Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[ck2modfan]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Any thoughts on how better to reconcile wartimes with: 

 

1. Sanguines debauchery slavery. Means you'll possibly be gone a long time. Perhaps tasks should be suspended. Maybe when you get back you get "Father is pissed I was gone so long" - Single favour loss event. I'm finding I'm not allowing myself to be defeated because I know it'll mess things up. So I'm save scumming more. 

 

2. Devious followers + SLS escort requirement. Outside of whiterun you'll need an escort which limits how far you can explore. I wouldn't mind letting DF have it's way with you but:

• DF on it's own is a serious gold sink. Wartimes + DF probably = impossible. I guess Father could simply further supplement you (where's he getting all this gold)...
• Devious devices conflict pretty badly with YPS IF. IF has loads of little checks and conditions. It may be possible to do but would take either adding checks that allow messed up makeup/fashion with certain DDs to wartimes (there are already some) OR changing YPS IF to just allow makeup/stockings whenever. 

Once father no longer simply allows you time off in exchange of favor and plays game of who cums first with sensitivity potion, exploring in general becomes really difficult. Also, at this stage the number of demands (tension, food, water, cleaning, aldo, etc...) is so time consuming with limited duration between cycles that it leaves little time for exploring. I find trying to get out situation becomes top priority rather than going along (maybe that is the intent). 

 

The integration originally with SLS with YPS was worth adding YPS to load order. WT makes YPS even better. Would never use much of the features if not for WT. There is enough DD mods and opportunities for trouble later. Would like to see as much of YPS to stay.

[kapibar]

8 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Any thoughts on how better to reconcile wartimes with: 

 

1. Sanguines debauchery slavery. Means you'll possibly be gone a long time. Perhaps tasks should be suspended. Maybe when you get back you get "Father is pissed I was gone so long" - Single favour loss event. I'm finding I'm not allowing myself to be defeated because I know it'll mess things up. So I'm save scumming more. 

 

2. Devious followers + SLS escort requirement. Outside of whiterun you'll need an escort which limits how far you can explore. I wouldn't mind letting DF have it's way with you but:

• DF on it's own is a serious gold sink. Wartimes + DF probably = impossible. I guess Father could simply further supplement you (where's he getting all this gold)...
• Devious devices conflict pretty badly with YPS IF. IF has loads of little checks and conditions. It may be possible to do but would take either adding checks that allow messed up makeup/fashion with certain DDs to wartimes (there are already some) OR changing YPS IF to just allow makeup/stockings whenever. 

I have to agree with @ck2modfan, Wartimes is just a bad match for adventuring, and combining it with exploration IMO breaks the immersion. WT is brilliant as a starting mod and I think it should stay this way - an introduction to a brutal, sexist Skyrim that offers things that no other mod does. There are mods that already merge adventuring and humiliation (DF, Submissive Lola), combining those with WT does a great disservice to one or the other, as it is hard to jump between different submissive scenarios and mechanics. For me the gameplay would become too messy and overly involving and even if I tried to blend WT with adventuring and other mods, I would personally quickly drop either WT or exploration, as both of them would require far too much attention. I think I understand what you have in mind - you want WT to become a nexus for adventuring, with father being the only available merchant, etc., but honestly at some point I would decide to kill the fucker anyway and just grind through the debuffs. It would be far less troublesome to go around those than the alternative.

In my personal opinion Wartimes is kinda like a dune buggy. It's brilliant and fun, but I wouldn't want to use it as a daily car, for it would suck out the fun aspect and make a torture out of normal tasks.

Edited November 3, 2021 by kapibar

[Balgin]

10 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Any thoughts on how better to reconcile wartimes with: 

 

1. Sanguines debauchery slavery. Means you'll possibly be gone a long time. Perhaps tasks should be suspended. Maybe when you get back you get "Father is pissed I was gone so long" - Single favour loss event. I'm finding I'm not allowing myself to be defeated because I know it'll mess things up. So I'm save scumming more. 

 

2. Devious followers + SLS escort requirement. Outside of whiterun you'll need an escort which limits how far you can explore. I wouldn't mind letting DF have it's way with you but:

• DF on it's own is a serious gold sink. Wartimes + DF probably = impossible. I guess Father could simply further supplement you (where's he getting all this gold)...
• Devious devices conflict pretty badly with YPS IF. IF has loads of little checks and conditions. It may be possible to do but would take either adding checks that allow messed up makeup/fashion with certain DDs to wartimes (there are already some) OR changing YPS IF to just allow makeup/stockings whenever. 

I honestly use YPS more than I use wartimes so I'd prefer to see the YPS tweak remain compatible without breaking or removing too many features as it does currently improve on some of the mod's features.

[Hpl55]

Any idea what could conflict and ctd when by now i try to go near home? I took a week off after a bit of the party, elswhere rather stable, whiterun area problematic now.

i was wondering whatbscripts of WT and SLS are very intense on my game. Allready dialed many down. Wear and tear /slavetats on npcs (mother) a problem?

[hexenhaus]

On 11/4/2021 at 5:00 PM, Hpl55 said:

Any idea what could conflict and ctd when by now i try to go near home? I took a week off after a bit of the party, elswhere rather stable, whiterun area problematic now.

i was wondering whatbscripts of WT and SLS are very intense on my game. Allready dialed many down. Wear and tear /slavetats on npcs (mother) a problem?

If you use bodylide to fit your bodies and armors then maybe some broken armor or clothing mesh. Try recreating your bodies, clothes and armors (at least the ones that might be present near Whiterun). One time my crashed everytime I got near Whiterun but was otherwise perfectly stable. Took me hours to find a solution and in the end it was Aelas armor mesh which crashed my game (companions introductory giant scene in the fields). So I redid all my armors and no more crash,

[Hpl55]

Havent got around actutally using bodyslide, it just sits in my mod manager. The giant scene yes, i think its allready happened. Whiterun forest probably is heavy and/or some weird npcs. Death consumes all adds many. I allready killed creatures franework, thought it might be the issue. Nope

[iskander3825]

Hi guys.  I have a question.  Father requires my character to take a pose for inspection. How to do it?
And tell me, mom is in a cage, what to do next?

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, iskander3825 said:

Hi guys.  I have a question.  Father requires my character to take a pose for inspection. How to do it?
And tell me, mom is in a cage, what to do next?

Press "y" to activate wheel menu. Then you select the pose. As for mother - you can buy nourishing soup from father, then feed her via dialogue.

[iskander3825]

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

Press "y" to activate wheel menu. Then you select the pose. As for mother - you can buy nourishing soup from father, then feed her via dialogue.

Thank you. It's work. And another question. 

What about end of this story?

I can kill father, but it's boring. 

Is this story have another bad or good ending? 

[fred200]

With the most recent SE version - I have lost control of cum. No cum entry on the Misc wheel, no way to gather cum or drink it. No way to fill a cum-tainer.

Father is not real happy...

Any ideas?

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, iskander3825 said:

What about end of this story?

I can kill father, but it's boring. 

Is this story have another bad or good ending? 

The ending part is still not fully developed. Keep in mind that the mod is still work in progress. There are however ways in which you can get out of this mod. There are two ending segments at the moment - when the PC gives birth to father's child, she can refuse giving it up, so the father will sell her to the Simple Slavery. The other - more obvious way - is becoming the slave wife. Father will force you to starve the mother, and you'll become slave for life. There are two ways in which you can end it - kill the father (which you already know), or start to fuck up tasks. Lowering favor score to -10 will force father to kick you out, while placing the bounty on your head. After some time he will allow you to come back. Then you'll have another shot at redeeming yourself as a slave. Or you can continue fucking up. Then he'll kick you out for good. These are the options for now at least.

[safado]

57 minutes ago, kapibar said:

The ending part is still not fully developed. Keep in mind that the mod is still work in progress. There are however ways in which you can get out of this mod. There are two ending segments at the moment - when the PC gives birth to father's child, she can refuse giving it up, so the father will sell her to the Simple Slavery. The other - more obvious way - is becoming the slave wife. Father will force you to starve the mother, and you'll become slave for life. There are two ways in which you can end it - kill the father (which you already know), or start to fuck up tasks. Lowering favor score to -10 will force father to kick you out, while placing the bounty on your head. After some time he will allow you to come back. Then you'll have another shot at redeeming yourself as a slave. Or you can continue fucking up. Then he'll kick you out for good. These are the options for now at least.

 

The other "end" you did not mentions is following "mothers" advise and escape to "uncles" near Riften?  I think is still there too. 

It could end...

Spoiler

with Sanguine's Debauchery Enhanced slavery event to Master "Uncle". 

No SD+ no slavery. Still WarTimes ends.

You can try be a good slave and maybe be granted freedom, escape, kill master yourself or travel to an enemy NPC that kill him while you hide/escape. If the enemy NPC gets you.... Rinse-repeat.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by safado

[kapibar]

34 minutes ago, safado said:

 

The other "end" you did not mentions is following "mothers" advise and escape to "uncles" near Riften?  I think is still there too. 

It could end...

But it is only doable during the early stages of the game, before mother has been locked and crippled. I assume iskander3825 is further than that in his gameplay.

Edited November 8, 2021 by kapibar

[iskander3825]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

The ending part is still not fully developed. Keep in mind that the mod is still work in progress. There are however ways in which you can get out of this mod. There are two ending segments at the moment - when the PC gives birth to father's child, she can refuse giving it up, so the father will sell her to the Simple Slavery. The other - more obvious way - is becoming the slave wife. Father will force you to starve the mother, and you'll become slave for life. There are two ways in which you can end it - kill the father (which you already know), or start to fuck up tasks. Lowering favor score to -10 will force father to kick you out, while placing the bounty on your head. After some time he will allow you to come back. Then you'll have another shot at redeeming yourself as a slave. Or you can continue fucking up. Then he'll kick you out for good. These are the options for now at least.

Thank you. Sound good. As for me, best  decision for this mod it's merge with Slaverun reloaded. This is very logical. 

Father  can decide sell PC for the this mod slavers. 

[iskander3825]

2 minutes ago, kapibar said:

But it is only doable during the early stages of the game, before mother has been locked and crippled. I assume iskander3825 is further than that in his gameplay.

You right, it's too late for my PC. 

[kapibar]

16 minutes ago, iskander3825 said:

Thank you. Sound good. As for me, best  decision for this mod it's merge with Slaverun reloaded. This is very logical. 

Father  can decide sell PC for the this mod slavers. 

For seamless transition to Slaverun I'd suggest refusing to give up the baby -> Simple Slavery with only Slaverun option checked -> there you go.

[iskander3825]

14 minutes ago, kapibar said:

For seamless transition to Slaverun I'd suggest refusing to give up the baby -> Simple Slavery with only Slaverun option checked -> there you go.

Yeah, but it's strange. When your PC have a baby she, 100%, horny bitch, and she have a lot of sex experience, but it's no matter for Bellamy and another bastards, Slave still need make basic sex training. I mean part after first certification, not scene near the gate.

Edited November 8, 2021 by iskander3825

[kapibar]

46 minutes ago, iskander3825 said:

Yeah, but it's strange. When your PC have a baby she, 100%, horny bitch, and she have a lot of sex experience, but it's no matter for Bellamy and another bastards, Slave still need make basic sex training. I mean part after first certification, not scene near the gate.

Agreed, this part of Slaverun always pissed me off. This, and the part with Balgruuf saying PC is a worthless fuck. Yeah, right.

Overall, Slaverun has an intresting premise, but it's barely stable, outdated, has a shitload of boring elements and some parts that barely make any sense, like being sentenced to be cooked alive. This mod could really use an overhaul, from what I know there are two under development, but both of them are for the SE version, which is a bummer. Usually LE mods are quickly converted to SE, not so much the other way around.

[iskander3825]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

Agreed, this part of Slaverun always pissed me off. This, and the part with Balgruuf saying PC is a worthless fuck. Yeah, right.

Overall, Slaverun has an intresting premise, but it's barely stable, outdated, has a shitload of boring elements and some parts that barely make any sense, like being sentenced to be cooked alive. This mod could really use an overhaul, from what I know there are two under development, but both of them are for the SE version, which is a bummer. Usually LE mods are quickly converted to SE, not so much the other way around.

Agree about Slaverun. Last party real very stupid. 

Well see about new version. May be it will be one of the reason to change LE to SE 

?

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 don't know if it's just me, but for whatever reason the outfit progression forcegreet does not initiate. It was working fine before the update. Json file is OK.

Edit: Yup, something's fucky with v8.7. Downgraded to 8.6 and the forcegreet worked like a charm.

Also:
 

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Devious piercings are an OK replacement for IF piercings during routine checkups. Don't forget to put your IF piercings back in if/when you unlock your devious piercings. 

Nope. Got minus favor after trading IF piercings for devious.

Edited November 8, 2021 by kapibar

[fred200]

SE latest update

Actually - I could live with my lack of cum control - if I could just get this dumb bucket off my head.

 

It is not recognized as WT mask. Nude results in loss of respect.

 

I have tried removing it through the console - it comes right back.

I have tried dropping it - it comes back. One on me - one on the ground.

I have tried using the DD MCM to remove gear. It comes right back.

 

This is worse than the Ghost of Christmas Past...

[ck2modfan]

1 hour ago, fred200 said:

SE latest update

Actually - I could live with my lack of cum control - if I could just get this dumb bucket off my head.

 

It is not recognized as WT mask. Nude results in loss of respect.

 

I have tried removing it through the console - it comes right back.

I have tried dropping it - it comes back. One on me - one on the ground.

I have tried using the DD MCM to remove gear. It comes right back.

 

This is worse than the Ghost of Christmas Past...

On SE, had similar issue with mask. Later with plugs.

[Monoman1]

19 hours ago, fred200 said:

With the most recent SE version - I have lost control of cum. No cum entry on the Misc wheel, no way to gather cum or drink it. No way to fill a cum-tainer.

Father is not real happy...

Any ideas?

1. Use SLSs wheel. Not WT.

2. Cum controls aren't in the Misc section of any wheel.

5 hours ago, fred200 said:

It is not recognized as WT mask. Nude results in loss of respect.

People with SE need to figure this out. It's unlikely to be anything to do with WT because:

1. It has always worked fine for me. 

2. WT doesn't do anything special. Equip item. Remove item. 

3. The hood is a DEVIOUS DEVICES item. Not a wartimes item.

4. Only SE people seem to have any problem.

 

Add one to your inventory manually on a new game and equip it. If it still doesn't behave properly then it's something to bring up the DD thread. Not here. 

 

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

don't know if it's just me, but for whatever reason the outfit progression forcegreet does not initiate. It was working fine before the update.

You mean going from one level to the next level up? I'll have to look at it. I'm at max (naked disabled) and I've been getting a new outfit every other day.

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

Downgraded to 8.6 and the forcegreet worked like a charm.

Mmm yea. I hope you went back to a save before upgrading. There's no downgrading this mod (or I'd imagine 99.999% of mods) as there are zero provisions for it in the scripts...

5 hours ago, kapibar said:

Nope. Got minus favor after trading IF piercings for devious.

I assume you mean devious for IF piercings. 

Been working just fine for me as I've been slapped with nip piercings several times now. Haven't had clit piercing though. 

On 11/4/2021 at 4:00 PM, Hpl55 said:

Any idea what could conflict and ctd when by now i try to go near home? I took a week off after a bit of the party, elswhere rather stable, whiterun area problematic now.

i was wondering whatbscripts of WT and SLS are very intense on my game. Allready dialed many down. Wear and tear /slavetats on npcs (mother) a problem?

No idea. If it's a hard crash then it's a simple case of disabling mods until you find the culprit. 

 

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, ck2modfan said:

On SE, had similar issue with mask. Later with plugs.

Devious plugs or the plugs that come with wartimes (carrot, mead etc)?

If devious then is there some issues going on with DD SE that I'm not aware of (wouldn't be hard for me not to know).

[ck2modfan]

16 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Devious plugs or the plugs that come with wartimes (carrot, mead etc)?

If devious then is there some issues going on with DD SE that I'm not aware of (wouldn't be hard for me not to know).

Something going on with DD SE. Not the carrot, mead, etc.

 

Heard that Unrestricted Enchantments Remake has issue with DD 5.x. Removing and starting new game.