Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

21 hours ago, Cybersky said:

By the way father should only provide the curfew, bikini and whore license (doesn't make much sense for him to give you licenses that can be used against him as magic and weapons right?)

It might be more immersive from his point of view but from a gameplay point of view weapons are everywhere anyway. A lack of a weapon licence is not going to stop the PC finding a warhammer on a downed bandit and smashing father's head in while he's sleeping. Part of Father's power over the PC is his usefulness - providing licences/removing devices etc. Take away that usefulness and he loses some of his power. 

12 hours ago, ck2modfan said:

For exchanging Favor for licenses, perhaps it should add a certain amount of time? 2 hours? Also, maybe shouldn't be able to wake up father to get license. Only allowed during task hours? Worse (I mean better) only during business hours.

Would fit and have been meaning to add it. 

3 hours ago, zinujeka said:

Hi!

In the new playthrough, the father does not change PC clothes (). I changed the condition of nudity in MСM (normal, progression, 100 obedience, never) but without result.
Got a cheat to go from Stage 0 to Stage 1 (Tavern Clothes)?

Or is there another solution?

Seems to work ok on a new playthrough. 

There are very few conditions attached to the initial request to wear something anyway. 

pchsRequiredOutfitLevel == -1 (which is it's initial value anyway)

And favour >= 5

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Monoman1

[Monoman1]

On 11/11/2021 at 1:47 PM, Iroha said:

I really like your ahegao feature in SLS but can't get it to work correctly.

Difficult to diagnose anything to do with expressions. It's the wild west. Any mod can do anything at any point. There's no order or control. I'll take a look at it when I finish WT and get back to SLS. 

 

Part of the ahegao expression after sex is brute forcing the expression via continuous updates for a few seconds which is effective but really inefficient. Doing that during sex would be unwise I think as there's just too much going on. 

 

tldr: better expression control and priority systems are needed. There was an extension of mfg console here somewhere that went some of the way but still lacked something. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Monoman1

[Iroha]

30 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Difficult to diagnose anything to do with expressions. It's the wild west. Any mod can do anything at any point. There's no order or control. I'll take a look at it when I finish WT and get back to SLS. 

 

Part of the ahegao expression after sex is brute forcing the expression via continuous updates for a few seconds which is effective but really inefficient. Doing that during sex would be unwise I think as there's just too much going on. 

 

tldr: better expression control and priority systems are needed. There was an extension of mfg console here somewhere that went some of the way but still lacked something. 

Actually, got it fixed (ten mins ago) by altering SLU script a little. Posted details in Osmels SLU support thread.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Iroha

[Hpl55]

Wanted to suggest making father and mother unique npcs not respawns (at least i think thier ID says so) to customize them more. I think customizimg generics often leads to broken stuff.

[Monoman1]

Just now, Hpl55 said:

Wanted to suggest making father and mother unique npcs not respawns (at least i think thier ID says so) to customize them more. I think customizimg generics often leads to broken stuff.

They are unique.

[Hpl55]

11 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

They are unique.

Ok, thought id 8000000 means generic and that it might be why my mother npc has face discoloration on a new game.

[Iroha]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Difficult to diagnose anything to do with expressions. It's the wild west. Any mod can do anything at any point. There's no order or control.

tldr: better expression control and priority systems are needed. There was an extension of mfg console here somewhere that went some of the way but still lacked something. 

Yeah, just as is. As for framework, I think its not optimal to do it like mod with mcm wrapper-scripts, event and so on (slow in action and too much work to realise simple feature), the better will be dll-wrapper for mfgconsole, or even better, realisation of queques, priorities, logging, and storages in mfgcolsole.dll, but seems its devs are satisfied with everything.

Pity, that bethesda are not realising API to access such tasty functions like setting expressions directly with games:)

Edited November 12, 2021 by Iroha

[zinujeka]

Help please, I wanted to deal with my Wartimes. I thought to do it myself, but I can't.
I am using the following versions of the required:
Wartimes Tweak v8.7 (31-Oct-2021)
Amputator Framework Tweaked v1.6 (07-May-2021)
yps-ImmersiveFashion (6.2.1) - yps-Sound & TexturePack20200328 - yps-ImmersiveFashion Tweak BETA v2.4 (29-Oct-2021)
display-model-v206
Sexlab Survival 0.674 BETA (27-Oct-2021)

 

also

Spoiler

Hard requirements

Skyrim

SexLab 1.62

ZazAnimationPack 8+

Alternate Start - Live Another Life

Amputator Framework 

Sanguine Debauchery Enhanced (SDPlus20210731)

Sanguine’s Debauchery Cages (d2021.10.2)

Simple Slavery Plus Plus 

I'll Take The Display Model 

 

Soft requirements

SkyUI by schlangster

Devious Devices Expansion 

Beeing Female 

 

I ran into the following problems (I read that some should already be fixed, but not sure):

1. Father at the party takes away food and drinks for guests, due to "diet" (was this fixed in v8.7?) I successfully quickly give just food and drinks to guests close with a barrel, but with nord mead in ass I  can't make it - father faster ?

 

2. Ffather gives conflicting tasks.
For example: Delivery of groceries and immediately it throws into the basement. It doesn't look logical (although maybe he's doing it to scoff :)).
For example: Father says to get up for examination and at this time Aldo is suitable for sex (or vice versa, a sex scene with Aldo begins and father requires examination).

One time Father got angry and kicked PC out of the house during a party. A day later, when PC returned, the guests did not leave. Show must go on ?!
Etc.
Perhaps these are only problems of my game (not the most successful combination of mods). Or can you check for priorities of tasks (if it's not very difficult)?

 

3. When the father says PC: learns from mother, watching their sex - everything is OK, but when he demands self-satisfaction at the same time I can not find this function. In the menu for key "Y" it is not. Maybe I haven't installed some mod?

 

4. There is a problem of interaction with the Dwarven milking machine (MME). It doesn't work for me. I placed ordinary milking machine (like in the city) next to it . Much earlier I had a hard time getting my MME to work (Milk-Mod-Economy-Assets-LE-2019-06-04 / Milk-Mod-Economy-Scripts-20210209 / Milk Addict v0.53 (25-Mar-2019)), maybe this is just my problem, but it may be better to use standard milking machines)? (although Dwarven machine looks more interesting)

 

5. I don't see piercings or earrings. The mirror says that they are, but they are not displayed. How to fix it? Possible mod conflict (possibly Apropos?)

 

In conclusion, I want to thank the author of the mod and who helped him - great job!

 

PS: And such a moment for mod compatibility.
I have SexLab Approach Redux 2.02 installed.
After Father made PC walk at home naked, this mod does not work very well.
If rape by a dog is appropriate, then father's dialogues (he apologizes "sorry ma'am", gives the clothes) do not fit into the plot. Is it possible to turn Approach off in house? I think Approach  is very interesting and in demand.

Edited November 13, 2021 by zinujeka

[Monoman1]

45 minutes ago, zinujeka said:

also

These are nowhere near the soft/hard reqs

46 minutes ago, zinujeka said:

Ffather gives conflicting tasks

Yea. That can happen. You've just got to manage it. 

1 hour ago, zinujeka said:

. When the father says PC: learns from mother, watching their sex - everything is OK, but when he demands self-satisfaction at the same time I can not find this function. In the menu for key "Y" it is not. Maybe I haven't installed some mod?

Sure there's a message explaining. Sls - tease myself

1 hour ago, zinujeka said:

There is a problem of interaction with the Dwarven milking machine (MME). It doesn't work for me. I placed ordinary milking machine (like in the city) next to it . Much earlier I had a hard time getting my MME to work (Milk-Mod-Economy-Assets-LE-2019-06-04 / Milk-Mod-Economy-Scripts-20210209 / Milk Addict v0.53 (25-Mar-2019)), maybe this is just my problem, but it may be better to use standard milking machines)? (although Dwarven machine looks more interesting)

There's an optional add on when you install MME that you need. 

1 hour ago, zinujeka said:

don't see piercings or earrings. The mirror says that they are, but they are not displayed. How to fix it? Possible mod conflict (possibly Apropos?)

Slavetats

Race menu

NiOverride.ini

Face overlays enabled

Overlay slot availability

 

 

[safado]

1 hour ago, zinujeka said:

Help please, I wanted to deal with my Wartimes. I thought to do it myself, but I can't.
I am using the following versions of the required:
Wartimes Tweak v8.7 (31-Oct-2021)
Amputator Framework Tweaked v1.6 (07-May-2021)
yps-ImmersiveFashion (6.2.1) - yps-Sound & TexturePack20200328 - yps-ImmersiveFashion Tweak BETA v2.4 (29-Oct-2021)
display-model-v206
Sexlab Survival 0.674 BETA (27-Oct-2021)

 

also

  Reveal hidden contents

Hard requirements

Skyrim

SexLab 1.62

ZazAnimationPack 8+

Alternate Start - Live Another Life

Amputator Framework 

Sanguine Debauchery Enhanced (SDPlus20210731)

Sanguine’s Debauchery Cages (d2021.10.2)

Simple Slavery Plus Plus 

I'll Take The Display Model 

 

Soft requirements

SkyUI by schlangster

Devious Devices Expansion 

Beeing Female 

 

I ran into the following problems (I read that some should already be fixed, but not sure):

1. Father at the party takes away food and drinks for guests, due to "diet" (was this fixed in v8.7?) I successfully quickly give just food and drinks to guests close with a barrel, but with nord mead in ass I  can't make it - father faster ?

 

2. Ffather gives conflicting tasks.
For example: Delivery of groceries and immediately it throws into the basement. It doesn't look logical (although maybe he's doing it to scoff :)).
For example: Father says to get up for examination and at this time Aldo is suitable for sex (or vice versa, a sex scene with Aldo begins and father requires examination).

One time Father got angry and kicked PC out of the house during a party. A day later, when PC returned, the guests did not leave. Show must go on ?!
Etc.
Perhaps these are only problems of my game (not the most successful combination of mods). Or can you check for priorities of tasks (if it's not very difficult)?

 

3. When the father says PC: learns from mother, watching their sex - everything is OK, but when he demands self-satisfaction at the same time I can not find this function. In the menu for key "Y" it is not. Maybe I haven't installed some mod?

 

4. There is a problem of interaction with the Dwarven milking machine (MME). It doesn't work for me. I placed ordinary milking machine (like in the city) next to it . Much earlier I had a hard time getting my MME to work (Milk-Mod-Economy-Assets-LE-2019-06-04 / Milk-Mod-Economy-Scripts-20210209 / Milk Addict v0.53 (25-Mar-2019)), maybe this is just my problem, but it may be better to use standard milking machines)? (although Dwarven machine looks more interesting)

 

5. I don't see piercings or earrings. The mirror says that they are, but they are not displayed. How to fix it? Possible mod conflict (possibly Apropos?)

 

In conclusion, I want to thank the author of the mod and who helped him - great job!

 

 

1, 2

Do you also have the voice mod for Wartime called "(Gen 2.0) Wartimes Tweak v5.6 EVP"?

It is for old Wartimes 5.6 and the plugin breaks the changes to the NPC "father" programming in newer Wartimes.  Remove the plugin of that mod and try to reset going out of the house and back. Do not know if that works with already instanced NPC, if not try console "resurrect" on Father NPC or Start new game.  Thats the only mod I know will break Wartimes. 

 

3 Satisfaction is dialogue option "Can I help you relieve some... tension?". 

   Y key, needs UIExtensions mod for special wheel menu.  

 

4 MME is sensitive to overstressed running papyrus system.  Any milker from MME that give you MME's milk bottle will work.  The difference between the MME milker furniture added to the city and the one from Wartimes the type.  Wartimes uses the "Bound" version.  It will not let you out until milk "reserves" reach 0 and may force Lactacid ingestion, because of that it will take a while to stop milking and is better to use the city version.  

 

If you are using the modified milker from MME "Milkpump Collision Fix", the bound milkpump furniture is only selectable around the sides.  Move the "crosshair" cursor over it until you see instruction to use. 

 

5 I also do not see it but is recognized as pierced/soldered by YPS.  Is no big deal, I think is an issue with "Tattoo" textures but have not look into it yet.  I use SkyrimSE. 

 

 

[zinujeka]

Thank you very much

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

These are nowhere near the soft/hard reqs

But I read these requirements here:

I've included this list to make sure I have the latest versions. What is wrong with it?

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, safado said:

3 Satisfaction is dialogue option "Can I help you relieve some... tension?". 

   Y key, needs UIExtensions mod for special wheel menu.  

 

Yes, I have a UIExtensions mod. But in the wheel there is no choice to "tease myself." I can change my position, clean the room, have a menu of plug, etc. To "tease myself" - no.

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Sure there's a message explaining. Sls - tease myself

O! I didn't know SLS has its own menu wheel (key G default)! Many thanks!

I have not yet found in it a "tease myself" but I will figure it out now!!?

PS: Yes! I've found!

 

1 hour ago, safado said:

4 MME is sensitive to overstressed running papyrus system.  Any milker from MME that give you MME's milk bottle will work.  The difference between the MME milker furniture added to the city and the one from Wartimes the type.  Wartimes uses the "Bound" version.  It will not let you out until milk "reserves" reach 0 and may force Lactacid ingestion, because of that it will take a while to stop milking and is better to use the city version.  

 

If you are using the modified milker from MME "Milkpump Collision Fix", the bound milkpump furniture is only selectable around the sides.  Move the "crosshair" cursor over it until you see instruction to use. 

I use Milk Pump Selection: "All inclusive 5* milking barns by EinarrTheRed, not bound in towns, bound in orc strongholds, orc milk caves"

The PC goes into Dwemer milk pump. But no milking takes place. I checked that there is animation in the list, but the milking process does not start. ?

I lost hope of making it work for me ... Only normal milk pumps and camp milk pumps (installed) are running. The milk harness works, but it does not give milk.?

Where can I find Milk Pump Collision Fix? 

 

Possible conflicts are mentioned here (But this is not a wartime topic):

Might conflict with other mods that:

•  
• -add scripts to Dwemer devices from ZaZ Animation Pack (if you installed ZaZ patch).

Edited November 13, 2021 by zinujeka

[Monoman1]

9 minutes ago, zinujeka said:

What is wrong with it?

They've changed a lot. There's a list in the installer that's more accurate. 

[zinujeka]

50 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

They've changed a lot. There's a list in the installer that's more accurate. 

This is exactly what I wanted when I asked for help. I thought my problems were due to incomplete installation of required mods.
How can I see this list? (Forgive my stupidity).

[zinujeka]

I forgot to ask.
In early versions, the father took care of the unborn child. There was a dialogue at the party - don't get in the pussy, it could hurt the child.
Now there is no such thing, the PC is put under the horse. This is dangerous at the end of pregnancy.
Is this my bug or has this feature been abandoned?

[Iroha]

4 hours ago, zinujeka said:

I forgot to ask.
In early versions, the father took care of the unborn child. There was a dialogue at the party - don't get in the pussy, it could hurt the child.
Now there is no such thing, the PC is put under the horse. This is dangerous at the end of pregnancy.
Is this my bug or has this feature been abandoned?

That is more a bag than abandoned feature, just missed pchsPCPregnant conditions in these dialogues, I believe Monoman1 will fix that soon.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Iroha

[Monoman1]

5 hours ago, zinujeka said:

How can I see this list? (Forgive my stupidity).

Soft Dependencies. Wartimes links to the following mods in small or big ways:

Alternate Start

Alternate Perspective

Amputator Framework Tweaked

YPS Immersive Fashion Tweaked

Fertility Mode OR Beeing Female

Fill Her Up Baka edition

Devious Devices Expansion

Milk Mod Economy

Sexlab Survival

Spank That Ass

Paradise Halls

 

Optional/Recommended Mods:

''Time Passes' or 'Living Takes Time' to make tasks like cooking take time.

Bathing in Skyrim Tweaked

A mod that makes cum last longer - Maybe Sexlab Cum Overlays or just set SL cum timer to maximum will maybe do.

 

Hard Reqs:

Skyrim.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Dragonborn.esm

SexLab.esm

ZaZAnimationPack.esm

 

3 hours ago, zinujeka said:

Is this my bug or has this feature been abandoned?

It's not abandoned per se. Whatever was there before the tweak is still there. That's mostly around the party right? And I haven't modified the party much at all. Or implemented it in newer mechanics. You could just be a responsible mother and NOT fuck a horse

Just now, Iroha said:

That is more a bag than abandoned feature, just missed pchsPCPregnant conditions in these dialogues, I believe Monoman1 will fix that soon.

Mmm.....

[Iroha]

21 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Mmm.....

I can make a patch if you will integrate it with your edits.(I still don't know what you are developing now)

Edited November 13, 2021 by Iroha

[Monoman1]

Just now, Iroha said:

I can make a patch if you will integrate it with your edits.(I still don't know what you are developing now)

Don't mean to sound like an ass but I think you might underestimate the complexity. 

 

You can't just add PcPregnant == 0 condition to the horse vaginal dialogue because it'll break the dialogue under certain conditions. If the sex progression calls for horse vaginal and the pc is pregnant the dialogue will simply close because no conditions match. You'd have to duplicate dialogue blocks, figure out conditions that cover all circumstances and add duplicate scripts fragments if needed. 

 

AND conditions are easy to cover. OR conditions are where things start to get dicey. 

 

In a land of magic, dragons and being able to take 3 feet of horse schlong when not pregnant It just doesn't seem worth it for the complexity (and potential pitfalls and headaches) that's needed IMO.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Monoman1

[zinujeka]

 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Soft Dependencies. Wartimes links to the following mods in small or big ways:

Alternate Start

Alternate Perspective

Amputator Framework Tweaked

YPS Immersive Fashion Tweaked

Fertility Mode OR Beeing Female

Fill Her Up Baka edition

Devious Devices Expansion

Milk Mod Economy

Sexlab Survival

Spank That Ass

Paradise Halls

 

Optional/Recommended Mods:

''Time Passes' or 'Living Takes Time' to make tasks like cooking take time.

Bathing in Skyrim Tweaked

A mod that makes cum last longer - Maybe Sexlab Cum Overlays or just set SL cum timer to maximum will maybe do.

 

Hard Reqs:

Skyrim.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Dragonborn.esm

SexLab.esm

ZaZAnimationPack.esm

 

Very grateful! I've turned off Paradise Halls to reduce the load on pairus, but it turns out to be needed!
And I simply did not know about many mods.

 

19 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

1 hour ago, Iroha said:

I can make a patch if you will integrate it with your edits.(I still don't know what you are developing now)

Don't mean to sound like an ass but I think you might underestimate the complexity. 

 

You can't just add PcPregnant == 0 condition to the horse vaginal dialogue because it'll break the dialogue under certain conditions. If the sex progression calls for horse vaginal and the pc is pregnant the dialogue will simply close because no conditions match. You'd have to duplicate dialogue blocks, figure out conditions that cover all circumstances and add duplicate scripts fragments if needed. 

 

AND conditions are easy to cover. OR conditions are where things start to get dicey. 

I am very sorry to bring this up.
If it is difficult, then it is not necessary, of course, you can not agree to such a thing.
I just thought that in the last days of pregnancy, father could have been "softer". After all, he is interested in the child according to plot.

I also wanted to know how to give birth to a child? Soul Gem, Inventory Item or Child (BFA - BeeingFemale Addon for RSChildren)?

By the way, In future you can add a condition so that plot depends on the gender of child - father needs a boy.

Edited November 13, 2021 by zinujeka

[Iroha]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Don't mean to sound like an ass but I think you might underestimate the complexity. 

 

You can't just add PcPregnant == 0 condition to the horse vaginal dialogue because it'll break the dialogue under certain conditions. If the sex progression calls for horse vaginal and the pc is pregnant the dialogue will simply close because no conditions match. You'd have to duplicate dialogue blocks, figure out conditions that cover all circumstances and add duplicate scripts fragments if needed. 

 

AND conditions are easy to cover. OR conditions are where things start to get dicey. 

 

In a land of magic, dragons and being able to take 3 feet of horse schlong when not pregnant It just doesn't seem worth it for the complexity (and potential pitfalls and headaches) that's needed IMO.

I understand that, and not afraid of creating new DiagTopics(and/or response topics), actually, already doing it. But I'm doing it in tes5edit, since i can't get myself friendly with creation kit. That means patch will lack dialogue views and will contain only changed and new topics and responses - this will require a little trick to make sccesful integration in pchswartimes.esp - I will help in case of need.

 

Oops, to evade editing of pchswartimesApology.pcs I will have to skip PushCreatureBoundary stages (will do no harm if you not modified it from latest public by changing bestiality progression mechanic).

Nevemind, I going to do the the trick with no changes of scripts at all. Just will require more responces

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Iroha

[zinujeka]

Hi,
when the father locks the PC in the basement, he takes things away. Together with other things, he takes the slave collar. Is it possible to leave it better? As well as slave boots that he leaves.

 

After all the adventures of delivering groceries and serving your father, do you think a naked PC can become an exhibitionist?

Edited November 14, 2021 by zinujeka

[carolight]

SLS confiscates your fathers collar as a magic item, I need to add it to SLS exeptions list to work around this.

This happen to me when I visit Solitude?

[Iroha]

Made a patch for pregnancy in 8.7. Should not break anything and can be disabled anytime. Testing appreciated.

 

What it does:

+ father should not force character in vaginal scenes with Aldo or Brutus if he knows that character is pregnant. Instead he will force character to anal stages if bestiality progression is sufficient (was high enought for vaginal scenes).

+ character now have options to tell party-guests about pregnancy

 

 

28 minutes ago, carolight said:

SLS confiscates your fathers collar as a magic item, I need to add it to SLS exeptions list to work around this.

This happen to me when I visit Solitude?

I thought collar just got replaced(destroyed) on putting cursed collar if character doesnot have magic licence.

 

pchsWartimes pregnancy patch.esp

Edited November 14, 2021 by Iroha

[carolight]

1 hour ago, Iroha said:

I thought collar just got replaced(destroyed) on putting cursed collar if character doesnot have magic licence.

 

In SLS, I use Collars come with tats option & disable curse items, so I dont have to wear a collar just tats in SLS for no magic licence.

[Iroha]

25 minutes ago, carolight said:

 

In SLS, I use Collars come with tats option & disable curse items, so I dont have to wear a collar just tats in SLS for no magic licence.

Oh, then adding item to licenceexceptions.json really might help. Like this if LE:

Spoiler

{
    "formList" :
    {
        "licenceexceptions" : [ "26966|Hunterborn.esp", "266301|Campfire.esm", "180832|Campfire.esm", "20491|ZaZAnimationPack.esm" ]
    }
}

 

For me zbfCollarLeatherBinds "zbf Collar Leather Binds" doen't have magic effects, but has object effect zbfMagicEffectBondage "Bondage" [MGEF:XX008A24]. Can't tell if SLS takes it cause of object effect - I'm with  magic license always.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Iroha