Naked Defeat LE

[ShenGo]

31 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

hmm, are you on SE?
do you have the correct version of Zap Framework? (8 plus)?
 

I never had issues with individual furnitures, really weird. 

 

Skyrim RNG is spooky, I know, I also get stuff like that sometimes, but ppl say I m seeing ghosts. I on the other hand believe the random utility of skyrim is completly bonkers ^^

If this furniture is the only one failing for you, you could try to delete it in the ESP (using TES5edit). 

 

you can find it here (its in there three times for some reason, will fix that too in the future updates lol

just delete the three entires and you wont see that one again.

 

Dunno why this is happening tho, never occured to me ever.

 

 

Note: for future updates I plan to add toggles for all furnitures, but I m not sure yet if its worth the trouble  

edits like that can be done easy in tes5edit, so ppl can make patches with different furniture selections. 

 

Thank you so much for your help. I'm on LE. I'm not sure of my version of ZAP, I stupidly failed to name the folder I installed to (via MO2) with the version number, and it's been long enough now that I don't remember, lol. I'm looking into that now I wouldn't worry too much about toggles for the time being. Debug works at least, so that's always an option... Too few mods HAVE a so-called 'panic button' lol. 

[ShenGo]

I disabled my original ZAP folder, and installed a newly downloaded copy of ZAP 8.0. I read 8.0 has a lot more animations than 7.0, and my animation count was the same (the FNIS tool, as well as SLAL and SexLab's MCMs both have the same number of animations as they did in the previous game with my other ZAP install) so maybe I did have 8.0 all along?

 

Anyway, I tried this mod with the newly downloaded 8.0. i haven't gotten the device in question so far. But twice I instead got the one with her wrists and one ankle tied to a rope hanging from the ceiling. The first time, it said "prepare for some whipping", but after a couple minutes, the captor only continued to stand behind her and do nothing. Because the game was waiting for a whipping to start, she couldn't attempt to wiggle free.

 

I used the debug, and let the bandits kill her again. Got the wrists and one ankle tied to the rope again. This time it didn't give any message about whipping, and again, the wiggle hotkey isn't doing anything, including messages.

 

I'm wondering if I might have a conflict somewhere. I'll keep testing this and see if I can isolate the issue.

[Nymra]

7 minutes ago, ShenGo said:

I disabled my original ZAP folder, and installed a newly downloaded copy of ZAP 8.0. I read 8.0 has a lot more animations than 7.0, and my animation count was the same (the FNIS tool, as well as SLAL and SexLab's MCMs both have the same number of animations as they did in the previous game with my other ZAP install) so maybe I did have 8.0 all along?

 

 

Anyway, I tried this mod with the newly downloaded 8.0. i haven't gotten the device in question so far. But twice I instead got the one with her wrists and one ankle tied to a rope hanging from the ceiling. The first time, it said "prepare for some whipping", but after a couple minutes, the captor only continued to stand behind her and do nothing. Because the game was waiting for a whipping to start, she couldn't attempt to wiggle free.

 

I used the debug, and let the bandits kill her again. Got the wrists and one ankle tied to the rope again. This time it didn't give any message about whipping, and again, the wiggle hotkey isn't doing anything, including messages.

 

I'm wondering if I might have a conflict somewhere. I'll keep testing this and see if I can isolate the issue.

 

zap 8.0 is not zap 8.0+ (the + is important ^^)

 

in general whippers can get stuck sometimes. but after 15-20 seconds the mod should proceed in that case. with "Try to wiggle free".
before that message you can always manually proceed and skip whipping while pressing debug (after "prepare..." and before "try to...")

 

but in general is is a very unusual behaviour, hmm. 

if its an incompatible mod interfering, you would have to make a reduced mod loadout for testing and see if it works there. 

most common culcripts might be other mods that deal with whipping and furnitures or combat mods. 

 

as I said above, if you have a papyrus log I could have a log. I trace the mod quest stages, might give some ideas

 

in general make sure that your setup is perfect. there are guides in the opening posts for correct install of all the mods (conglomerate etc.)

also check if you have incompatible mods installed (Interactive BDSM for example). 

 

[ShenGo]

2 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

zap 8.0 is not zap 8.0+ (the + is important ^^)

 

in general whippers can get stuck sometimes. but after 15-20 seconds the mod should proceed in that case. with "Try to wiggle free".
before that message you can always manually proceed and skip whipping while pressing debug (after "prepare..." and before "try to...")

 

but in general is is a very unusual behaviour, hmm. 

if its an incompatible mod interfering, you would have to make a reduced mod loadout for testing and see if it works there. 

most common culcripts might be other mods that deal with whipping and furnitures or combat mods. 

 

as I said above, if you have a papyrus log I could have a log. I trace the mod quest stages, might give some ideas

 

in general make sure that your setup is perfect. there are guides in the opening posts for correct install of all the mods (conglomerate etc.)

also check if you have incompatible mods installed (Interactive BDSM for example). 

 

Sorry, yes, it's +, lol. The archive is called "ZaZ Animation Pack+ UUNP HDT V.8.0+"

 

I made a test profile (this and requirements only), so we'll see how it works. I did read through the OP and the only incompatible mod I had was Defeat, which wasn't enabled. I'll look through the conglomerate links when I have time. My setup has been very stable aside from issues when testing a NEW mod, such as this, so I didn't look at them yet. 

 

Edit: Also, I'll try to get a log when I get time too, if the testing setup also has problems... My Skyrim can be weird. Even with no mods my Papyrus log often gives warnings at least. Is that normal?

[ShenGo]

Okay, test profile. USLEEP, SL, SLAR, ZAP, DD, SOS, this mod, XPMSE, and a few utilities like FISS, Jcontainers, and UIExtensions that I always keep installed because so many mods require them...

 

I started a new game via testing cell, activated SL and this mod (with default settings), imported my SL settings. coc Riverwood, ran to Embershard Mine, and let the bandits kill her. SL scene played out fine, then she was bound to a device (I think it was the one that looks like a fence with stirrups, lol). I THINK it said "get ready for some whipping", but the guys wandered off and left her there for several minutes with no additional messages. Wiggle did nothing again, until I clicked the debug button, and she was allowed to wiggle free.

 

They took her down again, rape worked fine. Suspended her hands and feet from a rope or pole (viewpoint was from directly above, so it was hard to tell. This time no message about whipping (if I remember correctly), whipper just stood behind her and stared for a couple minutes. Had to hit the debug key, which allowed her to try to escape, but this failed 4 or 5 times until she got stuck eternally peeing, lol. Had to use debug key a second time, and she exited the device, but couldn't move and no combat happened. Debug key did nothing after that, had to quit the game.

 

Looking over the log, I think I forgot to add RaceMenu to this test game, so XPMSE complains about that... But in previous games, I did have RaceMenu, so I don't think that could cause these issues... Regardless, here's the log. I can't test anymore for a few hours, so I sorta rushed this.

Papyrus.0.log

[Nymra]

22 minutes ago, ShenGo said:

Okay, test profile. USLEEP, SL, SLAR, ZAP, DD, SOS, this mod, XPMSE, and a few utilities like FISS, Jcontainers, and UIExtensions that I always keep installed because so many mods require them...

 

I started a new game via testing cell, activated SL and this mod (with default settings), imported my SL settings. coc Riverwood, ran to Embershard Mine, and let the bandits kill her. SL scene played out fine, then she was bound to a device (I think it was the one that looks like a fence with stirrups, lol). I THINK it said "get ready for some whipping", but the guys wandered off and left her there for several minutes with no additional messages. Wiggle did nothing again, until I clicked the debug button, and she was allowed to wiggle free.

 

They took her down again, rape worked fine. Suspended her hands and feet from a rope or pole (viewpoint was from directly above, so it was hard to tell. This time no message about whipping (if I remember correctly), whipper just stood behind her and stared for a couple minutes. Had to hit the debug key, which allowed her to try to escape, but this failed 4 or 5 times until she got stuck eternally peeing, lol. Had to use debug key a second time, and she exited the device, but couldn't move and no combat happened. Debug key did nothing after that, had to quit the game.

 

Looking over the log, I think I forgot to add RaceMenu to this test game, so XPMSE complains about that... But in previous games, I did have RaceMenu, so I don't think that could cause these issues... Regardless, here's the log. I can't test anymore for a few hours, so I sorta rushed this.

Papyrus.0.log 279.36 kB · 1 download

 

 

hmmm this is really strange. 
Which version did you use for test? 2.6??

I noticed in 3.0 it can be missbehaving when there is NO follower around (have to add more checks lol, was so foccues on getting followers to work ^^)

 

other than that: i could not reproduce any of your issues and I m running out of ideas what could be wrong. 

there is a warning about missing interaction markers on furnitures, but at least for me that never did anything bad (whipping started nonetheless) 

 

You using DD 5.1? But that should not be an issue, all versions should work.

 

do you use a mod organizer? 

basically only Mod Organizer 2 can be trusted, all others.... cannot recommend. 

 

[ShenGo]

13 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

 

hmmm this is really strange. 
Which version did you use for test? 2.6??

I noticed in 3.0 it can be missbehaving when there is NO follower around (have to add more checks lol, was so foccues on getting followers to work ^^)

 

other than that: i could not reproduce any of your issues and I m running out of ideas what could be wrong. 

there is a warning about missing interaction markers on furnitures, but at least for me that never did anything bad (whipping started nonetheless) 

 

You using DD 5.1? But that should not be an issue, all versions should work.

 

do you use a mod organizer? 

basically only Mod Organizer 2 can be trusted, all others.... cannot recommend. 

 

Hmm... Actually, it looks like I'm still using 2.6. Maybe I'll try the updated one, see if it's better or worse LOL

 

As for DD, I actually just downloaded it today to make sure it was up to date alongside ZAP, but no, it's not 5.1... I initially went to DD Framework, and found the links to Assets, Integration, and Expansion in the opening post, then followed those links to download it. The version numbers I found, however, were "DDa-3.0e", "Devious Devices - Expansion 4.3a", and "Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a"... Did I go to the wrong places??

[ShenGo]

7 minutes ago, ShenGo said:

Hmm... Actually, it looks like I'm still using 2.6. Maybe I'll try the updated one, see if it's better or worse LOL

 

As for DD, I actually just downloaded it today to make sure it was up to date alongside ZAP, but no, it's not 5.1... I initially went to DD Framework, and found the links to Assets, Integration, and Expansion in the opening post, then followed those links to download it. The version numbers I found, however, were "DDa-3.0e", "Devious Devices - Expansion 4.3a", and "Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a"... Did I go to the wrong places??

Oh, also, yes, I always use MO2, lol. In fact, if it helps, maybe you can find a blatant mistake in my mod list/load order that I'm not aware of?

modlist.txt loadorder.txt

[Flavortaste]

Is there anyway to use this mod without the dlc since I don't own any of them. Maybe like a more older version of this mod or removal of something that needs the dlc.

[Nymra]

5 minutes ago, Flavortaste said:

Is there anyway to use this mod without the dlc since I don't own any of them. Maybe like a more older version of this mod or removal of something that needs the dlc.

 

no.

and it is also not planned, sorry.
DLCs should be a common thing to have these days. 

[Nymra]

42 minutes ago, ShenGo said:

Hmm... Actually, it looks like I'm still using 2.6. Maybe I'll try the updated one, see if it's better or worse LOL

 

As for DD, I actually just downloaded it today to make sure it was up to date alongside ZAP, but no, it's not 5.1... I initially went to DD Framework, and found the links to Assets, Integration, and Expansion in the opening post, then followed those links to download it. The version numbers I found, however, were "DDa-3.0e", "Devious Devices - Expansion 4.3a", and "Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a"... Did I go to the wrong places??

 

DD5 has a new thread. I think Devious Framework link is no longer updated. They keep the old versions around it seems this time (and I appreciated that alot). 
 

But I doubt DD has anything to do with it. 
SInce it is no requirement you could still go without DD. 

 

As for the modlist:
this is the only mod I dont know and dont have. But it is highly unlikely it is responsible. No other ideas here

+Register Custom Animation Events v02

Apart from maybe checking if sometime in the past something got into the Skyrim Data folder that messes with your game. 

[ShenGo]

11 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

DD5 has a new thread. I think Devious Framework link is no longer updated. They keep the old versions around it seems this time (and I appreciated that alot). 
 

But I doubt DD has anything to do with it. 
SInce it is no requirement you could still go without DD. 

 

As for the modlist:
this is the only mod I dont know and dont have. But it is highly unlikely it is responsible. No other ideas here

+Register Custom Animation Events v02

Apart from maybe checking if sometime in the past something got into the Skyrim Data folder that messes with your game. 

Yeah, that's one of those mods that I don't know exactly what it does, but other mods require it LOL. Thank you for the info in DD, and for doing your utmost to help me! I'll examine my install folder when I get a chance.

[nomkaz]

8 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

things you could do:

- all of the following: try on your running save and also (imporant, especially if it does not work) on a new game to verify.

 

- try if this occurs with SL Defeat not installed at all (clean save/new game)

- try to start sex with other mods (Sexlab Matchmakers for example or try to get sex scenes from other sex mods you have installed) -> very important to get a bigger picture

- try rebuild Sexlab (Clean System in its debug MCM)

- reinstall Sexlab completly 

- if not on SE: install sexlab utility plus, see if it fixes something (osmels mod tweaks)

 

seems to me like maybe some other mods interfere, either starting their own sex at the same time or maybe interupting sex animations.

you could send me the papyrus.log, but no guarantees I can see anything of intereset there.

 

since the problem seems to occur with other mods too, this most likely is a sexlab problem (or a incompatibility problem with a mod connected to sex in general).

 

 

 

Sexlab Utilities Plus has an SE version in the FOMOD installer so it's good for SE as well.

[bevo67]

Hi - love this mod... works very well and I look forward to your next update/improvement ... one thing I've noticed are these weird stretched textures (perhaps from blood.. Apropo2 or Enhanced Blood Blood Textures?) not asking for a fix, just wondering if you know what might be causing this or if you've seen this before.. thanks and keep up the good work.. this is the best defeat mod out there..

[ShenGo]

2 hours ago, bevo67 said:

Hi - love this mod... works very well and I look forward to your next update/improvement ... one thing I've noticed are these weird stretched textures (perhaps from blood.. Apropo2 or Enhanced Blood Blood Textures?) not asking for a fix, just wondering if you know what might be causing this or if you've seen this before.. thanks and keep up the good work.. this is the best defeat mod out there..

That is completely bizarre because I JUST noticed the same thing while testing this mod earlier today. I'd never seen it before, but they were so thin that I thought maybe it was just something I hadn't noticed before. I saw it both before and after my first scene with this mod in one of my tests, so I assume it's unrelated to this mod, but helluva coincidence that you and I both noticed it for the first time today while playing this mod.

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, bevo67 said:

Hi - love this mod... works very well and I look forward to your next update/improvement ... one thing I've noticed are these weird stretched textures (perhaps from blood.. Apropo2 or Enhanced Blood Blood Textures?) not asking for a fix, just wondering if you know what might be causing this or if you've seen this before.. thanks and keep up the good work.. this is the best defeat mod out there..

 

 

can you help me there? i have no idea what you mean. Meaning I dont see anything on the picture that fits your description. Feel free to give me a hint or upload a different screenshot?

anyways, thx for the flowers!

[ShenGo]

17 hours ago, Nymra said:

I noticed in 3.0 it can be missbehaving when there is NO follower around (have to add more checks lol, was so foccues on getting followers to work ^^)

 

I went looking for 3.0 (since it's not in the official downloads) and just realized it always targets followers, so I think I'll wait to try that one, lol. I only use male followers, and while I've done forced SL scenes with certain male characters I created, seeing ones designed by others getting raped makes me uncomfortable for some reason LOL

[Marauderrr]

On 5/12/2021 at 7:19 AM, Nymra said:

 

things you could do:

- all of the following: try on your running save and also (imporant, especially if it does not work) on a new game to verify.

 

- try if this occurs with SL Defeat not installed at all (clean save/new game)

- try to start sex with other mods (Sexlab Matchmakers for example or try to get sex scenes from other sex mods you have installed) -> very important to get a bigger picture

- try rebuild Sexlab (Clean System in its debug MCM)

- reinstall Sexlab completly 

- if not on SE: install sexlab utility plus, see if it fixes something (osmels mod tweaks)

 

seems to me like maybe some other mods interfere, either starting their own sex at the same time or maybe interupting sex animations.

you could send me the papyrus.log, but no guarantees I can see anything of intereset there.

 

since the problem seems to occur with other mods too, this most likely is a sexlab problem (or a incompatibility problem with a mod connected to sex in general).

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your suggestions, Nymra... and your time spent on this great mod. ☺️

Can't wait to see what comes next...

 

I'm running SE with ND and Defeat running together. Defeat's anims play fine, but with ND 3.0 they do not, they start then stop.

Other mods that start SL work fine as does 2.6. Wondering if there's an issue with load order changing or defeats anim filters getting in the way.

I usually have them all disabled. A new game had the same results, so maybe vortex changed load order?

 

I'll try checking LO and removing both , clean save and reinstalling.

 

 

17 hours ago, nomkaz said:

Sexlab Utilities Plus has an SE version in the FOMOD installer so it's good for SE as well.

 

I was unaware of the SE version... I'll check this out, thanks!

 

 

[bevo67]

16 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

can you help me there? i have no idea what you mean. Meaning I dont see anything on the picture that fits your description. Feel free to give me a hint or upload a different screenshot?

anyways, thx for the flowers!

I’ll try to get a better image - in the image posted there are black smudges that can be seen right (dark circular near PC head) and left - elongated running run from head diagonally downward away from PC) .. anyway, I’ll try to get a better image ..thanks! (You’re welcome for the flowers!)

[bevo67]

16 hours ago, ShenGo said:

That is completely bizarre because I JUST noticed the same thing while testing this mod earlier today. I'd never seen it before, but they were so thin that I thought maybe it was just something I hadn't noticed before. I saw it both before and after my first scene with this mod in one of my tests, so I assume it's unrelated to this mod, but helluva coincidence that you and I both noticed it for the first time today while playing this mod.

Do you have a better image of this?

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, Marauderrr said:

 

Thank you for your suggestions, Nymra... and your time spent on this great mod. ☺️

Can't wait to see what comes next...

 

I'm running SE with ND and Defeat running together. Defeat's anims play fine, but with ND 3.0 they do not, they start then stop.

Other mods that start SL work fine as does 2.6. Wondering if there's an issue with load order changing or defeats anim filters getting in the way.

I usually have them all disabled. A new game had the same results, so maybe vortex changed load order?

 

I'll try checking LO and removing both , clean save and reinstalling.

 

 

it is a script problem in 3.0 BETA 1.

Reason is I never tested it WITHOUT FOllower
so basically what happens here is that the follower sex starts and tries to steal the actors from the player scene. 

Basically do not use BETA 3.0 without followers at the moment. 

will be fixed in BETA2 which might be released tonight. 

[ShenGo]

1 hour ago, bevo67 said:

Do you have a better image of this?

I didn't end up taking a screenshot of it, but if I encounter it again, I'll try to get one

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, bevo67 said:

I’ll try to get a better image - in the image posted there are black smudges that can be seen right (dark circular near PC head) and left - elongated running run from head diagonally downward away from PC) .. anyway, I’ll try to get a better image ..thanks! (You’re welcome for the flowers!)

 

I really have no clue what it could be. 
Maybe some magic effect mod of some sort. 

 

[ShenGo]

19 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

I really have no clue what it could be. 
Maybe some magic effect mod of some sort. 

 

It seems to be blood decals somehow exploding (I had no Apropos tats when it happened to me, I had just run straight to embershard after starting a fresh game while testing this). She didn't even have any clothes on, just blood decals from their attacks.

 

It's strange, though, because how can something that's not a mesh behave like an exploding mesh?

[Nymra]

42 minutes ago, ShenGo said:

It seems to be blood decals somehow exploding (I had no Apropos tats when it happened to me, I had just run straight to embershard after starting a fresh game while testing this). She didn't even have any clothes on, just blood decals from their attacks.

 

It's strange, though, because how can something that's not a mesh behave like an exploding mesh?

 

maybe because it is applied to a mesh? but no idea, rally. 
I was just wild guessing maybe its the "puppet" actor that Spank that ass is using, but I dunno if you have that mod or if that thing can receive textures.

Other than that: it is clearly not connected to Naked Defeat.
But feel free to report if the stuff only happens while in Naked Defeat or in a furniture of this mod.