might be able to detect if the player tries to do so) the PC gets the sweeping power, which is automatically selected.  To make it more than roleplay, each use of the power is worth a tenth of a point, up to a full point, once per day (additional voluntary sweeping would have no reward).  When a broom leaves the PC's inventory, the sweeping power is removed.  Keep a broom at home for this purpose.  The owner might even give you one the first time you're ordered to sweep at home.

[Hex Bolt]

47 minutes ago, Jim55 said:

I was referring to the part where you have X places to sweep. What I played was I was told to sweep, I did a key or smth I can't remember, then she came over, berated me in a way that seemed scripted and told me to sweep somewhere else. Gina asked if there's a way to do a self-sufficient quest, like a list of dirt instances you can hunt and clean, a la job simulators. I this happens in Lola, I missed it.

You're just not permitted to stand in the same spot to sweep.  It's a simple requirement that works even in "tiny house" mods.

[Anunya]

@just_Gina - I urge to to check out the mod Sweeping Organizes Things - when you sweep it actually puts misplaced clutter back to where it is supposed to be. Very satisfying.

 

I've mentioned this to Hexbolt before (probably too many times) - that I hope that the sweeping implementation for SubLola allows those of us with that mod installed to leverage it

 

[Hex Bolt]

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

Which is why I suggested some sort of guardrails on RNG.

That was an interesting story.  (Sincerely.  I really try to avoid using sarcasm).  I'm using Skyrim's event handling and the framework that I inherited.  It works pretty well for what it is, but it can't do the things that you described.  Many of the mod's events have cooldowns, but others are unconditional because the mod needs some events that are valid anywhere, so they're subject to the streakiness of random selection.

 

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

[on player motivation game design]

I generally agree.  This mod aims to use bondage in ways that don't hamper normal gameplay.  You can be bound for a short event (or for your stay in Solitude, if you opt in to that) but otherwise you can play Skyrim.  (A notable exception is the blindfold event.  I inherited that and chose to keep it out of respect for the original author, but I shortened it to 1 day (from 3) and gave it a cooldown/toggle.)  As you said, a heavier focus on bondage and loss of control would really be another mod.  You might also look at the two more recent add-ons for this mod.

 

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

...after like 3 weeks in game I repeatedly fell under 80 and MCM suggests some activities are min-80...

Currently, 3 events open up at 80, and there's a one-time event at 100.  Everything else available at score 50, when score increases just begin to taper off.  It's fairly easy to stay at this point and have almost all content available.

 

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

Oh, god, 0 again. I'll look into a debug option.

There's a setting on the first MCM page to magnify score increase rate.  If you like, max it out at the beginning until you're where you want to be.

 

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

Activity. Mistress meets someone in a city (custom npc, sex based on preference. Say, same sex as dom). They have a chat and explain how submissive you are. NPC says no way, can I try? Sure. Ownership transfers temporarily. They go about doing things, shops, food, etc you get to follow in gear.

Although it lacks the scene, you can designate any other current follower to be your new owner (mod mechanics assume that the owner is an active follower).  Use it as a permanent or temporary handoff.  (A second follower can also be designated as your "playmate".  Playmates can be involved in sex and can optionally demand sex or be delegated the task of punishing you.)

Edited September 6, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[Hex Bolt]

On 9/6/2024 at 2:50 PM, Anunya said:

@just_Gina - I urge to to check out the mod Sweeping Organizes Things - when you sweep it actually puts misplaced clutter back to where it is supposed to be. Very satisfying.

 

I've mentioned this to Hexbolt before (probably too many times) - that I hope that the sweeping implementation for SubLola allows those of us with that mod installed to leverage it

 

Thanks for the reminder.  I see Sweeping Organizes Stuff for SE and Broom Sweeping for LE.  They both do the same thing in a similar manner.  Clicking a broom in inventory sweeps once to clean the area.  I think I can trigger either, if the mod is installed, by doing an equip call on the first sweep of the SLTR event.  If I do something with this, I'll need someone to test it with Sweeping Organizes Stuff.  Did you just volunteer?  

 

EDIT:  Unfortunately, after investigation, I found that using EquipItem from a script (or the console) does not activate the OnObjectEquipped event that the sweeping mods use, probably because it's a non-equippable item.  You have to click on the broom.  So, I can't trigger those mods.  I could maybe give you a free broom to use on your own.

 

EDIT 2:  For now, the owner's toy box will also have a broom.  You can ask to open it at home and in inns to use with sweeping mods.  The broom won't be present during Home Beating, as much as that would be, since it's not a weapon, and ZAP whipping wouldn't recognize it even if it were.

 

EDIT 3:  The next update will add a broom as a beating weapon.  Ever think your owner is a witch?  An owner will be able to beat you with a broom.  Thank you to @Snakeybb for testing on SE.

Edited September 8, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[Særtr]

21 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Not without a workaround, but thank you for mentioning this problem.  I will make those settings always enabled in the next update.  Originally, their only use was for nudity.  The exception for Time to Relax came later, and I didn't think about accessing them earlier in the enslavement.

 

For now, you can place them with the console.

prid xx06039B (and C and D)

moveto player

 

Ok, thank you!

[Hex Bolt]

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

Suggestion section

Thank you for the suggestions.  I read through them all.  Many would require more scripting than I like to do (at some point, heavily scripted events become fragile), but I noted some ideas for events or new features for existing events.  Toe walking is especially nice, since it only needs invisible shoes.

 

On 9/5/2024 at 7:38 AM, Jim55 said:

Bonus points for having a list of NPCs in that town and them remembering what you did

The mod does track which NPCs saw Lola perform certain actions, and it has a favorability rating for NPCs with whom Lola has interacted.  Use of this is mostly limited to NPC dialog responses, but it could be used in other ways.

[Snakeybb]

On 9/7/2024 at 4:54 AM, Hex Bolt said:

Volunteer Requested

 

I'd like a player on SE to please download and test Mother's Broom, just the "Mother's Broom".  The mod says it works with SE.  I need to know if it looks okay swinging the broom in third person.  If you can, also please see if it works in a weapon display rack.

 

I've already verified on LE that an owner can beat you with a broom.  Ever think your owner is a witch?  This will be appropriate.

 

EDIT:  Implemented and tested now on LE, but I still need a tester for SE before I can release it.  Testing should take less than 5 minutes.  Install mod, note its load index, load a save, Player.EquipItem xx000800, see if it looks and swings okay, exit and uninstall mod.

It works fine (don't mind the activation message)

[Hex Bolt]

2 minutes ago, Snakeybb said:

[Broom test] It works fine (don't mind the activation message)

Thank you very much for the help!  A gold star for you.  🌟 

 

I'll delete my request now, so no one else will spend time testing it.  Thanks again!