Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[coffeeink]

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5 hours ago, safado said:

 

Besides NPC faces, these meshes are the only ones that are added by Wartime:

• AO_BBucket_Fill1.nif
• AO_BBucket_Fill1_Stat.nif
• AO_BBucket_Fill2.nif
• AO_BBucket_Fill2_Stat.nif
• BucketEmptyStatic.nif
• carrot01.nif
• carrot01.xml
• carrot01GO.nif
• Doll.nif
• Doll_Stat.nif
• flute01.nif
• flute01GO.nif
• flute02.nif
• flute02GO.nif
• mead01.nif
• mead01GO.nif
• mead02.nif
• mead02GO.nif
• Mirror.nif
• PuddleSmallWhite.nif

Try, running Cathedral_Assets_Optimizer to process Wartime mod folder with mesh "Full optimization" enabled.  Disable all the BSA base options. Check the log for errors.

Deploy the mod folder with the changes and if the issue persist it is not a Wartime mesh issue. 

Do the original bed for the PC got replaced with the ZAZ torture bed with bedroll on top?  Maybe is a ZAZ mesh corruption.

 

Hm i do not think it's an asset issue.

No ZAZ stuff is currently not in place but if it would be an ZAZ mesh problem it would appear more often.

I redid CAO but it still is popping up

 

I found out that it's mostly always viewing angle in direction of "mothers room" and own room. to appear. The other vieewing angle looks safe.

 

Also none of this meshes is currently active except the doll.

 

I tend to think it's a ligthing/Shadow issue. (4 Lightsource issue or smth)

 

it's hard to show in screenshots but with glitching i mena rly freaking glitching with color changes etc. simetimes the black part is more red and green, and it's glitching on a high Frequency (not a static glitch)

It also getting bigger and smaler. it is realy glitchy

 

Maybe relevant => i play with ~>100 fps stable and Screenfixes ( => no Physic glitch) -> 100fps makes the script and story engine wy more smooth and a lot of scriptlaggy  mods tend to work way better.

 

[Iroha]

45 minutes ago, coffeeink said:

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Hm i do not think it's an asset issue.

No ZAZ stuff is currently not in place but if it would be an ZAZ mesh problem it would appear more often.

I redid CAO but it still is popping up

 

I found out that it's mostly always viewing angle in direction of "mothers room" and own room. to appear. The other vieewing angle looks safe.

 

Also none of this meshes is currently active except the doll.

 

I tend to think it's a ligthing/Shadow issue. (4 Lightsource issue or smth)

 

it's hard to show in screenshots but with glitching i mena rly freaking glitching with color changes etc. simetimes the black part is more red and green, and it's glitching on a high Frequency (not a static glitch)

It also getting bigger and smaler. it is realy glitchy

 

Maybe relevant => i play with ~>100 fps stable and Screenfixes ( => no Physic glitch) -> 100fps makes the script and story engine wy more smooth and a lot of scriptlaggy  mods tend to work way better.

 

try to install jaxons positioner.

after install conffigure it or left all by default. save.

1) open console and select closest lightsource to glitchpoint( start with candle on the table)

2) close console, hit NumEnter(default key), selected object will be highlighted. Delete object with configured positioner key (delete by default)

3) see if glitch is gone.

4) if not try to select and delete other lightsource.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Iroha

[coffeeink]

4 hours ago, Iroha said:

try to install jaxons positioner.

after install conffigure it or left all by default. save.

1) open console and select closest lightsource to glitchpoint( start with candle on the table)

2) close console, hit NumEnter(default key), selected object will be highlighted. Delete object with configured positioner key (delete by default)

3) see if glitch is gone.

4) if not try to select and delete other lightsource.

 

yes i forgot about Positioner. Perfect idea.

And rly the candles are the problem ... i delted them and glitches ar at least for the short test gone. Let's see on the long run.

 

 

[safado]

6 hours ago, coffeeink said:

 

yes i forgot about Positioner. Perfect idea.

And rly the candles are the problem ... i delted them and glitches ar at least for the short test gone. Let's see on the long run.

 

 

 

If it is the candles/light source, then it is likely a light replacement mod conflict, some high poly mesh replacement mods that also replace lanterns and candles could mess up the light records.  I have experienced weird effects if multiple light replacement mods get combined meshes and the metadata may not be compatible with each other, even with a bash and may need manual load positioning or manual patching.  It also happens with multiple NPC replacement, where the skin textures and the color templates do not match. 

 

Not related to the issue, but important;  Make sure Wartime plugin load after Alternate start(LAL) and your light mods, because one of the scenarios needs to change the ownership of a house cell(is minor change and not far from lore)  and mods that load after wartime can and will roll back the change.  Light mods tend to be at the end of the load list.

 

Specific cell entry: ChillfurrowFarm "Chillfurrow Farm" [CELL:00016204]

Needs the Ownership entry be : "ChillfurrowFarmFaction [FACT:0010DE9D]" instead of "Wilmuth "Wilmuth" [NPC_:0009CCD9]"

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by safado

[safado]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Thought I turned modesty off. Must be another function somewhere. Unfortunately my pc is out of commission atm. 

 

It is a minor issue. I just roll-play-it and undress manually.

 

Hope your PC issue is not the GPU.

?

Edited February 27, 2022 by safado

[manafalls]

How do you assign tasks to the Paradise Halls slaves?

[safado]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Thought I turned modesty off. Must be another function somewhere. Unfortunately my pc is out of commission atm. 

 

Tried the supply run again, and it fails to remove the equipped outfit.   Re-did it using a save before activating the door, and it was successful at removing the equipped outfit.   Latency maybe or a mod getting in the way. 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by safado

[tygct]

14 hours ago, coffeeink said:

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Hm i do not think it's an asset issue.

No ZAZ stuff is currently not in place but if it would be an ZAZ mesh problem it would appear more often.

I redid CAO but it still is popping up

 

I found out that it's mostly always viewing angle in direction of "mothers room" and own room. to appear. The other vieewing angle looks safe.

 

Also none of this meshes is currently active except the doll.

 

I tend to think it's a ligthing/Shadow issue. (4 Lightsource issue or smth)

 

it's hard to show in screenshots but with glitching i mena rly freaking glitching with color changes etc. simetimes the black part is more red and green, and it's glitching on a high Frequency (not a static glitch)

It also getting bigger and smaler. it is realy glitchy

 

Maybe relevant => i play with ~>100 fps stable and Screenfixes ( => no Physic glitch) -> 100fps makes the script and story engine wy more smooth and a lot of scriptlaggy  mods tend to work way better.

 

 

I had that problem too, in my case it was due to the cum meshes appearing after sex, those cum meshes stretching was a bad conversion, it seems that CAO (for some reason) did not the job for them, you can fix it easily using SSE NIF Optimizer, run it and let it convert the cum meshes to SE. If I remember correctly it was "PuddleSmallWhite", but just to be sure run the optimizer for all meshes.

Edited February 28, 2022 by tygct

[manafalls]

2 hours ago, tygct said:

 

I had that problem too, in my case it was due to the cum meshes appearing after sex, those cum meshes stretching was a bad conversion, it seems that CAO (for some reason) did not the job for them, you can fix it easily using SSE NIF Optimizer, run it and let it convert the cum meshes to SE. If I remember correctly it was "PuddleSmallWhite", but just to be sure run the optimizer for all meshes.

 

 

Safado posted an already fixed version here, if you want to save yourself the trouble:

 

 

[Monoman1]

16 hours ago, safado said:

 

Tried the supply run again, and it fails to remove the equipped outfit.   Re-did it using a save before activating the door, and it was successful at removing the equipped outfit.   Latency maybe or a mod getting in the way. 

 

 

I'll do another speed run. See what happens. 

20 hours ago, safado said:

Hope your PC issue is not the GPU.

No, thank Beelzebub's buttocks. 

Hate to be GPU shopping right now. At the rate things are going I'll probably be buried with my 2080. 

Stupid bitcoin.

19 hours ago, manafalls said:

How do you assign tasks to the Paradise Halls slaves?

You wait for Father to propose the idea then there should be a new dialog option under 'Father?' - 'I've brought you a new toy to play with'

The PAH slaves need to be equipped with a leash collar which is a good way of throttling the pace you can add slaves at. 

[safado]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Stupid bitcoin.

 

 

Not Bitcoin, it is Ethereum and the others.

Bitcoin needs custom hardware SOC, because GPU solution not efficient now.

 

Yeah, kind of same difference.  ?

 

[OlBenny]

Hihi!  Might there be a console command to advance the stage for Alternate Start?  I'm using 10.0 (LE), I've talked to the statue, she says "No one is safe in war" bit after I've selected "I'm a daughter [...]", but the quest doesn't complete to where I can then use the bed and be ported to the pchsWartimesHome.  When I select the bed, it comes back with "Sleep is the last thing on my mind".  I am on a brand new game, using the latest version of Alternate Start, Zaz, I have the Tes5EditMerged built, and 10.0 is loading after LAL in my load order.  For the sake of science, I did try 4.2 and it completed just fine to the next stage.

Additionally, the Cum Pools MCM isn't select-able for me, although it appears to be so.  Also, changing father's dick size in the MCM, after I change it, it goes back to zero after I go back to the MCM.

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, OlBenny said:

Hihi!  Might there be a console command to advance the stage for Alternate Start?  I'm using 10.0 (LE), I've talked to the statue, she says "No one is safe in war" bit after I've selected "I'm a daughter [...]", but the quest doesn't complete to where I can then use the bed and be ported to the pchsWartimesHome.  When I select the bed, it comes back with "Sleep is the last thing on my mind".  I am on a brand new game, using the latest version of Alternate Start, Zaz, I have the Tes5EditMerged built, and 10.0 is loading after LAL in my load order.  For the sake of science, I did try 4.2 and it completed just fine to the next stage.

Additionally, the Cum Pools MCM isn't select-able for me, although it appears to be so.  Also, changing father's dick size in the MCM, after I change it, it goes back to zero after I go back to the MCM.

Mmm. Try save and load in the AS cell. 

Or Try using the left for dead start then use the manual start button. 

Cum pools ill have to check. 

Schlong size is a bit wonky. The actor needs to be loaded. Might even have to be naked. Not sure.

 

[OlBenny]

Hi Monoman1!  Thank you so much for your reply.  I haven't tried the manual start from the Left for Dead scenario.  Indeed, I'll give that a go.  As for trying the save and load in the AS cell, I have done that, but to no avail.

 

EDIT:  Excellent, that worked in doing the Left for Dead scenario and manual start!  Thank you very much!

Edited March 1, 2022 by OlBenny

[Monoman1]

Think maybe it should cost gold to get mother back? Or some other gating factor...?

 

 

On 2/27/2022 at 4:55 AM, safado said:

 

@Monoman1

During the "Supply Run" quest/task first lewd run when "Father" remove clothing before kicking out of house, the "modesty" feature reequipped the clothes.

I think is the modesty feature, but I'm not sure.  Maybe doing the removal when the pc is out of the house could work.

 

Seems to work ok in my speed run test. 

  

12 hours ago, OlBenny said:

the Cum Pools MCM isn't select-able for me, although it appears to be so.

Takes longer to toggle than normal but toggles ok for me. (longer = probably running clean up routine when disabling).

Edited March 1, 2022 by Monoman1

[safado]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Seems to work ok in my speed run test. 

 

 

Ok.

Thanks, it is likely a third party mod then.

 

 

[audhol]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Think maybe it should cost gold to get mother back? Or some other gating factor...?

The amputator quest line seems to work fine as is, maybe a diferent option to being the breeding mare might be nice?

 

Daughter has to collect and trade to get various items (obviously some cum would be involved!) to make special potion once every x number of days instead of the soup?

 

Father forces daughter into prostition (could use sls begging) to pay for Ma's care as alternative to breeding mare?

 

Father chooses someone else to be his breeding mare if daughter refuses, new wife also becomes dominant "sister" to daughter?

 

Gettting mama back "whole" at 10k is less succsesful, what about if....?

 

Time based as long as daughter pays to keep the care going for x number of weeks?

 

Option to get Ma back for less money or time with "radical new cure" but she comes back as someone else, like new wife idea above?

 

When certain level of submision\depravity is reached Ma comes back by herself, she was in on the plan all along (possible Daughter was adopted from the start)?

 

Ma's doctors need a special amulet to cure her, various items and ingredients need to be found and then taken to x npc to craft the amulet, cue various adventures of the sticky kind to get whats needed to make the amulet?

 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 since you're back on the job (yay!) I have few suggestions:

1.) When ordered to be naked, all clothes should be removed from the inventory. Since father is checking PC's pockets anyway, this would make sense. Also the daughter shouldn't be allowed to have any other clothes than those father gave her in her possesion.

2.) I always found the inspection to be a little boring and not humiliating enough, so here's a suggestion: how about when the daughter is already required to pose, she would also have to undress for the inspection?
3.) This would be more of a hassle I assume (and you probably have some plans), but how about some tasks related to the smithy? Like being required to forge jewelry that father could sell. This would add some variety to the gameplay and allow to at least level up smithing.
4.) Devious Followers has a nice feature - the follower orders PC to wear jewelry that significantly decreases the stats. I've been thinking it would be nice if father did exactly the same thing to make daughter docile - murderous debuffs to all the magic and combat skills, making the daughter a harmless puppy.

Edited March 2, 2022 by kapibar

[safado]

@Monoman1

 

Minor issue 1:

During the party task, the cumslutQuest monitor do not exclude the "ingestible" potion FoodHoneyNutTreat "Honey Nut Treat" [ALCH:00064B38] from removal.

It gets removed multiple times during the party. 

 

Question:

Adding the item to Formlist pchsNoSwapForCumList [FLST:XX2A79A0] will exclude it from removal? But may be loophole for cheat...?

Maybe replace the "vanilla"  FoodHoneyNutTrea with a custom version that has no vendoritem keyword, but also no "nutrition" effects.  Just for the guest.

 

Minor issue 2:

During the Party task, the kickout-of-the-house scene triggered.  It did execute flawlessly, but cutoff the partytask. I forgot to check if the partytask was still active. Unfortunately, I reloaded a save and overwrote the one that recorded it, and now I'm unable to confirm if the pending task like the party were canceled or forced to fail. douuuh ??‍♂️

 

Thanks

 

Edited March 2, 2022 by safado

[MysticDaedra]

If I do not have any pregnancy mods but I do have MME, will I get Wartimes events related to MME, or do I also have to have one of the supported pregnancy mods?

[Alis_999]

Hm... i can't clean the new dirt after update, new dirt don't show the E button. How to turn off the dirt or clean with console or something?

Edited March 3, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, Alis_999 said:

Hm... i can't clean the new dirt after update, new dirt don't have a E button. How to turn off the dirt or clean with console or something?

The dirt was moved a few updates back to make it more accessible. If done mod game the activator moves but not the dirt. One was moved closer to the door. The other moved closer to mothers room. Hover around there and it should show up. 

15 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

If I do not have any pregnancy mods but I do have MME, will I get Wartimes events related to MME, or do I also have to have one of the supported pregnancy mods?

MME portion only fires after pregnancy. 

 

 

Good suggestions there folks but my suggestion involved adding one dialogue topic and a few conditions ?

What about a long lost twin sister so you can litteraly go fuck yourself.

[Alis_999]

56 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

The dirt was moved a few updates back to make it more accessible. If done mod game the activator moves but not the dirt. One was moved closer to the door. The other moved closer to mothers room. Hover around there and it should show up. 

Still no activators. Please, just say the Quest id and stage number for cleaning, because i open the mod in TESvEdit and find the dirt id, but can't find the quest and stage

Edited March 3, 2022 by Alis_999

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, Alis_999 said:

Still no activators. Please, just say the Quest id and stage number for cleaning, because i open the mod in TESvEdit and find the dirt id, but can't find the quest and stage

Global pchsDirtTimer controls the timing of the task. Set it higher than GameDaysPassed. 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I wanted to take a look at what you came up with and I feel the latest version is less robust than its predecessor. For instance some forcegreets are missing - two times I didn't get the forcegreet that I need to buy supplies. The info just appeared in the diary to get the gold and that was that. The other time I not only didn't get that forcegreet, but also father didn't initiate the dialogue for sex. For a first time the supply run is done naked, there's is no "through the door" conversation with father. Just the usual pop-up about the hood.

Also, while the beating punishment is self-explanatory, equipping deviced feels like a cursed loot or deviously enslaved event. The feature is nice, but there's no personal aspect to it, which I feel is a missed opportunity.