Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

14 minutes ago, kapibar said:

What? Don't tell me you didn't think of it

Well I don't have LBS. 

That reminds me. Must try LBS.

But not to cheat! ?

[Xiaron]

Is this intended or did I find a bug? After being given the collar, both wearing and not wearing the collar when speaking to him are rewarded.

 

Father is displeased I'm not wearing my collar (Fav +1, Sub +1)
Father smiles as he sees I wear his collar around my neck (Fav +1, Sub +1)

 

I'm guessing displeased was intended to be a minus not a plus? 

[Monoman1]

2 minutes ago, Xiaron said:

I'm guessing displeased was intended to be a minus not a plus? 

Ahhh. Yep. That's a whoopsie. Surprised nobody caught that by now. Bunch of collar wearing subs around here

Fixed now. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Monoman1

[bubba999]

Having a blast so far. One thing I would like to see is the extra jobs maybe show up in the journal? If you miss the notification you won't know what's available. (The hounds, Skulvar, Jazeem.)

 

 

(Went to see Jazeem, door unlocked his house and he keeps telling me "you're not supposed to be in here!")

Edited November 18, 2021 by bubba999

[bubba999]

55 minutes ago, kapibar said:

If you have LBS, there's an easily accessible source of income. Laura will tie you up for free. Now, the trick is to save the game before trying to struggle. If you fail - and you will - just reload the save and try again. It doesn't really eat up a lot of in-game time, end reselling bondage stuff will give you a steady income. As the WT progresses, you can whore yourself out (for roleplaying purpusoses I wouldn't do it in the beginning, as the character is rather prude).

Oh, she would never cheat! And to be a ho.... shocking!

 

Say, would Skooma Whore fit in well....?

[kapibar]

On 11/18/2021 at 8:55 PM, Monoman1 said:

Well I don't have LBS. 

That reminds me. Must try LBS.

But not to cheat! ?

You softie, that's not cheating. This is using one mod's mechanics against different mod's premise. Now this is cheating:

 

(spoiler, because this is gamebreaking)

Spoiler

Selling equipped devious devices. They can't be unequipped (sold), so the cash is tranferred to PC, but devices remain equipped. If you have 2+ devices you can sell them indefinitely until merchants cash has been drained empty. Can cause CTD.

 

Btw.: If you never played LBS, I strongly reccomend it. It's probably a little soft for your taste, but it's a very well thought-out and cute voluntary BDSM story. Lots of heart went into its development, and it can be felt. The story is still unfinished though.

  

On 11/18/2021 at 9:28 PM, bubba999 said:

Say, would Skooma Whore fit in well....?

I never played it, but from my understanding it is an addiction mod, and drugs - as I learned recently - are actually present in WT, so you can probably use father as a convenient drug dealer.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2021 by kapibar

[Xiaron]

Question about the party task. I left the task setting at the default 10, did 10 tasks while skipping all the dance requests and not wearing the collar I was told to and it ended on the 10th task with 10 satisfaction but  got "Father was very pleased with me (Fav +10, Dep +1 Sub +1)". Was that intended? Because it seems a little strange to get the max reward while not following instructions.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Xiaron said:

Question about the party task. I left the task setting at the default 10, did 10 tasks while skipping all the dance requests and not wearing the collar I was told to and it ended on the 10th task with 10 satisfaction but  got "Father was very pleased with me (Fav +10, Dep +1 Sub +1)". Was that intended? Because it seems a little strange to get the max reward while not following instructions.

The party is kind of an odd one. Needs more work. In a recent update I changed the number of jobs (was a hard 20. Now configurable) and added a formula to calculate the 'passing' grades. I also increased the points requirement but the formula is 'flat'. Which resulted in sometimes I wasn't ever able to get a passing score. Just because sometimes I was never asked to dance or sex (2/3 points). So I reduced the points requirement again. 

 

What needs to change really is that the passing grade is accumulated as you're asked to do tasks. So:

Asked to get drink - add one point for max grade. 

Asked to dance - add two points to max grade. 

Asked for sex - add three points etc.

And then at the end determine the passing grade. Instead it's done at the start. 

 

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

Selling equipped devious devices. They can't be unequipped (sold), so the cash is tranferred to PC, but devices remain equipped. If you have 2+ devices you can sell them indifferently until merchants cash has been drained empty. Can cause CTD.

?

Would have thought a mod that locks the menu by default would have protection against that. Scripting wise though I can see how that would be difficult (if not impossible tbh). Sometimes you just have to RP and exercise self control. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Monoman1

[AlphaAndOmega]

Hello. Is there a way to force a transition to a new outfit level without rolling dice with the forcegreet? The dice gods don't seem to be on my side.

 

On a slightly unrelated topic: is there a command to reset father's needs? I think they've broken somehow (no day off and yet there are no tasks for a whole day). I didn't see anything unusual apart from getting back from Solitude slightly after midnight, but I don't think that it's the problem.

 

Thanks in advance.

Edited November 18, 2021 by AlphaAndOmega

[Monoman1]

12 minutes ago, AlphaAndOmega said:

Hello. Is there a way to force a transition to a new outfit level without rolling dice with the forcegreet? The dice gods don't seem to be on my side.

I've had reports that I broke progression last update. These are the conditions for the dialogue. If you could check the variables using the console 'help' and report back I'd appreciate it. Snowed under here. 

 

24 minutes ago, AlphaAndOmega said:

On a slightly unrelated topic: is there a command to reset father's needs? I think they've broken somehow (no day off and yet there are no tasks for a whole day). I didn't see anything unusual apart from getting back from Solitude slightly after midnight, but I don't think that it's the problem.

Hmm. In the debug menu there's an option to display/clear the task suspend forms. Check it out and report back please on what form if any is suspending tasks. 

[kapibar]

Few thougths on the cumslut quest.

The addiction goes way to quickly IMO. In a single (!) day my PC was completely addicted. From a girl that spits out cum to sperm sucking slut in a day? Quite ridiculous, really. As are cum addiction debuffs, that from what I've seen are not configurable, so it's very easy to end up with no stamina and no magicka regen. I'm all for playing a weak character, but the stamina debuff just kills any chance of actually playing the game. WT creates an environment in which SLS wreaks havoc with the stats. I also have iNeed, which practically forces to swallow cum every hour or so in order to keep hunger/thirst in check. Maybe this is because I'm not used to playing this quest and there is more immersive (less crippling) way to manage this quest, but at this moment it  doesn't feel balanced. My character is completely addicted and hungry/thirsty all the time, with little to no way to actually satisfy those needs.

MM1 I hope you don't find this feedback offensive. I do not exclude the possibility that my decisions might've sped up things, but still it felt all to easy to fall this deep in such a short time.
 

Also, father requires a filled cumtainer, but he only gave it to me once. Is there a vendor from which I'm supposed to buy it, or should the father give it to PC at some point?

[Monoman1]

35 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Also, father requires a filled cumtainer, but he only gave it to me once. Is there a vendor from which I'm supposed to buy it, or should the father give it to PC at some point?

You should get as many containers as you need. May take into account how many are in your inventory and your end table. So that you're not hoarding. Alchemy merchants should have some. 

35 minutes ago, kapibar said:

The addiction goes way to quickly IMO. In a single (!) day my PC was completely addicted. From a girl that spits out cum to sperm sucking slut in a day? Quite ridiculous, really. As are cum addiction debuffs, that from what I've seen are not configurable, so it's very easy to end up with no stamina and no magicka regen. I'm all for playing a weak character, but the stamina debuff just kills any chance of actually playing the game. WT creates an environment in which SLS wreaks havoc with the stats. I also have iNeed, which practically forces to swallow cum every hour or so in order to keep hunger/thirst in check. Maybe this is because I'm not used to playing this quest and there is more immersive (less crippling) way to manage this quest, but at this moment it  doesn't feel balanced. My character is completely addicted and hungry/thirsty all the time, with little to no way to actually satisfy those needs.

Afraid this is something you'll have to balance out yourself mostly based on your own playstyle, game setup & RP. I've had other people tell me that addiction decays too quickly for them to get addicted. Factors:

Timescale - Higher = faster addiction decay. Less chance for you to be sucking dicks within the hour. 

iNeed food rate (I don't know is there such an option. I'd assume there is)

Addiction decay per hour in SLS. 

Hunger rate in SLS. 

Be mindful of the 'encourage bestiality' option. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Monoman1

[Xiaron]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I've had reports that I broke progression last update. These are the conditions for the dialogue. If you could check the variables using the console 'help' and report back I'd appreciate it. Snowed under here. 

I was wondering the same thing, I got the barmaid outfit and it's not progressed since then. Maybe I'm impatient or it's bad luck but the other jobs are moving along fine.

 

pchsRequiredOutfitLevel 0.00

pchsUngiftedOutfitsThisLevelCount 0.00

pchsOutfitChangeCooldown 5.81

GameDaysPassed 13.31

 

Hopefully those are the variables you were asking about?

 

(I actually had to create a BAT file to get those, I could not for the life of me type them into the console correctly. >.< )

Edited November 19, 2021 by Xiaron

[Xiaron]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

The party is kind of an odd one. Needs more work. In a recent update I changed the number of jobs (was a hard 20. Now configurable) and added a formula to calculate the 'passing' grades. I also increased the points requirement but the formula is 'flat'. Which resulted in sometimes I wasn't ever able to get a passing score. Just because sometimes I was never asked to dance or sex (2/3 points). So I reduced the points requirement again. 

 

What needs to change really is that the passing grade is accumulated as you're asked to do tasks. So:

Asked to get drink - add one point for max grade. 

Asked to dance - add two points to max grade. 

Asked for sex - add three points etc.

And then at the end determine the passing grade. Instead it's done at the start. 

Ah, so at least it's known oddness. Is there a number of jobs that can result in a fail? Right now if I finish it's with the best grade no matter how horribly it actually went.

[zinujeka]

Hello again,
I am using Spank That Ass  mod.
The mother constantly gets out of cage in order to slap PC on ass or tits and call him whore.
Can this be fixed or is it in line with the plot?

Edited November 19, 2021 by zinujeka

[kapibar]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

You should get as many containers as you need. May take into account how many are in your inventory and your end table. So that you're not hoarding. Alchemy merchants should have some.

Wow. That sounds cumplicated ? (sorry, couldn't help myself).

 

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Afraid this is something you'll have to balance out yourself mostly based on your own playstyle, game setup & RP. I've had other people tell me that addiction decays too quickly for them to get addicted.

I've been using SLS for a very long time and I suppose these other people are on to something. The first time I got addicted was while playing WT. Like I said - this mod creates a very hermetic environment with little to no downtime. There is no room for the addiction level to decay and the exposition is constant. This is the only mod (in my experience) that does this, that's why cum addiction doesn't play well with it.

Also, after thinking further I believe you should reconsider the cum hunger debuffs. They are brutal as fuck, among the most punitive I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of different mods. They are actually the most repressive debuffs in the entire SLS/WT set. Take a look at this issue from this perspective:
You are born a woman in a sexist world? OK, you are weaker, learn slower, your spells do less damage (all configurable). You are beaten to a bloody pulp by your own father. Literally stomped to the ground. OK, your stats take a blow, but you can still function. Your mother dies - that's sad - and you feel broken. But god forbid you don't drink a fuckton of sperm! Fuck you, no magic, no stamina, roam through a land like a zombie. It's rather ridiculous when you think about it.

And I get it, it's an addiction. It's supposed to break you. But it's a psychological addiction, and it's debuffs are fucking you up more than withdrawal from actual drugs.

_____

Another thing that came up yesterday - I'm actually quite levelled up, but repressing level increase. I figured more stamina might be useful (SLSO), so I unsealed my level. And surprise surprise, it's the courier, giving you - a nameless cum sponge - a letter from the Jarl, inviting you to buy a property. I know this is the game that presumes levelled adventurers are known in the world, but it murders immersion nonetheless. Would it be possible to stop couriers and Durak from appearing before you get kicked out of the house permanently? (I know, I know, you're busy and this is a minor detail, but one can hope...)

[audhol]

8 hours ago, kapibar said:

Few thougths on the cumslut quest.

The addiction goes way to quickly IMO. In a single (!) day my PC was completely addicted. From a girl that spits out cum to sperm sucking slut in a day? Quite ridiculous, really. As are cum addiction debuffs, that from what I've seen are not configurable, so it's very easy to end up with no stamina and no magicka regen. I'm all for playing a weak character, but the stamina debuff just kills any chance of actually playing the game. WT creates an environment in which SLS wreaks havoc with the stats. I also have iNeed, which practically forces to swallow cum every hour or so in order to keep hunger/thirst in check. Maybe this is because I'm not used to playing this quest and there is more immersive (less crippling) way to manage this quest, but at this moment it  doesn't feel balanced. My character is completely addicted and hungry/thirsty all the time, with little to no way to actually satisfy those needs.

 

Settings I use

INeed Hunger 3 Thirst 3

SLS Cum Addiction 0.2 untill stage 3 "Cum Addicted" then 0.1

SLS "Cum Food Value" Cum Provides 7 times food and 7 times water

FHU Min Time 2 hours max inflation 10

 

These settings provide a much slower progression as well as borowing any food and drink that happens to be left laying around and taking a sneaky drink at the stream and getting cleaned up anytime I pass by.

[kapibar]

2 hours ago, audhol said:

Settings I use

INeed Hunger 3 Thirst 3

SLS Cum Addiction 0.2 untill stage 3 "Cum Addicted" then 0.1

SLS "Cum Food Value" Cum Provides 7 times food and 7 times water

FHU Min Time 2 hours max inflation 10

 

These settings provide a much slower progression as well as borowing any food and drink that happens to be left laying around and taking a sneaky drink at the stream and getting cleaned up anytime I pass by.

Thanks for the tip. It's already a little bit too late for my character, though. She's already in deep.

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

And I get it, it's an addiction. It's supposed to break you. But it's a psychological addiction, and it's debuffs are fucking you up more than withdrawal from actual drugs.

So change it. It's one of the easiest modifications you can make to a mod. 

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2 hours ago, kapibar said:

Another thing that came up yesterday - I'm actually quite levelled up, but repressing level increase. I figured more stamina might be useful (SLSO), so I unsealed my level. And surprise surprise, it's the courier, giving you - a nameless cum sponge - a letter from the Jarl, inviting you to buy a property. I know this is the game that presumes levelled adventurers are known in the world, but it murders immersion nonetheless. Would it be possible to stop couriers and Durak from appearing before you get kicked out of the house permanently? (I know, I know, you're busy and this is a minor detail, but one can hope...)

Mmm. I dunno about that. Modifying anything vanilla is always risky. Might suit you but might break things for others. I'd rather leave it alone. 

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

So change it. It's one of the easiest modifications you can make to a mod. 

FormId: xx0984FF

Honestly, this would feel like cheating my way out of shit. Not gonna lie, I modified some mods for my own convenience, but this is one of the cores of my gameplay. If you see it as the best way to go about things - who the fuck am I to disagree?

And while we're at it - a suggestion - when father orders PC to be naked maybe he could take away all her clothes. After all he states that "soon everyone will see".

[Silvain]

13 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I've had reports that I broke progression last update. These are the conditions for the dialogue.

 

 

Dunno if it is "broken broken" but it is very slow. I played for a few hours and I just got my first outfit progression (have 4 levels). So it works but feels very slow.

[bubba999]

So, I got mother back, she's in the cage but not amputated. I have Amputator Beta .07. Not the right one? Can someone point me to the right one?

[kapibar]

4 minutes ago, bubba999 said:

So, I got mother back, she's in the cage but not amputated. I have Amputator Beta .07. Not the right one? Can someone point me to the right one?

 

[bubba999]

43 minutes ago, kapibar said:

 

That fixed it, thanks.

[AlphaAndOmega]

21 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

I've had reports that I broke progression last update. These are the conditions for the dialogue. If you could check the variables using the console 'help' and report back I'd appreciate it. Snowed under here. 

 

Hmm. In the debug menu there's an option to display/clear the task suspend forms. Check it out and report back please on what form if any is suspending tasks. 

Sorry, took me a while to get back. So:

1) I'm not sure if I did everything right, but here is the console output. I had to run the "sqv" command, right?

EDIT: I'd figured it out. Here:

pchsRequiredOutfitLevel==0.00

pchsUngiftedOutfitsThisLevelCount==0.00 (!)

pchsOutfitChangeCooldown==6.89

GameDaysPassed==10.63

 

 

2) The debug menu says that there are zero suspending forms. And I've remembered one more thing. I did the supply run before going to solitude. This means that I've complited a task while everything was suspended. Hope it helps.

 

The only thing I'm getting after waiting for 10 hours is 'The house is getting a bit untidy'.

ConSkrybe.log

 

Reverted to a save prior to the supply run thing and did it after returning from Solitude. Everything works fine now.

Edited November 19, 2021 by AlphaAndOmega